On 2022-02-04 12:11:30, user Tim Nies wrote:
We thank the Team of Alizée Malnoë for their work and appreciate their feedback. Below you can find our answers to the points made in the review
Comments<br />
We suggest moving part of the model validation section of the<br />
results, shown in Figures 8 (and 9), to the start of the manuscript.<br />
This rearrangement would show the reader that the mathematical model<br />
used in the in silico simulations can accurately reproduce<br />
experimental data, before the parameter-dependent changes to NPQ and<br />
ՓPSII are simulated. In the current arrangement, the reader needs to<br />
have prior knowledge that the changes in NPQ and ՓPSII shown in the<br />
simulations are accurate, before the herein updated model has been<br />
validated.
Answer: This is a good point! We changed the order of the section<br />
accordingly.
- Fig8. Regarding the validation of the mathematical model by comparing to<br />
experimental PAM measurements with different SP durations, or<br />
different delays of AL onset from Fm measurement, with the simulated<br />
data: what is the rationale for choosing these, how about testing the<br />
other parameters such as AL intensity and frequency of SP? Please<br />
comment on the impact of the different parameters on e.g. the NPQ<br />
measurement and rank them by stronger to lower effect based on your<br />
simulations and experiments. Also a historical perspective/physiological relevance of delaying the SP from actinic onset would be welcome! How about giving recommendation to researchers in the field to have Fm determination/SP right at onset<br />
of illumination, with no delay, to prevent further confusion (and<br />
similarly have the final SP in AL on, followed by AL off with no<br />
delay).
Answer: We started the project as simulation study and then decided<br />
which experiments to perform for underlining our point. We chose the<br />
SP durations, or different delays of AL onset from Fm measurement<br />
according to two points. 1. We wanted to include a parameter that<br />
showed an effect in our simulations and one that didn’t. 2. We also<br />
talked with our collaborators, which of the parameters would be<br />
easily measured with their equipment. To rank the parameters by<br />
stronger to lower effect based on our simulations and experiments is<br />
a good idea! However, which parameter has the biggest impact is<br />
research question depended. A final answer can thus not be given.<br />
What we can say is that the delay before and after switching on and<br />
off the actinic light has the biggest impact in our simulations. It<br />
is necessary to give recommendation for future use of PAM devices.<br />
However, in this manuscript we decided not to give them, because this<br />
needs a previous discussion with multiple researcher working in many<br />
fields ( a consortium)
- Line 326. Regarding the use of another model of photosynthesis, we found<br />
this very interesting and suggest that a comparison of the<br />
simulations generated by the two mathematical models using the same<br />
set of parameters be included as a main or supplemental figure, and<br />
its description be included in the results section. The GitLab link<br />
(line 330) doesn’t specify which exact file to look at.
Answer: This is a good point! We will create a figure. We will<br />
provide a more specific path to the file in the GitLab.
- Line 127. “We have used 500 µmol s−1 m−2 as the default light<br />
intensity of AL.” For simulations, an intensity of 500 µmol m−2<br />
s−1 was used, but for experiments (line 152) “The intensity of<br />
red AL was set at approx. 457 µmol m−2 s−1”. We understand<br />
that matching the actinic light during the experiment to 500 µmol<br />
m−2s−1 cannot be possible, alternatively we suggest that the<br />
simulations be carried out at 457 µmol m−2 s−1 for sake of<br />
consistency. Importantly, is 457 µmol m−2 s−1 the value given by<br />
the manufacturer for the chosen setting, and did you measure it to<br />
confirm its value? (depending on instrument calibration, usage and<br />
age, the light output can be different than set)
Answer: Thank you for this suggestion we changed the default value in<br />
the simulation from 500 to 457 µmol m−2 s−1. We asked<br />
our collaborators to check the light intensity.
- Line 204, 205. “The calculated steady-state NPQ values are higher for SP<br />
intensities below 3000 µmol s−1 m−2”, according to Fig.5, it<br />
seems that the threshold is rather 2000, than 3000 (or 4000).
Answer: Thank you for your comment we will discuss the exact value again. Our<br />
first impression was that it could be actually a little bit lower than the value given in the manuscript.
- Fig7. To test the “actinic effect” of SP duration, we would suggest to<br />
perform a simulation with AL=100 µmol m−2 s−1 AL and/or AL=0 to<br />
check whether SP themselves can induce NPQ. According to Fig8A<br />
(experimental), it seems that at 0.8s, NPQ is indeed slightly higher<br />
than with shorter SP duration.
Answer: We did the simulation and included it in our simulation files. In fact, the<br />
simulation showed that only a rather small amount of NPQ is generated<br />
with AL=0.
- Line 370, a necessary addition would be to list here, or write a template<br />
of, what you suggest for minimum information is needed as standard<br />
for the community. It could be similar to Table 2, and needs to<br />
include duration of AL on, off and AL quality.
Answer: Thank you for this suggestion. We discussed about giving a<br />
list of standard information. We believe that something like this<br />
will be necessary in the future. However, to assemble a useful and<br />
complete list a previous broad discussion must be held including<br />
experimental and theoretical plant physiologist, working in a broad<br />
range of fields. All those fields using PAM can have different views<br />
on what is important. Because we are just a small group of<br />
scientists, we would not like to create such a list as part of the<br />
manuscript. However, we hope to give further impetus to such<br />
endeavors
Minor comments<br />
-Line 46. “Allow”, should be “allows”<br />
- Line 75. “Groups but also” should be “groups experimentally, but also”<br />
-Line 115. Replace higher by vascular.<br />
- Line 140. 26C is higher than standard temperature for Arabidopsis growth (22C), what’s the rationale for choosing this temperature?<br />
- Line 150. Define Fv and explain if the 5s of far red light is turned on at the very<br />
beginning of the experiment i.e. before time 0.<br />
- Line 153. “default settings (10)”, specify “set at value of” 10. We<br />
suggest writing a small table with these parameters (see major<br />
comment).<br />
- Line 161. Which leaf did you choose, younger or<br />
older? This information is important to state, see differences with<br />
leaf age for example in Bielczynski et al. Plant Phys (2017) doi:<br />
10.1104/pp.17.00904.
Answer:<br />
Thank you for your comments. We will make the suggested changes. In<br />
the experiments far-red light was used for all experiments. We used<br />
leaves of approximately the same age the plants were approx. 5 weeks old. We<br />
will double check with our experimental collaborators
-Line 173-174. We suggest that the SP time points are moved to the<br />
methods section.<br />
- Line 185-186. “In the upper panel….derived<br />
NPQ and ՓPSII”, this whole sentence can be removed as it should be<br />
clear from the figure legend.
Answer: Thank you for these comments.
Line 211. “Far more” how many did you look at?
Answer: In the current version of the manuscript we included a literature<br />
survey.
- Fig. 6. “6A and 6A”. Should be “6A and 6B”<br />
- Line 234. “Switching on AL with the first SP in light-triggered after 1 s”<br />
suggest rewording as it was unclear what light-triggered means.<br />
- Line 241. The observed effect is likely due to the total conversion<br />
of zeaxanthin to violaxanthin for long periods of dark-adaptation. <br />
- Line 243. Suggest changing “whereas” should be “however” as<br />
it is clearer.<br />
- Line 256. Define PMST.<br />
- Line 264-268. We suggest moving this block of text to the discussion section.<br />
- Line 264. “AL is another important information” should be “AL<br />
is another important piece of information”
Answer:Thank you for these comments we will implement them
-Fig. 8B and 8D. As the simulated curves seem to all overlap, and<br />
often in this study we look for fine nuances between data, we think<br />
it would be beneficial to read the simulated curve superimposed on<br />
top of the experimental data allowing a fair comparison and analysis<br />
between the two types of data. Displaying the same graphs at a larger<br />
scale would help to read them. To help in this, we propose<br />
Figure 8 to be divided in two figures, since Fig. 8A-D is related to<br />
“SP experiment” while Fig. 8E-H is related to the “delay<br />
experiment”. This would allow the size of the panels to be<br />
increased to help the reader interpret the data.
Answer: Thank you for your suggestion. We will try different setups.
-Fig. 8F and 8H. Plot titles “Delay NPQ/ՓPSII Sim lation”, should<br />
be “Delay NPQ/ՓPSII Simulation”<br />
- Fig. 9 seems to be redundant as the reader should be able to observe the difference<br />
between the two independent experiments by comparing Figure 8A and<br />
8E. We therefore suggest that Fig. 9 be removed.<br />
- Line 286. “Measurements are” should be “measurements have been”<br />
- Line 289-303. We suggest moving this block of text to the<br />
introduction section<br />
- Line 324. Replace “many” by “all”!<br />
- Line 351. “Agreements” should be “agreement”<br />
- Line 361-372. We feel that the points made in this block of text have<br />
already been made earlier in the manuscript and repeated several<br />
times. Therefore this block of text can probably be omitted as it is<br />
redundant.
Answer: Thank you for the comments we will try to make improvements
-General comments concerning the figures: we suggest adding dark/light<br />
bars to the top of most plots in Figures 3B-C, 4B-C, 6A-D, 7A-B,<br />
8A-H; as it would improve the readability/interpretation of the<br />
plotted data. Fig. 2-8, figure identifier letters are presented in a<br />
different font style than the rest of the text, throughout the<br />
document. While we recognize them to be hyperlinks, we think font<br />
style should be uniform.
Answer: Thank you for pointing this out. We will add light bar where applicable and<br />
change the font style of identifiers.
blockquote { margin-left: 1cm; margin-right: 1cm; background: transparent }p { margin-bottom: 0.25cm; line-height: 115%; background: transparent }a:link { color: #000080; so-language: zxx; text-decoration: underline }