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  1. Apr 2025
    1. n desire and will is entangled with his wife’s, which he discovers he can never fully know or control. Bill is moved from a position of knowledge to a position of doubt. The crux of the film rests on whether Bill will be able to move beyond his doubt to have trust in his wife.

      this is super interesting. your worth, like even the path to it, is obscured

  2. Mar 2025
    1. As Professor Sutherland observed, "If anyonerebels at the thought of entrusting this power to the nine Justices, he maywell consider for a while to whom he would prefer to entrust it; this canbe a sobering experience."' 22

      So it really boils down to this. Do we trust judges are not? If we do, then why not let them apply rational relationship. If not...why grant them the power to conjure "fundamental" rights in the course of pursuing their flawed and/or biased reasoning?

    2. but also reinforced my belief that this should not really matter.

      okay i'm very interested in this question of being like "i don't feel like I should need to ground my reasoning for something obviously desirable in the Constitution"

    1. the path to true professional success may lie not in competing harder for the increasingly unappealing rewards of established paths,

      is this accurate though? it seems that law / finance have become less grueling. in terms of career progression, yes, more grueling.

    1. uch atypical conversations yield novel information which, in turn, fosters social recombination, theformation of new groups and solidarities, and ultimately increases the cost of influencing a participant (mitigating defacto sybils).87

      this is the health KPI. How much are people willing to pay? sustainably?

    2. et, when it came to voting protocol changes, one-node, one-vote oered an important advantage: accountsin large pools were treated as the same entity with discounted inuence. So although solo accounts were only ~27%

      so system is held together, if it is, by people willing to pay f

    3. Morally, soloaccounts who joined because of the protocol’s egalitarian ambitions were wary to stay in a network captured bypuppeteers who extracted disproportionate rewards

      so this basically discincentivizes participation of the most relevant people

    4. nd verify their uniqueness in exchange for access to their private keysand controlling their accounts.

      power is being concentrated in the account rather than the person. that's fucked up. this idea of having to do some dehumanizing performance in order to access agency/power, your own

    5. establishing the informational uniqueness of participants—or the extent towhich they cluster with the same interests and biases, leading to tacit collusion that risks monopoly and majoritariancapture

      this is politics?

      taking a step back, the whole purpose of governance is making good decisions.

      and building a politiy is supposed to surface useful perspectives for informing / deciding.

      so it's like...put stuff in it's place? - informationally: prediction markets - what are these people good for? what's their connection to something real and material?

      counterpoint: this is an experiment lol

      also - selectorate, so you're like we can design th eselectorate in a way that promotes public goods (the mesquita arg) which is i guess what connects to the web3 ethos, in terms of public goods spending, but i mean...it's also this attack vector, making a democracy when there need not be one, and that being a way to yeah...okay but yeah i mean the broader question of where this fits...is informed by the experiment.

      DUDE proof of personhood is a red herring proof of personhood promotes the flawed narrative that better tools / design -> solves political issues like product issues, which it doesn't. it is anti human. it like....is human trafficking. it's literally becoming human trafficking. facilitating the financialization/assetization of people holly fuck,.

    6. ery 1 to 3 weeks) also increases the cognitive cost and lowers the chance of one person maintainingmultiple accounts.

      one way to reframe is like, what if you look at this simply as a way to measure how much value people are willing to put into having the potential of influencing a system?

    7. AFLIP is a cognitive test, consisting of a series of photos generated by other participants that convey an intelligiblehuman story in one conguration and are meaningless in another random conguration.9

      something to explore is contrast between mechanistic approach of protocol + humanity beingnnot that? it's ironic

    8. When referring to “Proof of Personhood,” this paper narrowly refers tothe subset of blockchain protocols that seek to oer a more egalitarian alternative to Proof of Work and Proof ofStak

      so i mean what's the case here? you want to construct a polity. you think that's nice. so you're acquiring the polity. proof of personhood should be conceptualized as redistributive policy, it's like inherently saying that you need to buy consent all while being like "oh we'll get a useful polity .

      like cost of creating implmeneting...??

    9. Achieving de jure sybil-resistance(ltering humans from bots) revealed a deeper challenge of de-facto sybil resistance (ltering humans acting likebots), which could not coherently or computationally be disentangled from the problem of collusion-resistance.

      exactly why are we so focused on "humans" well i mean we should be but the real problem is that there aren't resources/interests that would justify an engaged polity in the absence of bribery

    10. More striking, 3 entities controlled ~19% accounts and ~24% reward

      I'm pretty sure this got institutionalized as bribing. So what we've done is...create an economy, who benefits / what's the difference in how resources are distributed?

    11. By giving humans economic incentives to periodically dierentiate themselves from bots

      this idea of differentiation is insulting. why? well i hvae this intuition that it's dehumanizing and absurd to get people to distinguish themselves as human by doing rather banal things. if you just give up your fingerprint or some shit that's like...not even human.

    1. Some people have the luxury of working in their own, private offices - or at home. Most computer users don't. They're confined to open floor plan offices, hotel lobbies, bustling trading desks, loud workshops or busy stores. Most of them probably perform tasks where speaking - even if it had been in a quiet and solitary environment - is less efficient than typing, tapping or clicking

      this is like a marxist approach to product design

    1. In a widely read review titled “Left-Wing Melancholy,” he took aim at the New Objectivity, an artistic movement that satirized the vacuousness of modern life. These artists and writers, he wrote, had abandoned the “gift” of disgust with present material conditions in favor of rote, routine and self-flattering criticism

      mirrors the conservative dude's critique of Severance

    1. instead, she believes in the generative understanding that she can’t ever fully understand herself. “What is the point of this diary?” she asks. “There is always something deeper, that I don’t write, even when I think I’m saying everything.”

      is this how God feels? even the people who say God is perfect admit that he has an as of yet unmet need to understand himself.

    1. relationships; it is constituted of associations that constrain or exclude such relationships. Such associative institutions include not only explicit associations but also such things as morality, religions, family structures, community or regional loyalty, manners, and even language itself. Liberalism must seek to undermine these associations and replace them with economic and, therefore, formal relations

      society is held together hyperobjects

    1. Needless to say, all of the factors that created conditions for the expansion of childhood and adolescence have remained in place to the present

      is this the moral gravity of progress? expanding the amount of life spent in what we call childhood?

    1. And what happens in reality, when those that are already productive, only work so much more

      And this is backed empirically, like the study which found that AI benefitted the highest performing research scientists much more than lower performing research scientists.

    1. ‘I don’t want a socialism that, in order to eliminate social injustice, eliminates literature. Because for me, literature is as important as social justice.’

      interesting to define literature as something which inherently conflicts with social justice, at least in part

    1. "Hollywood was allowing Jews to progress in an industry where they wouldn't get the breaks otherwise; it was willing to accept them because originally the industry was considered so new and faddish that it wasn't going to last," Abrams tells the BBC.

      minorities and innovation

  3. Feb 2025
    1. But seven years on, the sulphurous stink of London’s breweries had become so great that it put the queen off from visiting the city at all if she could avoid it. Apparently assaulting her senses whenever her barge wended its way down the Thames, in early 1586 the authorities ordered the brewers to cease their burning of coal along the river. This time, however, the brewers responded in a way that reveals just far the use of the wood-saving art had spread. The city’s dyers and hatmakers, they said, as well as the brewers, had now all “long since altered their furnaces and fire places and turned the same to the use and burning of sea coal.” Dutifully, they offered to switch two or three of the breweries nearest to the Palace of Westminster back to burning wood, though pointed out that even just this would have a huge effect on the city’s fuel supplies, consuming a whopping 2,000 loads of wood per year.54Nothing more is heard of the matter in the state documents, so presumably the queen accepted their sacrifice

      interesting, they defied the queen, with consequences, but a "fair" arrangement was negotiated.

    1. more advanced approach is to use clever cryptographic trickery: for example, industrial-scale (but not consumer) AI hardware that gets produced could be equipped with a trusted hardware chip that only allows it to continue running if it gets 3/3 signatures once a week from major international bodies, including at least one non-military-affiliated. The signatures would be device-independent (if desired, we could even require a zero-knowledge proof that they were published on a blockchain), so it would be all-or-nothing: there would be no practical way to authorize one device to keep running without authorizing all other devices. This feels like it "checks the boxes" in terms of maximizing benefits and minimizing risks:

      So in theory this sounds great, from a normative perspective these are the sort of bodies we'd want to empower to slow things down. But might we be sacrificing security through obscurity? One benefit to things being a mess right now is that it's actually not clear who you'd need to target if you were trying to capture the state or monopolize some of these technologies?

    1. Of course, other things are generally not equal: there may be excellent practical reasons for designing a transport system that neglects some areas and facilitates access to others. But we can still recognise that in this respect, that transport system is less good than one which facilitates access to all areas of the city equally

      why?

    2. By imposing one partition of logical space rather than another, raising a question positively causally influences the probability that our discourse renders accessible information relevant to that partition to the conversational participants.

      so when you are usuing a tool you're also in conversation with other people right? everytime i do something on the internet it's sucked into one more more databases used by people trying to improve their services for other people.

    3. Why shouldn’t the search engine interpret the search as for pornography? In many searches, it is ambiguous what question is being asked. We need, then, a means of assessing the first task the search engine performs, the disambiguation of the question or set of questions the user is pursuing, and the partition of logical space that imposes. Relative to what set of norms does this assessment take place?

      incorporating user metadata increases likelihood of understanding user intent. but it also...privacy/blah blah.

    4. Under certain circumstances, it seems permissible, perhaps even mandatory for good search engines to prioritise some information above other information even when that frustrates the intentions of the user. The reasons for doing so are moral, or political: discouraging violence, or racist, sexist or antisemitic attitudes, for instance.

      interesting because deemphasizing Nazi speech also...just helps other people do their jobs

    5. We need to know what information users should have access to. What information is most relevant for them? We need to dig further into that epistemic question in order to provide the political ideal with a solid grounding.

      Who are we to determine

    6. One way of approaching the problem would be to not simply average over user satisfaction, but to develop a more complex scoring rule, one that took into account, for instance, the strength of user preferences, or the extent of their frustration.Footnote14 But it is hard to imagine such a metric succeeding in arriving at a functional search engine without it also excluding highly morally problematic intentions, or weighting minority interests more heavily to allow them to count against the majority

      why?

    7. This is clearly not an attempt to directly answer the question itself. In most other contexts, simply providing a list of resources in response to a question does not constitute a cooperative answer. So what is the kind of inquiry to which an ordered series of webpages could constitute an appropriate response?

      LLM is taking a sort of hybrid approach here, they do provide cooperative answers

    1. I let myself believe that I loved her. An event inside my own mind, but with grand consequences. I loved that she loved me, and she loved that I loved her. Now I see that our love was what we made of it. We made it. So now I can let go. I can let go because I know that if I created love once before then I can create love again. I know that there can be a second partner in creation. As for why things ended between me and Katherine—well, that’s none of your business. You’ll just have to have a little faith.

      "

    2. In other words: just go ahead and believe that you love her. That could make her love you. That could be the only thing that makes her love you.

      i did not believe lucia loved me.

      enough. and a part of her thought I didn't love her.

      but that isn't everything.

  4. Jan 2025
    1. In his view, a research program is progressive if the new theories make surprising predictions that are confirmed. In contrast, a degenerating research programme is characterized by theories being fabricated only in order to accommodate known facts.

      "a degenerating research programme"

    2. This, however, may be as it should since pseudoscience often involves a representation of science as a closed and finished doctrine rather than as a methodology for open-ended inquiry.

      so pseudoscience may not be about validity or methods, it might be about denying the spirit of science based on the arrogance in which it presents it's findings. it's reactiveness against criticism and categorical denial of the status quo, which it defines itself against, is a denial of the scientific method, and science as an open-ended endeavor.

      so i mean if you take that approach a lot of "science" is actually pseudoscientific.

      taking UAP as an example

    3. To the contrary, the fraudulent scientist is usually anxious that her results be in conformity with the predictions of established scientific theories

      well this raises questions about the political epistemology of science, yeah?

    4. mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method or as having the status that scientific truths now have

      i mean...it can be based on the scientific method and false, things that are scientific may not enjoy the status of scientific truths.

      egg case?

    5. doctrines, such as creationism, astrology, homeopathy, and Holocaust denialism that are in conflict with results and methods that are generally accepted in the community of knowledge disciplines.

      but they borrow the methods right? misapplied sometimes but borrowed? also holocaust denialism and astrology in the same list of cases is a bit...lazy

    6. misrepresentations of natural science promoted by creationists and homeopaths.

      we are entering an exceptionally turbulent epistemic age, such that authoritative texts should consider removing examples like "homeopathy" as paradigm cases of illegitimate endeavors

    7. The common usage of the term “science” can be described as partly descriptive, partly normative. When an activity is recognized as science this usually involves an acknowledgement that it has a positive role in our strivings for knowledge

      like murder

    8. Science education: The promoters of some pseudosciences (notably creationism) try to introduce their teachings in school curricula.

      lol is this really pseudoscience? perhaps if creationism necessarily entails the whole 2,000 years ago, humans walked with dinosaurs nonsense

    1. Rather than waiting for perfect miniaturization, the optimal strategy might involve what I’ll call “hiding in the future”: using relativistic travel to explore vast distances while experiencing only years of subjective time. This isn’t exactly unprecedented, as it has a parallel with biological preservation strategies we see on Earth. Just as bears hibernate to survive winter and tardigrades enter cryptobiosis to endure extreme conditions, relativistic travelers could effectively “hibernate” through dangerous periods of their civilization’s development by being unreachable to others while fighting entropy via time dilation.

      this is a brilliant idea

  5. Dec 2024
    1. For Naomi, the breastfeeding support included someone else unboxing her pump, handing her a piece of paper “with someone else’s notes,” and leaving the room. “I felt extremely lost, and had I not had some knowledge from the nurses at the hospital I came from, I don’t know how I would have fed my child,” she says. “I found myself texting into a void and waiting long periods for a response, with care members walking in unannounced.” She never felt comfortable enough to leave her baby in the nursery.

      this trend of underwhelming luxury experiences, perhaps beginning with FIRE festival, and bleeding up from premium mediocre

    1. Frankfurt argues that bullshitters misrepresent themselves to their audience not as liars do, that is, by deliberately making false claims about what is true. Rather, bullshitters seek to convey a certain impression of themselves without being concerned about whether anything at all is true. They quietly change the rules governing their end of the conversation so that claims about truth and falsity are irrelevant. Although bullshit can take many innocent forms, excessive indulgence in it can eventually undermine the bullshitter’s capacity to tell the truth in a way that lying does not. Liars at least acknowledge that the truth matters. Because of this, bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are.

      "They quietly change the rules governing their end of the conversation so that claims about truth and falsity are irrelevant."

  6. Nov 2024
    1. Co-founder Jackson Palmer left the cryptocurrency community in 2015 and has no plans to return, having come to the belief that cryptocurrency, originally conceived as a libertarian alternative to money, is fundamentally exploitative and built to enrich its top proponents. His co-founder, Billy Markus, agreed that Palmer's position was generally valid.[26]

      LMAO. LMAO.

    1. it also showed other virtues: when the results were coming out, while many pundits and news sources kept stringing viewers along with hope of some kind of favorable news for Kamala, Polymarket showed the direct truth: Trump had a greater than 95% chance of victory, and a greater than 90% chance of seizing control of all branches of government at the same time

      why are updating odds valuable for quickly resolving events?

    1. Silver’s claims that the 2024 election outcome is essentially a coin-flip. While this may be accurate—although 67/33 is pushing it—Coplan’s response partially serves to deflect future backlash about the accuracy of the prediction, to remind people that if something has, for example, 33 percent odds of happening, that means it still happens 33 percent of the time. But it also obscures the fact that the odds themselves and their attached returns, not just the events being predicted, are what reel people in.

      Prediction markets are the paradigm case for narrative flexibility. Prediction markets need not be correct, they need be plausible.

    1. To name just a few examples: Plato (4th century BCE) had Socrates say, in certain dialogues, that when poets produce truly great poetry, they do it not through knowledge or mastery, but rather by being divinely “inspired” by the Muses, in a state of possession that exhibits a kind of madness (Ion and Phaedrus)

      this connects to The Greeks and the Irrational: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0520003276/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    2. see Sawyer 2012: 89). But the most influential stage-theory traces back to Henri Poincaré’s lecture, “Mathematical Creation” (1908 [1913: 383–394]), in which he identifies four phases in his own innovative work as a mathematician: conscious hard work or preparation, unconscious incubation, illumination, and verification.

      creatiivty stage theory

    3. Socrates repeats this view in the Phaedrus: “Some of the greatest blessings come by way of madness, indeed madness that is heaven-sent” (244a). He adds that while a poet may have some kind of skill, anyone who aspires to make poetry purely by skill, without the madness or the muse, will fail (245a).

      what is madness? - misunderstood? - lost work? - capriciousness of gods?

    4. And this development can be substantially aided by learning certain heuristics. Heuristics are indeed a staple of education in creative pursuits from mathematics (draw the figure; consider special cases; consider extreme cases; generalize the problem; look for a related problem, etc.—see Pólya 1945; Schoenfeld 1982, 1987a, 1987b) to creative writing (write what you know; be specific and detailed in describing sensory experiences; practice seeing similarities between dissimilar things; show, don’t tell, etc.—see Bell & Magrs 2001; Anderson 2006; Maybury 1967; S. Kaufman & J. Kaufman 2009). Gaut also identifies several heuristics that might be used to foster creativity in philosophy, even among children (cf. M. Gaut 2010; B. Gaut & M. Gaut 2011).

      interesting, heuristics are value packed.

    5. a genius invents the rules, indirectly, by creating exemplary works from which other artists might extract rules and undertake “a methodical instruction in accordance with rules” (1790: §49 5:318 [2000: 196]).

      a genius "invents the rules"

      through imitation you might be able to develop the capacit yto create art from which others may derive useful rules

    6. he talent (natural gift) that gives the rule to art … the inborn predisposition of the mind (ingenium) through which nature gives the rule to art. (1790: §46 5:307 [2000: 186

      "the talent that gives the rule to art...the inborn predisposition of the mind (ingenium) through which nature gives rule to art"

    7. Intrinsic motivation is conducive to creativity; controlling extrinsic motivation is detrimental to creativity, but informational or enabling extrinsic motivation can be conducive, particularly if initial levels of intrinsic motivation are high. (1996: 107)

      "informational extrinsic motivation"

    8. Creative people are not merely able to act creatively. They are, moreover, disposed to exercise that ability, such that they do act creatively, at least some of the time, when the occasion arises. On this view creativity is a disposition, also referred to as a trait

      creativity is a dispoisiton

      creative AI or creative collaborative tools should push you towards creativity.

    9. At the outset of a creative act, you have to be to some extent ignorant of the end, or the means, or both. That ignorance opens up room for spontaneity and creativity.

      giving people fake problems? obscuring process?

      there's like the text based approach versus the visual approach.

      but people don't like want to have long conversation with AI? big assumption. i don't mind

    10. Boden says, “by dropping the home-key constraint”, the rule that a piece of music must begin and end in the same key. Lobachevsky and other mathematicians developed non-Euclidean geometry by dropping Euclid’s fifth axiom

      creativity through subtraction. but you're kind of like...dissolving one conceptual space but it still lives in another. like music must have vibration.

    11. ut how could that possibly happen?” (2004: 6). Boden calls this transformational creativity because it cannot happen within a pre-existing conceptual space; the creator has to transform the conceptual space itself, by altering its constitutive rules or constraints

      new genre, new form of content

    12. her view, there are “three types of creativity”—combinatorial, exploratory, and transformative—“which elicit different forms of surprise, [and] are defined by the different kinds of psychological processes that generate the new structures” (2010: 1, italics added).

      i was interested in empirical ontologies, i.e. what are the different types of table.

      creative ontologies are different. they're fluid. they're more like acceptable moves. or coherent moves. for a particular purpose.

      well, specifically for this combinatorial type

    13. In the terminology of philosopher Margaret Boden, these ideas are “psychologically creative” (P-creative) even though they are not “historically creative” (H-creative). Notice that P-creativity is more fundamental. Anything that is new in all of history (H-creative) must also be new to its creator (P-creative). Thus, creativity always exhibits psychological novelty, though it doesn’t always exhibit historical novelty

      although we do want P-creative to be H-creative

    14. According to a common interpretation, Kant defines (artistic) genius as the ability to produce works that are not only “original”—since “there can be original nonsense”—but also “exemplary”

      "original nonsense" lol

    15. Immanuel Kant (1724–1804) conceived of artistic genius as an innate capacity to produce original works through the free play of the imagination, a process which does not consist in following rules, can neither be learned nor taught, and is mysterious even to geniuses themselves

      so how to delegate the mechanistic aspects of creativity from Aristotle with the unexplainable free play of humans?

      some of those are material, like kids can play because they don't have to work, researchers can ideate because they aren't required to produce work of immediate economic value, but some can be delegated to tools right?

      like figjam. or increasingly openai

    1. This is why a basic and surprisingly robust heuristic works very well: The primary sign that somebody is anti-technological is incuriosity

      i struggle with giving up parts of my identity all the time. i just struggled with giving up the whole neo4j/graph modeling side of myself to focus more on hastening creativity. which is a process and UI problem, in my view, more than a technology and data problem.

    1. "I think what I love about Kneale is the doubt and uncertainty that you're left with after watching or listening to his plays," says Hurley. "He's very resistant to explaining too much. I'm a huge fan of writers like Robert Aickman and Shirley Jackson who are very similar in that respect. They don't over-explain, they don't give you the solace of saying, 'It's OK, we can think of it this way.' Those are the stories that haunt you. That's something I really try to emulate. If people go away with more questions than answers, I feel like I've done my job properly."

      okay I got to read this guy, this is how I feel. i want to build an intimate relationship with the reader and then unsettle them.

  7. Oct 2024
    1. Chomsky has long been an opponent of the statistical learning tradition of language modeling, essentially claiming that it does not provide insight about what humans know about languages, and that engineering success probably can’t be achieved without explicitly incorporating important mathematical facts about the underlying structure of language
  8. Sep 2024
    1. In April 2023, Mitsunori, 87, sitting in the family home adorned with photographs of his favoured second son, described how he rearranged the pins on his pachinko slot machines so that everybody in town thought they were a winner. His upfront losses were eye-watering. Then he moved the pins back into place — and started making serious money. Watching his father, Son learnt how to hustle. But the boy’s ambitions went way beyond pachinko gambling

      competition

    1. One difficulty with this response is that it appears unrealistic under current conditions: once a region has achieved full independence, it will have little incentive to continue to share its resources with the remainder state in order to preserve its welfare functions and there is no effective international agency to ensure that it does so.

      violence...

    2. Wellman, however, takes another approach. He argues that the continued sharing of resources from a newly created independent state with the remainder state need not be limited to instances in which the poorer region would be left unviable without the seceding region’s support

      this is one plausible reason neighboring states may accept literal secession. essentially protection money/goods/services.

    3. Moreover, the remedial right only approach need not reject claims to independence on the part of nations; it only rejects the much stronger assertion that nations as such have a unilateral right to secede

      so there's kind of two paths here.

      advocating for the stuff you want within the confines of state/s constitutions.

      advocating for states to grant you actual sovereignty over your archipelago

    4. Plebiscitary theories, in contrast, hold that the (pro tanto) unilateral moral claim-right to secede exists if a majority residing in a portion of the state chooses to have their own state there, regardless of whether or not they have any common characteristics, ascriptive or otherwise, other than the desire for independence.

      so this is the most relevant theory but network state theory as it currently exists assumes at least one common interest

    5. Remedial right only theories analogize the right to secede to the right to revolution, understanding it as a right that a group comes to have only as a result of violations of other rights

      sovereign individual rights blah blah blah

    1. Network union. A wholly digital entity, organized in a social tree structure, that engages in collective action on behalf of its members. The collective action is key for building organizational muscle. Network archipelago. A network union that begins acquiring and networking properties in the physical world. The physical interaction is key for building trust. Network state. A network archipelago that gains diplomatic recognition from at least one legacy state. The diplomatic recognition is key for attaining sovereignty.

      "from at least one legacy state", ?

      history and cycles -- we have the same with network states, no?

    2. And now we have a way to talk about origins in a realistic way. You’re founding a startup society. You begin as a network union, maybe crowdfund territory to become a network archipelago, and could someday grow into a network state. All of these are types of parallel societies

      okay, so this isn't a book about network states. it's a book about start-up societies

    3. controlled by private keys rather than a username/password combination, then the same encryption techniques that make it difficult for an outsider to seize an individual’s private keys can make it difficult for a foreign rival to steal a legitimate government’s private keys

      people are vulnerable

    4. Diplomatic recognition requires a putative state to have clout, and clout is in turn established by a publicly verifiable on-chain census of population, income, and real estate, to prove that your growing society is as large as you say it is. That’s why the aforementioned census is important

      why?

    5. In the meantime, physical law enforcement itself is gradually turning into something done with autonomous robots - whether they be legged robodogs, rolling cameras, or flying drones. So more law enforcement is being done from a command line. And that trend gradually converges with the concept of digital law enforcement by a network state.

      wtf does this mean

    6. but with one enormous difference, which is that if we can build many different startup societies to choose from, then there is much more practical consent of the governed, because there are many startup societies to choose from with explicit social smart contracts.

      how is this the case if your funds can be frozen? how do you exit? with what money?

    7. Ford could be a holocracy or a co-op. So long as everyone has consented to be governed by the Ford CEO by signing an employee agreement, and can leave if that agreement is no longer congenial, Ford’s internal arrangements are ethical.

      key. political philosophy, contractarianism.

    8. Admission to this social network is selective, people can lose their account privileges for bad behavior, and everyone who’s there has explicitly opted in by applying to join

      how do you keep people in or push them out?

      even status quo countries have issues with immigration, no?

    1. Either someone thinking about starting new countries must want to create a powerful new military (dangerous!) or else they don’t have any guns and will get crushed by those that do (dangerously naive).

      why is this naivee??????

    1. But the Network of the global Indian diaspora is just on an exponential rise. Indeed, I think the 2020s will be for the Indian Network what the 2010s were for the Chinese State - somewhat ignored at the beginning of the decade, but an important global force by the end of it.

      they're everywhere, running businesses, etc

    1. The less-obvious point is that BTC — and its adjacent group of web3 users — are becoming a media power that will eventually topple the NYT, much as the 20th century US’s media power eventually outcompeted that of the Soviet Union. Why? Decentralized media. You can see early signs of this with Substack, Mirror, and NFTs…but in brief, the best content creators have better things to do than work for the establishment. They can become publishers of their own, by founding their own media companies. As with the CCP’s transition to a martial power, the BTC/web3 transition to a money and media power is not at all conventional wisdom

      yeah

    1. We can synthesize these into a unified theory of cycles. The left cycle starts with a group of revolutionary leftists that then become institutional rightists. The right cycle starts with a group of determined rightists that then become decadent leftists. The libertarian cycle starts with a group of ideological libertarians that end up building a bureaucratic state.

      yes, insightful

    2. That’s why reopening the frontier may be the most important meta-political thing we can do to reduce political conflict.

      insightful.

      the salient point here is that frontier reduces pressure over scarce resources, and that politics (and economics) are conflicts over resources.

      social concerns are an exception ofc.

      but then again, federalism solution = reduce tension through states with different laws

    3. But if you track each of their careers back, you’ll see something like this episode, when Soros was funding Orban and both were on the same side as revolutionary forces against the Soviets. At that point in time, Soros was the philanthropist and Orban his protege, much as a venture capitalist might back an ambitious young founder. That’s a classic example of how backers seek leaders in the market for revolutionaries

      very insightful

    1. So, practically speaking, an “internet frontier” is easier than the other three. If we’re lucky, we’ll be able to use the concepts from the network state to reopen the physical frontier, through a hybrid internet/land strategy, as described in this book.

      okay nice

    2. Towards the end of this period, authors like Charles Nordhoff in Communistic Societies of the United States noted how important the frontier was, how bad it would be if that avenue for ambitious men was closed off, and how nasty the Trade-Unionists were getting

      isn't this a good argument for land first?

    3. Stories that decenter the US, in other words, but that still give the world hope

      star wars is a movie about al qaeda that we love.

      so another way to look at my constant nitpicking is as a first step towards thinking about what those inconsistencies mean for the theory itself.

    1. But most of the time biomedical innovators are portrayed as evil, with all the attendant consequences. False histories shape our reality. We all live in Jurassic Ballpark.

      i really want to progress my analysis beyond pointing out exceptions, like "Elizabeth Holmes", but...it just feels really polemical

    2. that their downranking of dissident voices not fully efficient, that their late-breaking attempt to impose speech and thought controls on a free society not fully consummated, that (a) the initial refutations were even published and (b) that you are seeing some of them combined into one document.

      this is a great reason to do primary sources, because they are harder to censor or distort.

    3. Power over truth. In these incidents, if you stop to count, you often realize that the reports were off not by say 50%, but by 1000X or more. Why do these “reporters” still have their jobs, then? Because their job wasn’t to make money, but to make power. That is, they weren’t trying to predict the future correctly for the sake of making good investments, but to repeat the party line to keep people in line

      I suppose this is the value prop of prediction markets.

      Aggregate all of this data into assessments (a) more accuracy, (b) reward people who are right

      which are "network-y"

      but they're not very good at...normative stuff?

      i.e. "will the u.s. invade iraq" versus "will the U.S. invasion of iraq on net be good?" i suppose you could be like "well here's a proximate milestone/kpi" but that seems kind of difficult to both create the market and attract sufficient good faith liquidity.

      i suppose you could like train models on successful people but then you need to know what information they used to make their decision.

      which tbh is why i like this data underlying prediction markets idea

    1. China’s lawful evil ambitions in East Asia should be tolerance for America’s chaotic evil interventions in the Middle East, that defending against a potential Chinese drone armada should mean acceptance of endless destabilization by the US military.

      this is over lol

    2. The Iraq War can be seen as a transition point, as can Samantha Power’s R2P doctrine that left Syria in ruins

      this is like...a crazy misrepresentation of what the article says.

      the article says that obama refused to intervene despite people like powers.

    3. Up to this point, these pushes have not been thwarted by the “ethics” of the US establishment, but by some combination of political opposition, Constitutional constraint, and bureaucratic incompetence.

      this incompetence is kind of the point of the system, right?

    4. Yes, you can argue the Chinese are building colonies in Africa…but they’re functional colonies, with new roads and ports to carry raw materials, unlike the blasted hellscapes left by US military intervention in Iraq, Syria, Libya, and the like

      it's kind of wild to blame U.S. for Syrian chaos.

      this is actually a great example of multilateralism run amok.

      assad faced an uprising because technology and "democracy" spreading through the middle east, there was a power vacuum, and everyone fought over it because U.S. had war fatigue. then ISIS appeared and everyone had to band together to beat it.

    5. The short counterargument is that it may instead be best for countries to rearm, and take on their own defense – rather than having an increasingly chaotic US try to fight a Second Cold War on others’ behalf in the middle of an internal Cold Civil War and what might become a Second Great Depression

      well...this isn't what folks think and for good historical reasons. including little polemical anti-interventionists like mearshimer

    6. The people of the State among the reds are more prominent. These are the secular nationalists, the national security hawks, the people who may not like the left-authoritarians but who will nevertheless reflexively support the US in every foreign intervention. They may agree that the US is trending in a bad direction, but they think China is far worse. As such, they’re still building drones, coding surveillance, and cheering videos like this one where the US admits to fomenting the color revolutions that are often otherwise denied.

      this is very...limited? leaves out domestic issues

    7. They realize on some level that (a) Network > State in many contexts and furthermore that (b) the Network-aided global ascent of tech founders and populist leaders could reduce their control over the State, so they have chosen to (c) strike first by gaining control of those tech companies that have achieved state-like scale.

      yup this is true / prescient.

      began in china

    8. Each member of blue tribe will have to make a choice in the years to come: are they loyal to neutral decentralized networks that treat both Americans and non-Americans equally, or are they actually just loyal to the US establishment — essentially nationalists in disguise?

      don't you want network state nationalists?

    1. If all you have to offer is a higher standard of living, people may come as consumers, but they won’t come for the right reasons. The consumer-citizen is coming to enjoy a great society, not to sacrifice to make a society great

      dude...i'm not sure this is true.

      people came to the u.s. for "freedom to practice religion", what does that mean?

      physical security and economic security.

      revolution kicked off for economic reasons?

      most secessionsist movements do too?

    2. Encryption thus limits governments in a way no legislation can. And as described at length in this piece, it’s not just about protection of private property. It’s about using encryption and crypto to protect freedom of speech, freedom of association, freedom of contract, prevention from discrimination and cancellation via pseudonymity, individual privacy, and truly equal protection under rule-of-code — even as the State’s paper-based guarantees of the same become ever more hollow.

      okay so this is my more fundamental issue.

      everything of value, or at least almost everything, has some sort of intersection with the real world. the more value the bigger the intersection.

      i don't understand how it could be otherwise unless you want to trade the physical world for living in some sort of VR reality.

      which lol would still require massive massive data centers and massive massive energy requirements.

    3. The State is Still A Leviathan

      okay here's another version of the critique: instead of viewing network states as this ethical alternative to the state, where the state is an ethical opponent to the network state, why not state that the goal is to capture the state, and reposition the state as a sort of minority/terrorist view.

      and these states can adopt new conventions (i.e. cryptocurrency standards, whatever) which while imperfect would affect the material lives of people.

      so it would be imperfect and perhaps supplanted but still advance history, which i think we think is good.

      and in this gerardian sense, you have to become the thing you hate to reform it in order to get to the next level.

    4. As incredible as it may sound, the blockchain is the most important development in history since the advent of writing itself, as it’s a cryptographically verifiable, highly replicated, unfalsifiable, and provably complete digital record of a system

      i agree with this, but again, physical land

    5. As a complement to mobile, the Network offers another way to opt out of State-controlled physical surroundings: namely, to put on a VR (or AR) headset, at which point you are in a completely different world with different people surrounding you and different laws

      sthiss reliant on states

    6. COVID-19 lockdowns may be just the beginning of State attempts to control Network-facilitated physical exit. But in normal circumstances, smartphones are helping people move ever more freely, while the borders of physical states are frozen in place.

      okay so again this cashes out in terms of why you want to start with physical

    7. people who live geographically near each other share values and (b) therefore laws should be based on geographic boundaries. The alternative is that only people who are geodesically near each other in the social network share values, and therefore the laws that govern them should be based on network boundaries

      ignores the economic/material factors that draw people together

    8. So it doesn’t matter how many nuclear weapons you have; if property or information is secured by cryptography, the state can’t seize it without getting the solution to an equation.

      well this isn't true, as various seizures have shown.

      the physical world still has primacy

    1. We can now think of written history as an (incomplete, biased, noisy) distillation of this full log

      interesting how do you do history given our current biolotical contraints? i.e., say we have all available data, you still run into the sampling bias problem

    1. But a full log, a cryptohistory. The unification of microhistory and macrohistory in one giant cryptographically verifiable dataset. We call this indelible, computable, digital, authenticatable history the ledger of record.

      interesting but how do you reconcile this with lack of identity data?

    1. America’s religious colonies succeeded at a higher rate than its for-profit colonies, because the former had a purpose. The slightly longer answer is that in a startup society, you’re not asking people to buy a product (which is an economic, individualistic pitch) but to join a community (which is a cultural, collective pitch).

      this is my core disagreement, religious movements need land

    1. Could a startup society follow a similar path? Yes. A cryptographically auditable census could prove that a growing startup society had 1-10M committed digital citizens, large cryptocurrency reserves, years of continuous existence, and physical holdings all over the earth. That numerical traction could then be used to achieve the societal traction of diplomatic recognition.

      if this is true, why aren't corporations states?

    2. we organize our internal economy around remote work, we cultivate in-person levels of civility, we simulate architecture in VR, and we create art and literature that reflects our values

      why remote work? i get that's some of the idea but...missing out on a lot of wealth and becoming very import dependent

    3. And finally we arrive at our preferred method: the network state. Our idea is to proceed cloud first, land last. Rather than starting with the physical territory, we start with the digital community

      i just disagree with this. not how it worked in the past. think of pioneers. some risk taking dudes got together, got some land, started from there

    1. As the population and economy of a startup society grow comparable to that of a legacy state, with millions of citizens and billions in income, it should eventually4 be able to attain recognition from existing sovereigns

      this is just silly. although - if you don't have useful natural resources or capital why invade. but if capital...goods

    2. should eventually be able to negotiate for diplomatic recognition from at least one pre-existing government, and from there gradually increased sovereignty, slowly becoming a true network state.

      i mean...maybe if it's in one place. in 20?

    1. moral innovation, a sense of national consciousness, a recognized founder, a capacity for collective action, an in-person level of civility, an integrated cryptocurrency, a consensual government limited by a social smart contract, an archipelago of crowdfunded physical territories, a virtual capital, and an on-chain census that proves a large enough population, income, and real-estate footprint to attain a measure of diplomatic recognition

      "a measure of"

    1. Still, some think Próspera may already be too far along to fail: There is simply too much capital already invested, too many commitments made, to have them torn apart in Tegucigalpa. The government is making “emotional arguments more than anything else,” González told me. “If they had the legal right to do what they’re trying to accomplish, they’d have already done it.”

      great writing. the parallelism

    2. He said he was inspired to help found Próspera after reading Machiavelli’s writings on the impossibility of reforming a system from within. “The idea is that if you go to a place where nothing, nobody has a stake, there’s no entrenched interests, you can make really deep reforms that won’t affect any of the players,” he said. Years of dysfunction and corruption would be replaced by radically simple governance. A free market and political stability would attract top innovators and investors from the West while empowering Latin America’s legions of microentrepreneurs — the guys on the side of the road selling oranges or “a chicken leg in a bag,” Delgado said — to grow real businesses.

      there's this idea that our existing institutions are so broken that they ought to be thrown out. this is...arrogant. existing institutions are, i hate to say it, lindy?

    3. Próspera is a private, for-profit city, with its own government that courts foreign investors through low taxes and light regulation. Businesses can choose a regulatory framework from a menu of 36 countries or customize their own.

      polywhatever governance

    1. But the timing of the indictment—in the midst of Telegram’s aggressive push to make crypto-backed financial services a central offering—speaks loudly, according to Seth Goertz, a former U.S. Attorney specializing in cryptocurrency and cybersecurity.

      interesting that US Attorney makes this claim about Telegram really being about crypto