- Sep 2023
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- for: bio-buddhism, buddhism - AI, care as the driver of intelligence, Michael Levin, Thomas Doctor, Olaf Witkowski, Elizaveta Solomonova, Bill Duane, care drive, care light cone, multiscale competency architecture of life, nonduality, no-self, self - illusion, self - constructed, self - deconstruction, Bodhisattva vow
- title: Biology, Buddhism, and AI: Care as the Driver of Intelligence
- author: Michael Levin, Thomas Doctor, Olaf Witkowski, Elizaveta Solomonova, Bill Duane, AI - ethics
- date: May 16, 2022
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- a trans-disciplinary attempt to develop a framework to deal with a diversity of emerging non-traditional intelligence from new bio-engineered species to AI based on the Buddhist conception of care and compassion for the other.
- very thought-provoking and some of the explanations and comparisons to evolution actually help to cast a new light on old Buddhist ideas.
- this is a trans-disciplinary paper synthesizing Buddhist concepts with evolutionary biology
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Self is an illusory modelling construct created by perceptual systems of Agents
- for: definition, definition - self, compassion, science - compassion, self-illusion, self-illusory, nilhism
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- Self is an illusory modelling construct created by perceptual systems of Agents
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- Self is an illusory modelling construct created by perceptual systems of Agents
- Agents construct models of causal Selves for others, and for ourselves, using the same machinery.
- The same mechanisms that cause an agent to act toward stress reduction in itself
- (even though the beneficiary of those actions is in an important sense impermanent)
- can be expanded to extend to other Selves.
- In this way, while our focus is on understanding and formulating Self in a way that is applicable to a broad range of scientific contexts,
- we also see ourselves as here contributing to the treatment of perennial issues in contemporary Buddhist philosophy
- such as the feasibility of genuine care in a world without real individuals
- we also see ourselves as here contributing to the treatment of perennial issues in contemporary Buddhist philosophy
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- the last statement has always been a paradox for me
- Buddhist teachers often warn of how mistaken, immature views of emptiness can lead to harmful action
- Indeed, if no selves exist, then over can easily mistaken nilhism as the logical behavioural conclusion
- yet, teaching texts make clear that there is something critical the student has missed it they come to that conclusion
- the transformation is missing its most important element of that false conclusion persists
Tags
- self - illusory
- self - illusion
- Bill Duane
- defintion - self
- Care as the Driver of Intelligence
- Olaf Witkowski
- nonduality
- self - constructed
- self- illusion
- nilhism
- multiscale competency architecture of life
- no-self
- science - compassion
- care drive
- bodhisattva vow
- Buddhism - AI
- definition
- emptiness
- AI - ethics
- Thomas Doctor
- Michael Levin
- Elizaveta Solomonova
- self - deconstruction
- cognitive light cone
- bio-buddhism
- care light cone
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- Jan 2023
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docdrop.org docdrop.org
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we're telling ourselves hey no elephant in my house nothing to worry about whereas the self that we really think we have is that self which is always 01:16:36 subject never object always agent never patient that self that is the enjoyer that stands opposed to the world and experiences it that acts on the world 01:16:49 the self that has a mind and has a body but is not itself a mind or a body that's the serpent and chandra kerdi thinks that if we don't pay attention to that serpent if we don't understand what 01:17:02 it is we believe ourselves to be in our heart of hearts we will never succeed in dispelling the illusion and hume also is trying to identify here 01:17:14 the serpent and he's identifying it as the idea that the word self even means anything
!- Chandrakurti : don't fool yourself about the elephant - keep your eye focused on the serpent - the actual FEELING and BELIEF that you are what experiences the mind and body, that you are the subject that witnesses all objects - this is the REAL sign that you are attached to the serpent, still caught in the self illusion. --This is the subtle self deception that is extremely difficult to overcome, the innate self illusion that comes from a lifetime of affective conditioning - to upright this innate self-illusion requires monumental effort - actions speak louder than words! - Hume is in essence saying the same thing as Chandrakurti
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there is a difference between the 00:33:06 serpent and the elephant and that we do atavistically think that we are something other than our minds and bodies and i think that the serpent is real that is the serpent is the illusion illusory self that we need to get rid of 00:33:19 and so even if it's crazy to think that we are such a thing and when we say it out loud it sounds stupid and incoherent that doesn't stop us from believing it because we are stupid incoherent kinds 00:33:31 of beings wired for stupidity and incoherence with the task of somehow trying to unwire ourselves into something approaching inside
!- defining the challenge : we are stupid, incoherent kinds of beings who are swayed by the illusion
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now i want to introduce you to my favorite 00:24:20 illusion which is going to be important because i'm going to use it as a model for everything that we're going to talk about later when we talk about the self and that's the mueller liar illusion so here we have two lines with little arrowheads and 00:24:33 those two lines those two parallel lines are exactly the same length as one another you can sort of line them up visually and see that um but the arrowheads on each side make the 00:24:44 top line look much larger than the bottom line and the amazing thing about the mueller liar illusion one of the reasons i like it is a it's really easy to draw and b um even if you know that it's an 00:24:56 illusion you're totally sucked into it so um and i'm just always amazed by that right you can just draw this illusion for somebody draw the parallel lines the same length they see that draw the 00:25:08 arrowheads and all of a sudden the lines change in apparent length and i use this because it um it illustrates an important thing about an illusion and this is something that we find again from india as a definition of 00:25:21 an illusion an illusion is something that exists in one way but appears to us in a different way or for being very technical we would say something whose mode of existence and mode of appearance 00:25:33 are discordant but that is just atrociously technical and sensibilitic um so these two lines exist as equally long but they appear to be of 00:25:45 unequal lengths and that would that's what makes them an illusion a mirage exists as a refraction pattern of light but appears to be water so whenever we get that difference between a mode of appearance and a mode of existence we 00:25:59 have an example of illusion and i say that because i want to argue that the self is an illusion that we exist in one way that is as persons but we appear to exist as selves and so we have to come to understand 00:26:11 that illusion in order to begin dispelling it
!- comparision : Muller-Lyer Illusion and Illusion of Self - Muller-Lyer illusion: lines are same length but due to arrow heads, they appear of different length - an illusion is when something's mode of existence is discordant with its mode of appearance - self is also an illusion compared to person
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- Oct 2022
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docdrop.org docdrop.org
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there's a second kind of cognitive illusion this first cognitive illusion as i've suggested is thematized both in buddhist philosophy and in western philosophy but the second 00:07:06 kind of illusion i find not thematized so much in the west though in some quarters it is some but not all but very much stabilized in in buddhist philosophy and that is the superimposition of subject object 00:07:19 duality um and when we do that um we take the nature of our experience to be primordially structured as subject standing outside of the world viewing an 00:07:31 object now we always know we know that on the slightest bit of reflection that that's crazy that we are biological organisms embedded in a physical world and that 00:07:43 all of our experience is the result of that embodied embedded and embedded experience in the world it's still however almost irresistible to have that kind of image of ourselves as wittgenstein put it as like the eye 00:07:56 to the visual field that we stand outside of the world as pure subject with everything else taken as object and that reflexive taking of experience that way is a very profound kind of cognitive 00:08:09 illusion one that is extremely hard to shake to overcome illusion though we first have to come to know that illusion better you need to know your enemy in 00:08:21 order to defeat your enemy and so i'm going to spend a lot of time trying to acquaint us with the nature of these illusions that is to say if we want to avoid a pointless trek through the desert uh for 00:08:34 water we'd better know that what we're seeing is a mirage and not an oasis when we become aware of that fact then we're able to redirect ourselves in the right uh in the right direction
Jay talks about the depth of the second cognitive illusion, thematized in Buddhism but not so much in Western philosophy - the illusion of a self with respect to other.
4E (Embedded, Embodied, Enactive, Extended) Cognition is based on an intuitive idea that we know from very simple experience - you and I are part of the world. We have bodies that are embedded in reality.
We have a reflexive and profoundly entrenched embrace of dualism - that we are NOT of this world, but stand apart from it. This cognitive illusion is EXTREMELY hard to penetrate.
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- Jul 2022
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www.thegreatsimplification.com www.thegreatsimplification.com
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16:15 - Adam Smith - The Wealth of Nations
Adam Smith thought that there were two sides to us, one side is our concern for SELF, that gets what it needs to survive but the other side is our empathic side for OTHERS, we cares for the welfare of others. His economic design theory distilled into THE WEALTH OF NATIONS was based on the assumption that these two would act in a balanced way.
There are also two other important and related variables at play that combine with Whybrow's findings:
- Death Denialism (Ernest Becker) A growing meaning crisis in the world due to the waning influence of Christianity and significant misinterpretation of most religions as an immortality project emerging from the psychological denial of death
John Vervaeke's Meaning Crisis: https://www.meaningcrisis.co/all-transcripts/
Glenn Hughes writes about Becker and Denial of Death: https://hyp.is/go?url=https%3A%2F%2Fernestbecker.org%2Flecture-6-denial%2F&group=world
- Illusion of Immediacy of Experience Jay L. Garfield explains how philosophers such as Nagarjuna, Chandrakurti and Dogen have taught us to beware of the illusion of the immediacy of experience that consists of two major ways in which we mistaken conventional, relative reality for intrinsic reality: perceptual faculty illusions and cognitive faculty illusions. https://hyp.is/go?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdocdrop.org%2Fvideo%2FHRuOEfnqV6g%2F&group=world
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- Jan 2016
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christmind.info christmind.infoAbout1
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Now, this graduation is constituted of a commitment to Reality and an abandonment of the illusory sense of self; a commitment to Knowing, which it now will be much easier for you to make since I am making it clear to you that you are not listening to something other than your Self, and therefore there is not a listener of dubious integrity. The presence of the experience of Knowing is truly an experience of Self, and not of someone else who is Valuable. Why, indeed, would you continue to make an investment of trust and commitment in something that is Real and thus apparently borrow some value which never truly becomes yours, and therefore leaves you in your illusory sense of incompetence and limitation?
"The presence of the experience of Knowing is truly an experience of Self, and not of someone else who is Valuable."
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