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    1. I am privileged in that I can make these choices. Not everyone is so privileged. I am hesitant to condemn those who choose to accept the help that shows up, and in so doing fulfilling their obligations of care to those in their lives. Insofar as these models empower people to build something good, and do so without overmuch suffering on their part, we must reckon with the value proposition there. It is a benefit, but it does not eliminate the attendant harms.

      exactly. like I was told by someone in Central Asia, I'll get to your western environmental concerns after I can reliably feed my family. Not a fully correct distinction, but fully understandable when seen from a perspective of agency povert. n:: externalities concerns v-a-v agency poverty