men trying to manipulate the queen by also maneuvering through Abigail and Sarah.
What are the lengths someone would go to gain some power or the favor of those in power?
men trying to manipulate the queen by also maneuvering through Abigail and Sarah.
What are the lengths someone would go to gain some power or the favor of those in power?
those that “loved” her did not know how to handle her.
the burdens that come with having power
returns to her ladylike frocks when she returns to beg Anne for forgiveness;
Needs to make it seem like Anne is the man in the situation and she is the lowly woman.
The trousers put her in the power position as she occupies the domain of men
It's crazy that an article of clothing can mean so much, can wield so much power.
Women’s weapons are most effective.
Some gender roles stay the same
Sarah and Abigail also use their frequent pigeon shooting outings in the same way men often do: to size each other up and display dominance.
Complete flip of gender roles
uses sex as a tool of manipulation in the same ways we now consider inappropriate
Sounds very much like men in today's society
While her gout leaves her in pain for much of the film, she spends the rest of the time whining, complaining, and indulging her most fanciful whims, including a repulsive scene in which she gorges herself on an elaborate cake, throws it up into a bucket then returns to bingeing in earnest
Hilarious at how they poke fun at how immature men really are
Abigail must do whatever is necessary to ensure that she will no longer be subjected to the whims of lesser men.
Tug of war over power between women and men
Anne’s position as the head of state allows her unprecedented reach and control, despite the film’s depiction of her as both a dilettante and a dolt.
Rare:woman in power
Back in those days it wasn’t such a big thing, either. It wasn’t talked about so much as now. It just happened. I don’t think they paid so much attention to it.”
I thought it was somewhat of a big deal? Will have to look further into
Lanthimos says that the matter of the Queen’s same-sex affairs isn’t teated as scandalous, but simply part of the story.
This is very interesting as same-sex affairs in this time were very taboo. This was an bold move
no films ever made with three women leads
Why is that?
“Provocative… I used to be defensive about it, but in the end I realised it’s exactly right. It’s what we’re trying to do – to provoke thought and discussion and, you know, shake people up to start thinking about things in a different way. I’m interested in messing with what they think is the norm.”
This is very interesting to think about and go back to film with. There are so many things that are far out of the norm for that time period and even in today's time.
To this day, he avoids artificial lighting and doesn’t use makeup – unless, as in The Favourite, the actors are playing characters who are themselves manifestly slathered in powder and rouge.
Goes against his usual style. He is very different, most films wish to cover up the imperfections and make things less natural. Lanthimos strives to make things as natural as can be.
“to infuse the scenes and actors with an unpredictability that I find is there in real life, but isn’t there when you sit down and intellectualise a scene or a role”.
These methods are insane, but have fanned out beautifully in the film.
but if they’re shown as human beings, there’s no judgment.”
A lot of pressure put on the fact that he would be representing women.
I thought: it’s not going to be film-making, but it’s going to be close.”
Crazy how far he has come
That is, I think, the only way to represent people in films. Not black or white.
Very interesting to see characters in this way, that is not done too often.
It was very important to create the characters so that they go through a journey in different times during the film.
Definitely makes sense, I was left guessing until the very end.
but when I’m a different person 15 years from now, there is some kind of distance that allows you to appreciate certain things.
This kind of relates to how we are working on this project, how we watch the film and then do some research, watch again and it is a completely different film.
What I do is maybe watch my films like 10, 15 years later and just see things.
wow
I never try to say anything with the films that I do.
This is very surprising because this film has so much to say and so many issues of today's world the ring as true back then as well. There are many different topics in this film that should be discussed: power, motivation for power, gender roles, girl power!
comedy with a tragedy interweaved in some parts of it.
Good explanation of the film
If we’re making a fictional film, and we’re creating a world, why can’t we have our own rules about this world?
Made a goal to not be strictly accurate.
We tried to use language that felt contemporary, and we didn’t try to imitate the way we thought people spoke at the time
This makes a lot of sense. I was very surprised by some of the comments made throughout this film
The dancing is definitely not accurate to the period
Where some of the accuracy had to be let go. I was definitely surprised by the dance when I first saw it.
But it felt interesting to show that contradiction. It’s different from what we’re used to seeing.
Exposing the men
It was so tiring, seeing all these films about men and politics and people that run things.
Girl Power! Central theme in this film.
Those power dynamics in little groups of people feel like something you’ve always been interested in, in your movies
Recurring theme of Lanthimos's style
what we keep from the history and the things that we invent; the story we want to tell and where we want to focus; and how we are going to simplify the politics so that it is evident it’s affected by the women’s relationships but also feels relevant to any period.
A lot of different aspects going into this film. Need to keep some sort of accuracy, but also tell a story. I imagine this was very hard.
very elaborately representing the politics and the actual, [historical] story in minute detail.
Very different from the final version
I came across the existing screenplay and I felt that it was a very interesting story, with very interesting characters.
Explains why he did not write it, it was already written.
dim view of human nature and the sense that human relationships are always, at root, about power.
Important themes, deeper meaning.
rigorously bleak assessment of human motivations and behavior.
Very important themes!!!
Lanthimos, his camera gliding through gilded corridors and down stone staircases — in exquisitely patterned light and shadow, with weird lenses and startling angles — choreographs an elaborate pageant of decorum and violence, claustrophobia and release. The law of the kingdom is mutability, signified by the many names its sovereign and her subjects are called by. Sarah is Lady Marlborough, and also Mrs. Freeman. The Queen is Mrs. Morley. Abigail plots to marry a handsome doofus (Joe Alwyn), hoping to acquire a title of her own. No identity or value is fixed. Alliances shift like the weather. Fortunes rise and fall. Beauty transmutes into ugliness and back again. Love is a synonym for domination, or maybe for submission.
Contrasts all throughout the film. This is a roller coaster ride!
The queen is imprisoned by grief, by tradition, by her own uncooperative body. She is also a free spirit.
Stark contrasts
But it’s also true that the queen is the only person in England capable of — or entitled to — sincerity. She alone is able to mean what she says and to get what she wants.
This is very shocking, but at the same time makes sense as she is the Queen.
The most abject figure in this universe is the queen herself, whose illnesses, eccentricities and neuroses make her seem helpless and pathetic, easy prey for opportunists like Abigail and Sarah, who push her wheelchair and tend to her moods.Image
Interesting how The Queen is the highest power in the country and yet has almost no power at all
They transport the viewer into a world where conventional distinctions — between private feeling and public display, between honesty and guile, between life and theater — do not apply.
This is very noticeable throughout. Need to go back and look for more
Sarah, who has known the queen since they were children, is her lover as well as her adviser in governmental matters. An ally of the parliamentary leader (James Smith) and the wife of an important military commander (Mark Gatiss), she pushes for war with France and heavy taxes on landowners.
It seems as though Sarah has far too much power
Anne, plagued by gout, grief and self-pity, functions as the hypotenuse of a discreet erotic and political triangle
The sentence sums it up perfectly
Even with Anne (Olivia Colman) as head of state, patriarchy rules the realm,
Definitely present throughout. I was very surprised at how little power the Queen had
Lanthimos, a Greek director
Important to his directing style
affairs of state and of the flesh, both of which figure prominently here
important themes!
Yorgos Lanthimos narrates
Very interesting that they went through training for the guns and surprising how many elements are in one scene.
audacious final reveal, the story wraps up a little abruptly, resulting in a muted denouement
I definitely was not expecting for it to wrap up like it did. What is the reason for this?
as he relays tales of mounting public opposition to the queen, on account of her decision to raise taxes (at Sarah’s behest) to continue waging war on France.
Brought some reality back to the court and the story
but who arrogantly underestimates the women he hopes to manipulate.
Woman power!
“I like it when she puts her tongue inside me.”
Crazy to hear a "queen" say that!
But despite Abigail’s ulterior motive, there’s a moving tenderness to her courtship of the queen, which comes to stand in stark contrast to Sarah’s matronly bedside manner.
Different types of love
Sarah is directly combative, while Abigail maintains an air of sweetness and decorum even as her scheming grows diabolical.
We see which tactic eventually wins out
But when the heartbreaking reason for this is later revealed, it affords Colman the opportunity to transform Anne in an instant from grotesque caricature to fully formed tragic figure
This really was heartbreaking, but an amazing transformation
Lanthimos treats his characters here with a degree of compassion, rather than regard them with his usual smirking indifference.
Worth looking into. This is very different from his usual style.
unflinching fixation on the queen’s increasingly diseased and defective body.
Definitely a main theme throughout
resembling a voguing contest.
Would have never thought of this, but it makes sense!
The film also recalls Sofia Coppola’s Marie Antoinette in its sly anachronistic flourishes;
Good reference to another film.
notably the first of Lanthimos’s films to be written by others,
Very important to know! Howe different would it have been had Lanthimos written it?
to assert his idiosyncratic worldview.
Definitely present throughout the film.
themes of casual cruelty and petty jealousy among the idle aristocracy are more familiar
Worth looking more into
relatively historically accurate to boot.
Answers my question! Not completely accurate, but with some accuracy.
Adding to the sense of unpredictability is the film’s cheeky reversal of traditional gender roles
This was very surprising. Is this more of a main theme?
isheye lenses, Steadicam, panning, dolly shots, rapid montage.
Need to watch again and take note
The majority of the film is shot from extreme low angles, rendering the bejeweled and heavily painted actors larger than life.
Interesting filming tactic, need to go back and look for.
also his first film written by other people.
How different would it have been had Lanthimos actually written it?
The Favourite is also Lanthimos’ first foray into an all-out period piece
I thought this film was very good considering it was his first one like it. Is it much different from other films similar to this?
Abigail, also based on a real person
So there is some truth to this film. Answers my question
gout.
Look more into gout
Sarah alternately lavishes with affection and scolds like a child.
Could not believe this when I saw it!
does count discomfort and disorientation among the most reliable tools in his directorial kit.
Very interesting, will have to look into other films to watch for discomfort
“Cut out his tongue and eat it.” “Which is sort of cannibalism,” says Masterson, laughing. “I was just so horrified by that. But he thought it was funny.
Very dark humor
Song Kang-ho said everybody thinks this is a wall, but actually this is a door, and then they explode it and go out. If we erase the borderline between the door and the wall …”
Need to watch for in movie
“That process allows him to fully control what the cut is going to be, and the result ends up being very original,”
Control is very important to him
The protagonists fight back with debris and Molotov cocktails in a scene clearly plucked from the director’s activist days.
Movie relates to own life
Clouds of tear gas were a near-daily presence during Bong’s first two years on campus.
I can’t imagine having to endure this. We are extremely lucky.
College campuses were regular battlegrounds where students demonstrated for the expansion of democratic rights, labor unions, and reunification with North Korea.
Why weren’t more people fighting for this? Why just college students?
“Before it’s a massive, sociological term, capitalism is just our lives.”
Never thought about it this way before
In his view, our world is already a dystopia, and all tragedy and comedy flows from this fact.
Strong opinion. It does sometimes feel like this though
Bong’s work reflects anxieties he feels every day
Films are very personal to him, no one would ever know if not told
like a candy bar with a razor blade tucked inside.
Wow! Very bold
“Only Netflix guaranteed 100 percent approval of everything to me: the final cut and the rating.”
Why do directors have so little control over their own movies?
I ask what he thinks of the fact that no Korean film has ever been nominated for an Oscar despite the country’s outsize influence on cinema in the past two decades.
Something that should be talked about more
After all, he felt a little like Okja, the titular pig, going from Korea to New York only to get dragged all the way to Paramus in order to get sliced and diced for mass consumption. But as the story would have it, both the pig and the movie survived intact.
Interesting comparison
Instead of a wide release, it got a limited one.
This seems petty
Let’s cut out more.’”
Why cut out more if there is already confusion?
I’m dedicating this shot to my father.”
Very violent scene for a dedication
train guard guts a fish in front of the rebels as a show of intimidation.
Need to watch for this scene.
“Let’s cut out the dialogue.”
Compliment just to take down
‘Harvey Scissorhands,’
Big difference in two styles!
Bong Joon-ho and Harvey Weinstein
Why do they both want it?