I'll stick my head out here and say that we are 80% certain of being able to create a mass movement 10 times the size of Extinction Rebellion using this method organizations that can compete with fascism with power by dissolving that power through the same mechanisms Rogers discovered through listening

the most influential psychologist of the 20th century Carl Rogers as you may know discovered scientifically in the 1950s that listening to people and giving unconditional positive regard was the best way of helping them to heal and grow it was a revolution in understanding of the person and led to a massive change in how we look at psychological distress and the need for counselling

congruence was a big notion from one of my favorite psychologist carl rogers the humanistic 00:43:52 psychologist i don't know if you made that link yeah i did and i i got a little bit of a reference to him and it was fun with the publisher because i was like i i feel like rogers doesn't get the credit i 00:44:04 agree in the same way i i think it's like he's one of the most uh under explored um sort of insights but yeah the congruence was central to roger's view of things and like when you like think 00:44:16 about and rogers then swerves right into all the areas that you're the leading expert in and so that's why for me i felt like you would like this which is this congruence part of uh our ability 00:44:28 to get to self-actualization it doesn't guarantee it but i don't know how you live a self-actualized life if you're incongruent

i talked to todd rose about this notion of collective 00:00:51 illusions you know humans are a tribal species prone to conformity and in a lot of instances we act according to what our in-group wants rather than what we want as individuals ironically todd's research shows that we make poor 00:01:04 inferences about the majority consensus and that failing to recognize collective illusions can have negative consequences on our identities relationships values and society to avoid falling into conformity traps todd encourages us to 00:01:17 live congruent private and public lives that adhere to our personal convictions