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  1. Nov 2021
    1. Some researchers, however, have argued thatthe evidence collected in support of the benefitsof meaning negotiation is not plentiful or entirelyconvincing (e.g., Foster, 1998; Porter, 1986; Ske-han, 1998). In particular, there is little researchsupporting a direct link between negotiation be-haviors and TL acquisition.

      I'm not sure if this is a fair characterization. All of the studies cited are pre-Mackey.

    2. number of global errors and local errors (see, e.g.,Burt & Kiparsky, 1972).

      This is an interesting measure. Something to talk about, though I'm not sure it will or should figure into your study.

    3. study has demonstrated a clear relationship be-tween the incidence of negotiated interaction andincreases in oral communication ability.

      That's a really nice finding. This sort of payoff is what David was looking for in his comments on your SLS talk. And why I've pushed for some sort of quantitative, measure to show like "this is what this is good for". We've talked about this before, but I just want to point it out because you really do see that come through in this article.

    4. As shown in Table 2, among the strategiesfor coping with speaking problems, reported fre-quent use of social affective strategies positivelycorrelated to oral proficiency (p < .01)

      I wonder to what degree "negotiation" or general "communication" strategies lowers anxiety, or helps learners manage it better?

    1. Social-affective strategies are similar to some speaking, or communication, strategies, which are means of dealing with communication trouble spots, such as misunder-standing the interlocutor or not knowing a word.

      OK, good to know that they are characterized this way in some frameworks.

    2. This shows an inter-dependence of and reciprocal relationship between the two variables

      I'm a bit skeptical about this, or at least skeptical that they can make this claim. They've shown correlations between beliefs and perceived use, but not beliefs and actual use. That difference is important and shouldn't be glossed over.

    1. n order to test this hypothesis, we divided the sample into twosubgroups based on the ‘attitudes towards the task’ variable byforming a continuum of the learners according to their score onthis variable and by assigning the upper half of the sample to the‘high task-attitude’ subsample (HighS) and the lower half of thesample to the ‘low-task attitude’ subsample (LowS). Following this,we repeated the correlation analysis reported above in the twosubsamples separately (see Table 4).

      This is a smart way to handle this. But I also think they could have run these correlations with attitudes as a continuous variable or as a covariate. (Also speaks to your question above about the transformation.

    2. perceived group cohesiveness substantially con-tributes to language learners’ motivation complex and correlatessignificantly with various language criterion measures

      Neat. I wonder what this might say about e.g. putting students into teams or letting them choose teams.

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    1. This leads us to conclude that our SQ was only partially reliable.

      I'm not sure I'd phrase this like this. Some of what they list below is an issue of the SQ being reliable. Some of it relates to differences between participants' beliefs and behaviors, and some of it is that this stuff can be really hard to actually observe.

    2. the sequence in which each learner carried out the tasks, which was the same.To avoid a practice effect, the sequence in which the learners carried out thetasks should have been rearranged so that it could more reliably be claimedthat differences in strategy use were due to the influence of the task alone.

      Yes, finally they mention this! I would have thought that this would come up sooner, especially in the discussion about changes in anxiety. But note to self / word to the wise: plan to counterbalance your tasks!

    3. For Factor 1

      Pet peeve: there is way too much going on here to fallow if you're not already very familiar with the data. This needs to be in a table.

    4. Significant difference between Picture Story and Art Descriptionb Significant difference between Picture Story and Information Gap

      This should report the level of significance (i.e., p < .05). And this probably should be Bonferroni corrected, so less than .05, more like p < .016).

    5. visual promptswere provided, no note-taking was permitted, written instructions were givenin English, tasks were performed in a classroom with the researcher presentand participants were paired with a classmate they were familiar with.

      All important considerations

    6. in reporting strategies as a relatively stable aptitude or trait with respect to lan-guage learning in general (Tseng et al. 2006). They have not usually taken intoaccount that learners may adjust their strategic approach depending on the situ-ation or task, as an increasing amount of research suggests (Cohen et al. 1998;Hsiao and Oxford 2002; Macaro 2006; Oxford et al. 2004; Phakiti 2003). Thereseems to be a need, therefore, for questionnaires that focus on oral communi-cation and which can be administered in relation to specific tasks.

      This "stable vs. dynamic" issue seems to come up in all of this literature.

    1. Theone-waytaskconsistedofalinedrawingofasceneinaparkthat one participant described to his or her partner, who had toreproduce it. The two-way task involved a picture of a kitchen,with the two participants collaborating to put items into thecorrect place

      Again, important to think about the appropriate task type for your study.

    2. The adults in the NNS±NNS dyads were enrolled in an intensiveEnglishprogramatauniversityintheUnitedStates,andthoseinthe NS±NNS dyads were enrolled in a similar program at anAustralian university.4

      Also note the second (vs. foreign) language context. This combined with different L1 backgrounds could have a significant effect on results.

    3. In both age groups the NNSs came from a variety of Asian,Germanic, and Romance first language (L1) backgrounds.

      Important to note that (most if not all) NNS pairs likely had different languages, so some of the L1 avoidance strategies wouldn't be evident or possible here.

    4. The present study exploredwhether NNSs respond differently to interactional feedbackprovided by NSs and NNSs by comparing incorporation ratesfor feedback provided by these two kinds of interlocutors.

      I like that they look at incorporation of the feedback that was just received. I wonder if this is something you'd be able to do (but it might also be that, if you end up adopting coding strategies that are closer to Nakatani, this might not be completely possible.

    1. 12 weeks, it was not possible to conduct a delayed posttest that could provide information concerning the longitudinal effects of the strategy training on the students' oral profici

      Bookmark for later.

    2. Reduction Strategies The following strategies were categorized as re- duction strategies: message abandonment strategies, first-language-based strategies, interlanguage-based reduction strategies, and false sta

      On my reading, these all signal (or at least could be possible gateways into) the "not OK" mode.

    3. s. I used the Oral Com- munication Assessment Scale for Japanese EFL Students (see Appendix C), which was estab- lished by an action research project at the college (Nakatani, 200

      This could be very useful.

    4. try. They were given 5 minutes to prepare a role-play in which the student test takers assumed the role of a customer and the interviewer was a clerk

      Worth considering whether you want something like this, or something like our oral tasks, or something like Mackey's tasks. I can see advantages of each.

    5. , it is worthwhile to examine whether attempts by EFL learners to solve communicative problems that occur during interaction could be shaped into important components of a strategy-based program for communication perfor

      Bookmark this quote. It's a succinct way of describing what you're interested in.

    6. s the psycholinguistic view (e.g., Bialystok, 1983; Kitajima, 1997; Poulisse, 1990). Focusing on the interaction between interlocu- tors and negotiation of meaning has come to be recognized as the interactional view (e.g., Rost & Ross, 1991; Willems,

      This is an important distinction. I take it you're also interested in the interactional view?

    7. lacked the metacognitive skills needed to learn the FL through interaction.

      Small note, but I disagree with how this is phrased. Imho, no one lacks the metacognitive skills needed to learn through interaction. That's how we all learn. But they may not be able to tap those skills actively / effectively and routinely.

  3. Oct 2021
    1. The conceptual principles of linear modelling, causal relations and statistical probability that are fundamen-tal to much quantitative research are not readily applicable to researching complex dynamic systems, where the theoretical focus is on processes of change that are systemic, non-linear, adaptive, and unpredictable

      I think Tremblay actually does a decent job of showing that this isn't entirely true (though "unpredictable" does still pose a big problem).

    2. L2 learners motivated by an ideal L2 self will have uniquely individual ideal self-representations that cannot easily be char-acterized (and measured) in a generic way.

      Devils advocate: Why? By which I mean, if you can characterize and measure a "present" self, why not a "future" self. (I do think most qualitative folk would reject the notion that you can characterize and measure a "present" self too.)

    3. qualitative methods are especially suited to the exploratory theory-building phase of research inquiry, when new constructs are under development.

      I think this makes a lot of sense. It does make me wonder whether any of the current motivational models developed with qualitative methods are going to transition out of this phase and be investigated with other methods later on.

    4. the socio-educational model was primarily concerned with explaining variance in L2 learning behaviour associated with motivation as a general feature of the L2 learning process, rather than with investigating the various qualities that this motivation might take.

      So yet again, we're seeing differences in RQs for quantitative vs. qualitative research.

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    1. However, this was not the case in the context of the present study,suggesting that differences in linguistic proficiency (as measured by astandardized proficiency test) do not predict learners’ levels of attention andawareness in L2 pragmatic input

      "As measured by a standardized proficiency test." This might be an important qualification. My question is whether the learners differed in the ability to use or understand any of the forms here. (Again, going back to my comment about linguistic inventory.)

    2. Correlations with motivation and proficiency

      It doesn't appear that they tested whether there was a correlation between motivation and proficiency, which could be a significant confound. (They're results might lead us to believe that these were not correlated, but we can't know this without the test).

    3. motivation and proficiency couldoperate on pragmatic awareness independently so that motivation mayoverride proficiency or vice versa.

      Yes, but only to a point because if the learner doesn't have the set of linguistic functions needed, motivation can't override proficiency (see my comment above). Oder?

    4. features more accurately (and faster) than less proficient learners

      Another thing that I think is worth mentioning is that higher proficiency learners may have a broader set of linguistic functions in their linguistic inventory that they can link to different pragmatic functions. For example, if all you know is "Du", then you (by default) have to link both formal and informal to "Du". But if you also know "Sie" you can proceed differentiating the pragmatic contexts in which each is used.

    5. The Noticing Hypothesis has been a driving force in advancing research onimplicit versus explicit learning at the morphosyntactic level

      Yes, but research on "noticing" has waned in recent years.

    1. As I discussed in my 2010 paper, a major reason why motivation research has remained somewhat isolated from the core linguistic traditions of the SLA field is because the analysis of motivation and its role in language learning has largely been at the level of global learning behaviours and L2 achievement outcomes, and motivation research has tended not to address more fine-grained processes of language acquisition or linguistic development. As a consequence, our research can shed relatively little light on how motivation may be relevant to internal processes of linguistic development or to the acquisition of specific features of the target language (with the possible exception of features of pronunciation – see for example Segalowitz, Gatbonton & Trofimovich 2009), which constitute core concerns of mainstream SLA.

      This is really well put imho.

    2. What remains relatively underexplored is the micro-level of the interface between motivation and the internal psycholinguistic processes that characterize language learning.

      We've talked about this before. I just want to highlight it again.

    3. how far motivation may play a role in whether learners notice and pay attention to certain target features of the language or not, particularly in conditions where input enhancement is not provided

      I have a hunch, a guess really. My guess is that, if we define language acquisition as the acquisition of a set of rules, we would find a connection between motivation and noticing / attention. But if we define it through a 'processing' lens, we wouldn't (this is based on VanPatten et al., 2013's study of aptitude and processing instruction.)

    4. Investigate how learners co-construct their motivation to think through problems and difficulties in collaborative language tasks

      I was thinking about MacIntyre & Serroul's study and how it could be adapted to look at motivation in pair work (since, if I remember correctly, the tasks were all individualized). That led me to think about Reden! tasks, which seems to fit nicely into the research questions / agenda here.

  5. Sep 2021
    1. ymodelling proficient foreign language performance, teachers inspire higher levels ofmotivation amongst their students.

      And I think then the question is "what about native speaker teachers?". That of course raises questions about previous statements about contact with the L2 community too.

    2. While enjoyment of language learning is crucial for students’decision to continue with language learning, it is precisely lack of enjoyment oflanguage learning that seems to be one of the main reasons for students dropping outof modern foreign languages (Fisher 2001). Given that external pressure does notseem to play a role in students’ decision to study German at university level, one mayquestion whether making foreign languages compulsory would yield the desiredresults and lead to sustained involvement in language learning.

      I wonder about this statement, in part, because I see students who aren't at ALL motivated to learn the language but have a language requirement. They end up loving it and then majoring / minoring. I don't think it's one-or-the-other here, but I don't think this can be stated so categorially (not in my experience anyways).

    3. Based on a qualitative study of first and second year university students inIreland, Ushioda (1996) found that a positive learning history, together withenjoyment of the language, served separately as important and distinct motivatorsfor students’ decisions to study for a French language degree. In the present study,however, students’ enjoyment of the language appeared to be strongly intertwinedwith their experience of German at school rather than two separate aspects. Allinterviewees – except for one self-taught student – discussed enjoyment in connectionwith the pleasure felt when engaging with German at school

      I think this is a really important distinction, the difference between liking the language enjoying using it.

    4. There was a significant difference between the mean values for students’ wishfor language proficiency and for intrinsic reasons for studying (t ¼7.68, p 5.0001)

      The stats presented here are really poorly explained. I don't know what test was done here or why it was done. Why just compare these two? Why not all of them?

    5. Another question that remains to be answered is whether the ideal self can overcomethe fickle spirit of motivation.

      This, I think, is a nice way of describing what we see in the other reading. And based on the results, it seems that the ideal self doesn't (necessarily) help learners overcome that fickle spirit.

    1. De Bot (this volume) has suggested examining one timescale up (N+1) and one timescale down (N-1) from the process being studied. This advice has been most helpful for the present study. We see that the shorter timescale (N-1) involves the ‘okay’ / ‘not-okay’ checking of the BIS and BAS, semantic processing, L2 vocabulary retrieval and coalition formation, all of which are relevant to the ongoing assessment of approach and avoidance. The next longer timescale (N+1) captures the approach or avoidance quality of the task, captured in advance by the CanDo ratings.

      I'm not quite sure I've got this. What does De Bot say aobut N and N+/- 1? (And what is N?)

    2. The most prevalent type of motivation, by a long shot, was task-related.

      This makes me think about Buss & Williams and their finding hat previous experience with the L2 is highly motivating.

    3. I don't necessarily disagree with this, but I do think these data raise serious questions about the ideal self as a motivator for day-to-day coursework.

      It could be interesting to test motivation while participants complete tasks that do prime for career / travel / freindships, etc. as suggested.

    4. The tasks were presented in one of two orders. Order 1 consisted of a mixture of both difficult and easy tasks. Order 2 consisted of tasks that became progressively more difficult.

      Not sure I love this design, especially since they don't talk about it much if at all later. I think they would have been better off counter-balancing or presenting tasks in a random order.

    5. The present study uses an idiodynamic approach to examine the degree of fluctuation in approach/avoidance motivation as time moves along and L2 communication task demands change. The idiodynamic method (MacIntyre, 2012; MacIntyre & Legatto, 2011) is a recently-developed mixed methods approach to studying communication processes by recording a series of communication tasks and asking the respondent to rate and explain fluctuations in his or her affective reactions. Eight specific L2 communication tasks, in the form of an oral interview, allow us to dynamically examine motivation. Prior to undertaking the tasks, participants completed a questionnaire measure of personality traits, integrative motivation and the Can-Do measure of expected task performance. In a laboratory setting, eight of the Can-Do tasks were completed in the L2 as the respondent was videotaped. Following the responses, the respondent watched and rated their video for changes in motivation. Immediately after ratings were completed, respondents were interviewed and asked to describe the reasons for peaks and valleys in their ratings of motivation during the 8 tasks.

      I REALLY like this method of assessing motivation.

    6. Adopting a dynamic perspective allows us to draw the concept of motivation closer to a key cognitive process underlying communication: choosing what to say and how to say it. In the literature on native language communication, Greene (1984, 1989, 1997, 2006; Greene & Cappella, 1986; Greene, et al., 2000) proposed action assembly theory to explain how individuals generate and produce both verbal and nonverbal behaviours.

      This speaks to me. As I read this article, I realize that one of my "hang-ups" with motivation research is that it's most often related to the psychological (e.g., emotional states), but doesn't try to align itself (overtly) to cognitive processes that underlie this psychology. This more granular approach brings motivation theory towards my conceptualization of 'the mind'.

    7. I have now come to believe that many of the controversies and disagreements in L2 motivation research go back to an insufficient temporal awareness... that different or even contradictory theories do not exclude one another, but may simply be related to different phases of the motivated behavioral process.

      This speaks to something I have noticed in the motivation literature (and to a much lesser extent, individual differences research at large) which is a seeming lack of falsifiability.

    1. .Revised version accepted 11 August 1999Notes1. According to Deci and Ryan (1985), a fourth type of EM, integratedregulation, represents a higher degree of self-determination than identifiedregulation. It was not included in the present discussion because earlierstudies of motivation in education had difficulty distinguishing the constructfrom identified regulation (e.g., Vallerand et al., 1989). The difficulty may berelated to the age of the respondents in that particular study: They may havebeen too young to have developed an integrated sense of self with regard to

      This is probably a product of the goal of the paper and my own biases -- but I'm left kind of waiting for a reason to care (I realize that's an indelicate way to put it). What I mean is, I want to know if this "new and improved" theoretical construct either (a) enables researchers to estimate learning outcomes among students better or (b) enables practitioners to better motivate their students. I see a little bit of (b) in here (increase learner autonomy?), but none of (a).

    2. increased percep-tions of freedom of choice and perceived competence are linked tomore self-determined forms of motivation.

      This is why I was a bit surprised at the other reading, when it said that the future self should not be in reach.

    1. My use of the concept of imagination refers to a process of expanding our self by transcending our time and space and creating new images of the world and ourselves. Imagination in this sense is looking at an apple seed and seeing a tree. It is playing scales on a piano, and envisioning a concert hall.

      (How) is this different from the motivational self-image?

    2. The future self-image should not be regarded as comfortably within reach: The learner must believe that the possible self will not be realized without a marked increase in exerted effort.

      This makes sense to me now that I read it a few times, but at first it struck me as extremely counterintuitive that the future self should NOT be regarded as within reach (but comfortably is the key word).

    3. highlighting the concept’s dynamic character and temporal variation .

      This makes me think of Bradley's focus group in the 398T class, where he found that his participants' motivations were highly depending on the point in the semester.

    4. Gardner’s socio-educational model of second language acquisition (Gardner & MacIntyre, 1993, p. 8)

      Maybe I'm behind the times, but this model helps me cement the idea that "motivation" isn't ONE thing. It's a bunch of different things that are related to each other and that, when measured separately may have some effect on learning, but when measured together have a marked impact.

    5. A good way to demonstrate the extent of the recent changes in the research climate is through the nature of the research questions being asked by scholars. A typical research question in a conventional study would have asked, “What is the correlation between certain motivational dimensions and selected criterion mea-sures, for example scores on a standardized test?” However, in a research climate that eschews linear predictability, researchers are now more interested in moti-vational processes, changes, and interactions in specific contexts, as illustrated for example by the research question that was driving Piniel and Csizér’s (2015, p. 168) recent study: “How can we characterize changes concerning motivation, anxiety, and self-efficacy throughout an academic writing course?”

      This answers a question that arose for me earlier: if motivation is defined as always dynamic and changing, (how) can research really hope to capture the effect of motivation on language learning (i.e., the outcome of a particular intervention, course of study, study abroad, etc.). It seems that the answer is that it can't--or at least doesn't try to (speaking generally).

    1. While the whole process in itself is clearly ametalinguistic activity (showing students’perception of textual problems), students rarely justifythe options they take with specific metalanguage, i.e., instances of type [d] are scarce.

      OK. So THIS is a really important distinction. Metalinguistic activity vs. Metalinguistic Information.

    2. shaping and reshaping the text.

      THIS is why the concepts proposed here seem (to me) to work in writing, but not (very well) in oral communication.

      But along these lines, I wonder if the oral equivalent of "shaping and reshaping the text" is "having similar exchanges over and over again". And so I'm drawn back to an idea that we (I think) through around a littler while ago, that of learners doing metalinguistic reflections on oral tasks. What if they always did the task twice? One group does it with metalinguistic reflection in between, and the other doesn't? Is the MR group better the second time? Probably. Is the MR group better at the next oral task? Who knows.

    3. While teachers’talk is central to education, this talk can sometimes hinder the veryprocess of learning, turning it into a sort of ritual that consists of memorizing facts and engagingin actions without clearly knowing its rationale (Edwards and Mercer 2012).

      This is definitely a danger of using too much metalinguistic discussion in the classroom.

    4. As a tool for thought and knowledge (Coseriu1991), a language would, through its reflexive affordances, shape the very process of learningthe language.

      In the abstract, I still struggle with this concept, though it's much clearer how this works in the example of the writing process.

    1. We also note, as previously discussed, thatprevious empirical and theoretical SLA researchcorroborates the notion that IMP’s ongoing func-tion is more easily acquired (and therefore likelyto be more sensitive to instruction) than the ha-bitual function by English speakers, providing sec-ondary support for our claims.

      I had a thought about the target form. It strikes me that the meaning for IMP is difficult. That is, aspect and habituality is not a 'readily available' concept for learners. It's not something they understand intuitively. So I wonder if, for 'simple' forms where the FORM is the problem, L1 explicit information is less necessary than for complex forms where the MEANING expressed by the form is the problem (or at least a big part of the problem). (e.g., plurality vs. futur II or plusquamperfect)

    1. transforming a genre of one kind into another kind, namely, a tale intoa piece of news. Content will have to be reorganized according to the communicative functionof the new text and its conventional structure.

      I really like this idea for an explicit writing task.

    2. as writing, translating, pragmatics, semantics, and language acquisition and evolution—couldnot exist without language's second‐order reflexive properties.

      Maybe I shouldn't judge a book by its cover (or an article by its title) but this strikes me as just... wrong. It's an interesting thought though, so maybe worth the discussion.

    3. highlights the difficulties experienced by stu-dents when they use grammatical concepts as elements to control usage and the importanceof revising texts in order to create metalinguistic awareness in a recursive pedagogic process:

      In my experience, this is important. Students often have a very loose grasp of metalinguistic rules even if they can repeat them, because they don't really understand the language in the rule or the contexts to which the rule applies. This recursive process helps create better control of the rules they (appear to) know.

    1. We also note that both the training and testing parameters of the presentexperiment emphasized form over meaning processing, with the identificationof morphosyntactic patterns likely being associated with higher performance,regardless of overall comprehension. Although it is not clear to what extenteach training group engaged with the grammar training task, it is reasonable toconclude that they did so at a comparable level, given that analyses of viewingtrials showed no group differences and that rule verbalization scores indicatedrule learning in all groups. The GJT can also be said to include an explicitknowledge bias (see Rebuschat, 2013, for a recent discussion of measures ofimplicit and explicit L2 knowledge).

      This was exactly my comment, and I'm glad they addressed it here. Given that the training and testing really are focused on form, I think the relative advantage for the salience group seen across the experiment is even stronger. I do wonder, if the control group had been engaged in meaning, if they wouldn't have been a bit more even with the other groups though. I agree, it shouldn't affect their conclusions about similarity / differences, but any implications drawn about instructional techniques should be made more cautiously.

    2. Each word in a trial was presented for450 milliseconds followed by a 350-millisecond blank screen between words.

      This is called RSVP - Rapid Serial Visual Presentation. It is a way of conducting a GJT task, but is used mainly with EEG research because it eliminates eye movements normally associated with reading and which cause a ton of noise in the EEG signal.

    3. Participants made grammaticality judgments concurrent with electroen-cephalography (EEG) recording; however, only behavioral results are reportedhere.4

      It's unfortunate they didn't get clean enough data from some of the participants to be able to report these. I wonder if these data would have mirrored the behavioral results?

      This does make a few things about the design clearer though: (a) GJT is very common in EEG/ERP research; (b) they only tested right-handed participants, which is common in EEG/ERP research, but weird for non EEG/ERP work.

    4. All materials used for the study can be accessed by readers in the IRIS digitalrepository (http://www.iris-database.org/iris/app/home/index)

      If you aren't yet familiar with this resource, I highly recommend you go to IRIS and take a quick look around.

    5. Unfortunately, the presence of feedback during instruc-tion was confounded with manipulated variables in this experiment becauseonly the processing instruction and structured input groups received accuracyfeedback. Thus, the question remains whether participants in the metalinguisticinformation group would have performed better if they too had received feed-back during learning.

      This is a bit misleading. The metalinguistic-only group didn't complete a learning task at all, so there was no feedback to give.

    6. Thus, we employ the terms in relation to each other, comparingrelativelymoreimplicit processes to less implicit (or more explicit) ones.

      This seems like an important qualification and is a signal that they don't want to take an explicit stance (forgive the phrasing) on what qualifies as "implicit" or "explicit".

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    1. In all cases, the functors have to beperceived as cues before they can partake in acquisition.

      On a personal professional note, it is sometimes infuriating the degree to which people working in this sort of usage based framework fail to see connections to other theories (like input processing) AND vice versa.

    2. becoming more sensitive to those which are psychologicallysignificant dimensions of variation amongst the stimuli, and becoming lesssensitive to those redundant characteristics which do not play any role inaccurate classification

      This is a good argument for HVPT, as we've discussed it: learners get to grapple with the variation until it's clear to them what is relevant variation and what is irrelevant variation.

    3. I believe that this redundancy is much more influential in second ratherthan L1 acquisition

      This is so clearly reminiscent of VanPatten's work on input processing, it's surprising he doesn't mention this or the 1000s of other ways the two speak to each other.

    4. But, the studiesmeta-analysed in Goldschneider and DeKeyser pooled L2 learners from avariety of L1 backgrounds and did not concern the ways in which the natureof the first language might have a particular effect on the detailed pathor rate of L2 acquisition.

      Again, this is directly related to my salience research and is exactly the problem with using a static (non-learner-centered) definition of "salience".

    5. This simple statistic has a profound consequence: If fluent native speakerscan only hear these grammatical functors from the bottom-up evidence ofinput 40 percent-50 percent of the time, what chance have second languagelearners to hear them and thence learn their function?

      This is the most succinct statement of the problem in my salience research.

    6. of the man who was wounded six times during World War I, the first time inBelgium, the second in the morning, the third in the leg, the fourth in hissleep, the fifth in August, and the sixth inadvertently.

      There's no question or discussion here. I just love this use of language!

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    1. Their findings do not provide clear support for the benefits ofL1/L2 contrasts, perhaps because the contrastive instruction provided in their study may nothave been sufficiently explicit.

      This catches my attention because at first it seemed to contradict the suggestions made in the previous paragraph.

      But then it goes farther and suggests what they could have done that might have led to differences in that study. So they are being quite specific here: it's not just training about L1/L2 contrasts; it's explicit training. If I remember correctly, this is what McManus shows in his work as well (I could be wrong about that, though in which case this would be an interesting thing to explore).

    2. hat is, itcould be argued that the positive correlation reported in this study was due to the nature ofthe two tasks used to measure students’ performance. The grammaticality judgement andthe scrambled questions tasks were both measures that allowed and probably encouragedstudents to draw on their explicit knowledge. This may have contributed to the correlationbetween learners’ performance on these tasks and their ability to express their metalin-guistic knowledge. Different results might emerge if we were to use measures of implicitknowledge (e.g. oral production in more meaning-focused tasks and even in natural class-room environments) (see Y. Sheen, 2006).

      This is my primary criticism of the study. On one hand, the results are interesting. On the other hand, I'm kind of like no-duh an explicit understanding of language differences contributes to your ability to do an explicit task!

    3. An example of an item in the grammaticality judgement task is presentedbelow.

      I'm not a big fan of this design as it looks to invite explicit engagement with the forms . would be susceptible to metalinguistic knowledge