QUERY What are the 20204 tools that have caught up with the vision

FOR This is a very e very exciting development towards VALUE CREATION in the COMMONS

QUERY Is there a taxonomy for data, information, insightr, knowledge, ontology, wisdom, cosmic knowing etc?

EXTENSION We would love to use these methods as a way to co-create Digital Dialogues such that members of a Dialogue group can synchronously and asynchronously annotate what is going in beneath their words and language

FOR David Bohm spoke to this deeply as a way to show that when people speak, they do so from re-representations which are slightly different to that which they heard This is how communication becomes INCOHERENT

QUESTION How has AI began to do this already?

DISSENT Surely, the point of humanising text is that humans actually THINK about it rather than THOUGHTS put in by others?

For COMMON RECORD - ties in with the idea of the Commons as part of ancient wisdom traditions such as Brehon Law

https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=764eba5d1847feae5e5a29b34d573adcea4c3f77521cd6b69e58e41d26596384JmltdHM9MTcyNzU2ODAwMA&ptn=3&ver=2&hsh=4&fclid=026c4e4b-ac70-6791-11e3-5a77ada36673&psq=brehon+law&u=a1aHR0cHM6Ly9lbi53aWtpcGVkaWEub3JnL3dpa2kvQnJlaG9u&ntb=1

and more modern version of Commons such as MIcjhel Bouwens P2P Foundation

https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=15aa85ad8ae6be46c850bd758bfcda68c07f8bcb456b63e06a6f6fca96e0b88cJmltdHM9MTcyNzU2ODAwMA&ptn=3&ver=2&hsh=4&fclid=026c4e4b-ac70-6791-11e3-5a77ada36673&psq=p2p+fouyndation&u=a1aHR0cHM6Ly9wMnBmb3VuZGF0aW9uLm5ldC8jOn46dGV4dD1UaGUgUDJQIEZvdW5kYXRpb24gaXMgYSBub24tcHJvZml0IG9yZ2FuaXphdGlvbiBhbmQgZ2xvYmFs&ntb=1

For Adjacent Knowledge

We have been introduced to Stuart Kauffman's work on The Adjacent Possible which feels related

https://www.ted.com/talks/stuart_kauffman_the_adjacent_possible_and_how_it_explains_human_innovation?utm_campaign=tedspread&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=tedcomshare

According to David Bohm 1991 paper, 'Thought is the Problem"

https://www.humiliationstudies.org/documents/BohmDialogue.pdf#:~:text=%C2%A9%20David%20Bohm,%20Donald%20Factor,%20Peter%20Garrett%20reinforce%20a%20kind

POTENTIAL The potential is for a record of COLLECTIVE INSIGHT

It also feels important that human MISUNDERSTANDING can act as a catalyst for COMPASSION

Prior to the 12th centuries Celtic Monasteries were doing this in the 6th century

Beyond Industrial Religion Instead of Industrial Religion - we can choose a new phrase wch has no incoherent baggage of 'industry' or 'religion' which have had their negative realities

Johnson Su We are planning to use Johnson Su technologies to restore soil as a regenerative being GIen Ương & Food Production Process Gien knows about a food product system that has a massive output

FOR Eirunomics intends to VALUE meaning, work and values

PROFIT When did profit come into the equation?

BioRegions This is now a fancy term called BioRegions

Glendalough IN the 6th century, Saint Kelvin founded a monastery at which there were hundreds of clerics and thousands of lay workers surrounding the monastery

Insight This is what humans are NOT on the balance sheet. Humans are the PRODUCT that is sold in an organisation. All lavbour costs are added to with PROFIT Quantum Balance Sheet For this willing, placing humans as an asset on the balance sheet transforms labour into an ASSET rather than as an expense

Insight Abrahamic Religions also places the human as an original sinner Demiurge This sounds like a Demiurge concept

PRACTICE This makes the COMMONS a very important social structure

Quantum Balance Sheet This is the idea we have of a Quantum Balance Sheet which acts as a collective consciousness manifesting process for tangible and intangible values for a collective - beyond the power and control of the shareholders - hence the need for a Fair Shares Commons

Eirunomics In service to the Divine - in whatever form Divine acts on the human bio psychosocial awareness

History The roman army did not conquer Ireland Comment The Roman Army conquered Ireland through the Roman Catholic Church

Benedictines Benedictines have been in Ireland since the 12th century PRE-Benedictines These were the Druid classes who lives as a Commons and who set down their civil stature according to BREHON LAW which was written down by 6th and 7th century monks in Ireland

Christian Monastic Communites

This gives Ireland a pivotal role as our Gaelic ancestors developed a form of Celtic Spirituality which according to some authors 'saved Europe from teh dark ages'.

Etymology of Salvific

"tending to save or make secure," 1590s, from Latin salvificus "saving," from salvus "uninjured, in good health, safe"

We use the term Undivided Wholeness as reminded to us by David Bohm

Gaelic IN Gaelic, the term we use is Sabhailte

FOR This is exactly what Eirunomics is proposing to do with its DAGDA streams: D ~ Dialogue A ~ Ancient Wisdom G ~ Generative AI D ~ Debt Free Mutual Credit / Currency and A ~ Alterative Collective Healing and all in teh form of a Fair Shares Commons which acts on Terra through Soil, Water, Food and Energy

ACTION Taking this as a good idea, it means Eirunomics uses a similar approach to ANCIENT WISDOM as a RELIGIO rather than a religion

Insight I am also reminded of the Hanseatic League which formed in the 14trh century

Opportunity If education is failing, then we have an opportunity to increase peer to peer insight co-creation and curation

insight Post-Literate means PRE-THOUGHT and PRE-Word - we have to get into the collective unconscious at the stage of thought formation

It seems I can annotate yet I cannot see your annotations Gien???

FUNCTIONALITY IDEA: When there is no transcript, how do we MARK the timestamp to link the annotation to TIME rather than to WORDS?

Reflections on Failings of David Bohm Society

1. 0:48 Failing is an important aspect of Dialogue
2. 0:59 Crisis means the point at which a system must change
3. 1:00 We must also name what is going right in human culture
4. 1:10 We must also place human evolution in a cosmic frame of cosmic evolution
5. 1:14 If thought is in crisis, this means it is at the point of change
6. 1:14 Bohmian Dialogue is a practice of such change
7. 1:15 In my experience, many institutions that are formed to support evolution, do not want to evolve themselves. They are nor pro-prioceptive. The humans who run them do not want to examine their own thinking process
8. 1:47 Save the Whales - So many phds and directors and advisors. What if they are all PARASITES and do nto want to evoelve, for to do so would end their economic rewards in being involved in the institution?
9. 1:50 We need less of these people too, we need ordinary people, farmers, child carers, gardners, more real people and less intellectuals
10. 2:13 Bohm's prize is to change the nature of consciousness. If the Bohm Society did this for one idea in one person, then consciousness is changed and there is no failing
11. 3:09 Why do we need to avert catastrophe? Surely we need catastrophe to reboot?
12. 3:30 Why is there an urgency? We have billions of years left to evolve yet?
13. 4.00 yes, we have seen people do not want to DIALOGUE - they want to discuss Dialogue :-)
14. 4:24 Good idea. Work with an existing group to do Dialogue rather than working with a Dialogue group to do something else
15. 4:41 Great analagy. What is the SOIL for Dialogue?
16. 6:32 Finding people to LIVE the proposals is what we are doing. We are doing this in the USA and in Europe. And yes it needs funding. We are translating Bohm's ideas with other ideas and submitting funding applications. It is with this funding that we can answer some of the basic Bohm questions about thought as a process
17. 7:27 It is strange that the Krisnamurti world do not do that? There is no equivalent David Bohm centre and if there were, perhaps they would nto do it either, becase they would all prioritise the survival of the institution rather than the true inspection of thought
18. 7:55 what is the missing ingredient?
19. 8:07 this is why we are creating a Fair Shares Commons as an economic hub. We are linking Dialogue to Ancient Wisdom, Debt Free Currency, AI and Alterative healing
20. 8:18 this is why we propose a physical living and working space in Kansas and Lough Derg (Ireland) 21 8:32 yes, we making it virtual and local and global 22 8:42 yes. we make this a spiritual practice based on a link to the ancient Gaelic goddess Eiru and to other pre-christian cosmic deities 23 9:17 We are setting up ways to measure the value of it on a profit and loss account and on a balance sheet. We want to create a community balance sheet that is founded on Bohmian principles. 24 9:43 surely speaking with hundreds of people IS communicating? What do you feel is missing? 25 10:08 We have seen people change in one minute when they are presented with their own incoherence. We have video evidence of it. We do this all the time. 26 10:43 As in most endeavours, YOU are the problem, and we say that with our arms around you. You create your own incoherence. 27 11:14 Even Bohm was not a full time Dialoguist. He was a teacher who dabbled in Dialogue. He died on the verge of something. We have chosen to examine this something to take his work forward in real life. 28 11:26 There was only one Christ and One Buddha and one Confucius. It only takes One fractal to transform such that all fractals transform 29 12:16 CURIOUS ABOUT BIRBECK??? 30 12:34 We need to BE COHERENT :-) 31 13:45 What is COGCI Labs? 32 13:55 Funding has to come first :-) 33 14: 37 How do you expect to get help when you turn the COMMENTS OFF??

Guyrie - building it for small groups

Gien is talking about Indyweb - a Web 3.0 stack In contrast to central servers - (broadcast) Indyweb = small trust networks (no limits) People centred Interpersonal Local First Information owned by PERSON and stored locally Give people permission to others to share Assign trust levels to different people Surf web - store locally - visiting sites as a PROCESS FB and LI stores YOUR search on THEIR server Store my own queries - as a constellation MindPlex is a current name External representation of a digital life - recorded and locally Network the mindplexes together We each have our own Mindplex Our own salient ideas Share parts of our network that are SALIENT We share information Interpersonal communications channels Indyweb - SW development project - Douglas Engelbart - Ted Nelson - transclusion - Vannavar Bush - Memex - Guyrie has a phd around these ideas INformation commons

Paul is now annotation based on clicking the text in the web page

Paul is now making an ANNOTATION

I am now making a real time annotation as Gien is speaking.

Changing a view of the file - This is also a philosophical invitation - to see the information as WHOLE

Gien is talking about PERSONAL TRUST networks

SALIENCE

PERSONAL perspectives in SMALL GROUPS

Gien, here is me testing placing an annotation on this page.

I will spend more time on the video and annotate in real time in a few days.

I am very excited at this potential

These views are the ones I see from the window of where I lived. My hope is to move into a piece of land that borders the Lough. The place is called Cluanmoylan.

The music is so haunting. It is the opening music to the movie Michael Collins. Irish music lands deeply in my soul.