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  1. Sep 2022
    1. A process of communication is basically one of transformation

      This applies not only to fairytales, but all communication in general. When communicating a message, people can try to word it to avoid as much misunderstanding as possible, but it is inevitable that some details may be lost. But communication with the intent to entertain is even more susceptible to changes, because one person may find a certain aspect more entertaining than the other, or find a detail suitable to add, and stories can naturally evolve following what each person finds to be an improvement on the story.

    2. uses this information both to expose and conceal the problematic nature of social relations.

      I think it's interesting he says "both to expose and conceal". When allegories use magic and animals as their subjects, it can often make a very severe and upsetting moral more palatable. It is easier to think of a talking wolf in a forest than real-life predator. But at the same time, a fantastical setting also makes harmful messages like victim-blaming and sexism easier to dismiss as "just a story".

    3. This brings me back to that quote by C.S. Lewis: "Let villains be soundly killed in the end." Fairytales, when they end happily, are often full of themes of justice and good triumphing over evil, because humans have an innate desire to see things shake out fairly in the end, for good to be rewarded for being good. I don't think it's necessarily unethical to encourage people to do good and have hope.

    1. As we know,tales do not only speak to us, they inhabit us and become relevant inour struggles to resolve conflicts that endanger our happiness.

      After putting this in the context of shifting blame onto the rape victim, the memes propagated in popular media suddenly seem much more powerful, and potentially dangerous and disturbing.

    2. a tailor must kill a giant or beasts, otherwisehe will be killed himself; a daughter must flee the incestuous desires ofher father; a woman's children are killed or taken from her because shedoes not show the proper behavior; a man is transformed into a beastbecause he is not compliant; a young girl is raped and killed by a wolf.

      the originals were really much darker, which I guess reflects the culture of the time and that fairytales weren't originally just written for children. Still shocking.

    3. Paradoxically, the airytale creates disorder ro create order and, at the same «™.m g,ve vo. eto Utopian wishes and to ponder instinctual drives and gender, ethnicfamily and social conflicts.

      Through the stereotypical villians of the era, you can tell what aspects and what kinds of people were demonized.

    4. so memorable that it appears to be transmitted natu-y \ our minds to communicate information that alerts us to payention to a specific given situation on which our lives may depend.

      I think its interesting that Zipes says these fairytales have become so ingrained in our minds that they become part of the human subconscious

    5. Its condition is relative and determined culturally and biologically in a historical evolutionary process that revealshow we value things through mental and public representation.

      Thinking about how fairytales evolve over time to fit the era in which they are told. I think it's really interesting how Zipes goes one step further and talks about how it reflects the values of the period.