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  1. Aug 2023
    1. Damanhur’s mock battles prevent the kind of burn-out you find when the most empathetic people in a community get tasked with dealing with the emotional needs of others, putting a lot a strain on the shoulders of a few.
    2. she writes about her time cutting and baling hay, making butter, driving a tractor, cutting firewood, baking bread, and taking care of children, animals and the wellbeing of her peers.
      • for: intentional communities, intentional communities - failures
      • comment
        • modern, industrialized society is still a massively interdependent system
        • what many who start intentional communities don't realize is this refined interdependency give us a lot of time savings
        • we find that out when we live in an intentional community and have to make everything ourselves
    3. When the Welsh social reformer Robert Owen established New Harmony in 1825, on 20,000 acres in Indiana, he attracted an enthusiastic following, gaining more than 800 members in just a little over six weeks.
      • for: intentional communities - case study - New Harmony
      • paraphrase
        • New Harmony
        • Year: 1825
        • Location: Indiana
        • Size: 20,000 acres
        • Members: 800 in first 6 weeks
        • ideals
          • environment
          • education
          • abolish private property
        • problems
          • low percentage of hard skills
            • 140 of 800 had skills contributing to local industry,
            • 36 were skilled farmers
          • indiscriminate and allowed too many without skills to join
          • intentional communities are often the most attractive for a dangerous constellation of actors
            • dreamers,
            • drifters,
            • seekers in need of belonging,
            • the needy and wounded,
            • the egomaniacal and power-thirsty
            • free riders, lazy and without skills
          • founder was absent a large percentage of the time
    4. the more relevant drivers that cause many communities to unravel sound more like the challenges afflicting any organisation today: capital constraints, burn-out, conflict over private property and resource management, poor systems of conflict mediation, factionalism, founder problems, reputation management, skills shortage, and failure to attract new talent or entice subsequent generations.
      • for: intentional communities, intentional communities - failure
      • paraphrase
        • reasons for failure:sound more like the challenges afflicting any organisation today:
          • capital constraints,
          • burn-out,
          • conflict over private property
          • conflict over resource management,
          • poor systems of conflict mediation,
          • factionalism,
          • founder problems,
          • reputation management,
          • skills shortage,
          • failure to attract new talent
          • failure to entice subsequent generations.
    5. the irony is that many of the administrative and managerial forces that individuals are running away from within mainstream society are exactly the organisational tools that would make intentional communities more resilient:
      • for: intentional communities,
      • irony
      • paraphrase
        • the irony is that many of the administrative and managerial forces that individuals are running away from within mainstream society
          • are exactly the organisational tools that would make intentional communities more resilient
    6. attrition rates for intentional communities are not all that different from many other types of human endeavour.
      • for: stats, intentional community, intentional communities, - stats - intentional communities
        • intentional communities fail at a rate slightly higher than most startups
        • startup failure rate is around 90%
        • longevity of Fortune 500 companies listed in 1955 to 2017
          • failure rate of 88%
        • S&P companies average lifespan: 15 years
    7. Generally, intentional communities fail at a rate slightly higher than that of most start-ups. Only a handful of communities founded in the US during the 19th century’s ‘golden age of communities’ lasted beyond a century; most folded in a matter of months. This golden age birthed more than 100 experimental communities, with more than 100,000 members in total who, according to the historian Mark Holloway in Heavens on Earth (1951)
      • for: stats, intentional community, intentional communities, stats - intentional communities
        • intentional communities fail at a rate slightly higher than most startups
      • for: intentional community, intentional communities, eco-community, ecocommunity
      • title
        • Utopia Inc Most utopian communities are, like most start-ups, short-lived. What makes the difference between failure and success?
    1. “If everyone did it the world would be a better place.”
      • for: intentional communities - failure
      • comment
        • moral highground and not actually having a collective scaling strategy are the reasons why this typically fails
    2. these kinds of issues are systemic and intrinsic and maybe even foundational to intentional communities.
      • for: intentional community, intentional communities, intentional communities - failure
      • claim
        • intentional communities have a fatal flaw, an intrinsic Achilles Heel
    3. 478 intentional communities since the 1820s have now shrunk to 112 worldwide in the last 30 years)
      • for: intentional community, intentional communities, intentional communities - failure, stats, stats - intentional communities
      • stats
        • of 478 intentional communities since the 1820s,
        • 112 exist worldwide in the last 30 years (1988 - 2018
      • for: intentional community, intentional communities, intentional communities - failure, stats, stats - intentional communities
      • stats
        • of 478 intentional communities since the 1820s,
        • 112 exist worldwide in the last 30 years (1988 - 2018
    1. how do you how do you think about what that community looks like and how you communicate that because in many senses you could say obviously you're hoping to build utopia 00:09:30 not dystopia right but but utopia and dystopia are different things with different people right and you could start out on this journey with uh with everyone saying we're going 00:09:42 to go to here point point a and then actually they decide their life changes they have a family or whatever they want to go over here and they put a lot of time into this or and equally point a could actually end up not looking like what they want to to be 00:09:55 part of how are you managing that journey for the people as part of the path
      • for: intentional community, intentional communities, DAO community, decentralized cities, Jonathan Hillis, Nora Bateson, intentional communities - failure
      • comment
        • this is a critical question
        • unfortunately, many people have tried living in intentional communities over many decades and the success rate is not high
        • listen to what Nora Bateson has to say about her experience of living in idealistic intentional communities and why they fail

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      https://hyp.is/ISC75i5JEe6lgW93D0Ye_A/docdrop.org/video/GE39xfNRRyw/

    1. I   grew up at Esalen and all these crazy new age-ey  sort of places, and I can tell you that I have   00:54:38 seen every flavor of self-help and personal  development that you could shake a stick at.   And none of them work. They all breed assholes.  I mean, I'm sorry, but if you're an asshole,   there's no way around it. Nothing's going to fix  you. And if you're not an asshole, then everything   is going to make you less of an asshole. So the reason that's important is that there's   00:55:02 a lot of pressure on how people should live, how  they should think, how they should be, how they   should feel. And this top-down instructional of  telling people how to live, think and feel is,   I think, a completely un-ecological process that  is interrupting the possibilities
      • for: intentional community, intentional communities,
    2. I can tell you that   my experience is that intentional communities  are not only not fun, but a disaster.   00:51:53 And one of the reasons they're both not fun and  a disaster is that they have a mission statement.   They already know where they're going and there's  some abstracted map-like idea that everyone thinks   that they're cohering to. But then it turns  out that everyone actually interpreted that   differently and the way they interpreted it  yesterday changed. And so that thing becomes   00:52:16 the territory on which you are in polarity with  each other and not the thing that you agree about.   The thing you fight about most is the mission  statement.
      • for: ecological civilization
        • Nora Bateson
          • Nora shares about the many diverse intentional communities she has lived in and found them all dysfunctional.
          • The problem is that they have a mission statement, a purpose.
          • The perspectival knowing is different for each person.
          • How do you nurture unintentional community?
          • support unintentional possibility
          • top-down instructional is an unecological process
          • The question "who can you be when you are with me?" is preferred over "what should you be?"