Zierler: Totally fine. So why in the end did you choose Harvard? Shapiro: That’s a good question. I didn’t know anybody there. I went around and visited. [ ] Again, I applied to Columbia, because my parents would have liked me back in New York. But every graduate student I spoke to there without exception warned me against coming to Columbia. Zierler: Really? Shapiro: Yes, and the reason basically was they felt they were kept as slaves for 9 or 10 years as graduate students. Zierler: You mean before they defended? Shapiro: Yep, before they were allowed to finish, they were kept as slaves for their thesis advisors. The time to graduate was usually five, six years, something like that. At Columbia, the graduate students were kept on average, I guess c. 10 years—I don’t know the average really. But they were all telling me that it’d be 9, 10, 11 years.
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