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can avoid writers too one-sided thinking
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According to Gerald Graff and Cathy Birkenstein, the advantages of using the model “entering the conversation” in writing is that when used an individual will be able to become an advanced writer and an ingenious person of thought who can confidently engage in intellectual discussions and arguments.
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According to Gerald Graff and Cathy Birkenstein, writers should use the model of “entering the conversation” in their writing. The advantage of this model is that it can help people in different fields write and think critically. Excellent academic work is meaningful to talk and connect with other people’s opinions, so the model allows people to state their thoughts and opinions. In addition, respond to the views of others. This model not only does not limit the creativity of the writer but also makes writing more personal. The template is just an introductory learning tool. It will be an instinctive way of writing when people get used to it.
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I agree with the video that art can make us analyze other situations. The artwork makes things easy and faster to understand; When you listen to things, it’s understandable, but when you see it becomes a whole clear image in your head. For example, in the video, it shows how artwork helps doctors explain and become certain when they see thing
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According to Gerald Graff and Cathy Birkenstein, writers should use the model of “entering the conversation” in the writing because it helps us to be more creative and understand ideas easily. It also gives us more ideas and questions. Makes us avoid yes or no questions and be more detailed and think deeply. It stated that we always have to listen to different opinions and use them to support and express our ideas more clearly and make the readers avoid questions such as “what’s the point of this” or “who cares”.
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i agree with the fact that artwork help us analyze other situations and makes us more focused on little details. With each art there are countless details and meaning to it. When we look at the art everyone have their own reason to find something unique and different perspective. As it said in the video “doctors, nurses, and law enforcement agents can use painting, sculpture, and photography as tools to improve their visual acuity, and communication skills…” as it was said it helps us better at explaining what we saw in more detail and look thoroughly.
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to relate
How does it help writers relate to readers?
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ou can stand back, and look at the bigger picture of everything.
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In this, the person listens to and understands the way the opposition thinks and then, you could project your argument more effectively in a way that everyone can understand.
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be different.
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article look clearer, others will clearly understand what you mean, and the argument is your own rather than stolen
How does this enhance the clarity of your paper?
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you can be able to listen to others point of view. T
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agree with the idea that learning to look at artwork can help us analyze other situations. I think every coin has two sides, It’s not as simple as it appears. Learning to look at artwork can increase our insight and allow us to discover more details from different perspectives. Moreover, learning to look at artwork can also exercise our critical thinking ability. It enables us to observe and analyze the situation from multiple aspects, understand the feelings the author wants to truly express by combining the background of artwork and more elements, and distinguish the right and wrong of things. It even extends to our lives and our writing. In addition, good insight and critical thinking allow us to quickly identify the author’s purpose in writing and reading the article and what the author wants to reveal. Through a detailed analysis, we can get more information and inspiration, and can quickly write a good article with rich structure and hierarchy. At the same time, good insight can also hel
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Then the model can be made public to help us state our ideas, to help us avoid answering yes or no challenging questions, and to present more arguments.
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agree that learning how to look at artwork helps us analyze other situations better. Looking at those little details that can change the entire perspective and message of the artwork. This skill is going to be used in our everyday lives and we are supposed to ask ourselves why is that there, why is it positioned in a certain way, and what is the bigger message. Once we get used to analyzing something and find its meaning it will become easier each time.
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According to Gerald Graff and Cathy Birkenstein, writers should use the model of “entering the conversation” in our writing because it makes it more clear the argument you are trying to do. These templates are being offered an outline of how to write a well-structured sentence. Most of us normally write an essay with just stating facts and supporting them with evidence however we don’t know how to enter a conversation with other views. It is fine to use these templates in our writing, it’s not plagiarism because it has common words that most writers use and as time goes on we can use them in our way. This will make it easier for the reader to understand the point of view and why is it being made.
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Watching the two videos, I do find that analyzing artwork improves how we look at real life situations. Art has been here all along. From when we come into this world, its introduced as diagrams, pictures, etc. It’s applied in all aspects of life. The idiom, “look at the big picture” is contradicting as its perceived as the answer to a clue, when paying attention to the minor details has so much meaning and answers to what we question. A portrait can have so many messages unnoticed, as the piece of art has a different interpretation each time its viewed which showcases humans each own individuality. To understand a piece, you must inhibit the essential analytical and observational skills, skills needed in high demanding professions. We reflect off from what we see In art and act on it. We can learn so much from just a simple painting.
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According to Gerald Graff & Cathy Birkenstein, the advantages are that you allow readers to have a better understanding of the statements and claims in your writing as they are a response to views in opposed to the individuals perception. “Entering the Conversation” gives the other side a voice. A voice that your readers may agree or relate to, and understand the context behind your words. It’s beneficial to incorporate this format because your writing doesn’t become one sided or biased. You can simply say one thing, but has no value, and confuses readers, because what does it reflect off? Including this technique ensures balance in your craft as a writer. You can communicate your ideas effectively in the argumentative style
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agree with both videos because analyzing artwork allows you to improve your vision and your ability to interpret situations. When you closely analyze a piece of artwork, your perspective of it can change based on all the small details you pick up. This can improve your critical thinking and understanding of situations. Most of the skills you learn and improve upon from this can be used in the real world as well.
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avoiding necessary questions
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es, I agree with the smart history videos because it helps us analyze situations in our environment. In a portrait, the artwork is so detailed and precise that it lets you think outside of the box. It can focus your attention on specifics in a situation, see objects differently, and view things you never thought would be there. For example, as in a puzzle, whereas there can be hundreds of pieces, you can see the whole picture forming as soon as you start placing them together. This is like in a scenario; once you get the facts, you can solve the problem. This builds critical thinking by evaluating the situation and then defining the issue. These tools can be useful in our daily lives.
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In accordance with Gerald and Cathy Birkenstein’s “entering the conversation,” writers should use the model in their writing because this model’s advantages are to converse and disagree in a respectful manner. It means you can listen and acknowledge someone else ideas and opinions without offending them. This design is used to try to understand the other person’s perspective on different types of discussions. It also allows the writer to express their beliefs and ideas along with substantial facts that can make the reader subsequentially broaden their minds to think about it more in-depth.
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ree with artwork helping us analyze other situations. Artwork is more than just looking at a picture. You have to understand and know what the picture story is and what it’s telling you. Artwork forces people to think critically to try and understand what is the purpose is. Artwork relates to real life situations because just like an artwork where you have to look for details to find the story behind it, in real life crime scenes wor
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According to Gerald and Cathy writers should use the model of “ entering the conversation “ in their writing because it provides a clear understanding of the point their trying to make. In the text “ State your own ideas as a response to others “ it states that “ If your own argument does identify the “ they say “ that you’re responding to, it probably won’t make sense.” I agree with this because your writing should clearly state what you’re talking about and why you’re talking about it and to do this you must include “ they say , I say” to further support your writing. Advantages that come from this is that it will allow you to avoid a simple yes or no response and present a strong augment
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helps us gather information and formulate the right questions to learn more about what it is we are confronted with. It’s no different from looking at art. Because even art is presented with little to no context, it’s our jobs as observers to figure out it’s intention; because it too has a story, and developing the most effective questions and deductions can help us conclude those said intentions.
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It encourages active listening. Nothing we say is left without a response, especially if we state our opinions out in a public setting. The model provides us with a way of navigating other peoples ideas and allows us to introduce our ideas and opinions in a more effective manner. The model also makes people care, by providing a reason for arguing the opposition; by stating or implying the oppositions stance
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“The best academic writing has one underlying feature: it is deeply engaged with other people’s views”
But, why is this statement true? What about it is correct and why?
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all features because not everyone or everything explain themselves with directly. For example, if a friend gets injured from playing sports, he or she might say they are fine because they don’t want to make a big deal out of it. However, if I watch them closely and notice that they are dragging the
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this writing is trying to challenge or support, therefore loses the meaning of reading it in the first place. Also, by engaging with other people’s argument, the writers maybe able to encounter with the ideas they never thought of before, which they could incorporate into the writing and make it more appealing to the readers.
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it allows us to use our senses physically as a way to see everything in a different light and interpret its true meaning by using critical thinking and interpretation as a way to extend our thin
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the conversation” in their writing because the templates
How are templates related to the idea of entering the conversation?
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I agree with the fact that learning to look at artwork can help us analyze other situations. Being able to study art thoroughly trains you to investigate. Once you have become accustomed to looking at every de
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enter the world of argumentative writing
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Our analytical and interpretations of paintings, or situations can tend to be small when in fact a lot more could lie beneath the surface.
According to these videos art helps us analyze more deeply.
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the technique of searching for more in a piece of art can train your mind to use this skill in all aspects of your life.
Why is it not just limited to art?
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understanding a conversation
Say more about this idea of the "conversation" (what conversation?) and less about templates.
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To look at art you have to be critical and observant.
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. If they have mastered the how too look at artwork it will make it easier for cops to solve crime scenes, pay attention to all the details and ask themselves questions leading to the crime being solved more quickly and thoroughly
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In addition, it helps you become a critical thinker at a much deeper level where you can disagree/agree with others, all while listening to everyone’s point of view. This provides a much deeper conversation with another’s that could potentially change your point of views and or change someone else’s point of view. The advantages of this model are that we listen to others point of views, even those who disagree with us, and than engage with them respectfully, as stated in page 14. It helps us engage into debates and conversations, which also includes a template which provides with higher creativity in order to apply them to any situation.
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participate in debates and conversations in the real world and in your writing.
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e artist positions us about the subject can help us think more deeply about social position,
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engaging debates
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It can also enhance our critical thinking writing format without unnecessary questions.
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ecause it can help improve their ideas from learning from one perspective
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On January 13, 2020, I gave birth to my fourth child. That day, I heard the first sounds of my daughter crying and I was very happy. In those moments, I had no idea that 2020 would be the most difficult year for me, my family and for many people on our planet. Exactly two months later, we were forced to isolate due to the coronavirus pandemic and the streets of New York became empty. I would like to share with you a short video “New York-The sounds of a city in lockdown” sourced from the China Global Television Network (“CGTN”) YouTube channel. During the moments of self-isolation, I did not have the opportunity to see and hear New York such calm and unhurried as it was in the first days of quarantine. According to Krukowski’s podcast in Noise and Signal, the author explains the concepts of noise and signals. Three months ago, New York was quiet, just rare signals through the noiseless city of ambulances passing by, birdsong, a lonely street musician playing alone, the rattling of chains on the fences of city playgrounds and daily evening applause for the first responders. For New York, these were silent but mournful days. Hopefully, in the near future, we will be able again to fully hear the noisy, hasty and lovely New York. As Ella Fitzgerald sings in the song “Manhattan”, “We’ll turn Manhattan into an isle of joy.”
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Our present and future is the time of digital technology. However, with the help of these technologies, we have the opportunity to see the past. For example, the presented video demonstrates an example of how analog video, having survived a century, comes to life in digital format. Initially, this 1911 New York video was filmed by the Swedish company Svenska Biografteatern and was shot three days before the outbreak of World War I. The video shows the routine life of New
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This video I found online. I like it because these sounds come from life, and each sound is something we hear every day. In our life maybe these sounds do not catch people’s attention because this is too general and we can hear about this everyday. We can hear about so many sounds in there such as butterflie
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ge and can sing a song very uniquely. The song called Late Goodbye has a beautiful lyric such as “And we keep driving into the night, It’s a late goodbye, such a late goodbye”. After that, I keep listening to this beautiful band and still listen this amazing band. Furthermore, when I listen the song called ‘’Late Goodbye”, it brings back me the old beautiful memories. Also, I’m absolutely grateful that I’m fortunate enough to play a good game with discovering a great artist. It feels so astonishing when you find an awesome game with beautiful soundtracks by your favorite musical artist. In conclusion, there are many stories similar like this, but this my most favorite one.
Really great example and nice anecdote.
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atch certain videos or hear certain sounds. There is a lot of videos of ASMR all over youtube, you can find ASMR of people eating, or people whispering with a soothing voice, people doing calming tasks like brushing their hair, typing, etc.
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to make you buy something from their store, also you could hear the honks of buses and cars because there was always too much traffic. I often compare the center of my city with the Roosevelt Ave. In my city I liked to go to little concerts, often there were just local bands, and they had like a stand where they sell things like shirts or their albums, but sometimes they brought bands from other countries, one time they brought Papa Roach and the incredible part is that it was free. Definitely it’s not the same listening to a band through a digital device than listening to a band in real life, you feel a great joy while you are singing along with one of your favorite artists, is a moment you will remembrance all your life.
This comparison is really interesting.
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I tried to just upload the link only but I am not that really well good at tech so I came out with the entire video. By all the way Billie live performance is one of rarely performances which I really saw the way digital has took over of how manageable is the time and the space accordant to how the sound can be held at one place for a specific event . As it is described in the ways of hearing “episode 1
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growing in the street with that free space and the joy of life , I saw and participated in group musical in my country Togo, West Africa . Back in the days , we didn’t have digital instruments to create our music or record what we have been doing but here is what and how we used to make things interesting to our audience. Everything that we were using was hand made .For example to create the sound we used empty pots with sticks . We used wood with cord to make guitars . With such things we make music for people with a good ambience and the songs that we were singing was memorised . It was true we didn’t have chances to get digital tools but the kind of music that we were make was pure and understandable . some youths have even convert the way we were doing our songs with digital called Afrobeat . In that , the beats sound is mix with jazz , blues, techno , dancehall .
This is great. I'd like to know more about this switch.
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This is a natural sound, I always listening to this every day during quarantine due to stress being home all day, listing to this peaceful sound gives me energy and build up my mind by doing meditation while listening to this peaceful sound, Us human being we are always busy, I think during this pandemic it gives us time with family and knowing how hard is to stay home because of how our daily life with all the work/school kept our family apart. This sound represents the natural and beauty of real nature sound.
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I heard first time the song “Desi Thoughts” by A.R. Rahman, when I was watching “A Million Dollar Arm” movie. There are no words, it is instrumental, and it touched my heart. When I listen to the sound of violins and guitar and other instruments, my mind connects with those sounds, capturing all my thoughts.
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This change is analogous of the move from analog to digital music. Hip Hop went from a period of including noise to removing all noise and only featuring the signals that are profitable by large record corporations. Krukowski’s idea of what has changed in the world as we have gone from analog to digital applies to the change in Hip Hip, even though Hip Hop has always been a digitally recorded style of music. It has gone from its pure unadulterated form, to a commercially influenced form which waters it down by removing all the noise, or authenticity.
Interesting allegorical understanding of the song.
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Never had I ever imagined a city that never sleeps could go quite like in past few months. When New York shut down in response to pandemic, New York’s busy sidewalks, subway rides, constant construction, cab honking, noise of children in parks, all these soundscapes are what we New Yorkers achingly missed. I had never realized that it has become a part of our life and I think I don’t like missing that part.
This was an unexpected marker of the instability during that time.
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Yet, people that are listening to the studio record can’t have the same, unforgettable experience full of emotions that are written down into their memory as the audience at the live concert had.
This distinction is important when you think about the advent of recorded music. Before recordings were readily available ALL music was live.
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r. I remember watching a video on Youtube a long time ago in which the band members said they asked their friend from The Plain White Tees to join them on the song. However, when it was time for his line, they all stopped playing as a joke, leaving him to shout alone. This clearly isn’t meant to be part of the song, and is something they likely would have cut out if it wasn’t funny. They chose to add what would have been noise to the song, and amplified it by adding it to the very end of the song.
Interesting insights on this song.
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Often there are always headphones around. Initially, the earphone was large and heavy in weight and was limited to military use, but now it has become small and inexpensive, and there is also a wireless type. In 1877 Edison invented the phonograph, and the headphones were very primitive, but they were widely accepted. Then, in 1910, Nathaniel invented the first form of modern headphones, so some things were large and connected to each other. Until we arrived in 1979 and Sony invented the Walkman device with relatively small speakers, this was the starting point for mobile music. In the year 2001, Apple invented portable and latent headphones. And after that big headphones returned in 2008 through Beats. In 2016, it was the great invention presented by Apple, which is the wireless headphones that work via Bluetooth. Now that the headphones have become an important part of any phone, companies compete with each other to produce headphones of new design and high quality.
This is a very interesting thumbnail history.
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The type of music that I listen to would be a relaxing beat by a chill cow the way the instrument is being played has this calming rhythm that makes the atmosphere in whatever room you are in feel more relaxing to the point that it makes you fall asleep.
This is a very interesting example.
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river, rain and so on because such music heals our body. Sound therapy experts believe that listening to calming noises or music helps to relax the body and it is an important tool in the healing process. But when I moved to the United States I realized that the city life is busy and rushed. I want to relate to Damon
The differences between this experiences is really interesting.
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Back then we only had a few types of songs about love, drama, and sadness. in that time people really loved these songs and didn’t want to change something or even create another new type to listen and attract the fans. finally, in 1980 a new genre started called Rap, it was released in the Bronx. Most of these people didn’t like to hear a new type. Whoever wanted to show himself to the people and went to sing in bars, concerts, and even parties. the police used to arrest them and the owner of the Bar used to kick them out it’s because they didn’t accept to hear a new type song. nowadays, everyone, color, and even edge listens to the Rap and prefers it to others.
This is interesting, but I'm a bit confused. Also, aren't there rap love songs?
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Om Kalthoum’s song was on the radio and for free, it was available for people to hear, however, if you would see her on the stage you would have had to buy her concert tickets. Moreover, my grandmother said to me if you fall in love, you will listen to her song and feel how she described what you feel and that happened.
I loved reading this story. You do a great job of pulling your own experiences into ideas the podcast conveys.
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This is a really interesting song
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n addition, had it been an algorithm that was deciding what new music I was gonna buy, I probably wouldn’t have found all those great up and coming hits. And that’s because they weren’t always that similar to the songs I had known up until that point. Yes it was the same genre, but these recommended songs always were unique and maybe they wouldn’t have come up when I was searching for new music. And even if they did, I probably wouldn’t have purchased them, because if you remember this gentleman always had to convince me to buy them. F
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now, the ones that were already being played on the radio and clubs. Most of the top DJ record shops had a turntable so you could ask them to play a certain record for you, and it was mostly songs or artists that you already knew. That was until I went to Vinylmania on Carmine Street in the West Village. They had this young hispanic guy who worked there, well older than me, probably in his mid 20’s, and when I asked him to play a record he would, but then he would play a few more that he would recommend I buy. Most of the time these were imports and were twice the price of the regular 12 inch singles. And a lot of the time I didn’t even like the songs, but somehow he would convince me to buy them. Sure enough after a week of listening to them, they grew on me immensely and a month or two later they were always the top songs in the clubs and on the radio. This happened week after week and finally I stopped doubting his recommendations and as a result of that I was always the DJ with th
What a cool story. Of the Village music stores, I was only able to go to Other Music and Bleecker Bob's.
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What i meant to say is sound could be pleasant or noise, it depends to the listener.
This idea fits with the noise episode of Ways of Hearing
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Watching that video it was still possible to visualize the process of transforming something that already existed to turn it into something even better. The music is a calm piano melody and it’s playing over that video it turns the music romantic based on the new context.
Can you tie this to Berger's Ways of Seeing?
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nostalgic
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“Happy Birthday to You”
Here's an interesting take on the origins of this song: https://www.leoweekly.com/2018/07/happy-birthday-black-roots-popular-song-world/
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The introduction of Musical Instrument Digital Instrument or midi has allowed us to play and create an infinite number of instruments and sounds that can be put together to make new and interesting musical arrangements. These rhythmic songs are great for dancing and I think that is one of the major reasons that digital music has become the standard. While I agree there are times when the elasticity of time in music can add a certain charm, I also see the very distinct benefit to the creation of digital music. I think both analog and digital music both deserve their due place in the world of music.
It made this kind of rhythmic "correction" more widely available and easier than, say, it would have been for a group like the Sugar Hill Gang.
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would practice dance with the headphone on for the school activities. It gave the opportunity to rewind and listen and practice again and again.IT gave me a personal soundscape which I think provide me a power to concentrate.
This is interesting. Did you listen to a particular artist?
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et and steal from us such a surreal moment when all the people were connected by the current situation and were captured in the presence. Probably each of us, who heard that clapping, realized that we are all here for each other and we felt the connection with strangers, which is so rare nowadays. It was a scary time, especially at the beginning of the pandemic, when nobody knew what is going to happen next. But at that time, we were all together showing and sharing compassion, humbleness, and appreciation to those, who were risking their own life every single day. This is probably an extreme example of the possible manipulation of the moment by the different sounds coming into our ears. But maybe it is a good example to better realize, how differently we can see the world by spacing out from the presence by using modern technology in general.
This is a very powerful example of how sound can be used during a time of crisis.
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Arianna Grande accidentally cursed during a live interview, which is prohibited on most television networks. Luckily, due to digital being a few seconds behind real time, the network was able to cover the curses with bleep noises. I used to ask my parents how the Grammys could censor mishaps if they were happening live, and they told me that TV is behind, so they use that time to cover mistakes. This podcast showed me that digital made that easier, if not allowing it to be possible at all.
Ha! Great example
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Songs are always friendly to our moods. If we feel sad we are looking for a song, and at the beginning of the love stories we listen to the songs, or until we feel bored we play songs to improve the mood. One of the songs closest to my heart is fly me to the moon by singer Frank Sinatra, this song never fails to change my mood. Although remastered the song in 2009, the live version in 1965 is the best for me. Frank’s pure voice with live music is another experience. When someone asks me about a good song, I always recommend those songs at the top of the list. This song is considered a jazz classic and music in general. On the other hand, songs are part of the culture. And the development of music is linked to the development taking place in the world. The musical instruments differed from the old until it reached what it is now. Therefore, music is part of the human personality and evidence of time.
This is an interesting example. What did you think of what Sinatra talks about in the "Love" episode?
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This is really interesting. Emily Thompson, who is in the "Space" episode of Ways of Hearing is working on this for her next project: https://www.wonderstruckthebook.com/essay_silent-to-sound.htm
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For example, DJ Hero song Just Blow (https://youtu.be/Bf5Ncpn6udU) was published on April 12,2013 and on April 23, 2017, Tiësto create a track called BOOM ( https://youtu.be/tSJSVmfaMCs ). On 2019, the F.H Crew used both of these to create a remix of both tracks to create one (https://youtu.be/94q1f7pmwJc).
This is interesting. I think it fits more with the "Money" episode because in that episode he talks about the circulation of music.
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Interesting points here.
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I’ve been a big fan of rap from when I was a little kid, which was hard growing up in Egypt since no one really made any rap songs in the country then. My brother and I would go to the internet cafe with blank CDs, and illegally download whatever song had a good title by an artist we loved. In “Time in the ways of hearing” by Damon Krukowshi, it mentioned how digital music can be reused and repurposed. That is exactly how the rise of rap started in Egypt. Many unknown rappers who had no followings at all would simply take the beat of an American rap song, and either translate it or rap a new song over the beat. By repurposing the song, rap became more acceptable in Egypt, and today it is the number one genre in the country, while also the top genre in the entire Middle East.
I think also the "Money" and "Power" episodes would make sense in this context. Can you think of an example of a song?
This experience would make a great topic for your paper.
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in my life is “singin’ in the rain” from the movie “singin’ in the rain” actually all songs in this movie are amazing, especially this song. I watched this song with my dad when I was 6. My dad recorded this movie on the videotape. I adore this song because the song has full of happiness through the lyrics, melody, the actor’s performance, and dancing in the rain. The first meaning of happiness for me was in this song, even though I did not recognize what does love mean or experiences it before. The song has become a hit in the classic musical movies gene kelly’s performance became popular. Kelly was simplified in love so he sings I’m singin’ in the rain lyrics has a powerful meaning of happiness. I listen to this song daily. It means for me pure love, and happiness, moreover the melody of the song gives me serenity. The slow melody makes you calm and quiet. In contrast, the melody of a modern song brings nervousness and stress.
This is a great movie, and your discussion of your relationship with its music is really interesting.
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are drowning out the outside world with their devices. The commercial, which is posted below, is for Airpods Pro, Apples noise cancelling earbuds. The commercial shows how this busy city, whatever that may be, sounds to the young lady with or without the earbuds. It also shows the effect it has on her psyche and mood as she goes from no earbuds, to just music in the buds and then music with the noise cancelling effect on. With no earbuds and only hearing the loud city she seems very annoyed and disappointed. With just the music she seems a little happier and things are flowing better. With the music and the noise cancelling on she starts dancing in a dream like video where she seems very happy. Now, when I put on my earbuds and pla
Interesting choice; this commercial does a really good job of demonstrating what you're talking about.
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Are we answering the questions in general, or specifically to our first writing assignment.
The latter
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On Monday, May 25, 2020 a very important and unforgettable event happened when George Floyd died because of he has been handcuffed on the street in the custody of the Minneapolis police on Memorial Day. An officer responding to a report that Mr. Floyd had tried to pass a fake $20 bill helped hold him down by lodging a knee on his neck for nearly nine minutes. People allover the world especially Americans decided to take his rights after his death. This image is of Leshia Evans, a demonstrator at an event that followed the shooting of Alton Sterling by a policeman in Baton Rouge, LA, being arrested. It became a widely circulated image within the Black Lives Matter Movement as well as other social justice movements and became resonant for those who deal with the intersections of race and criminal justice.
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Usually , some students , before writing their draft essay , organise their work by prewriting the topic of what the have to develop in it .In contrast , some think it is unnecessary to do so and then jump straight to the essay or they are afraid of being catch up with their time management.Therefore they end with unclear essay or get stuck because they lack of ideas to develop their essay .
I had meant for you to draft your own opening essay.
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an introduction should start with a hook that is devised to evoke readers’ interest. Capturing readers’ attention motivates them to continue reading. after the hook, I will add transition sentences that should introduce the readers to the topic by stating general facts or ideas about the subject. after that I will add a strong thesis statement, a thesis statement is a promise to the reader about what the essay will be about. here I need to ask myself what I am going to write about and the answer to this question will be my thesis statement. my thesis statement must be specificity, precision, ability to be argued, ability to be demonstrated, forcefulness, confidence, and avoid weak thesis statement.and then I have to support my thesis statement with strong reasons to back my opinion so the reader can understand why I choose this side of the argument.
I had meant for you to write an opening paragraph for your paper.
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Berger states the significance of the mirror as a principal part using the subject Sussannah from the painting since as she uses to look at herself in mirror while also being spectated from the elders, he states the mirror as a symbol of vanity for a women which isn’t the case at all.
According to Berger, women internalize the expectations of men, so in the case of *Vanity**, even though the woman is looking at herself, she does so through her understanding of how men look at her.
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are targeted toward a certain audience which caters to the male spectator judged as a sight for them
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The significance of mirror in painting is a symbol of vanity. women look at mirror to picture herself how the mens looked at her. first thing she saw her as sight, sight for men. The painting of female to painter own pleasure. Nakedness have become a uniform for women means nakedness has consider same as wearing clothes. Berger discuss some painting of men and women where men look at women eyes as true lover but the women eye had looked to the spectator meaning the painting is for mens spectator pleasure. The number of female nude painting is enormous in Europe but i believe that number had decrease this days.
Yes, and there is hypocrisy in this on the part of the male viewer.
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Berger mention “Naked is the oneself but nude is seen by others and yet not recognized by oneself”because of others individual interest and desire. These two are significant difference, one is treating women an object and not letting exercise their freedom, on the other hand nakedness is done by there own wish, i don’t see any issue. people have right to to do anything with there own body. nakedness could could be helpful for study. nakedness have shown in my anatomy subject for more deep understanding of human reproductive system or study human body in general.
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– Berger describes the mirror painting as a men desire to look at to satisfy their pleasure, they tend to look at the nude painting as an original beauty but in the discussion that Berger has with the women, they stated that oil painting shows women in an unreal way because of how the painting is immensely exaggerated on how their gesture looks.
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-Berger stated that nude in European painting is a form of art, nude implies a weakness seen as an art form. They stated,” they’re not naked as they are, naked as you see them”. In today’s world, nude painting can be very different in some categories because it’s basically looking at yourself in the mirror that reflects your beauty but it reflects on the judgment you get because in this generation nude painting can be looked differently.
Not exactly, "the nude" as Berger defines it is when a woman is depicted without her clothes but for the purposes of satisfying the desires of the male viewer.
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. In Berger’s description the mirror is represented as a vanity symbol of women. He also highlights that the pictures are painted for the men’s pleasure. While a woman looks at herself through the mirror, she’s thinking of the way men will see her. During his interview some of the women described the paintings as unreal, saying that the older European art paintings do not show dynamism and women are represented in a humiliation context, portraying women as “inanimate pleasure symbol”.
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. Being naked means being yourself, being who you are. But when we talk about nude it means being watched by someone else. I believe the most significant difference between them is the loss of the essence. When women are depicted nude in art they get material values, being seen as an object. We can use as an example the Brazilian Carnaval, women are exposed seminaked in the most commercials and advertisements as a trophy.
Yes, but there's a gender power dynamic to this: "the nude" as Berger defines it is when a woman is depicted without her clothes but for the purposes of satisfying the desires of the male viewer.
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3.Mirror behind the women is another factor that determines that the painting is of nudity. It symbolizes self-admiration and self-love. Woman has pride in her own appearance, looking into the mirror she is her own object of the pleasure and admiration as she is for the male viewer. The woman’s gaze shows the viewer that she is aware of being viewed, inviting him in. Nowadays, selfie pictures are an example of woman’s vanity, inspired from older European art.
According to Berger, women internalize the expectations of men, so in the case of *Vanity**, even though the woman is looking at herself, she does so through her understanding of how men look at her.
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1.According to John Berger’s “Ways of seeing,” nakedness and nude female form seem to have many similarities, but they have opposite concepts. Both words mean not to have clothes on, but nude is about a posed painting, it is intentional, and nude female form has the purpose to be in presence of a male viewer. However, to be naked is to be oneself, the subject is focused on her own life and is looking away from the viewer. When we access Instagram and other social media, we can see nude female images, and those are continuously changing viewer’s perception about how women’s ideal beauty.
Yes, good answer.
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Berger describes that a mirror could make women realize how they look like and how they would be judge by men .Gradually , mirror became a symbol of vanity to women and the define of beauty changed, it became a competition among women by how men judged them . Berger also states that the reason why women were depicted as naked is not because they would like to be naked ,it’s because they were charming subjects which could satisfy males’ sexual gaze.However , according to Berger’s interview , they don’t think those old European oil paintings have many connections with women today because they are immensely exaggerated and hard to identify.
According to Berger, women internalize the expectations of men, so in the case of *Vanity**, even though the woman is looking at herself, she does so through her understanding of how men look at her.
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According to Berger, nakedness means someone without clothes and it could be recognized, but nude is to be seen naked by others and yet not recognized by oneself .Besides , he also mentions that a nude has to be seen as an object.Honestly , I don’t realize they have different meanings before watching this video , but I do now.It’s quite significant to distinguish the meanings of these two words because they are totally different with each other.We usually use the word “naked” to state somebody’s status , it’s more like an objective description. However , when we use the “word” nude to describe a person , it probably means that person is naked for particular reason .Therefore , I suppose “nude” contains deeper meanings on the base of “nakedness”.
And, think about the gender power dynamic that is implied by this situation.
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Berger uses the mirror to display the hypocrisy in society’s perspective of women. In western art, and society as well, women are considered narcissistic for examining themselves in the mirror. In contrast, men are justified for seeing a woman for her beauty, and expect a woman to use the tools at her disposal to attain beauty for those same men. When she does so, she is then considered a narcissist and therein lies the double standard. Berger also discusses how the females in western art are almost always depicted as looking seductively back at the viewer. They rarely are looking at anything in the painting, but rather their expression is meant only to seduce the viewer. They often have almost the same provocative expressions. He compares a model from what is considered a masterpiece of western art, to “an ill paid model for a photograph in a girly magazine” and finds the extremely similar. I believe we can extrapolate his theory to make conclusions about women and social media today. When viewing pictures on Instagram or Facebook, we quite often see these same or similar expressions. They are intentionally flirtatious and often altered to appear sexier. This ultimately reinforces the same societal gender roles that have existed for years.
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John Berger in episode two of Ways of Seeing, he discusses the difference between nude and nakedness for a woman. He explains that nakedness is just the human female body without clothes. An appropriate example would be a woman in the shower by herself is naked. Nude is when there is an audience there to judge and sexualize the body of a female. This is significant in society as it is a reflection of inequality of women and how women are seen and viewed in western culture. I think this applies equally today as it did during the renaissance, or during the 70’s when this video was produced. I think we have substituted photography for the paintings. As he mentioned in his previous episode the camera, and as time has progressed technology has somewhat changed the perspective of the nude. I think the internet and social media has created a new version of the nude, that encompasses women who are not even naked. They may have a bikini or just a revealing outfit that is meant to entice the male sexuality, but the result is the same. The images have stripped that person of who they are, and replaced their identity with an image “that is first and foremost a sight to be looked at” as Berger states in his video.
Excellent answer!
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Q3.A mirror in a painting was to allow woman as treating herself a sight thus having her own spectator as herself. But the painting with mirror and beauty tools are accused to exhibit women sexulaity and vanity . Mirror symbolized as a vanity of women therefore depicted women the pleasure.Woman dependent on the gaze of others for her identity’s as she looks out of the picture.In modern art the category of the nude has become less important.
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. Being naked is simply being without clothes .To be naked is to be oneself whereas nakedness is created in the mind of eye of beholder.BUt Nude is form of an art.Nude means to be seen naked by other and yet not recognize for one self.Nude has to been seen by an object in order to be nude.In European art ,nakedness is seight for those who addresses and is not taken as granted.The European nude art implies an awareness of being seen by the spectetor. Nude art are not naked as they are, they are naked as you see them. Nakedness reveals itself whereas Nudity is placed on display. Not necessarily the image but when in hospital for any body checkup ,you don’t feel nude
Yes, and to take this further, think about the power dynamic this sets up between men and women.
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The hypocrisy of the men was hidden behind the moral condemn of the women for their vanity in order just to look at the naked women’s body.
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The importance of the difference is about the perception of the nudity of the pictured women. Are we looking at them as at the sexual objects or the objects to be judged? Or, on the contrary, are we looking at naked women as at them, just for their simple being, without any male interference or interest and judgment? In my opinion, these differences apply to images of today’s western society in a very similar way as back then. Ladies are in an all-source of media often presented as an object, in position to try to catch the attention by the visual perception by looking submissive, available, and ready.
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These men judge the women for worrying so much about how they look, while painting them for their own viewing pleasure.
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John Berger believes that the difference in nakedness and nudity lies in whether or not the subject is aware they are being seen. In a painting depicting the story of Adam and Eve, the pair eat the forbidden fruit and realize they are naked. Upon this realization, they hide from God out of shame for being bare. They go on to use leaves to cover themselves up from each other’s gaze, as well as that of the viewer. The moment Adam and Eve become aware of their nakedness, they become Berger’s definition of nude. They see each other differently, as something to be seen, and cover up as a result. I agree with Berger’s interpretation of these terms, being naked is to be free, while being nude is to be under a magnifying glass.
Not exactly, "the nude" as Berger defines it is when a woman is depicted without her clothes but for the purposes of satisfying the desires of the male viewer.
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The woman was drawn in the painting with a mirror in order to show the woman’s charm and as a symbol of vanity and it was called with the same name because of that reason. It was used to reinforce the idea of what a woman should look like and what a man would look like. And Berger also mentioned that European painters at this time often depicted women naked and this reflects their sexual perception of them and in order to attract the largest number of viewers.
According to Berger, women internalize the expectations of men, so in the case of *Vanity**, even though the woman is looking at herself, she does so through her understanding of how men look at her.
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According to Burger, “The difference between nakedness and nudity is that nakedness is to be only without clothes, but nudity is that others see you naked without realizing it, and it is a form of artistic expression in European artistic culture. It was mentioned in the video that the women drawn naked in European paintings drew like this is because this is the way women are judged to be seen.They used this method as a symbol of idealism and expression of the soul. But this art carries a masculine look and a kind of satisfying desire.
Yes, "the nude" as Berger defines it is when a woman is depicted without her clothes but for the purposes of satisfying the desires of the male viewer.
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. John Berger shows us that men and women are shown in a different light in one of the artworks called judgment of Paris it shows us a group of naked women being judge by men and the pretty ones will get an apple. This art shows us in our modern-day life that beauty will always be competitive.
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The naked painting of western art shows us that women were judged by their appearances. Jordan Bernier discusses that “nakedness is to be without disguise to be on display is to have the surface of one own skin the hair of one own body turn into a disguise which cannot be discarded”. He is informing us that nakedness does not care it will show you its natural form
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The mirror painting depicts women to look at herself and it reminds them how they look and how they should look.According to Berger the significance of the mirror in painting is vanity to the women. In the oil European painting Suzanna seems to look at herself in the mirror, picturing herself as men see her. She sees herself first and foremost as a sight which means as a sight for men. Thus the mirror is a symbol of vanity of women yet the male hypocrisy in this blatant. Berger states the culture of privileged Europeans reinforced female nude, which depicted women as passive receptacles for the spectator’s sexual gaze. These did exist for the viewer’s projection of a fantasy. According to the Berger the paintings in film cannot be identified because they are so immensely exaggerated. Many painting shows are idealized and very unreal.
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According to Berger’s distinction nakedness and the nude female form as it traditionally represented in western art because women were judged to see how they were looked. Berger discusses the concept of the female nakedness is to be one’s self and to be nude is to be seen naked by others and yet not recognized for one’s self. Berger’s distinction is used to help make the argument that in order for a naked body to become a nude. The nude in European oil painting is usually presented as an ideal subject. It is said to be an expression of the European humanist spirit. I don’t think that they apply to images because such nakedness and the nude images are lined up by their painters for the pleasure of the male.
Yes, "the nude" as Berger defines it is when a woman is depicted without her clothes but for the purposes of satisfying the desires of the male viewer.
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In the work of art men sees women naked because that is how they want to see women. Women sees themselves in the mirror naked as sight of how man sees them. They judge themselves by the way they look or not look. The female gaze in painting are direct to the person looking at her outside, the person who is looking and judging her beauty. He use modern days magazine model picture these painting which has the same gaze and expression as the older European In both place the women looking at person who is judging and objectifying them.
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Nakedness means just to take off the clothes and being comfortable in your own skin. Nude means being watched and objectify by others. There are many products nowadays that use women’s nakedness and objectify them to attract male customers.
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Women’s nakedness in art is usually to show the beauty of women in art. Men are depicted as naked many times throughout art history, so male artist drawing women as naked is equal treatment.
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1. Berger is saying that nakedness is pure. Being naked is just a lack of clothes. While nudity is expressly for the purpose of being seen. Nudity is what you find in art, while nakedness is just the human body without clothes. Being naked seems to derive from shame, whereas to be nude seems to come from a source of pride. Nakedness in art doesn’t hold back, showing all the raw emotion regardless of whether it is good or bad. Nudity in art is to show nature in its purest form.
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According to Berger’s description, the mirror is symbolic of oil western painting art. It shows the reflection of women’s beauty and women’s vanity. Berger said that a naked woman is looking at her mirror because she enjoys looking at her beauty that called the painting vanity. Male spectators owners have their own judgment of women nude. Berger draws a connection between the older European, though the comparing between the western painting arts and photograph took to naked women, He shows the similarity of their facial reactions and their eye contact. Now, In female magazines, There are many photos for women who are nude that shows women still enjoy looking at her beauty through a male.
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According to episode 2 of ways of seeing by John Bergers states that western art has a tradition to women naked and nude. Bergers criticize that in his video. Barger discusses the concept of a female nude. Nakedness and nude have the same meaning but in the episode have different concepts. The significant difference between naked and nude is the naked woman is to be oneself but nude is seen by others in addition she does not recognize for oneself.
Yes, "the nude" as Berger defines it is when a woman is depicted without her clothes but for the purposes of satisfying the desires of the male viewer.
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erger describes the significance of the mirror as a reminder of how women should like and a judgement on how it reflected back from a “real man”. The mirror is a symbol of the pure beauty of a woman. It reflects the obvious of what they already know. However, men are hypocrites, they look at painting with obvious sexual desires. Berger explains how the female gaze in paintings are admired by the spectator. Their facial expressions are meant to be seen by the viewer. They express their feelings and thoughts through their eyes. He gave many contemporary examples referring to European oil painting like the one of Cupid and Venus. He was kissing her but her body was positioned in the view point for the spectator to admire. She wasn’t concerned with Cupid. The connection he draws between European art and women today is that the old painting represents an exaggeration of what women look like. Painters modify women to please men viewers. If a photograph of a woman was taken it would show its true naturality and not a fixed loo
According to Berger, women internalize the expectations of men, so in the case of *Vanity**, even though the woman is looking at herself, she does so through her understanding of how men look at her.
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this episode, Berger’s distinction between nakedness and the nude female form is viewed as naked being oneself. Comfortable in one’s body without judgement. While nude is being physically and personally exposed. Not seen as your true self. This is significant because when women are naked they feel comfortable in their personal body. However, when women are nude they have opened themself for people to opinion and judge them. They leave themself vulnerable. In my opinion, naked and nude are the same because the body of any individual is unique. Only an individual should see themselves. Otherwise, they expose themselves for people to critique them.
Yes, "the nude" as Berger defines it is when a woman is depicted without her clothes but for the purposes of satisfying the desires of the male viewer.
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The gaze, whether she is looking at a mirror or out to the audience, is always to see what someone else is thinking of her, mainly men, and is she pleasurable to them.
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Part 1. According Berger, in episode 2 of Ways of Seeing, the main distinction between nakedness and the the nude female form as represented in traditional Western art is that being naked is to be oneself, and the nude, is to be seen naked by others and yet not be recognized for oneself. A nude, he adds, has to be seen as an object, and in this object the female(s) are not seen naked as they are, but instead naked as you, the observer, see them. These differences are significant because in the nudes the nakedness is a sight for those who are dressed. And these differences could also be seen today in nude magazines such as Playboy. The pictures in these magazines are catered to the sexual desires of the mainly male observers with the seductive and unnatural poses.
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3.According to Berger, the significance of the mirror in those paintings is to show the women’s vanity. All of those paintings convey the same concept to us that the beauty of women is defined by male. The female characters in paintings need to cater men’s tastes. So the gaze of them is out of the frame and towards those male viewers which seems that they are seducing them. Except for their gaze, there is anohter important point we should notice is that all of those nudes don’t draw the hair on women’s bodies. Because hair will reduce the sexuality of male sepectators. As I said in question #2, all of these arrangement is to please male. Additional, a female interviewee appeared in the second half of the video mentions that women lose their dynamism as well as their own activities. They are always waiting for the reactions from men.
According to Berger, women internalize the expectations of men, so in the case of *Vanity**, even though the woman is looking at herself, she does so through her understanding of how men look at her.
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1.According to this episode, John Berger explains that to be naked is to be oneself and to be nude is to be seen naked by others which is not recogonized for oneself. In Berger’s view of it, he emphasizes the initiative of being naked and being nude totally depends on other people. His opinion about the difference between nakedness and nude is kind of different from Kenneth Clark which makes us have deeper understanding of those old European oil paintings.
Yes, "the nude" as Berger defines it is when a woman is depicted without her clothes but for the purposes of satisfying the desires of the male viewer.
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In the European oil art, the mirror became a symbol of the vanity of women. In the video, Berger says ”You paint a naked woman because enjoy looking at her. You put a mirror on her hand, and you call the painting vanity.” What makes the nude beautiful is the judgment of male spectator owners in most of the oil paintings. The female gaze is usually directly to the one who looks at her. This shows her awareness of being seen. Likely to this, in the modern photographs, such as magazine covers, we can see that the female subjects are looking at the person who looking at them and judging their beauty.
According to Berger, women internalize the expectations of men, so in the case of *Vanity**, even though the woman is looking at herself, she does so through her understanding of how men look at her.
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According to John Berger, to be naked is to be oneself. To be nude is to be seen naked by the others and yet not recognized for oneself. Nude has to be seen as an object. Also, he says ”The Nude implies an awareness of being seen by the spectator. They are not naked as they are, they are naked as you see them.” That means the difference between these terms are depends on how other people see the subjects. In the pictures we see, the subjects wear fig leaves, cover themselves with gestures, or looking directly at viewers which show their awareness and make them nudes.
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John Berger explains how the mirror is significant and how its depicting the women in the painting. The mirror is significant because the women liked to look at themselves while they are naked.
According to Berger, women internalize the expectations of men, so in the case of *Vanity**, even though the woman is looking at herself, she does so through her understanding of how men look at her.
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In ways of seeing John Berger describes the nakedness and the nude for a women in the paintings. john Berger said ” being naked is seeing without clothes” and nude is how the women were seen and judge of being naked by other people. This is significant because it shows the inequality how women were being used.
Say more: "the nude" as Berger defines it is when a woman is depicted without her clothes but for the purposes of satisfying the desires of the male viewer.
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Berger describes the significance of the mirror in the paintings depicting women by using the mirror as a symbol to show the women who they are and what people think she looks like . The mirror is used as a way of vanity for the women. In the video Berger explains the depiction of the female gaze in panting’s, women were painted a certain way to society. In these panting’s women were naked and looked at as if they were supposed to be vulnerable to men.
According to Berger, women internalize the expectations of men, so in the case of *Vanity**, even though the woman is looking at herself, she does so through her understanding of how men look at her.
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The difference between nakedness and nude is that nude is a form of art and nakedness is when you are without clothing. These differences are significant because people have been using the wrong terms and in art these are significant words.
Go a little further: "the nude" as Berger defines it is when a woman is depicted without her clothes but for the purposes of satisfying the desires of the male viewer.
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Since there is always an awareness in a nude female form, Berger mentions “Susana painting” where she sees herself in mirror first to see how she will be judged by men and how she should submit to their demands. The mirror is significant in way how the painter calls the painting a vanity at the end. It was said that she used the mirror to please the men. However, at the end calling the painting a vanity was an insult. She did not use the mirror to please herself, the painter enjoyed painting a nude woman and later he blames it on her that it was for her benefit. The female gaze depicting in many of the early paintings hides the feelings of women, lacks dynamism and freedom. Their expressions are nuanced in way it becomes appealing to the male audiences, but those are not happy eyes, rather an eye that shows awareness of people seeing her naked. There is a resemblance in expression of the females in traditional western art and contemporary nude photographs. Both of them are looking to charm their male audience. Today’s women subject themselves not as an object of submission, but a self-promotion, to draw admiration and popularity for themselves. However, the women in traditional art were a mere object to please men
Yes, According to Berger, women internalize the expectations of men, so in the case of *Vanity**, even though the woman is looking at herself, she does so through her understanding of how men look at her.
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In most of the European oil paintings, women have been objectified for men’s pleasure. According to Berger, “Naked is to be oneself and to be nude is to be seen naked by others and yet not recognized for oneself”. Naked is a state of a woman where she is without her clothes and she is being herself. She is not expecting any spectators whereas a nude female form as traditionally represented in Western art is a form of art where a woman is objectified and she is expected to have an audience. She has to be seen in way where she can inherit pleasure in her male viewers. These differences are significant because in nude forms, their facial expressions are designed specifically to lure her spectators. They are always seen looking at the artist. In my opinion, nakedness is more intimate than nudity. I have come across nude statues of Hindu gods and goddesses. The goddesses pose the same relation as to the women in traditional western art. Their eyes reveal what they are trying to say. Berger states, “They are not naked as they are, but they are naked as you see them”
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“The mirror became a symbol of women vanity” Berger says. As in the painting, “Susanna and the elders” looks at her self in the mirror to see how she is being seen in the eyes of a man. In the following painting, a women is naked holding a mirror and looking at her self. The mirror is being used as an excuse to blame the women whom has been painted totally naked for the artist pleasure but condemning the women by calling the paint “Vanity”. He related this to “The judgement of Paris” which is transform into a beauty contest. The idea remains the same. Man looking at women and judging them. In today’s society, women are being seen and judged by man. It is as a competition, where beauty and perfection wins. Woman try to look perfect to the eyes of man and not be judged by the society. Make up, plastic surgery, provocative clothes are some of the options that women use nowadays to persuade man.
Yes, according to Berger, women internalize the expectations of men, so in the case of *Vanity**, even though the woman is looking at herself, she does so through her understanding of how men look at her.
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Berger uses the example of Kenneth Clark book to explain the difference between “being naked” and “nude” in which Clark says that the nude is a form of art but being naked is simply being without clothes. Berger has different thoughts about it, he explains that “to be Naked is to be oneself and to be nude is to be seen naked by others and yet not recognized for oneself”. This means that a naked person is the one that is peacefully by it self with no public but a nude is the painting of a ‘naked’ person or people who are being seen by other. As John Berger says, I also believe that “nudes” are created from artists for their own pleasure
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3 .European oil painting often depicted nude female figures. Adam and Eve, a woman’s nakedness was constituted by her relationship to the viewer: she either performs shame and modesty, or exhibits herself proudly—but never exists as simply naked and unaware she is being looked at. Even as nude oil painting grew more secular, female subjects continued to be defined by their awareness of the spectator. Woman’s gaze is almost always directed outward at the viewer even when a male figure is present. The subject of the painting: the woman looks at herself in a mirror, just as the spectator looks at her in the painting. mirrors in such paintings often symbolized women’s vanity—allowing painters to condemn the so-called “vanity” of female subjects that they painted in the nude for the sake of their own pleasure. But the symbolic mirror nevertheless served to reinforce that women should be treated primarily as sights to be regarded. The painting’s subject is a competition between women, vying to be recognized by a man as the most beautiful .
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. According to “ways of seeing” Berger’s states that based on western art, nakedness is to be oneself , to be nude is to be seen naked by others. The difference is significant because in the nudes the nakedness is a sight for those who are dressed. To be nude is to be on display, while to be naked is to be oneself. The nude painting , as opposed to simply the naked. Looking at yourself in the mirror that reflects your beauty. Nakedness women are rarely portrayed in a passive way. She has to survey everything she is and everything she does because how she appears to others, and ultimately how she appears to men, is of crucial importance for what is normally thought of as the success of her life. A woman is laying down naked, implying that she wants to appear beautiful and perfect in the eyes of any man and grab his attention
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The mirror is a symbol of women’s vanity. Women regard themselves as scenery, while men look at the scenery. It also expresses men’s hypocrisy. And the description of women can make men have the pleasure of peeping and personal interest. Beautiful women are often sold and used as gifts. This is the difference between gender evidence.
According to Berger, women internalize the expectations of men, so in the case of *Vanity**, even though the woman is looking at herself, she does so through her understanding of how men look at her.
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Berger thinks nudity is immoral, and the audience’s eyes make them feel shame and become more ordinary. Some people think nudity is an art because the differences in the art are different in everyone’s mind. It is important to keep your own point of view and respect the opinions of others.
No, "the nude" as Berger defines it is when a woman is depicted without her clothes but for the purposes of satisfying the desires of the male viewer.
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Another equally important subject that is present in the works of European art is a mirror. According to Berger, a mirror in oil painting is a kind of approval of a woman to see her naked. Berger also says that the mirror in the hands of women was most often symbolized as female vanity. However, the author himself considers this hypocrisy by the artist: the artist first gives the woman a mirror and then accuses her of vanity. Berger also notes the look of naked women on the canvases of European art. He claims that women look with charm as if they are looking at a man who possesses her. In modern art, nakedness has become less important. However, women are still portrayed in order to flatter the man to the viewer.
According to Berger, women internalize the expectations of men, so in the case of *Vanity**, even though the woman is looking at herself, she does so through her understanding of how men look at her.
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Women were a constant recurring plot in European oil painting. Adam and Eve were the first nudes. Their nakedness represented shame. Over time, these conventions have changed and nakedness of Adam and Eve transformed into a kind of game with the audience. According to Berger, nakedness and nude are completely different concepts. To be naked means to be yourself, without any mask. At the same time, nude is to expose oneself to the viewer, i.e. permission to see yourself naked. I had my own experience working with nude, but not as a model, but as a painter. I was a student at the University of Architecture in my hometown. After graduation, I professionally worked as a photographer. In both cases, I had to work with nudity. At the university, we often painted the naked bodies of antique statues. However, later working as a photographer I often received orders for a nude-style photo session.
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Mirrors appear in many nude paintings, and it is common for women to use mirrors in Western oil paintings. The appearance of the mirror is to show the vanity of women. a woman cares a lot about whether she is beautiful, so she always sees how she looks in a man’s eyes, whether a woman’s face and body meet the standards of a man. Women satisfy themselves by satisfying men。This mirror also means that in addition to men judging women, women are also judging themselves. At the same time, he connects the gazes of these women with some pornographic magazines. This gaze is like a temptation that tempts people to produce Unlimited reverie.
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Male nudity
Men are rarely depicted as nudes.
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Nudity and nakedness do not wear clothes in some sense. However, according to Berger in the video, he has a different opinion. When people are naked, the naked body becomes nude. Nudity is a way of showing naked body. Naked is a person without clothes. In the video, this is important because it implies how people should understand the different relationships between men and women in society in these bare paintings.
Not exactly, "the nude" as Berger defines it is when a woman is depicted without her clothes but for the purposes of satisfying the desires of the male viewer.
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The male gaze is the act of depicting women and the world from a masculine perspective that sees women as a sexual objects for the pleasure of the male viewer. John Berger observed that “men act and women appear.” Men look at women. Women watch themselves being looked at.” Mirror was often used as a symbol of the vanity of woman. You painted a naked woman because you enjoyed looking at her, you put a mirror in her hand and you called the painting Vanity. Therefore, you had depicted for your own pleasure. The real function is to make the woman treat herself.
Also, it seems like the woman in the painting is being vain, but in actuality this is an elaborate cover for the male viewer's own desires.
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John Berger in “Ways of Seeing”, distinguishes “nakedness” from “nudity” in the European tradition, with nakedness simply being the state of having no cloths on and nudity being a form of artistic representation. Berger mentioned in the video that, “Being naked is just being yourself but being nude in the artistic sense of the word is being without cloths for the purpose of being looked at. A naked body has to become an object of a gaze in order to become a nude representation.” Being naked means being without any costume that you put on but being nude means that you become your own costume. Women are there for men to look at, “men act and women appear.” While men do the looking, women watch themselves being looked at. What’s more, he mentioned that women should take care of every action she does because women’s actions are the ways that indicates the way the girl should be observed. On the other hand, men’s actions are not judged by people as women. He won’t even have a bad reputation as a woman can does.
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The mirror becomes a symbol of vanity/self-importance. A woman may see herself in the mirror to see what she looks or how she should look. And it happens because she is influenced by the opinions, logic or cultural perspective what surrounded by us. However, Berger pointed out that mirror meant vanity to a woman. He also stated that “You painted a naked woman because you enjoyed looking at her, put a mirror in her hand and you called the painting “Vanity,” thus morally condemning the woman whose nakedness you had depicted for you own pleasure.” This remains as one of the most impressive proclamations at any point made about the delineation of ladies in society, art, workmanship and in the public arena. I want to add that here male just showed his own pleasure by doing nude painting and calling it the vanity painting. Furthermore, I believe it has changed and nude painting has become less significant no
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I think everything begins from the hour of Adam and Eve. The man turned into a delegate of God and the lady gets rebuffed. Also, in the European and Western art men and women had different values. A man is the artist of nude painting and women is the object of art. Unfortunately, it was true. However, I think the equality between men and women changed many things in our society. Now many people understand feminism and respect this. Women’s rights gave women hope to rise and women are rising and still doing it. Presently, people don’t think ladies like an item like the European art. Also, women have the knowledge of who they are and what they are capable of which is a good thing
Yes, good answer, but also consider more carefully our current moment. Are women really that better off?
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Nudity is a form of art and it’s a tradition in European Art. Also, Berger indicated that ‘’nude has to be seen as an object in order to become a nude’’. Moreover, nudes in various poses may express basic or difficult emotions such as the pathos. On the other hand, nakedness is the state of being naked. It infers a person who is unprotected or defenseless. Berger pointed out that nakedness is a celebration of active sexual love between two people in another tradition. He develops the difference that ‘‘to be naked is to be oneself and to be nude is to be seen naked by others and yet not recognized for oneself. However, I think the pictures I saw in the video are familiar with nude painting. Such as the portrait of Nell Gwynne as Venus by Sir Peter Lely. Here her nakedness isn’t her very own statement emotions. It’s an indication of her accommodation to other people.
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Question 2: Western works of Art depict and defined different roles for men and women by showcasing the inequality of power. Men are seen as superior and dominate, treating the opposite sex as if they were only there to satisfy their needs. The significance of this is to display the differences in roles for example, John Berger uses Adam and Eve to show how different men and women are treated and what each role they play entails. I do believe these depictions influences are society today because though individuals voice against the objection of women, many media outlets still do this. We are used as outlets to sell your cars, to promote your meals, lingerie, and even weight loss solutions. Some men still feel entitled to our bodies based on what is seen from outer sources. Some still feel we belong in a kitchen instead of being CEO of a multi million dollar corporation.
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Question 1: Berger mentions that, “Naked is to be oneself and to be nude is to be seen naked by others and yet not recognized for oneself”. When he says this he means that through western art, women who are nude are objectified by an audience and is seen as a beacon of pleasure to her male viewers. Versus being naked, which to Berger means to be without clothing, but the woman can be more herself without spectators. These differences are significant because the woman’s facial expression is changed to lure in viewers as nude forms. Paintings such as the Jewel Case painting by Guillaume Seignac is the perfect example, because the woman’s face is contorted in a way of saying look at me or come here. (Image insert below)
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woman’s beauty is defined by men
Yes, According to Berger, women internalize the expectations of men, so in the case of *Vanity**, even though the woman is looking at herself, she does so through her understanding of how men look at her.
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Since the history of Adan and Eva, women were associated with sinfulness and desire. According to Berger, western works of art have defined women as the object to see and judge, and men seen superior and stronger than woman; the nudes being depicted for men consumption only. These paintings were like a beauty contest, and the prize of the winner was to be owned, this puts beauty as a synonym of money. Sometimes in the picture the woman was with a men lover, but she does not reply to his sexuality, because she is arranged for the spectator. Women in the European oil paintings have to be shown like they don’t have any interest as Berger said “they have to feed an appetite not to have any of their own” this is one clear example of how these depictions influenced the sexual role of the woman in society because for a long time the woman was not supposed to have any desire, it was not a characteristic of a woman, while for the men was normal to have sometimes a violent appetite towards women.
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1. Berger argues that being naked is to be oneself without clothes, to be nude is to be seen naked by others this is considered an artistic representation; these differences are significant because being nude is a form of art, when you are nude you are posing for others to see you, but when you are naked you don’t expect someone is seeing you, you are with yourself without any shame so it’s awkward if someone would. I think almost every time in a painting you can identify if the artist painted someone posing (nude) or if the artist had the intention to paint someone naked, this can be recognized in the attitudes the body takes when is posing, or the sensation of vulnerability the painting conveys when someone is painted naked.
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During the presentation, we see women using mirror to look themselves and Berger shows some arts where women are looking themselves in the mirror. What are they looking for by using the mirror? Are they looking the imperfection of the form of their body? we see that mirror is very important for women, they use it to see how they look or how they should look like. Women pay attention to every detail that has a connection to their face and body, they are worry about their beauty, they want to be perfect in the eyes of men. According to Berger, behind this glace, there is judgments. Even today, this old European art still affects the society where we are living. In our daily life we see that women are more interested to their beauty than men.
According to Berger, women internalize the expectations of men, so in the case of *Vanity**, even though the woman is looking at herself, she does so through her understanding of how men look at her.
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women than men
These differences don't really exist for men.
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Berger describes the significance of the mirror in painting depicting women as men hypocrisy while they drawing a naked woman , enjoying looking at her and been blamed by viewers Everybody look at her naked , and make their judgments on her .The ways beauty is defined in these painting is to be naked and being admired by the viewers . Female are as a site that people come to visit and being available to the spectator.He said displaying women nakedness they look like the expressing the body language which seems like when you look at her it is like she looked at you back and knows she doesn’t know you . The kind of more contemporary examples he relate this to for me is how women dress on stage when they want perform .and the connection is They really know that they displaying their body and want people to look at it
According to Berger, women internalize the expectations of men, so in the case of *Vanity**, even though the woman is looking at herself, she does so through her understanding of how men look at her.
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According to Berger , western works of art have depicted and defined in different roles for men and women because men looked at women and women watch themselves to be looked at .for example when a couple want to go out of dinner , the man takes a shot time to be prepared while the woman has a lot to do and takes long to get it done .Women really care of how people will look at them once they are out in public .And even before they go out they predict of how they should look .Yes these depictions influence the ways we think of the differences between men’s and women’s roles in society today . I even wander if that is not the root of the inequality of gender ?
So how does Berger describe this situation as shaping the roles of men and women?
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. He then adds saying a nude need has to be seeing as an object in order to be a nude. And that’s fact while looking at yourself naked does disturb as when others are looking at you naked .When you really display your nakedness, that gives people opportunity to judge , critic , or some even enjoying it when they are looking at .Yes it does apply on images that I have encountered in my experience . when I’m looking at myself I don’t have problem with that but when I am looking to some graphic of people I have that sensation that I want to be like them . maybe they big muscle than I have .
Not exactly, it's more that "nudes" are sexulaized representations of women to satisfy the desire of the male viewer.
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a woman looked at herself in a mirror picture into herself how men see her. Berger explained how the mirror helped women to see herself first and foremost as a sight. a mirror is a subject that allowed women to see how men see them. The mirror becomes a symbol of the vanity of women and the men hypocrisy is to blame for that. Beauty is bound to become competitive and who are not judge beautiful are not beautiful, those who are, are given the prize to be owned and be available to men desire. in paintings or photographs women gaze are similar and that is the expression of responding with charm to men who are looking at them. Who drew the painting had a purpose t
Yes, also think about why we associate this with "vanity."
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The different between nakedness and nude as Berger discussed, naked is to be oneself and nude is to be seen naked by others and yet not recognized for oneself. this is so important its the key to understanding the European oil paintings special the nude paintings and how they looked at women back then. When a woman is naked is to be herself and she chooses to be naked, but when a woman is nude that is for someone else choice and desire. I saw images for women some are naked and it applies to what Berger mentioned in his video about nudes and nakedness. these images meant to feed men’s sexual needs and desires, so now I understand that who drew these paintings or took these pictures has a purpose to fill out spectators ‘ desire.
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. When Berger’s talks about seeing he states it’s not as simple as we might think which he certainly makes a good point. He states what we do see now is determined by habits and conventions which isn’t “natural”. He refers to the invention of the camera playing this role of changing the way we see now as things that weren’t possible to see in front of us can now be seen from anyplace for anywhere. Artworks can now be affected by our surroundings that can be seen on different screens,papers,magazines,etc which is surrounded by different objects,sounds. This is significant as the perspective of us viewers which we see these artworks for instance like paintings can be now altered and affected. We no longer have to travel see what was once considered an original in a single place as it now can reproduced to be seen from anyplace around the globe. The way viewers now perceptive an author artwork can vary very different from what the author intended it to be interpreted as.
Yes, but also think about how we have been conditioned to see, both through our upbringing and by the artist.
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Unless you see a painting in person you will not be able to feel the true awe. A screen has flickering lights. It means that you will not be able to see the stillness that you would in person. A camera can move in or zoom around and they can even play music if you are watching on the TV. Even in a book you need to flip the page.
True, but this also liberates the image.
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.It used to be only one version and it is a context. That context was divided by a location like a church. Now it is possible to find many replications. The context can be shaped by anything surrounding any of the replications. Art books can focus on specific parts of the painting and do not show the whole thing. Before any replication could be made there was only one way to see a painting now there is a different meaning for every painting for everyone who sees it
This is part of it, but it also has to do with how the artist constructs perspective in the work and what the viewer brings to the painting from his or her own experience.
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when a camera is photographing a painting, it destroys the painting uniqueness
But it also liberates the image
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Berger by saying that process of seeing is not “natural” and it is shaped by habits and conventions, he means that human’s vision works instantly. First, the person receives the information through his vision, then he tries to explain it with words, influenced by his imagination, knowledge, and life experience. If there is a group of people looking at one painting, then, there will be a variety of “ways of seeing,” everyone will have his own visualization and description of that artwork. People can share with each other their experience of interpreting a panting.
Yes, and don't forget the artist's role here
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Habits and conventions play important roles in deciding how we see something.
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He explains this is only possible once it’s “false mystery and false religiosity” created by its monetary value.
Yes and this becomes a bigger issue in Episode 3
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How can we make art accessible to the everyone without losing its silence and stillness and without manipulation?
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Berger describes this from a strictly visual sense but it remains just as relevant for all of our senses of the world. The significance of this perspective in terms of painting is that our visual perspective of a painting defines our reality of the meaning behind the artwork.
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modern perspective.
Interesting term. What do you mean by this?
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hat means external factors like environment, the presentation, the technology belief and religion interprets what we see is different from what we understand.
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would say that reproduction of art can be adjusted to fit the desired context without any additional words needed.
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The origin of the reason for seeing some art pieces, that we can see in galleries nowadays, were related to the habits and conventions of back then society. I liked the example Berger used, concerning the art pieces as an integral part of an architectural structure. In particular, the renaissance church and its icon. The atmosphere and surroundings were closely corresponding with the artwork. Thereby the viewer could perceive the overlap of perception in addition. Nowadays, people are rather appreciating the beauty, craft, or the enormous historic and preservational value of the art. I perceived the video as the motivation that we should think about the meaning of things in general. To learn to analyze and be able to recognize the real meaning of everything around us to avoid preoccupation and bias.
This is true, but also think about it in terms of how our cultural and social experiences shape how we see things.
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he idea of “talking with reproductions” is sort of lost on me and I’m not sure I understand it
Think about it in terms of how images circulate to communicate and persuade. Advertising is probably the most obvious use.
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Additionally, when seeing art on a screen the viewer can’t zoom in and focus on specific parts of the art.
You can though
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With the transfer of pictures of artworks taken from one place to another, their meaning is modified without intention. It is used in more than one content and in more than one place at the same time, so it loses its first meaning board, and this is what Berger said. A specific painting can be imagined and given more than one sound perception. And that is what Berger has also tried
Say a bit more here. How does modifying the meaning of images make them into a ind of language?
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The camera transferred any artwork to be seen around the world. Not just where it is displayed in museums and the official exhibition spaces visible, but we can see them as pictures on any TV screen, book, or newspaper. And Berger added that seeing the painting in place and narrating the original version and you know that it is what people are copying is another kind of experience. And also mediating the image and giving it a close look with silence makes us realize the meaning of the painting in another way. Also, we can see accurate details inside a painting that cannot be seen from any photos.
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And every time the concept of the painting was changing.
Yes, but say more about how it changed
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The reason why John Berger describes the reproductions of the painting is that the art can lose its artistic value and its meaning to the people who are looking at the art from their home instead of looking at it in the original painting in the museum.
You're part way there. Think about what Berger says in the scene with the children.
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The difference is that the television screen gives you a few minutes to ponder and see the art it gives you little time to think about what you see then it throws you away to a commercial which leads you to lose your train of thought. When you are in a museum or in a book you have time to look over the painting as long as you want, and nothing is interrupting you from giving you an idea of what the painting is giving to you.
Interesting, and yes, this is one of many differences.
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John Berger argues that the way we see art will be different for the way other people might look at it, but when we add convention it can change other people’s ways of looking at the artwork it can lead to adding more questions than answers the second guess of what they once say adding more to it. This is important for many reasons as it can help you find a different message that a person might see in the art which will lead to agreeing and disagreeing with what you see, sometimes you second guess yourself on what you see in the art, however you leave with more questions than answer there are many ways to understand an artwork but none of them are incorrect.
I'm trying to get at how we bring our own experiences--social and cultural habits, etc.-to our viewing of images.
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According to Berger, cameras have completely changed our sense of perception because it helps to see such icons in the home. The images come to you through an image of painting which travels. He explained how the images he standing in the studio travel and and appears on screen the meaning of a painting no longer reside in its unique painted surface which it is only possible to see in one place at one time its meaning or a large part of its has become transmittable. Further he illustrates camera work of art transmittable has multiplied its possible meaning and destroyed its unique original meaning. Berger experience of being in the presence of an authentic art–at a museum, for instance–in term of “stillness” and “silence” is pureness because these things are important things in paintings. Painting as a whole is simultaneous. It is silent and still because their meaning in no longer attached to them but has become transmittable paintings lend themselves to easy manipulation.Painting themselves in the images is silent still. On the television or in a screen are never still and in a sense the pages of a book are never still but it demonstrates the silence and the stillness of a painting can be very striking.
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The uses of cameras help to see a mile away and how the use of cameras leads towards the creation of a fresh perception of the art. He added that with the invention of the camera we can view art everywhere outside of its intended environment as a part of building, museum, church and so on .However, in a modern perspective we are conditioned to see but as we lose its original purpose .
Good point.
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rger said the reproduce painting become a form of information. The way re produce picture use to convey massage or part of advertisement to see other product. They became open to interpret based on what we see before, after or next to the reproduce painting. we shape the meaning of a reproduce painting based on the way it presented to us.
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picture everyday
Say more about how your experience with these images--as a constant presences--were different from people before the camera who had to make pilgrimages to see them.
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When Berger said that the process of seeing is not “natural”, that it is shaped by habits and convention he mean the way we see everything around us is based on our reality and perspective. When we see an art our eyes and mind try to understand the meaning of art based on what we see in our daily life. our knowledge of our surrounding, our age and experience of communication, the way we try to understand and acknowledge other perspective is the reason the way we see and understand art. Our perspective on art also depend on how easily it is accessible to us. An art can have any kind of meaning but the way we interpret is based on our view on life not from the artist point of view.
Yes, and consider this from the artist's point of view.
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uses on social media to express ideas or comic
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The camera changed our senses of perception because the camera can copy the painting but the camera can’t copy the detail s on the painting the painters draw their artwork with specific details that showed in the painting had meaning. seeing an artwork in a museum different from seeing it on a screen or in a book has a different feeling that made you focus on the painting detail. And also you visit the museum to feel and do see the painting. On the other hand, you didn’t pay attention to the painting on the screen or the book you only care about the reading. In addition, you take silent moments with a painting that made you feel the theme of the painting.
Interesting, but also consider some of the advantages the camera offers.
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Berger means when he says that the process of seeing is not “natural,” that it is shaped by habits and conventions because everyone has a different living environment and we judge under many circumstances such as affection of our social vision on us, relationships, our customs, and traditions. Everyone has their own thought. also, we can see in one painting maxed feeling between happiness and sadness at the same time, I think that based on the viewer’s attitude or behavior can impact how to see or feel toward the painting.
Yes, also consider this from the fact that the artist also manipulates and shapes what the viewer sees.
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urchasing an original one.
It's not necessarily this specific. It's that images have been loosened from their original contexts and we can put them to any use we want, including in service to ads, etc.
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a deeper intimacy with it.
It's interesting that you put it this way because I think most people would see it from the opposite point of view, that it's more intimate to see the original "authentic" work. But, I can see what you're saying, especially in light of the fact that we can get essentially any image we want any time we want it on our phones.
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erger says the process of seeing is not “natural” but that it’s shaped by habits and conventions because every individual has a different perspective on how they see things. Like it said in the video the eye is like a narrow lighthouse going in. The eye can only see what is in front and depending on the person many habits can change the way they see things. Habits is an action an individual likes to do repetitively and this can lead to the way they perceive events or people. Conventions can be influenced by the specific event or character, items, etc. They shape the way we see things by the way it impacts on feels, mind, beliefs, likes or dislikes. This is significant because a viewers perspective had a lot to do with the way they think, feel and will say about an artwork. They can see it completely differently than what the painter intended to show and say.
Yes, great job.
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Part 3. By saying reproductions of paintings can become a form of information Berger is saying that the images can be used to convey a certain idea or narrative. This information could be further manipulated by what comes before, along side or after the images. He then goes on to say that this type of manipulation can be seen as talking. The images and how they’re presented could be seen as words in a dialogue used for many different purposes. Some of these purposes may include selling something, promoting an idea or movement, or educating people.
Yes, good job.
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Part 2. According to Berger the camera has changed our senses of perception because now we could not only see things that we could never see before, but we could also see them in different ways. Regarding artwork the camera could reproduce images in any size, anywhere and for any purpose. As for the “stillness” and “silence”, which he attributes to viewing art in a museum, what he means is that this experience goes beyond just what people teach about art. In fact he goes on to say that it seems that viewing art in this manner connects the moment in time the painting represents with the moment in time in which you are viewing it. He then adds that this experience almost makes one question how we measure time itself. He also says the reason why this type of viewing is different from seeing art in a book or on screen is because the latter two mediums are never still, and always moving.
Yes, this is a double-pronged effect: 1. the camera opens up infinite possibilities for us to view and alter images. 2. it also robs the original "authentic" image of its aura, or what Berger identifies as its "silence and stillness."
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Part 1. By saying that seeing is not natural and that it is shaped by habit and conventions Berger means that what we see is not just the object or image itself but rather our view or mindset of the image or object we are looking at. Our view or mindset is influenced by many things some of which are our environment, our upbringing, our societal status, our age, our gender, our mental state and society’s opinion on how we are supposed to view and perceive something. The list can go on and on and it is basically the sum total of our experiences in life and society’s norms which influence how we view or see things. And because of this, different people will view the same piece of art differently.
Yes, exactly right.
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Especially with the popularity of social media and usage of photoshop, everything can be a material for memes and advertisements, including art. So, the meanings of artworks become transmittable according to the topic of people using it.
Take this a bit further. How does this make images a kind of language?
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logic filter. For example, if we put a purple filter in front of a camera, every photo we take with it would be purplish. Likely to this example, the way people see is affected by their emotions and thought at the moment.
I'm not sure what you mean here.
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