On 2025-11-19 21:19:50, user Daniel Vásquez-Restrepo wrote:
This preprint already received a “major revision” decision. Unfortunately, the original reviewers were not available to evaluate it again, and the process stalled. Despite sending 15 additional peer-review invitations, no one agreed to take it on. Although the manuscript has now entered a new review process, I am attaching the previous reviewers’ comments.
Reviewer 1
This isn’t a finding as not only is it already available information, the use of the available IUCN maps and statuses was part of the methodology.
R/ We rephrased the sentence to clarify that it refers to the underlying data itself and not to our results.
I like the approach they’ve taken, but none of this is novel information or unexpected.
R/ Although it is well known that mountains promote diversity and endemism at a global macroevolutionary scale, this information has not been explicitly tested in Colombian squamates in conjunction with threat categories. We consider that clearly stating the result of hotspots of diversity and endemism in Colombian squamates can help local environmental policies. Therefore, while our results are consistent with theoretical expectations, this alignment does not diminish the novelty of our findings, as we provide the first quantitative analysis supporting these patterns in the local context.
This is the main novel finding of the work and I’d recommend reorganising the text to stress this.
R/ We modified several sections of the text to emphasize the finding highlighted by the reviewer, also in accordance with comments made by the other reviewer.
Unclear what this means in the context of this paper.<br />
R/ We rephrased the section for clarity.
This is just the existing EDGE list, so I’m not sure it warrants mentioning as an output here.
R/ In accordance with a comment from Reviewer 2, we acknowledge that this is a local rather than a global list, and that species rankings may differ between the two. Therefore, we believe it is an output worth highlighting. Nevertheless, we have clarified in the text the differences between the local and global scores and their implications.
This entire paragraph seems superfluous, and this work has nothing to do with the latitudinal gradient so it’s a strange thing to focus discussion on.
R/ While we briefly mention the latitudinal gradient, the main purpose of this introductory paragraph is to provide general context on biodiversity, leading into the key argument of the subsequent sections: the need to understand biodiversity and extinction risk as multidimensional phenomena. We have made minor adjustments to better integrate the role of the latitudinal gradient in promoting tropical diversity, thereby reinforcing the importance of prioritizing conservation efforts in regions of exceptionally high biodiversity.
Suggested added context as this was unclear as worded.
R/ We accepted the reviewer’s suggestion and revised the text accordingly.
I’m not sure this follows - more that, as the paragraph goes onto say, it results in a lack of understanding of the impacts and vulnerability of the species.
R/ We rephrased the idea to make it clearer.
This seems to be an inappropriate reference, as Paez et al. 2006 focused on turtles rather than squamates. Please check and reword as needed.
R/ We double-checked the reference and confirmed that it is correct, as it covers not only turtles but all Colombian reptiles (including squamates, crocodiles, and turtles).
This seems inconsistent with the earlier statement that “a local assessment is lacking” - should this rather say a recent local assessment? Though as the paper goes on to reference a 2015 ‘local assessment’, it’s unclear what this section means.
R/ We agree with the reviewer and revised the text to clarify that we refer to a recent assessment that also considers different facets of biodiversity, not just species richness (i.e., taxonomic diversity).
The figure given later is 597, and that was used as the basis for the analysis. This may be a discrepancy due to a later update, but the same Reptile Database update should be cited throughout the paper for consistency.<br />
R/ In the Introduction, we refer to the most recent estimate of 620 reptile species for Colombia, based on the latest update of the Reptile Database (2024). However, the analyses in this study were based on the 2023 version of the database, which listed 597 species at that time. Given that the analyses were conducted using the 2023 data, and a complete reanalysis would be required to incorporate the updated figures, we chose to retain the original dataset to ensure consistency and reproducibility. We have clarified this point in the text to avoid confusion.
Better to use the term ‘squamates’ rather than ‘reptiles’ if crocs and turtles are to be excluded.
R/ Done, we have consistently replaced "reptiles" with "squamates" throughout the text where appropriate.
Once again, this could benefit from clarity. The data in the Reptile Database should be reviewed with reference to available material and literature to be used as a formal checklist, but it should be ‘complete’ - it’s more likely to erroneously list species from a country than to miss ones that actually occur there.
R/ We agree with the reviewer and rephrased the sentence to make the idea clearer.
Are the authors able to explain the discrepancy between this figure and the maps (which represented 81% of the dataset)? Most IUCN assessments will have maps, but no IUCN maps will be associated with species that don’t have assessments.
R/ The figures were validated against the information provided in Table S1. As the reviewer correctly points out, there are more assessments than polygons, consistent with the supplementary material. The figure of 77% corresponds to 461 species (excluding DD and NE categories) out of 597 species in our dataset (461/597 = 0.77). Meanwhile, the figure of 81% refers to 481 species with available geographic information, including species categorized as DD (481/597 = 0.81). The discrepancy arises because DD species were included when considering geographic data but excluded from threat category analyses. We have revised the Methods and Results sections to clarify this distinction explicitly. Also, we updated the previous 77% figure to include DD species too, increasing it to 92%.
This is not a sufficient way to evaluate whether the assessments are likely to need updating - the Criteria take account of the distribution and extent of threats to each species, not simply its distribution. The ‘needs update’ tag is applied by the Red List only to assessments more than 10 years old, which is all that should be mentioned here.
R/ We understand the reviewer’s concern and acknowledge that a mismatch between EOO and threat classification is not sufficient by itself to determine if an update is needed. We have separated these ideas in the text: first, we highlight species whose assessments are formally tagged as “needs update” after 10 years; second, we discuss species whose EOO does not align with their current threat classification. We moved the second point to the 3.2 Geographic patterns section, and expanded the Discussion to better explain these observations.
See above. The authors didn’t ‘show’ this, they interpreted the Criteria incorrectly.
R/ See previous answer. We further expanded the Discussion section to better frame this point.
I would consider it suitable for the manuscript to be more fully revised as a shorter paper, as the region-scale analysis within Colombia and the phylogenetic results are of more interest than the well-trodden path of identifying the Andes as an area of greater endemism than Amazonia and the additional analyses included in the paper render its main findings somewhat opaque in places.
R/ We consider that highlighting the Andes as an area of high endemism is necessary to provide context for interpreting the patterns of phylogenetic diversity. While it may be a well-known topic, not all readers will have the same background. Although the manuscript is extensive because it covers taxonomic, geographic, and phylogenetic patterns, its current length (ca. 6,300 words, excluding references) is well within the 9,000-word limit for Original Research articles in Biodiversity and Conservation and only slightly above the typical 5,000-word range. Nevertheless, we made an effort to shorten unnecessary sections to improve focus and clarity. For example, we removed some analysis related to diversification rates and extinction risk, since as the Reviewer 2 pointed out, some metrics depending on branch lengths may be biased.<br />
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Reviewer 2
L393-405: it is important to acknowledge the phylogenetic incompleteness of a national-level analysis, and how that might be affecting these results – divergence times are influenced by phylogenetic coverage and structure, removing >90% of squamate species from the phylogeny will give you divergence times between Colombian species, not true lineage age/divergence time information. This could be addressed with sensitivity analyses to explore how lineage age varies between pruned and complete trees, or with stronger discussion of the pitfalls of this approach in the methods and discussion, with clearer wording in the results.
R/ We appreciate the reviewer’s insightful comment and fully agree. We performed additional calculations to assess sensitivity, and indeed, the age of some lineages can be severely affected, while others remain largely unchanged. Following the reviewer’s recommendation, we revised the Methods and Discussion sections to place greater emphasis on the limitations of using evolutionary metrics derived from pruned trees and on the considerations needed when interpreting these results. As the reviewer also notes, these results are not necessarily incorrect, since global conservation priorities do not always align with local ones. Additionally, we introduced local and global subscripts to our metrics to explicitly distinguish between them.
407-418: Distinction is needed between EDGE scores and national EDGE scores (literally just saying ‘national EDGE scores’ would suffice). It may also be useful to identify national-specific priorities – i.e. high ranking national EDGE species that are not highly ranked in global context. There are EDGE scores available for all vertebrates at the global level here ( https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-024-45119-z) . There are endemic Colombian squamates that are high EDGE in this study and also high EDGE at the global scale (e.g. Lepidoblepharis miyatai) but also species that are high EDGE nationally because of the phylogenetic diversity they are solely responsible for in Colombia, but the responsibility for which is shared beyond Colombia’s borders. These key cases can be instrumental in ensuring species that are globally ‘safe’ but locally important do not fall through the cracks.
R/ Please refer to the previous response. We now explicitly distinguish between national EDGE scores and global EDGE scores throughout the text and highlight cases where species are locally important but not necessarily globally prioritized.
L41 and throughout: “threatenedness” = “extinction risk” or “level of threat”.
R/ Done.
Throughout: It’s the IUCN Red List, not IUCN, particularly when referring to versions of the Red List database.
R/ Done.
L145: make it clear you’re referring to national endemics.
R/ The Resolución 0126/2024 from Colombia’s Ministry of Environment (MADS) covers not only national endemics but all species occurring within the country’s administrative boundaries.
L167: ensure it’s clear that its imputation based on taxonomy alone.
R/ Done.
L182: check references.
R/ We reviewed the references cited at this point and confirm they are correct.
L222-224 and throughout: phylogenetic diversity == Faith’s PD – the other measures are indices of phylogenetic distance/relatedness that are calculated in same units as PD, but are not phylogenetic diversity – that should be clarified.
R/ Done. We clarified that Faith’s PD refers specifically to phylogenetic diversity, while the other metrics represent measures of phylogenetic relatedness or distance.
L393: extinction risk should not be though of as a trait evolving but as the manifestation of extrinsic and intrinsic factors.
R/ Agreed. We rewrote the sentence.<br />
L393-397: unclear what the relationships discussed are, and what they infer.
R/ We have removed this section from both the Methods and Results. Given that the correlations discussed involved metrics dependent on branch length — and, as the reviewer previously pointed out, branch lengths can be affected by pruning the phylogenetic trees — we decided to eliminate this section. Overall, it did not substantially contribute to the text or to the discussion.
L428-429: This is higher than, or at least comparable to, the global % of DD/NE squamates I think, so might not be considered relatively low for squamates.
R/ We rewrote the sentence to clarify that it is comparable to or higher than the global percentage, as the reviewer correctly pointed out.
L429-432: it might be worth highlighting how taxonomists and others can contribute to rapid reassessment of species with basic information in ecological publications see: https://doi.org/10.1016/j.biocon.2018.01.022
R/ Done. We incorporated the reviewer’s suggestion.
L442-444: Unclear what is meant here? A species can be assessed as CR with a wide range if its under population decline criteria, and a small-ranged species can be assessed as not-threatened if there is no evidence of decline/ongoing degradation.
R/ This comment was also raised by Reviewer 1. We addressed it accordingly by revising the text to clarify that species can indeed have wide distributions and still qualify as Critically Endangered if facing significant threats, and vice versa. Please refer to our responses to Reviewer 1.