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how central Relevance Realisation is. We did arguments around the nature of problem solving.
for - adjacency - relevance realisation - problem solving - source - Meaning Crisis - episode 29 - Getting to the Depths of Relevance Realization John Vervaeke
adjacency - between - problem solving - relevance realisation - adjacency relationship - Relevance Realisation is very central to the meaning crisis - It plays an important role in the nature of problem solving - in the Search Space, as proposed by Newell and Simon, they are two important issues: - Combinatorial Explosion - Problem Formulation or Problem Framing is required to avoid combinatorial explosion by zeroing in on relevant information - problem of Ill-Definedness - very often a problem formulation is needed in order to determine what the relevant information is and what the relevant structure of that information
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collaboration
for - relevance realisation contributors - source - Meaning Crisis - episode 29 - Getting to the Depths of Relevance Realization John Vervaeke - Tim Lillicrap - Blake Richards - Leo Ferraro - Anderson Todd - Richard Woo - Christopher Mastropietro - Zachary Irving -
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- Meaning Crisis - episode 29 - Getting to the Depths of Relevance Realization John Vervaeke
- relevance realisation contributors - source - Meaning Crisis - episode 29 - Getting to the Depths of Relevance Realization John Vervaeke
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Numinous - picked up of course, by Jung - to describe what the original, the primordial experience of the numinous is
for - definition - numinous - primordial - Otto - source - Meaning crisis - episode 33 - The Spirituality of Relevance Realization - Wonder/Awe/Mystery/Sacredness - John Vervaeke
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Gnosticism, of course, is a way of trying to awaken us to the primordiality of, and the mystery in some important sense, of Religio.
for - definition - Gnosticism - source - Meaning crisis - episode 33 - The Spirituality of Relevance Realization - Wonder/Awe/Mystery/Sacredness - John Vervaeke
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What we do when we go into a sacred setting, is we play with Meta-… We have psycho-technologies - and I'll come back and give a [-] clear definition as we work that out, of a psycho-technology - but we have psycho-technologies that allow us to do this serious play with sacredness so that we are constantly being homed against horror.
for - in other words - going nto a sacred setting - is a counter force to alienation - source - Meaning crisis - episode 33 - The Spirituality of Relevance Realization - Wonder/Awe/Mystery/Sacredness - John Vervaeke
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horror would be to be overwhelmed by loneliness. Would be overwhelmed by homesickness, cultural shock and a tremendous sense of alienation, absurdity, and anxiety.
for - definition - horror - alienation - source - Meaning crisis - episode 33 - The Spirituality of Relevance Realization - Wonder/Awe/Mystery/Sacredness - John Vervaeke
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if you go to another culture and you don't go through the participatory transformation, right? If you don’t, and you're just experiencing culture shock - domicide - the agent arena relationship isn't in place! Then none of those other meaning systems can work for you. There'll be absurd. They won't make sense. That's what he means by it being a Meta-Meaning system.
for - adjacency - culture shock - example of domicide - when the agent-arena relationship is not in place - participatory knowing - meta-meaning system - source - Meaning crisis - episode 33 - The Spirituality of Relevance Realization - Wonder/Awe/Mystery/Sacredness - John Vervaeke
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that deep loneliness, that deep homesickness, that deep cultural shock, that's domiciled.
for - definition - domicile - source - Meaning crisis - episode 33 - The Spirituality of Relevance Realization - Wonder/Awe/Mystery/Sacredness - John Vervaeke
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to reflect upon, to celebrate and enact Religio is to fundamentally enhance our agency, the disclosure of the world and our connectedness to it. And what else could be more valuable to us? What else could be more valuable to us?
for - quote - to make significant, to reflect upon, to celebrate and enact Religio is to fundamentally enhance our agency, the disclosure of the world and our connectedness to it. And what else could be more valuable to us? What else could be more valuable to us? - source - Meaning crisis - episode 33 - The Spirituality of Relevance Realization - Wonder/Awe/Mystery/Sacredness - John Vervaeke
quote - to make significant, to reflect upon, to celebrate and enact Religio is to fundamentally enhance our agency, the disclosure of the world and our connectedness to it. And what else could be more valuable to us? What else could be more valuable to us? - John Vervaeke - (see below) - And we do this, I would argue, - for the very good reason that - to make significant, - to reflect upon, - to celebrate and enact Religio - is to fundamentally - enhance our agency, - the disclosure of the world and our connectedness to it. - And what else could be more valuable to us? What else could be more valuable to us?
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I’m always seeing by means of the I”. It is phenomenologically mysterious to [us], but it doesn't mean that I'm unaware of it. I always have - to use older language, from the course I mean - I always have a subsidiary awareness. I'm always aware through my “I” of my “me”. I'm always aware through my framing of my framed. I'm not completely out of touch with it. It is not inaccessible to me, but I cannot focalised it.
for - quote - subsidiary awareness - I cannot finalize it but can be aware of it - source - Meaning crisis - episode 33 - The Spirituality of Relevance Realization - Wonder/Awe/Mystery/Sacredness - John Vervaeke - definition - subsidiary awareness - source - Meaning crisis - episode 33 - The Spirituality of Relevance Realization - Wonder/Awe/Mystery/Sacredness - John Vervaeke
quote - subsidiary awareness - I cannot finalize it but can be aware of it - John Vervaeke - (see below) - I’m always seeing by means of the I”. - It is phenomenologically mysterious to [us], but - it doesn't mean that I'm unaware of it. - I always have a subsidiary awareness. - I'm always aware through my “I” of my “me”. - I'm always aware through my framing of my framed. - I'm not completely out of touch with it. - It is not inaccessible to me, - but I cannot focalised it.
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I can't use the grammar of subjects and objects, subjects and predicates, conceptual categories to talk about this (RR transjectivity) in the sense of exemplifying it!
for - definition - relevance realisation transjectivity - source - Meaning crisis - episode 33 - The Spirituality of Relevance Realization - Wonder/Awe/Mystery/Sacredness - John Vervaeke
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The machinery of Relevance Realization is in that sense, deeply phenomenologically mysterious to me.
for - quote - the machinery of relevance realisation is deeply phenomenologically mysterious to me - source - Meaning crisis - episode 33 - The Spirituality of Relevance Realization - Wonder/Awe/Mystery/Sacredness - John Vervaeke
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But what is precisely not inside the frame is the framing process
for - adjacency - framing process is outside of ANY frame we create -- eye cannot see itself - source - Meaning crisis - episode 33 - The Spirituality of Relevance Realization - Wonder/Awe/Mystery/Sacredness - John Vervaeke
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Relevance Realization is taking place at a level fundamentally deeper than the level of belief.
for - Relevance realization is pre-conceptual - it takes place at a level deeper than the level of beliefs - source - Meaning crisis - episode 33 - The Spirituality of Relevance Realization - Wonder/Awe/Mystery/Sacredness - John Vervaeke - to - YouTube conversation - Micheal Levin, John Vervaeke, Gregg Henrique - 2024 // ,- comment - In light of studying a John's concept of relevance realisation now, - after partially annotating the - Micheal Levin, - John Vervaeke, - Gregg Henrique - YouTube conversation, I should return to that annotation to - finish it and - take a more critical look for comparison between - Micheal Levin's goal oriented behaviour definition of life that drives and expanding cognitive light cone and - John Vervaeke's relevance realisation
to - YouTube conversation - Micheal Levin, John Vervaeke, Gregg Henrique - 2024 - https://hyp.is/go?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DrAlmzRTbGDE&group=world
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the death example actually points to something more primordial! It points to the fact that I can never make a focal object of my framing, my capacity for Relevance Realization. I mean, Perspectively. What I mean by that is whenever I am thinking or doing anything, [-] it's always framed because if I'm unframed, I'm facing combinatorial explosion, which is not intelligible to me.
for - key insight / adjacency - relevance realization - I can never make a focal object of my framing, my capacity for relevance realization - source - Meaning crisis - episode 33 - The Spirituality of Relevance Realization - Wonder/Awe/Mystery/Sacredness - John Vervaeke - adjacency - focal object - framing - relevance realization - attention - intention - language - gestalt - infinite nesting - design - aspectualize - - source - Meaning crisis - episode 33 - The Spirituality of Relevance Realization - Wonder/Awe/Mystery/Sacredness - John Vervaeke
adjacency - between - focal object - framing - relevance realization - attention - intention - language - gestalt - infinite nesting - design - aspectualize
adjacency - between - focal object - framing - relevance realization - attention - intention - language - gestalt - infinite nesting - design - aspectualize
adjacency - between - focal object - framing - relevance realization - attention - intention - language - gestalt - infinite nesting - design - aspectualize - adjacency relationship - As soon as we give attention to one aspect of our gestalt reality, we aspectualize, we frame - All of the below involve framing / aspectualizing - thinking - language use - design
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it is phenomenologically impossible for me to Perspectively know what it is like to be dead, because whenever I try to conjure up a frame (indicates the smallest, central box in the diagram), “Oh, I'm in a dark room! But wait, I'm still there in the dark room. There's the hereness and the nowness… Oh well, then I'm nowhere! Well, then I'm just an empty…!” No matter what I do, I can't get a framing that has within it my own non-existence, perspectively.
for - example - what's it like to be dead? - phenomenologically impossible for me to perspectively know what it's like to be dead - source - Meaning crisis - episode 33 - The Spirituality of Relevance Realization - Wonder/Awe/Mystery/Sacredness - John Vervaeke
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my insight goes from a reframing to a transframing, because I stopped having insights about my focal problem [and] I start getting an insight, not about just the problem or the world, I also - remember of the sensibility transcendence; I'm also getting an insight into the inadequacies of my style of framing, my way of framing - I'm getting a trans-framing happening.
for - definition - transframing - source - Meaning crisis - episode 33 - The Spirituality of Relevance Realization - Wonder/Awe/Mystery/Sacredness - John Vervaeke
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article there called “A Secular Wonder”
for - article - A Secular Wonder - Paolo Costa - source - Meaning crisis - episode 33 - The Spirituality of Relevance Realization - Wonder/Awe/Mystery/Sacredness - John Vervaeke - to - paper - A Secular Wonder - Paolo Costa - from book - The Joy of Secularism - 2011
to - paper - A Secular Wonder - Paolo Costa - from book - The Joy of Secularism - 2011 - https://hyp.is/Lj9-Ss7DEe-_3TvpOSe_Ew/www.academia.edu/433395/A_Secular_Wonder
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Wonder isn't about solving a problem. Wonder is about remembering Sati, your Being, by putting you deeply in touch
for - quote / comparison - wonder and curiosity - source - Meaning crisis - episode 33 - The Spirituality of Relevance Realization - Wonder/Awe/Mystery/Sacredness - John Vervaeke
quote / comparison - wonder and curiosity - Wonder isn't about problem solving - it is about remembering, by putting you deeply in touch with religio
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the point of wonder is, if curiosity gets you to focus in on specific features of the world, specific objects, wonder tries to get you to participate in the gestalt, the whole
for -comparison - wonder and curiosity - source - Meaning crisis - episode 33 - The Spirituality of Relevance Realization - Wonder/Awe/Mystery/Sacredness - John Vervaeke
comparison - wonder and curiosity - curiosity drives you to focus and aspectualize one specific aspect of reality - wonder drives you to participate in the entire gestalt
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Religio is… I'm using it in a spiritual sense, [in] the sense of a pre-egoic, ultimately a post-egoic, binding that simultaneously grounds the self and its world.
for - definition - religio - John Vervaeke - means to bind together, to connect. Here it is used in the sense of binding that simultanously grounds the self and its world - source - Meaning crisis - episode 33 - The Spirituality of Relevance Realization - Wonder/Awe/Mystery/Sacredness - John Vervaeke
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Relevance Realization is Pre-Egoic. By the time you have ‘you’ in a ‘commonsensically’, obviated world of meaningful objects and situations, Relevance Realization has already done a tremendous, tremendous amount of work.
for - quote - Relevance realization is pre-egoic - source - Meaning crisis - episode 33 - The Spirituality of Relevance Realization - Wonder/Awe/Mystery/Sacredness - John Vervaeke
quote - Relevance realization is pre-egoic - John Vervaeke - (see below) - Relevance Realization is Pre-Egoic. - By the time you have ‘you’ in a ‘commonsensically’, obviated world of meaningful objects and situations, - Relevance Realization has already done a tremendous, tremendous amount of work.
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Being able to pay attention to your mother and pick up on how she's communicating with you and make inferences from that so that you start to categorize the world and figure out that this is a bottle presupposes this (RR). And that points to something else: this is Pre-Experiential.
for - relevance realization is pre-experiential - source - Meaning crisis - episode 33 - The Spirituality of Relevance Realization - Wonder/Awe/Mystery/Sacredness - John Vervaeke
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it's deeper than your ego, it’s deeper than your judgements of truth, goodness and beauty. It's deeper than your propositional thinking. It's deeper than your conceptualisation. The way that can be spoken of is not the way!
for - Meaning crisis - episode 33 - The Spirituality of Relevance Realization - Wonder/Awe/Mystery/Sacredness - John Vervaeke
question Relevance Realization - Depth? - How deep is it? - It's deeper than: - ego - your judgments of truth - goodness and beauty - your propositional thinking - your conceptualization - The way that can be spoken is not the way
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- key insight - relevance realization - I can never make a focal object of my framing, my capacity for relevance realization - source - Meaning crisis - episode 33 - The Spirituality of Relevance Realization - Wonder/Awe/Mystery/Sacredness - John Vervaeke
- definition - domicile - source - Meaning crisis - episode 33 - The Spirituality of Relevance Realization - Wonder/Awe/Mystery/Sacredness - John Vervaeke
- quote - subsidiary awareness - I cannot finalize it but can be aware of it - source - Meaning crisis - episode 33 - The Spirituality of Relevance Realization - Wonder/Awe/Mystery/Sacredness - John Vervaeke
- Relevance realization is pre-conceptual - it takes place at a level deeper than the level of beliefs - source - Meaning crisis - episode 33 - The Spirituality of Relevance Realization - Wonder/Awe/Mystery/Sacredness - John Vervaeke
- definition - relevance realisation transjectivity - source - Meaning crisis - episode 33 - The Spirituality of Relevance Realization - Wonder/Awe/Mystery/Sacredness - John Vervaeke
- quote - to make significant, to reflect upon, to celebrate and enact Religio is to fundamentally enhance our agency, the disclosure of the world and our connectedness to it. And what else could be more valuable to us? What else could be more valuable to us? - source - Meaning crisis - episode 33 - The Spirituality of Relevance Realization - Wonder/Awe/Mystery/Sacredness - John Vervaeke
- example - what's it like to be dead? - phenomenologically impossible for me to perspectively know what it's like to be dead - source - Meaning crisis - episode 33 - The Spirituality of Relevance Realization - Wonder/Awe/Mystery/Sacredness - John Vervaeke
- article - A Secular Wonder - Paolo Costa - source - Meaning crisis - episode 33 - The Spirituality of Relevance Realization - Wonder/Awe/Mystery/Sacredness - John Vervaeke
- definition - religio - John Vervaeke - means to bind together, to connect. Here it is used in the sense of binding that simultanously grounds the self and its world - source - Meaning crisis - episode 33 - The Spirituality of Relevance Realization - Wonder/Awe/Mystery/Sacredness - John Vervaeke
- adjacency - culture shock - example of domicide - when the agent-arena relationship is not in place - participatory knowing - meta-meaning system - source - Meaning crisis - episode 33 - The Spirituality of Relevance Realization - Wonder/Awe/Mystery/Sacredness - John Vervaeke
- definition - subsidiary awareness - source - Meaning crisis - episode 33 - The Spirituality of Relevance Realization - Wonder/Awe/Mystery/Sacredness - John Vervaeke
- adjacency - framing process of outside of ANY frame we create -- eye cannot see itself - source - Meaning crisis - episode 33 - The Spirituality of Relevance Realization - Wonder/Awe/Mystery/Sacredness - John Vervaeke
- definition - horror - alienation - source - Meaning crisis - episode 33 - The Spirituality of Relevance Realization - Wonder/Awe/Mystery/Sacredness - John Vervaeke
- relevance realization is pre-experiential - source - Meaning crisis - episode 33 - The Spirituality of Relevance Realization - Wonder/Awe/Mystery/Sacredness - John Vervaeke
- question - how deep is Relevance Realization? - source - Meaning crisis - episode 33 - The Spirituality of Relevance Realization - Wonder/Awe/Mystery/Sacredness - John Vervaeke
- comparison - wonder and curiosity - source - Meaning crisis - episode 33 - The Spirituality of Relevance Realization - Wonder/Awe/Mystery/Sacredness - John Vervaeke
- quote - Relevance realization is pre-egoic - source - Meaning crisis - episode 33 - The Spirituality of Relevance Realization - Wonder/Awe/Mystery/Sacredness - John Vervaeke > quote - Relevance realization is pre-egoic - John Vervaeke
- adjacency - focal object - framing - relevance realization - attention - intention - language - gestalt - infinite nesting - design - aspectualize - - source - Meaning crisis - episode 33 - The Spirituality of Relevance Realization - Wonder/Awe/Mystery/Sacredness - John Vervaeke
- quote / comparison - wonder and curiosity - source - Meaning crisis - episode 33 - The Spirituality of Relevance Realization - Wonder/Awe/Mystery/Sacredness - John Vervaeke
- to - YouTube conversation - Micheal Levin, John Vervaeke, Gregg Henrique - 2024
- Meaning crisis - episode 33 - The Spirituality of Relevance Realization - Wonder/Awe/Mystery/Sacredness - John Vervaeke
- quote - the machinery of relevance realisation is deeply phenomenologically mysterious to me - source - Meaning crisis - episode 33 - The Spirituality of Relevance Realization - Wonder/Awe/Mystery/Sacredness -
- definition - numinous - primordial - Otto - source - Meaning crisis - episode 33 - The Spirituality of Relevance Realization - Wonder/Awe/Mystery/Sacredness - John Vervaeke
- to - paper - A Secular Wonder - Paolo Costa - from book - The Joy of Secularism - 2011
- in other words - going nto a sacred setting - is a counter force to alienation - source - Meaning crisis - episode 33 - The Spirituality of Relevance Realization - Wonder/Awe/Mystery/Sacredness - John Vervaeke
- definition - transframing - source - Meaning crisis - episode 33 - The Spirituality of Relevance Realization - Wonder/Awe/Mystery/Sacredness - John Vervaeke
- definition - Gnosticism - source - Meaning crisis - episode 33 - The Spirituality of Relevance Realization - Wonder/Awe/Mystery/Sacredness - John Vervaeke
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from - Meaning crisis - episode 33 - The Spirituality of Relevance Realization - Wonder/Awe/Mystery/Sacredness - John Vervaeke - https://hyp.is/FF8Nus6qEe-q25_Ha0_WGw/www.meaningcrisis.co/ep-33-awakening-from-the-meaning-crisis-the-spirituality-of-rr-wonder-awe-mystery-sacredness/
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- Jun 2024
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www.dalailama.com www.dalailama.com
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he read Buddhapalita’s commentary and came to a full realisation of emptiness
for - quote - emptiness - Je Tsongkhapa's realization
quote - (see below) - Je Tsongkhapa was dissatisfied with explanations he had - received - sought out and - read - all the extant texts on emptiness and their commentaries and - analysed what he read to reach the correct view. - In retreat he had a vision of Manjushri, after which - he read Buddhapalita’s commentary and - came to a full realisation of emptiness. - He understood that - because things are dependent on other factors - they are empty of inherent existence; - but they are not non-existent. - Neither - non-existent nor - inherently existent, - they exist as functional phenomena, - but only by way of designation.
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docdrop.org docdrop.org
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here's also a kind of Shadow side to this approach which is which we could call maybe religios as opposed to religious in in 00:03:51 English it's religious o-s-e adjective and um this is very very common actually in ecological language whether it's in newspapers or books or anything music art anything that says that there needs 00:04:05 to be a very profound sudden massive change in ourselves um is is I think a dangerous
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- the idea that we need a profound, sudden and massive change in ourselves in a dangerous notion
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- it presumes we have a deficit as an ecological being
- when in actual fact, we cannot be otherwise
- so instead, our job is to awaken our already ecological nature
- by this, we mean our deep, intrinsic ecological nature as ecological (interdependent) beings
- we humans have a strange and very limited kind of interdependence, which is exploitative to other people and other species
- we have to become aware of that culturally conditioned limitation
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you don't 00:33:51 have to be ecological because you are ecological yeah you do not require some kind of massive transformation something in here knows that you're an ecological being 00:34:06 because you are you're a life form yeah all you have to do is notice right that you are already yeah and my cat for real knows I'm an ecological being right that my cat Oliver is relying on me to give 00:34:20 him the food every day he knows that he coexists with me in some kind of relationship right so we don't have to think anything special right we have to do things right we have to do things and 00:34:33 the thing we have to do is incredibly simple to say we have to stop burning carbon um that's it right you just have to stop it
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- we just have to realize we already are an ecological being
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academic.oup.com academic.oup.com
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- Relevance Realization and the Emerging Framework in Cognitive Science
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- John Vervaeke
- Timothy P. Lillicrap
- Blake A. Richards
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- Oct 27, 2009
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But the book’s enduring appeal—the reason it might interest someone whose life no longer demands the writing of anything longer than an e-mail—has little to do with the rigors of undergraduate honors requirements. Instead, it’s about what, in Eco’s rhapsodic and often funny book, the thesis represents: a magical process of self-realization, a kind of careful, curious engagement with the world that need not end in one’s early twenties.
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en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
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Computers can only deal with well-structured problems
ie, "well-defined problems" in John Vervaeke's language. Cultivation of wisdom, per Vervaeke, is developing the capacity to navigate a ill-defined problem space, and realize (ie, recognize, and make real) what is relevant to resolving the situation.
Examples of ill-defined problems: - how to take good notes? - how to tell a funny joke? - how to go on a successful 1st date? - how to be a good friend?
May relate to Shapiro's "role theory". Needs further research
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- Jun 2021
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www.migrationencounters.org www.migrationencounters.org
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I could see them--that they were advancing in life, and I was still in the same spot. So I asked my mom if I could get a job, and that's when she broke it down to me that I wasn't even from here. And that was right there like a slap in the face.
Time in US - immigration status - being secretive - lost opportunities
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github.com github.com
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The main realization came when I figured out that the main_model was just another association. This means we can move a lot of logic to just that class and reason about it a lot better.
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behavioralscientist.org behavioralscientist.org
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Epistemic Humility—Knowing Your Limits in a Pandemic—By Erik Angner. (2020, April 13). Behavioral Scientist. https://behavioralscientist.org/epistemic-humility-coronavirus-knowing-your-limits-in-a-pandemic/
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christmind.info christmind.info
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Whether or not you have gotten any clear grasp of what has just been stated, do not discard it asimpossible of comprehension. For in every line is hidden a meaning that will more than repayyou for the study necessary to make it become clear.This Message is to awaken you to a realization of what You are, to a realization of your real Self.It is intended to make you once more conscious of Me, your Divine Self, so conscious that neveragain will you be deceived by that other self, which you have imagined as being you and whichso long has lured you on by feeding you with its unsatisfying sense pleasures, its mentaldissipations and emotional delights
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