IS there likely one true way of being British?
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What it means to be British surely depends on who you ask, where they live, what social class they belong to, etc, etc. Britishness is hardly going to have one meaning.
Most interesting when you talked about York and Edinburgh vis a vis London. Were these places more ethnically monolithic than London? What seemed provincial or peculiar about them? Try to push beyond the commonplace.
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wDiscovery
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They all still value the importance of friends and family
what are you basing this view on?
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the smallest bit differen
meaning?
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due to the fact that is in Scotland
obvious?
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Most shops close around 6pm, further emphasizing the British ideal of leisure and spending time with family & friends outside of a busy work schedule.
can you really deduce the latter from the former? Most people work an 8 hour day.
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the major parts of British culture
clarify. What are these?
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In regard to politics, they are much less polarized than Americans are.
This is a sweeping statement. What's your evidence? Many people in Britain would say that Brexit has massively polarized the nation.
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Before visiting London, I had no clue they had an underground tube system that I have now come to learn is a major aspect of being a Londoner and has an entirely different set of rules & etiquette associated with it that other British cities may not get to experience.
you need to build in transitions between ideas/sentences. What has a tube system got to do with being 'kind and accepting'?
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snobbier
meaning?
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“Londoner”
Notice that you have slipped from being British to being a Londoner.
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Interesting, but you need to acknowledge your sources. Did you come across Amy Johnson at the IWM? Weren't there other female pilots in non-combat roles during WWII?
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unseen
unheard
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Florence Nightingale
she died in 1910 before WWI
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Thorough and well-researched paper, even if the actual writing is rather rough in places.
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The UK claims to have “decolonized” and moved past imperialism
source?
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return
wrong word. Reclaim?
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It detailed
The poem explains...
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the horrors of imperialism.
How? Taking the marbles may have been wrong, but how was it horrific?
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At the time, Turkish Ottomans had control over Greece.
Explain the realtionship between the British and Ottoman empires. Were they rivals? Allies?
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The unit that encompassed this topic
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the Turkish Ottomans in control of these small European islands.
This is an important point that you need to introduce earlier.
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Britain
Did Britain 'decide' or Lord Elgin? Was he acting on behalf of the British gov? These sorts of questions really matter.
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the British reached Greece
What role did Britain have in governing Greece at this time?
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What do you know about Greece in 1801? Was it the Greece we know today? Had it been taken over by another empire?
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in this time period.
What time period? The museum was opened this century.
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Violence against women is everywhere in the media and in entertainment. There are plenty of shows about men who murder women. Are the people who make them just as culpable as the owners of the Ripper Museum?
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While I applaud your stance, I want to see more evidence-based argument than just assertions. Even if you didn't visit in person, you can still go to the website and read online reviews from supporters and critics.
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the true emotion of the historical time period it shows.
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praise
In what way does the museum praise the Ripper?
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ponders
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honored
again you need evidence to make this point stick
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In light of the legal system, I really don’t understand what sense it makes to create a museum to honor and remember someone who disastrously broke the law and ruined so many families.
Unclear. Are you suggesting the museum is illegal? How do you know it 'honors' Jack the Ripper? Did you go inside? If so, give details.
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In this situation, I truly feel sorry for the families who had to first deal with their family member being murdered, and in addition to it, had to be informed that a museum that would honor the women who were killed would be transformed into a museum dedicated to Jack the Ripper himself.
When did the murders take place? Are there any relatives of the victims still alive? Again, some research required.
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attraction
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much less
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they
who are 'they'?
Tell us about the history of the change. Who owned the property? Who were the investors? I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to find this information out.
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As far as the whole reason of why
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to project that what he did was indeed horrific
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First, when I think about being a family member of the women who were murdered and them seeing the man who killed their loved one being glorified over their loved one being remembered, it makes me feel terrible for them.
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When we originally learned that the Jack the Ripper museum was originally supposed to be dedicated to the women murdered and remembering them rather than the murderer himself, I was very shocked that this was not reversed back to its original purpose as a result of people protesting the change.
I thought it was originally meant to be a Women's History Museum.
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Do you have any actual evidence for your claim that Eton and Oxford are still dominated by elite, monied families? Both institutions make a big deal about an anonymous selection process that only takes account of the child's personality, abilities, and promise. Does this seem to be working?
A question worth asking is why don't more kids from schools like St Paul's end up attending places like Eton and Oxford if the primary school, as you say, is actually doing a very good job?
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quality
you use the word 'quality' several times in the essay (three times in this final para alone) without spelling out what makes the school special. It's not a very helpful adjective.
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clearly prefer wealthier students in attendance.
Perhaps, in so far as wealthy students make for wealthy alums and wealthy donors. But Oxford is supposed to admit students on academic merit alone.
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The school was also much more diverse than Eton
'm not sure this is true. St Paul's school was for the most part mono-cultural--made up of kids from predominantly Bangaladshi backgrounds. Eton on the other hand may well have a majority of white students, but it also has students from many different countries, races, and ethnic groups.
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the bottom of the chain
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our
what do you mean by this?
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The paper is okay, but could be more interesting if you had developed some sort of a focused argument. Rather than simply saying there are similarities and differences between the 2 systems, perhaps set up an argument about how the English primary system is superior to the US system, but higher ed in the US has many advantages over its UK counterpart. Another approach might be to think more carefully about the role of religion in the two systems. It seems odd that the US supposedly upholds the separation of Church and State yet requires all students to recite a pledge that mentions God. In the UK, on the other hand, the three institutions you visited were all established with explicitly religious missions yet today religion plays a very different role in each of them.
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they
Who is 'they'?
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pushed down our throats
slang. Is this emphasis on higher ed in the US a middle- class phenomenon or does it include all social groups?
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never addressing other religions while still requiring students
But surely students in some American High Schools get to study different religious traditions in courses like Social Studies? I'm not sure the differences are as stark as you present them. You also have to ask whether St Paul's school is typical in adopting this curriculum.
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much less of a religious divide and blatant intolerance between different religion
be more specific: what religions are you thinking of? What evidence do you have for religious intolerance? Cite examples. Back up assertions with evidence.
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This system allows students much more flexibility and independence in their studies.
but do you see any disadvantages? The 6th form system requires students to specialize at a much earlier stage than in the US.
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n England, school kids took the “eleven plus exam” when they are eleven years-old which determines whether they go on to a grammar school (more academic curriculum) or a secondary school (more vocational curriculum).
This was the exam I had to take c.1971. For the most part, it has now been phased out
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monarchy
the monarch is only the head of the ruling class or aristocracy
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no such institution that existed in America
there are a few that come close. For example, Phillips Academy in Andover, MA, and other expensive and prestigious Prep schools.
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popular figures
as well as several prime ministers and many important figures in the nation's political, intellectual, artistic, and sporting life
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some images would be nice. The whole point of Scalar is that it's multi-media!
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The education systems in the United States and Britain are very different. Both push their students to achieve their goals and help set themselves up for their future, but the way they go about it is really pretty different. As with most things both systems could be improved by taking some pointers from each other and I believe as time moves on the gap between the two will become smaller and smaller.
A more interesting way of framing the paper would be to argue that in terms of early childhood education Britain leads the way, but in terms of higher ed the US system is better (more inclusive and flexible).
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Another thing that the primary school taught that I believe is extremely important is nutrition. In schools in the United States most kids have to take a health class of some sorts, but that really pales in comparison to how they are teaching Health and Nutrition in Britain. The primary school had a kitchen, garden, and even chickens to help teach the children about fueling your body properly. We got to stop in on a class in the kitchen and they were learning how to make things like fresh guacamole and smashed peas. It was really inspiring to see these kids learning, and even embracing, a healthy lifestyle. With the obesity problem in the United States it is more important now, than ever, to be helping our children learn how to live a healthier lifestyle.
interesting. Can you relate health education to the school's mission of educating the whole person: mind, body, and spirit?
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private Catholic, Christain, Jewish school etc.
These are faith schools that teach you that their particular religion is the Truth. They aren't educating kids in a scholarly, neutral way about different religious traditions.
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The children are taught different religions, languages, and cultures
Be more specific. What age groups are being taught what exactly? And how are they being taught about religion? When do they start learning foreign languages?
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good moral compasses
sounds like kids have actual compasses implanted in their brains!
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as well as, visit
and visited
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had to have been the week we got to tour
was the one in which we toured
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but still require that they worship in the chapel
Are you saying that Jewish pupils have to attend Protestant services for example?
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Some of these were Judaism, Christianity, Ancient Greek, Ancient Egyptian, and Islamic religions. I was so blown away by the execution and impact of these classes, it made me want to write a piece of legislature right then and there.
Aren't world religions covered in social studies or other kinds of classes in American schools?
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you make some intriguing points, but they could be organized and presented more effectively. Make it clear at the outset that your topic is the religious basis of the British educational system. Perhaps start with Eton and Oxford, their foundation as religiously inspired institutions, and the continuing role that religion plays. Then turn to St Paul's as an example of an originally C of E school that now handles religion in a very different way.
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Each one of these colleges has their own house, dining halls and food, tutor system, and students but are still a part of the University of Oxford. Looking at the school system from a religious standpoint, it was certainly less impacted than the other two. About 27% of the colleges have their own chapel, an impressive number if you think of it from the aspect of university owned property. Additionally, their motto – seen everywhere, is “Dominus illuminatio mea” meaning “The Lord is my Light.” When talking to our tour guide, an Oxford grad himself, he informed me that less than 12% of their students study theology,
interesting section with helpful facts and details
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it was certainly less impacted than the other two.
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the pier of the Thames
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and tolerant of
educated about and understood other religious traditions...
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mental health aspect
was this actually a class?
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residing
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as the ruler of the UK
The queen is in no sense the 'ruler of the UK.' Her official title is: 'Elizabeth II, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of her other realms and territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith.'
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You have some interesting insights, but you overlook the role of religion in 'everyday British life,' which is what you propose to discuss at the beginning.
I agree that British monarchy is an intrinsically religious institution. But surely it would make more sense to compare British prime ministers with American presidents in terms of religion. Historically, British politicians have always been far less willing to talk about their faith than American politicians. Ironically, even though America is the country theoretically committed to the separation of church and state, American political discourse is informed far more by religious ideas and appeals than is the British equivalent.
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Even today, we still have yet to see a Jewish or Muslim president.
or even a non-religious or openly atheist president.
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society.
But the monarch has no real power any more. What's more, she rarely makes religious statements, and when she does they tend to embrace all religious faiths.
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who plays a big part of British identity,
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Another example
of what?
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A monarch’s coronation is a perfect example of how something that is so central to British identity, the monarchy, is rooted in religion. While higher powers in the US, such as the president, sometimes invoke religious phrases or traditions, it is nowhere near the same extent as in the UK.
Is the coronation of the monarch part of "everyday society" (the term you use in your first sentence)?
Shouldn't you point out that the American constitution is founded on the separation of church and state?
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was the presence of religion ...
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Your essay is a collection of rather scattered and random thoughts about Oxford. I wonder if you could find a more interesting way of organizing your observations around a central point? Maybe something along the lines of: Oxford is a unique blend of British tradition and British innovation; or, Oxford brought together many of the course themes because the city has played such a central role in the nation's history.
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Did you visit the museum and, if not, did you read up about it? It's unclear what sources and evidence you are basing your analysis on. It's hard to justify a controversial institution unless you have a basic understanding of its nature and function.
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Honestly I think shifting the focus of the museum was beneficial. Both are tourist and a woman, I find it way more interesting that there is a museum about Jack the Ripper than about women’s history.
again, a confusing sentence.
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As bizarre as it may sounds, crime is something that sell and attractts a lot people.
you need to PROOF READ carefully to avoid basic writing errors.
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Cereal Killer Cafe.
interesting, but where is this cafe in relation to the ripper museum?
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Class War organization protested a Halloween event taking place at the museum in fall of 2015
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The only explanation provided was that the museum needed a stronger central focus. The museum would still include information about women, however it needed something to draw people in.
Who said this? What sources and evidence do you have?
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It was not known until the unveiling of museum that people found out the true motive of museum.
confusing sentence. Words missing?
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founded
intended to be (it was never actually founded)
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the rise of tabloid media
evidence? Are you saying that tabloid media developed in response to the murders?
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Interesting. You seem reluctant to take a stand at the end of the essay. Finally, where do you come down on the question? What would you do?
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not taken in the proper way
what do you mean by this?
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the British government
was Elgin acting on behalf of the government or as a private individual?
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was fake
explain
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they
who is 'they'? clarify.
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they were made
when? How old are they?
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Quite interesting, Matt. It would help if you could give some more context at the outset about the school and its neighborhood. Do you think it's a problem that the school is mostly made up of kids from one ethnic group? What could be done about this? I agree that the school is exemplary and perhaps unusual in the way it tries to develop the whole person--intellectually, physically, and emotionally. And it also understands that a child's problems in school are often connected to family life. Hence teachers' efforts to educate parents as well as children. It's a very holistic approach to education.
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in London
where in London? Tell us about the neighborhood and its history.
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What I found to be the most impressive at the primary school was how they handle the students’ mental health and behavior issues.
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many diverse communities
can you give examples of others?
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I found it interesting the amount of Bangladesh people in the area surrounding the school but learning about how the end of the British imperial empire and colonization of other countries makes sense as to why the population of Bangladesh people increased.
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both concepts of education
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discuss about other concepts
teach more controversial subjects
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A well conceived paper, Lauren. It might be worth pointing out that when women do get represented it is often as objects of illicit male sexual desire. Are the leering sailors at one end of a spectrum that has Jack the Ripper at the other extreme?
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viewers
readers?
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After going on a Jack-the-Ripper Tour in the East End of London, I found a book that attempted to re-write the wrongs that the victims had faced
good, but can you make a better connection between your new discussion and the discussion of the painting?
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The act of painting over these women erases their part in art and history.
Good point. Any ideas about why Pidding did this?
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punishment coat
coat of shame
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are literally being
tense: 'have literally been painted over'
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wrong
in unflattering ways.
Are you thinking about the representation of women in painting, or in various media? Clarify.
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women
woman. PROOF READ!!!
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need for women to be able to vote.
women weren't needed to vote. They wanted or demanded to vote. Women were needed to work in munitions factories etc.
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increasing need for women
you seem to change focus in the middle of the essay. You'd be better off in a short essay making it clear from the outset that your focus is on the impact of the two world wars on the position of women in British society.
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So didn't women's status change in the US as a result of the wars?
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eventually led to women holding positions of office. There is no better example of this than The Iron Lady, Margaret Thatcher.
that's a big jump from women in the wartime labor force to Thatcher becoming PM
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f.” There is music in the midst of desolation, And glory that shines upon our tears.”
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in post war
which war are you talking about?
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the war
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the Great War
only WWI is the Great War
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I think what you are really talking about is religion in society rather than just in government.<br> Also, isn't your definition of religion rather narrow? Why mention only Anglicans in Britain. What about Catholics, Jews, Muslims etc? You point out this diversity in America after all.
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This case received global press due to its moralistic implications. It was about the view of the state vs the view of the parents. It was about who gets to decide what does/does not make a life worth living.
Not clear what role religion is playing in this decision. Were his parents arguing for continuing support on religious grounds? Were the doctors influenced by their own religious beliefs in making the decision they did? It's complicated.
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as the importance of religion decreases so can morality.
Perhaps; but remember that you point out above that 1000s of people have been killed in the name of God and that religious societies can also be persecuting ones.
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In England, the decreasing influence of religion in government influences lawmakers and their policies.
what's your evidence for this? You give statistics for US, but not equivalent ones for the UK.
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Protestant
How does Protestant align with Anglican?
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society
to society as a whole
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Anglican
explain what this term means
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The role of the Anglican church used to be a staple in British society, almost a requirement.
can you expand this point? Give us more historical context. You learned how a state Church of England was forged in the Reformation with Henry VIII as its head, and how, until the nineteenth century, it dominated most parts of British life.
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Well done Maggie. The essay is beautifully focused and does a splendid job integrating the two poems into the analysis. I also like the way you communicate your honest ambivalence about the repatriation question.
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Turkish
perhaps mention the Turkish occupation earlier in the essay
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mythology
or pagan religion?
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Lord Elgin carried off both pediment sculpture scenes, half the frieze, and fifteen metopes. It makes me sad to think of what is left for the Greeks to enjoy on the Parthenon.
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Were Elgin’s intentions to get rich quick like Henrich Schliemann or uncover the past for the good of humanity?
can you give a few more details about Elgin's motives and the context of the marbles' removal.
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Britain’s arguments
Do all Britons share the same view on the marbles? Or are you talking about the view of successive British governments?
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I admire your stance Brynn! Could you add more specifics though. Did you visit the Ripper museum? What kind of story does it tell? How are his victims presented?
Which women were to be included in the original museum? Even if you can't find this out you might still suggest some women you learned about on the trip who you think are worthy of inclusion. It's a bit ironic that in a paper dedicated to the need to recognize women's many and diverse achievements you don't mention a single woman by name.
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a lot of the women who were supposed to be featured
who are/were they? Let's have some names and more context about the museum that never was.
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Every person able to make it should have been at that protest, more significantly the women. It should be important for everyone that women and men are seen as equals, but because I am a woman, it is extremely important for me to make fight for equality. The changing of a women’s history museum to a glorified killer museum is a great example of how women are overshadowed.
could you give a sense of the numbers of women who protested and for how long?
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it is hard to wrap my mind why more people were not upset over this change
you need to rewrite the sentence for it to make sense. But more to the point, surely people were upset. You have just told us as much. Are you wondering why more people weren't upset?
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hearing
in what sense did you hear the museum?
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located in the East End of London.
or indeed anywhere in London
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Interesting essay, Bailey. Were there any aspects of the British system that you think the US could learn from? Also I wasn't clear on how Eton fit into your analysis. I suspect that Eton students encounter a wider range of subjects and disciplines and are thus able to make more informed decisions about what path to take in uni.
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their true interests
how do they know what these are until they have explored the full range?
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The rationale behind the British academic system could be that it prepares students better for their desired profession because their education is focused on it heavily from a young age.
specialization only really takes place the last two years before university
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Through this program
can you make a better connection between this new section and the last?
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schooled
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career path
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the remainder of their years in college
this is just for the last two years known as Sixth Form (lower sixth and upper sixth)
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followed by two more schools
middle school as such does not exist in UK
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but schools
unlike universities in the UK
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college
Do you mean Sixth Form College? i.e., the last two years of High School
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A well-conceived and nicely-written essay Delaney. I really like the way you use the poem to make a point about contemporary representations. A pleasure to read.
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fragment of diversity that has recently infiltrated the royal family roots from an American.
explain further
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references
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Englishman
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Defoe even reasons that such a diverse group in England allows the possibility for a speaker of the Gospel to speak to all of the nations of the world in one stop.
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I notice you have switched from talking about being British to being English. Is this significant? Would your new friends identify as English or British?
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forgiving disciplinary system t
what about the history of beating and bullying at Oxford?
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the lack of undergraduate institutions
I think you mean the lack of flexibility in the British system and the emphasis on specializing early on.
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more modern approach to one’s status
what do you mean by this? A meritocracy?
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classist
class-based
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primary school
give us details about the school: name, location etc.
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surely education is more than helping kids make informed decisions! Isn't it about instilling knowledge, encouraging intellectual curiosity, and developing the full potential of individuals?
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This sense of pride and honor in serving one’s country is still felt today in Britain
This seems to oversimplify the situation. Certainly, many recruits to the armed forces were driven by a sense of national pride, but the realities of life at sea and in the colonies was often harsh. Surely the painting captures this tension between noble ideals--the wide eyed young recruit--and the difficult realities of the imperial project.
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The excitement of joining the navy is palpable in the painting, and shares how enthusiastic the people were about their country
I can see the excitement in the painting, but I think the overall composition is more complex than you allow. Surely the wife and mother are trying to prevent him from signing up? The wife is physically interposing herself between the naval recruiter and her husband. Furthermore, who is the young man at the center of the scene? What are his qualifications to serve in the navy?
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Not sure what you mean by this.
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are imperialism and colonialism one and the same? Or did one begin before another in the British context?
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aspects
motives?
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