Seven decades
I had no idea it had been around that long! But I suppose in the long run that's not actually that old, but I was under the impression it was much younger than that for some reason.
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compass.onlinelibrary.wiley.com compass.onlinelibrary.wiley.com
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MBTI and, in service of the point that typing can foster positive feelings, presenting results of a study suggesting that parenting is improved when parents think their children belong to a coveted zodiac typ
OH YES! You can look it up! They have these charts of what personalities are compatible with who, almost just like with zodiac signs! That probably should’ve been the first sign to me something was off here to be completely honest. I feel like this is a bit unprofessional?
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it is hard to see how people would not be better off using something that more clearly would account for variance in that outcome (like a direct measure of career satisfaction, or measuring traits like responsibility, independence, persistence, emotional stability, maximizing vs. satisficing, and so forth).
Using MTBI would probably just waste time, even IF you believed in it, because there are just better alternatives out there. Why not just cut out the middle man and be more efficient?
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MBTI is sold not necessarily on its theoretical rigor but on its ability to help its users
Though this is true, I cannot really see how it is "helping" it's users? At best it is taking it's users data, with their permission, and now their money (because yes, you do now have to pay to take the test on their offical website I believe, though there are free alternatives). There might be a way around the pay wall, or it migh be one of those, do the whole test and then pay to see the results type thing. I'm not going to waste my own time to figre it out again, but I remeber it being something along those lines. Personally, I don’t think this is very ethical. I can give grace and understanding to the orignal psychologist, since the field just was not were it was today, but this is just not the same. It's probably not a lot of money, but it just doesn’t set right with me personally.
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have pointed out that the vague and positive nature of MBTI type descriptions might lend themselves to Forer effects (Forer, 1949), where a number of the descriptions might seem correct.
I've been thinking about this for sometime as well! When writing, since as a hobby I write fanfiction, somtimes to try and keep the characters as close to cannon as possible I would try to use MBTI (because thats all I was familiar with), and sometimes I would just get fustrated with how vauge it was! Nothing really seemed to make sense, so I just sort of just abandoned the idea.
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control over the output of the process.
Well of course some of them are! But I want to know what my personality really is! I work off an honor code. That's why I forgot or ignored that bit about how you can basically just skip the test completley and just pick the personality out for your self.
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“hidden” personality and the necessity of using the official assessment to do so,
Gosh this is just so scummy! It just feels like they're using the guise of authority to take advantage of people's ignorance!
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n fact, The Myers-Briggs Company uses the rate at which assessment takers agree with their assigned type as evidence for the assessment's validity
I'm not an expert or anything, but that sounds sort of fishy to me...
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That is, if someone does not agree with the type suggested by the MBTI, he or she can pick a different type.
I'm sorry? YOU CAN WHAT?! Yeah, I think I'll just go shopping at the personality store and pick out a new one? They have desinger personalities now? This sentence hit me like a wet sack of fish.
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When Intuition is being used, the perceiver focuses on concepts, ideas, and theories, inferring connections among diverse pieces of information. With little conscious effort, a person who prefers intuitive perception moves quickly and easily from what is present in the here and now to what is implied and possible in the future. Without exercising considerable conscious effort, a person who prefers Intuition has difficulty memorizing and using facts without putting them into an interesting, meaningful context. Intuition is a process that is less experienced and interested in acquiring, remembering, and using facts and details for their own sake.
Hmm how fascinating... Especially since I am supposedly an INTP, but since I am autistic, I actually memorize and use facts with great ease! Sometimes even seemingly "useless" ones, even ones I don’t find particularly useful, I just hold onto them somewhere and occasionally one will just pop up as like a shower thought like "fun-fact." Though my evidence would be anecdotal, this was an example of unproven claim.
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This is quite important, because, to the extent that “thinking” (T) and “feeling” (F) are not actually opposites, it does not make sense to say that people are born with a preference for one or the other, since the “or” is no longer meaningful.
That’s what I was thinking! As a matter of fact, it might be rather harmful to say something like that to someone? How might it feel to hear that you're not much of a thinker or you're not quite as much of a feeling person you thought you were just because a test said so? A secure, self aware, and maybe well educated adult might be able to make the distinction that these two "personality traits" aren’t mutually exclusive, but an insecure teenager or somone else who is also more venerable to this sort of thing might not be able to see through this!
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Relatedly, the definitions that are offered for MBTI dichotomies tend to be defined with unfounded claims,
I was curious about this. I have been sitting here wondering how some of these conclusions were reached and this makes sense unfortunately.
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as he saw the personality types at least in part as products of the collective unconscious, which he saw as dissociable from the biology of the individual
I think it's fascinating how he's not entirely false here, but I would love to have been able to be able to pick at his brain to see how he got to this conclusion. It likely was more akin to, using the wrong equation to get a number that almost looks right. That sort of feels like what the theme of this article has been and how this MTBI has been perpetuated for so long despite being inaccurate. It's almost there, but it just keeps missing in very large and important detail. Though for his time it's to be expected, for the company now, it's not so acceptable.
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However, Strohminger et al. (2017) also eloquently explain why this point of view is more metaphorical than actual. They find that what people consider to be part of the “true self” is dependent on context and highly subjective
That makes way more sense!? I mean, especially in an awkward social situation sometimes we have all had to say a little white lie. Whether it's masking and saying you feel better than you actualy do are putting up with a partner for a class project in like middle school we've all been there, but that doesn't actually impact your actualy personality, so why should that factor on the MBTI at all? Money probably.
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In suggesting that the self can be sorted into “true” vs. “not true” components,
I think this is an interesting claim, because it's not entirely not true. People are more than capable of coming up with all sorts of cognitive distortions, especially surrounding addictions, like those to cigarettes. Both of my parents smoke, and I've heard seen this sort of behaviour of like "yes I know smoking is bad, but this one guy smoked and lived till he was 90." But I'm just wondering how they came to that conclusion, and they probaly aren’t talking about what I am...
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Marketing materials
Just reading the words "marketing materials" just rubs me the wrong way. Especially with something that is seventy years old! I know that there are free tests since I've taken them, I would never pay for a personality test for just myself. I mean, maybe this is just reffering to ads? But ads make me mad too...
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created before modern conceptualizations of falsification and empirical verification
Yeah, that explains a lot. Their contributions were important step forward, but that is a very important peice of context I often forget.
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Thinking involves utilizing pragmatism and logic; feeling involves values and others' points of view.
These two things are not mutally exluisve though?! Some people I'm sure may be more inclined towards one or another, but it is possible to do both?
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Though this claim is difficult (and costly, given fees likely involved) to verify independently, either way, if the MBTI theory falls apart at the conceptual level, any results from its assessment, even if they are reliable, are difficult to interpret.
Anecdotally I've gotten the same results; however, I'm not saying they were entirely accurate though! The latest Big Five said I was an extrovert. But my MBTI is an INTP... I litterally JUST took the MTBI just last fall. To be fair, over the years when I have retaken the quiz, INTP has been the result (or INTJ) is usually what I get. But I think we're missing the forest for the trees.
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The MBTI is officially taken by two million people a year (including people in 89 of the Fortune 100 companies) and generates revenues of $20 million a year (Stromberg & Caswell, 2015).
I can certainly see that! I would use it as a tool to make my characters more life like, but now I think I'll use the 5 factor modle or the Heraco models instead.
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(formerly known until late 2018 as CPP)
Hmm... wonder why they changed names? Wonder if it was trademark or copywrite or some other whitecolar stuff?
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Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI).
I remeber taking this in my freshman year of highschool for an ACA class (college prep course).
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