another example of a kenning -- meaning the throne is of great importance

an interesting example of a kenning -- turning the ocean into whale road

an example of alliteration

Hrothgar feels blessed because of his position and wealth and wants to give back to the community.

I find it disappointing that people use the word pray in this context

Yes, does does seem unfair to Eve that she was literally made to be someone's husband without any choice

Any my husband will be blessed to have me as his wife

Booiiii my life isn't lazy, or idlee

This portion starts off with the descriptions of how Adam and Eve’s actions will forever change earth and how death and sin are now on earth. Death starts to kill things off, plants, animals, while evil will target mankind. It talks about the opportunity for forgiveness and redemption for mankind, to make it back into God’s glory and light. Again, Milton showcases Satan as a sympathetic character when he states that he was remorseful after Adam and Eve ate from the tree. God sacrifices his only Son to redeem mankind. It was quite bothersome for me to read Milton’s irony in his reference to the Pope and how he was the bridge to hell and the quickest way there, pretty much, was through the Roman Catholic Church. I feel like Adam and Eve are seen better in the eye’s of God after their fall. After the fall they are more willing to choose good, when they can also choose evil. They have a love for God that may not have been the same kind of love had they not fallen. Was the fall predestined? God told his Son that man would fall before it happened. It was a sad image for me when at the end it describes Adam and Eve walking away from the garden hand in hand. Paradise Lost was the hardest assignment this semester but definitely worth the read.

Milton has done an incredible job of turning the "fall" of man kind into something so emotional and gripping. He has given not just one point of view of the events that happened during the fall, but many from both sides that help the reader understand what was going through his head(Milton's). Even though these events are for the most part mythical(at least the details), he has done a great job at creating a story that gets you hooked. It's definitely worth multiple reads.

I get a picture of a rabid dog, or wild animal hunting for their prey, knowing that they're very much within grasp of their goal/target.

I really enjoyed reading these stories. The story of Adam and Eve in a new and interesting view. Watching the videos did help in understanding what I was reading. I think I will always side with Satan in this version of the story. He didn't mean to go against his father but also didn't and could never agree with the way he did things. They both talk about free will and how Adam and Eve always had a choice but in the end God said the chose wrong. I don't think they chose wrong, God just didn't approve of their choice as most parents do with some of their children's choices.

God cast the Forbidden Tree into Hell and as the serpents went to eat the fruit it all turned to ash.

God turns Satan and all his demons into snakes for punishment.

Satan is enjoying his success in getting Adam and eve to eat from the forbidden tree. He is happy that God has given up on his creations.

Satan ran back to Hell in fear of what God might do to punish him. He saw how harsh he was on Adam and Eve and did not want the same fate. Goes to show, no matter how old you are or how evil you are, you are still scared of your parents

So this whole thing is Adam asking God for forgiveness because he disobeyed him and instead obeyed Eve, his wife. Eve was meant to be "controlled" by Adam and be his helper not lead him to his fall. Adam never blames Eve for him eating from the tree but instead take the blame for being a poor husband and allowing Eve to eat it in the first place.

God is taking full credit for what Satan did in the Garden. He is telling the Angels that he asked Satan to tempt Adam and Eve to see if they would go against God's word.

The Guardian Angels are wondering how Satan go into the Garden of Eden and was able to tempt Eve and Eve her husband.

I enjoy these kind of themes, Optimism and Pessimism. Good and evil. Are we better or worse off now then 500 years of ago? We are definitely more affluent, but suicides are rising, resources are dwindling. Is there hope, or will the human race, and the universe, end? It's no surprise that this book is one of the most acclaimed for tackling these issues. And the ending, that was good. Knowing they've just broken the world so to speak, they are banned from paradise and forced to walk into a future of uncertainty and insecurity under the influence of Satan. They are unaware of the evil humans are capable of, but they were told that one day it would be fixed by God, the state of nature is not as it should be but man cannot fix it. You could say it has a happy ending, because a savior will come, but if there is no savior, then there is no hope. It leaves an impression to say the least. 9/10

After the fall the universe began to corrupt. I really like this idea, it would also make a great monologue for a movie. While the universe is corrupting, you could give this epic, dark, pessimistic dialogue between God and the Angels on the futility of obtaining harmony in anything, while cutting between shots of God, the universe, and Satan, but it's ok because there is hope in the end.

Various constellations.

The stories in these books are expanded versions of the telling of parts of Genesis, Exodus and visits the story arc of the Son of Man. It was very deep in religious views, but would randomly insert pagan mythology. Personally I would have preferred reading the story out of the Bible. This was really long winded and came across as someone who enjoyed hearing their own voice more than anything.

Exodus 19:16, 20:1-26. These speaks about Moses going up Mount Sinai and receives the 12 Commandments.

The writings are talking about Exodus 7-11. Where Moses is used by God to send the plagues to Egypt.

This is referencing Genesis 5-9. With Noah and the flood.

This is reference to Genesis 4 with Cain and Abel.

This start into Genesis 3:23-24. He goes into his version and accounts of the interaction between God and Michael. Adam and Eve are driven out of Eden and a Cherub waves a flaming sword to block the entrance.

Here we arrive at Genesis 3:16-17. Verse Genesis 3:14 was a very long description of Satan and other references to different mythology.

He is writing about Genesis 3:8-13. The interactions written in the Bible are more succinct and straight to the point with no emotional input. The following passages add his own emotional interpretation of this interaction. There's nothing new here, but how he views it.

Ok, so this portion starts with Adam’s questioning to Raphael. He is curious to know how he came to be, how this marvel of a place he is in came to be and the big question, why. Raphael tells him of Satan’s fall and how God wanted to populate heaven. He wanted to create a creature that was given free will and have them earn their way to Him. Milton wrote how God created man, earth, all living things in seven days. I’m not too familiar with Genesis, but I read on a site that Milton recounted the story in the same order as the Genesis story of the Hebrew Bible. Maybe he learned the Hebrew language because, at such an early age, he was considering going into the clergy, and maybe at this point, he started questioning things and what to better understand them, what better way to do so than to learn the language. That way nothing gets lost in translation. Raphael is telling Adam how man has free will and he is to do well, and do God’s will, and in the end be welcomed into heaven and be in His Glory. Adam tells Raphael what he remembers about the time he was created, Raphael does not know anything since he was guarding hell at the time. Adam talks about his feelings towards Eve. Adam says he knows she is the weaker of the two but at times he is the weak one when thinking of her and her beauty. When God was talking to Adam and told him no to eat from the tree of knowledge, I wonder why he told him that everything else he had created was Adam’s to own and name? That is a lot of power/control given to Adam. Adam asks God for a mate and makes his argument by stating how all the animals have mates, God was reluctant at first but ends up creating Eve for Adam from one of Adam’s own ribs. Milton writes how man is superior to women, best in everything. I wonder if he treated his wives as such, would that be why he was married several times? Milton has a recurring theme of failure, Satan falls, Adam falls to temptation, seduction, and Eve because of her vanity when she falls for Satan’s flattery. Eve and Adam eat from the tree of knowledge and have lustful sex. The morning after they both feel shameful. Milton believed that their relationship now was not good, since it went against God’s law. Their physical appearance is showcased differently now, less full of light.

“As real as the dream”. Is he saying that he prophesized what would happen? Or maybe it’s just a “it’s as tempting as I was told it would be”. Also every story references to this moment in the Bible, there must be some story out there that references something else I mean, c’mon

Thanks Raphael helping out the homies of the earth with them answers, because you know humans just mess everything up.

Man he went hella detailed on the creation of the Earth like damn could like make it shorter.

Oh you know, as apposed to Hell-like Angels.

You had only one command to follow and yet you would it be so easy to think : " hey I can do that" and yet they still fail.

After the group activity I do have a better appreciation for the text. Still, it's a little hard to take it seriously since it only loosely follows the bible, it's more syncretic. I think it affects me because I know his intentions from the opening prayer in book I, he prayed and asked the Holy Spirit for guidance, yet he incorporates many faiths. The problem is some of those things claim exclusivity. It'd be different if he intended to write a fiction.

Book 7: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ggO3aKcUv8 Book 8: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-YUj7BvYuA Book 9: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwMYwOX9bRE So i watched these before I started reading and it made it way easier to follow. I still enjoy reading this piece and still side with Satan. No one made Adam and Eve do anything. Its kind of like if Eve jumped off a bridge would Adam follow.... ? Probably but you get my point. There is a such a thing as free will. Rafael even tried to convince Adam not to believe anything anyone told him.

Satan is tempting Eve to eat the forbidden fruit and therefore cause the fall of Adam and all mankind.

Is this the creation of Jesus?

I feel like this is saying Don't ask questions you don't know the answers to..... Man is not suppose to be smarter than Angels. The only one who is "supposed" to have all knowledge is God.

They leave out vowels during this period of writing. Were they just not a thing?

Satan's evil ways are coming back to him. Kind of a you get what you give situation.

There are nine muses in Greek mythology: Cilo, Thalia, Melpomeni, Terpsichore, Erato, Polymnia, Ourania, and Calliope

Referring to the Greek winged horse and Hercules's best buddy, Pegasus.

Adam pleas for a companion like the animals have, who are supposed to be lesser than him. He doesn't want to be lonely.

How the earth, moon, stars, everything orbits/behaves.

After informing Adam of the creation of the earth, Raphael asks if there's anything else he wishes to know that is within the boundaries of knowledge.

Men must prove themselves obedient before they can enter heaven.

Ecclesiastes 1:18 For in much wisdom is much vexation, and he who increases knowledge increases sorrow.

Raphael prefaces his response to Adam with a question. Paraphrase: I'll tell you, but I'm a Seraph, not the Almighty, so even I don't know everything, and you being a man, may not understand me.

Another reason the audiobook is useful is so you don't read unnecessary pauses because the first word in every line is capitalized and there are no periods.

prohibit or forbid (something).

Urania is part of Greek mythology, goddess of music, song and dance. Milton claimed "Truth" could not be obtained, a concept known as Certainty. Because of this, he was very pluralistic as evidenced by the elements of different faiths in the text.

This passage seems to be describing Eve as having no knowledge and no wisdom. This is the brainless beauty trope. It's interesting to note, with all these fantasy conversations and interactions, he doesn't bring up Lilith.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BrainlessBeauty

The Bible refers to knowledge as being important. During this time seeking the existence of God would be through seeking knowledge. Mathematics, philosophy, science and other forms of art were heavily influenced by attempting to prove the existence of a god in the early days.

Here is a link with a collection of verses that this statement would be referring to. Since, the majority of the writing is based on Biblical texts.

https://www.openbible.info/topics/seeking_knowledge

He continues to draw inspiration from different books from the Bible. There are times where he brings in pagan mythology, but he uses them to embellish his writing. These books start to focus on the book of Genesis. The first few chapters in Genesis cover creation and Adam and Eve.

There are interpretations that Eve wasn't the first woman. Mainly from the fact that God created man and woman on the same day, but later created Eve from Adam's body. So, the timeline isn't clear on what happened before Eve or is the writing about the fall of Man happening on the same day God created Man. Jewish mythology does bring up Lilith as the possible first woman, whom is the mother of demons.

means a casual romantic or sexual relationship. or brief or casual involvement with something.

After eating the fruit they lusted after each other and had sexual relations.

The abandonment or renunciation of a religious or political belief. This is described in Timothy 4:1-5, 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 and in Revelations 2-3 the letters to the church.

these devils and demi-gods just love falling don't they? I though they already new they were no match for God.

either the spirits also have those qualities or the fruits do. a bit confusing.

interesting. God is all good, so if he gave this guy something than it must be a good thing, right???? He should be working with a company offering to buy people's retirement plans.

This was a little easier to read due to the video help! I did get bored in the Garden description but I found my way back. Once again, I take Satan's side. Milton really makes him look like a not so bad guy. I wonder why that is? I get why he is mad at God and why, even though he misses his father and home, he can never go back. It does make him look childish to want revenge on God.

spotted with shadows, affording shade

Satan seems surprised at how beautiful and wondrous God has made Paradise.

A cool way of saying that Satan is going to pretend that he is a cherub in order to spy on Adam and Eve in the garden.

As much as Satan wants to go back to God and ask for forgiveness, he knows that he can never bend to Gods will and follow something he doesn't believe.

I like this line. Satan questions why ambition is a bad thing. Kids are suppose to learn from their parents and most parents want their kids to do and be better than them. However God is punishing him for doing so.

This piece makes Satan seem sorry for what he thinks he HAS to do. He looks at Eden and back at Heaven in a woeful way like he might regret his decisions

Satan talks himself back into convincing Eve to eat the forbidden fruit.

Part 2 of 4 of Paradise lost. The Book that makes us like Satan like gee gosh this story is really good, I enjoy so much. But this one felt a bit harder to read but like after each paragraph I reread and its really good, still enjoying this.

Bad ? maybe i mean whats the worst that can happen...I guess I'll wait.

I mean when you put it like that. But also armies can be faithful to the leader and such.

So there are people that Live to love the pain of God? Since Satan is speaking this is a crazy deep message.

Milton really likes to give EVERY detail about the garden.Like what happens to the trees the plants and even the creatures that are in the garden,

This is some fancy gardens here , like man getting all that prime water and everything this place be the best.

I think you mean a Texans worse nightmare.

Welp this is not good, Thanks Satan. Oh wait that was his plan.

I'm not sure what to think about this. It's interesting to read dialogue from Adam and Eve and Satan and the Angels but the fact that it's from a Christian, who in the beginning asks for guidance from the Holy Spirit, you would think they would at least try to make it consistent with the bible. Eve is crying after the dream, there's not supposed to be sorrow in Eden. It's kind of takes me out of it. Even putting that he prayed in the beginning comes off as a little ostentatious IMO.

God wasn't even at 50% of his full power when he defeated Satan.

It's a cool story but how would Milton reconcile that there's anxiety in a perfect Eden?

Seeing Adam after the troubling dream gives her a sense of relief.

Hello MTV welcome to my garden, were we gonna tell some girl to eat an apple.

Ok, well I definitely found myself being more sympathetic to Satan. Sympathetic character for sure in these books. Boy was he relentless, taking shape of all sort of animals just to accomplish his task. Milton's writing is extremely amazing. From the use of similes to correlating language. Example, when Milton wrote of Satan's retreating army to a flock of sheep that will be driven to a cliff and fall, and Eve, mother of mankind, that could be to Mary, Mother of God.<br> On a side note, I read on quizlet that the word "all" was used 612 times in book 6, don't have time to go back and count them, I'll take their word, lol.

I was not aware that work was always a part of Adam's life. I thought it didn't come until after the fall. But nope, the bible says we've always had jobs, but I guess it got burdensome post-apple.

The passages about Adam and Eve are very short and do not have the impact of revolving around them. The story follows Satan and the interactions of the angels having with him. It embellishes the references that are giving in prophesies and visions in the books of Revelations, Isiah and Ezekiel more than anything. It covers many of the arch angels described in those passages. There is interesting aspects of the story inserting Greek mythology and other secular ideology. I have a feeling this probably brought some level of controversy.

Most of the writings about the war is really leaning on Revelations 12 and embellishing it. Most of his interpretations are coming from very few chapters from Revelations, Isiah and Ezekiel.

Zephyrus, sometimes known in English as just Zephyr (Ζέφυρος, Zéphyros), in Latin Favonius,[4] is the Greek god of the west wind. The gentlest of the winds, Zephyrus is known as the fructifying wind, the messenger of spring.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anemoi#Zephyrus

Just because you are among them does not mean you shall become like them. True. Just because you are among a certain group of people does not mean you should become like them. It could be that you are merely trying to understand them or maybe even helping them through your presence(assuming you're some kind of god)

It's the patient, timely revenge that is always the most effective. (hit them where they least expect it) Well, at least according to every movie and book in the history of forever. I wonder which plan all the Demi-gods will end up liking the most?

I could be wrong but it seems as if he is saying that earth was created/is a result of chaos, which could be true. (or in the very least has a strong argument)

https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2017/07/18/was-our-universe-born-chaotically/#3b82e2396598

sounds like humans are about to come into the picture. however, being equal to a Demi-God seems like a bit of a stretch.

Milton is attempting to have the reader sympathize with satan. Maybe not entirely sympathize, but more so understand why he does what he does and how, in the devils mind, he is justified in what he is pursuing and that he is truly "free" as opposed to the servants of God. The story is different, it's interesting trying to figure out the point that Milton is attempting to get across.

That must be to emphasize that heaven and earth were created as separate worlds along with hell, as its own separate world.

its that hunger for power, the want of "more" that seems to always lead to the downfall of so many important figures.

realizing the "sin" or wrong that they have done. Or maybe they're just conversing trying to figure out why what they did caused them to fall from grace.

The ones which are most likely to be easily convinced.

Smooth talking Satan and his plans to mess up mankind, the beginning. While at times this feels very hard to read, I will agree that this was WAY easier with an audio-book version. But also once again I'm not too deep into the religion as most people so most of the imagery went right over my head and I was just left wonder uh? What is going on her but there is at least a lot of resources to like understand what is going on in the certain part you are reading, Overall I'm enjoying this.

So the Greek gods boasted about their sons the Titans.

We call that thing a Telescope in this day and age, on the newspaper page.

So this dude has a pretty meh army, so like the bottom barrel army men here.

Why are the angels rebels, aren't they like supposed to be like the perfect people?

THE HELL COUNCIL we about to get spooky in here.

This sounds like the best name to a metal band ever. They might have a lot of songs about the bible.

Wow, yes, finally something soooooo interesting it is unreal! I enjoyed this so much. I enjoy reading narratives with interesting characters and plots so much better than letters and poems. I read the beginning twice, lol, threw me off just a tiny bit with the changing of past tense then present tense. It was 1am when I started reading. I love this so much because of the imagery I can apply to the reading. I’ve said this before, I do not like to read summaries or hints about what I am reading ahead of time. This story definitely surprised me, what a unique and interesting way to recount the story told in Genesis about the Fall of Adam and the lose of the Garden of Eden. Having done the biography on John Milton, I can clearly see him in the story, from religious messages, political themes, social themes and theology. I like the mirrored images between Heaven and Hell. I was wondering, if the disfigurement of the falling angels, was because they are now creatures of Hell, or is that symbolic of their lost soul? I am all about writing that makes me have a verbal or physical reaction, and boy did I have one when I read hell being described as a body whose whom would have to be torn open to expose the ribs of metal ore that are necessary to build Satan's temple. Lol, after my initial reaction I pictured that scene from Scrooged, when the ghost of Christmas future appears and his rib cage is housing trapped souls that look ugly and disformed. It was interesting to learn about the parallel trinities. I’ve always been familiar with The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit, but never would have thought of the opposite being Satan, Sin and Death. I like how how Sin and Death have personas. Very disturbing to read of the rapes Sin endures from her father and son, gross. I’m excited to continue reading.

The passage takes many references from the book of Isiah 14, Revelations 4, 12 and a few others. His writings really added embellishment and poetic style to those scriptures, but I found it extremely drawn out. These stories were based on only a few chapters from the Bible and nothing new was a real take away besides the poetic display of the events and some back plotting with Satan's council. It felt more about displaying his skill of writing poetically, but he could have viewed it as is prayer offering to the Lord maybe.

This entire passage shows inspiration from Revelations 4. But the author embellishes the descriptions greatly.

This passage might be referencing Revelation 4:10-11

10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,

11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Adam's sin by eating the fruit made all his sons after him guilty of his sin. Making the children pay for the sins of their parents.

The Son of Man refers to Jesus offering himself as the payment for man's transgressions. God accepts the offering to pay the price for man's punishment.

I wonder if he's saying that God brought this war on himself by casting them out, or if it's a reference to the problem of evil.

Ezekiel was a prophet who prophesied the end of days. They are written in Ezekiel 36 - 39.

O'm assuming he is referring to polytheism and the many gods that man created and worshiped. This relates to the prior statement of Devils being their gold laden Deities. They would be viewed as heathen views per Christian beliefs.

This story is a bit too religious for me. I knew going in that it would be but having to really read it was not fun. I found myself taking Satan's side a lot...... It wasn't all bad, the imagery was really good and I have to say I'd rather read this version of Satan's banishment than others.

Ashamed or humiliated

Encouragement to fall from God's grace and join Satan's demon army.

This is where Galileo's influence on Milton of religion and the world comes in.

Refers to the Titans of Greek mythology and the war at Mt Olympus.

This is a great line, I think it kind of applies to life sometimes. We can either let a situation get us down or we can pick ourselves up and move forward.

1. pitiful, sad. abandoned or lonely 2. unlikely to succeed or fulfill something, hopeless.

Satan wants God to prove that he is the all powerful. Satan believes that he can overthrow and defeat God.

How dare the most highly thought of Angel (Lucifer, God's right hand) betray God, his creator and fall from grace.

The fall of Adam (i.e. man) is what created the division of Heaven and Earth.

I think this is referring to a type of Purgatory place. Kind of an in between Heaven and Hell where creatures go when they die.

The Seraphim attend the throne that Yahweh sits upon and are a different order of angels. They are described in Isiah 6:2 and in Revelations 4:7-11. The odd part is that there isn't content of the Seraphim being warring angels.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seraph

This passage is referring to scripture. Most notably.

Revelations 20:10

1. and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

This would be done before the Great White throne judgment described in Revelations 20:11-15. Where those whose names were not written in the Book of Life, would also be thrown into the Lake of Fire.

What's interesting is that the Bible describes Death and Hades being thrown in as well. Describing them as two different entities, which has more of a Greek mythological tone to it.

Satan is said to be responsible for all other religions. That's why you see the names of Gods from other religions. It shows how the fallen angels have historically been responsible for all the evil in the world. Influencing the decisions of people since Eve.

Them getting cast out of Heaven supposedly happened before the creation of the universe. Per the sparknotes, they have been released from the chains because God allowed it, and have made their way to land.

Satan is determined to completely oppose God. While God intends to use evil for good, Satan wants to use Good for Evil.

Satan was a Cherub. a winged angelic being described in biblical tradition as attending on God. It is represented in ancient Middle Eastern art as a lion or bull with eagles' wings and a human face, and regarded in traditional Christian angelology as an angel of the second highest order of the ninefold celestial hierarchy.

Beelzebub is talking to Satan. Satan is still hopeful that they can overthrow God, but Beelzebub not so much. After witnessing his power, he now accepts God to be Almighty. Too late as they've been "swallowed up in endless misery."

Eve.

eating the apple.

He's praying to the Holy Spirit to help him settle the dispute about how the world began, or why mankind is fallen, thereby justifying God, or giving glory to God.

"Hell" is only referenced a few times in the Bible. Translated from the Ancient Greek word "Gehenna"

This was the ceremonial practice for Parliament. One person served to as the Sergeant of Arms and was the only one allowed to be armed with a sword to keep order. The Mace represented the official's royal authority.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serjeant-at-Arms_of_the_House_of_Commons_(United_Kingdom)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceremonial_mace

https://www.parliament.uk/about/how/role/customs/

Ok that took me way tooooo long to get through and I am still left confused. I am not a fan of the separate readings, they tend to throw me off and I lose focus. So King Charles was selfish and wanted all the power. Parliament was put in place but he was not seeking council with them or listening to the people. One part said how God chose the King, but another referred to the people choosing the King, and one day they were going to be unhappy and God would not come to their aid. Definitely gets a bit confusing when religion is thrown in the mix. One minute I feel like the reading is making a great case when just applying reason and common sense then it takes a different approach when applying religious arguments. I feel like King Charles was gracious in the way he went out. He spoke of how God knew the truth and he asked that they kill him quickly, I wonder how frightened he was, or was he now looking forward to meeting his creator. That whole first reading reminded me of the movie The Other Boleyn girl, I've mentioned it before in my annotations, exact part when queen Anne spoke before parliament of how God knew the truth and she was still executed. I wonder how different every thing during the civil war would have played out if John Milton was not around to publish all his information. The people demanded a voice and unfortunately King Charles was not open to change.

Dang that's some words of truth right there. I feel like there is a kid and all of us and sometimes the mischief leaks out, and you gotta be daring sometimes to pull those good pranks.

HOLY CRAP this is like unfun Law & Order, im like read the script to the parts where nothing exiting happens. Like jeez spice this up with like a dude getting hit with a hotdog SOMETHING. Like I get that you have to explain the who, what , when ,where ,why, and how but like mannn this was so boring I left like a pancake in water, there is something there but no substance( lets call it that for now).But I cant help to notice that something is missing but I dont know what.

Sure, Mankind has all this freedom but it sure doesnt feel like it.

I mean we cant go all out for this dude , like horse nah just walk on foot you silly goose , you have legs dont you ?

Everyone thinks God is on their side. Someone has to be wrong.

It's cool too get a parliamentarian perspective (hutchinson), moderate (hyde), and Royalist (Halkett). I don't know who I would side with.

She's saying women should never rule, that they should stick to uhh domestic duties.

It's good to have started with what seemed to be a transcript of the kings trial and the way in which each side defended their point. This gives a sort of premise the writings that follow covering topics regarding authority, law, wealth and how they all commingle with each other.

I understand what he's trying to say but not quite. While carnal desires can be viewed as not really being a sin, a desire to do bad such as hurting people, whether emotionally or physically, is definitely a bad thing/sin. But man's nature is another complicated topic that has numerous possibilities.

I did not mind this reading at all. I really enjoyed the in depth parts form John Milton. This guy had a crazy life. He pretty much went against anything King Charles did, it almost got him killed. He wasn't afraid to speak his mind about the inconsistency in the English government at this time. He was really a man for the people. I also enjoyed the reading of King Charles trial. He thought he was better than everyone until the very end and still could not understand why his people wanted him dead......

or if your name is David and you're fighting some dude named Goliath.

It is this hypocritical nature that has turned many people away from religion.It is a recurring theme throughout most of the works that we have read throughout the semester. Somebody proposes an idea and then attempts to use the bible or tie that idea somehow to religion in order to give it basis when in reality there is NO basis. It is founded in nothing and many times leads to needless suffering.

This reinforces the idea of "fairness" and that no one being is above any other. No matter how divine or godly that individual may be.

The system is so corrupt that it is breaking down from the inside and no one can stop it.

putting the fear of God in people and therefore the fear of the King.

Oh yeah, I can totally understand why he was imprisoned... He basically told everyone that King Charles was nothing without the power of the people. Perhaps this "tyranny" is what lead to King Charles's demise.

Hence King Charles was on trial and beheaded. If the King does not uphold the law how can he expect his people to. Kings are leaders and must set an example

Milton was on to something, perhaps this is part of the reason he was imprisoned by King Charles.

"You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villian." - You know

Thus, moral relativism was born, followed by the crises of authority and literally every other political issue.

the money possessed or available to a person or country.

Dualism. People always try to categorize others. I think people are more fragmented than that.

He's arguing for the absolute rule of a monarchy.

I'm not seeing how it (the divine rights of kings) "follows." This seems like a non-sequitor.

intense happiness.

I don't think I can say who was right, but I think I can say that Charles went out with dignity. Sometimes right and wrong can get so blurry, I'm glad we don't behead people anymore, especially when it's not "beyond a reasonable doubt."

So Charles was Anglican. I had trouble researching this. Everything pointed to him being on the fence of Catholocism and Reformed.

Ah, so Parliament judges the King, but who judges Parliament, and who judges the people? I guess that's another crisis.

If the King is above the Law, who does the King answer to? Who judges the King?

Authority is very interesting. King Charles presents his case of divine authority, and that he's answering to anarchists, while the self-appointed Commonwealth is basically holding him hostage under the accusation that the law is his authority and he's not abiding by it, so they are defending it. These crises of authority never end. I think this is the most topical reading so far.

I think this is saying that since a King is "chosen" by God and God is the father of all that the people are to follow their "father."

a person or thing from which a person, animal, or plant is descended or originated.

They really won't let that whole fall of man thing go....

The law of the land contradicts the law of the Bible. People are not meant to rule themselves, they are to live according to God's word.

you had to jump threw hoops to get here but you've finally made it

I love this. The people are who are supposedly the writers of the law. Unfortunately it is not always the reality but it is what true democracy should look like

The Lord is saying it is the job of Parliament to uphold the law that was created by the people. The people cannot protect themselves from the Kings and Queens that is why they have Parliament.

oh snap

"I'm essentially a deity, I should be untouchable"

King Charles I holds himself pretty high. He thinks he is above the law and that he IS the law. He doesn't understand why he has been brought to trial.

I'm sure hell plead guilty to all charges and be deeply dissapointed in his actions as I'm sure all high ranking officials plead whenever they are brought to court for high crimes. Right?

They had A LOT of security on Charles I.

At this time court hearings and trials were all open to the public.

Also known as the Lord Justice General. Something akin to America's Supreme Court Justices.

used as a preface to polite requests or instructions.

Never heard pray used this way.

King Charles kept his composure with people arguing why they should cut his head off. I don't know how many people could do that.

People were so expressive back then, at least the literate were. If we were reading sentences from the common man I guess not. We only see the highlights. It would be like an alien thinking all humans spoke like professors.

First! Hmm Wikipedia and this article state 1649.

Holy hot mess of a story and I LOVED IT, a bit long winded like at the questions part but I overalled loverd this world she mad reminds me of sci fi a lot. I had so many star wars and star trek vibes. The world is so vivid and colorful its like the utopia of some sorts but yet she just comes in and becomes queen. Her self-insert sorta feels overpowered with a great deal of plot armor.But hey I was mostly in this for the mythos and world building she provided in this story. Solid Story

So you telling me that the people making politics only have one body and one head , no two headed people allowed here.

It's like Rome Deluxe Super 2. Now with the talk about made stone and metals

With all the talk about the boats you would think she is still on one and this is all one crazy dream.

Of course this is the new aquaman all over they know the future and stuff.

Jolly green giant people over there. Always green with envy.

They must be the assholes of the story since they are in real life.

So like an ice breaker? or like is the ice above the boat

Tatooine vibes here, next thing you are gonna tell me its a hive of scum an villainy.

From what I know this shit is about to be real experimental.

If you compare this to something like animal farm where the animals are classes and do not get along. These animals remain isolated but interact civilly in "Peace and Happiness. A Utopian dream. About 350 years later and we're still working on that.

she get's kidnapped, thrust into another world, wants to rule that world, maintains a relationship with the empress while traveling between worlds, and then a bunch of philosophical stuff that I lost track of. This reading was actually quite interesting. Fairly easy to read through although whether I actually read it "correctly" remains to be seen

Not the heart, which we know can at times be irrational

It's scary to think about but although this statement is true, science seems to be going towards "Brave New World" territory. If we get to the point where we can nurture and birth humans outside of a womb, then what?