non-conscious cognition
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non-conscious cognition
for - definition - non-conscious cognition - adjacency - non-conscious cognition - Michael Levin - goal seeking activity - adjacency - Michael Levin - N. Katherine Hayles
For millennia, humans have debated whether memory and imaginationare the same or distinct capacities
for - adjacency - past - future - Michael Levin - memories - goal-seeking - Michael Levin's research validates that memories serve the role of goak-seeking - This is another way of saying that the past plays a critical role in the future
there are numerous spaces that are very difficult for us to uh visualize as humans and because we have trouble visualizing
for - key insight - there are other spaces where beings live that we cannot visualize - Michael Levin
I I think we've gone way beyond now understanding that a lot of these assumptions were were not good.
for - invalid assumptions - Michael Levin - finding counterexamples that invalidate long standing general principle
you're following the science and it's basically leading us out of a framework that was given to us a fundamental ontological epistemological framework given to us by the enlightenment
for - paradigm shift - outdated framework - Michael Levin
I'm not looking for um you know to match any philosophical notion of causation. What I want as an engineer is where should I be looking in order to understand and control the system that I want to understand and control.
for - comparison - causation - engineer vs philosopher - Michael Levin
if the standard version of causation doesn't capture what's going on here, too bad
for - causation - Michael Levin
patterns being goal states and uh and not just uh you know, here are the patterns that happen to show up. this is this is an actual goal state that a system that an intelligent system is pursuing
for - quote - patterns are goal states intelligent systems are pursuing - Michael Levin
you make an interface and then you better have some idea of what's going to show up
for - progress traps - perspective - Michael Levin
I think that some of the more complex high agency patterns from the space are behavioral propensities aka kinds of minds. I think that's what minds actually are is that they're they're actually the the the inhabitants of that of that space.
for - quote - minds occupying platonic space - Michael Levin - I think that some of the more complex high agency patterns from the space are behavioral propensities - aka kinds of minds. - I think that's what minds actually are - they're actually the inhabitants of that of that space. - adjacency - claim - minds in Platonic space - spirituality - Michael Levin
when were the computations done to make zenobots and anthrobots, there's never been any selection pressure to be a good anthropot or a good zenobot.
for - adjacency - questioning evolution - xenobots - anthrobots - Michael Levin - Is Levin's lab experiements bringing evolution's primacy into question? Is there an even MORE fundamental foundation for life? - Is the platonic form more fundamental than evolution?
we've made things like zenobots
for - new life forms - xenobots - anthrobots - novel electric faces - Michael Levin - progress trap - xenobots - anthrobots
for - youtube - interview - MIchael Levin - John Vervaeke
I've been thinking about this stuff for decades, and I had not broached the topic of platonic patterns until until this year. And that's because I think it is now actionable.
for - quote - platonic patterns are now actionable - Michael Levin - I've been thinking about this stuff for decades, and I had not broached the topic of platonic patterns until this year. - And that's because I think it is now actionable. - question - progress trap - moral questions and alarm bells? playing God? - Michael Levin
my strong suspicion is that uh it's universal. So if you wanted to have wings and you had the hardware
for - opinion - mutant life - possible - Michael Levin
regenerative medicine
for - regenerative medicine - regrow body parts - Michael Levin
ormalize the tumor the cells will go on to do normal build healthy organs
for - Michael Levin - experiment - normalized cancer cells
that's a key part of this. You have to convince the material. This is not you. It it it you know there's ways that it will ignore you. If you do it wrong, it'll ignore you. So you have to be convincing
for - interlevel communication - Michael Levin - What he's really saying is that we have to find the RIGHT LANGUAGE to speak to the agents at that different level - This is an important lesson for interlevel communication in social systems! - comparison - interlevel comm - cells vs societies
We don't micromanage the cells. We figured out a a message that says, "Build an eye here." And the reason that works is because we're dealing with an aential material.
for - adjacency - not micromanaging the cell - high level instruction - Michael Levin
the question is, why didn't that biochemical story get you to this discovery?
for - quote - Michael Levin - what is a good story? - the question is: Why didn't that biochemical story get you to this (new) discovery? - adjacency - good models - predictive power - good story - a good model is a good language - new words frame the world in new ways, - it allows us to divide reality in different ways - and can lead us to look in places we otherwise might now - and that can lead to new observations
for - source - telegram channel - Michael Lennon - Forms of Life, forms of mind - Michael Levin and Hananel Hazan-led weekly symposium exploring platonic space - from - youtube - interview - Michael Levin - John Vervaeke - https://hyp.is/H727RKOrEfC5IAN-dmo5uw/www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwOJ9PWcPmo
for - Michael Levin - Multi Scale Competency Architecture - Hierarchical systems
Summary - Biomimicry - mimicking natural systems for new AI models - human body is a hierarchical system - society is extension of human body and also hierarchical system
for - like - Michael Levins - Richard Sutton - youtube interview
Summary - interesting talk on learning - reminds me of Michael Levin's work - the priority is on goal directed activity
for - youtube talk - Michael Levin - youtube - Against mind-blindness - Recognizing and Communicating with Unconventional Intelligences
summary - mind blindness is the unawareness of other types of minds that surround us - This definition alludes to an expanded definition of "mind" that is based on Levin's research which is influenced by the work of William James - The expanded definition of mind is based on living systems with the ability to perform problem-solving with respect to its environment - Levin's experiments that suggest that problem-solving is an important definition of minds involves artificially manipulating morphological features of simpler life forms at very early stages of their development. - He demonstrates that tadpoles, with morphologically displaced features such as eyes, follow a problem-solving arc with this novel situation and have some kind of collective blueprint that they follow that allows the eyes to migrate to the right place in a fully developed frog - Hence, living organisms are equipped with problem-solving templates that guide them towards some collective target - Even if the original morphological state is novel, the mind can solve to migrate to the final target - Levin's other experiments show how implanting novel instructions in the target template will cause the living system to migrate towards a new final target, as demonstrated in his 2-headed worm, which reproduces with 2 heads for all future generations after the novel implant - These findings have profound implications on our understanding what life itself is - They also force us to expand the diversity of the definition of "mind", with many moral implications
for - future annotation - youtube - Michael Levin - David Eagleman
for - Michael Levin - homepage
what you have access to are the information traces the engrams whether in DNA or or in your brain the engrams that the past has left as messages to your present self from your past self and those messages have to be interpreted.
for - quote / key insight - messages from past self to present self - Michael Levin - salience - high - engrams from past self to present self
who would have known this that your tracheal epithelial cells if expplanted if if liberated from the rest of the body they will make a self motile little uh construct that among other things knows how to heal neural wounds.
for - quote - no evolutionary history explains form and behavior - Michael Levin
observation - evolution alone is insufficient to explain life - These novel, artificial life forms behave in novel emergent ways, there is no natural selection at play here
Kinematic self-replication
for - definition - kinematic replication in Xenobots - Michael Levin
learning is is a is a free gift from uh the mathematics of networks
for - myth - learning is a property of nervous systems - Michael Levin - salience - high - learning is a property of molecular networks - adjacency - learning - myth - molecular networks - it is a primitive property of molecular networks<br /> - patterns of learning such as habituation, pavlovian response, etc are observable in molecular network - This is a pretty profound claim - learning isn't even a property of the biotic world!
acorns reliably make oak trees kind of like an like an instinctual behavior like every single time stereotypical you know the same thing. But in fact it's not hardwired
for - example - evolutionary hacking of bioelectric memory - oak tree - Michael Levin
this is this massive latent morph space that you can explore with exactly the same hardware.
for - definition - latent morphospace - Michael Levin
it has a different representation of what to do if it gets injured in the future. It's a latent memory. It doesn't do anything until it gets injured. It just sits there and you would have no idea that it's there by looking at the at the anatomy. But if it's get if it gets injured, this is what its idea of a correct worm.
for - adjacency - stored latent memory of future morphology - can be altered - Michael Levin - potential progress trap
we used a very high level um uh commu communication that this build an I here and like any good intelligence it has a multiscale hierarchical control where it took care of all of the downstream molecular um details.
for - example - importance of multiscale hierarchical intelligence and control - Michael Levin - high level instruction is issued and the multiscale structure ensures that all the lower level details are executed - like a software function call
new plexmark - person assigned to each comment in multiplayer conversational environment - have a way to - detect then - discriminate and finally - tag - each sequentially different conversant' s comments in the conversation - This will help with Indyweb provenance by attributing the person with each sentence
So here I'm going to show you here. Look, it's it's it's blue here. It's crawling along mining its business. Then eventually the satches bang, it turns green. Okay, the voltage changes immediately and then it joins it joins a collective.
for - adjacency - group think - cellular level - cultural level - Michael Levin
we steal everything from neuroscience. All the tools both the bench tools and the conceptual stuff we we take directly from uh from what the neuroscientists do and every and everything works works very well.
for - adjacency - neuroscience - development biology - neuroscience tools apply to both - Michael Levin
example of communication looks like
for - example - cellular level communication - Michael Levin
here is an a time-lapse video of an early frog embryo putting its face together
for - example - bioelectricity - instructing frog embryo to construct face - Michael Levin
groups actually solve problems better than individuals so if you challenge them with um uh terratogens and things like that uh collectives large collectives of embryos uh resist them better than than individuals
for - example - collective problem solving - more effective than individual problem solving - embryology - Michael Levin
bioelect electricity acts as a cognitive glue. What it cognitive glue is is are are mechanisms and policies that allow individual competent subunits like cells to know things and to achieve goals that none of the individuals know.
for - adjacency - bioelectricity - cognitive glue - micro-scale communication - Michael Levin
we try to understand the large scale um utility of of the of these patterns.
for - quote - we try to understand the large scale utility of these patterns - Michael Levin - implicit and embodied demonstration - of higher scale intelligence - communicating with - lower scale of intelligence
quote - we try to understand the large scale utility of these patterns - Michael Levin - This is an implicit demonstration or embodied demonstration of interscale communication - The higher level agent (Michael Levin's consciousness) - is attempting to understand the functioning of his own lower scale intelligence
the most amazing thing about it, this whole process, is that they know when to stop. It's a it's an example of anatomical homeostasis
for - example - anatomical homeostasis - amphibian - Michael Levin - amphibian knows when to stop regeneration of artificially amputate part - organism - axelottle - regeneration
like these toys this Mr. Potato Head where you can sort of flip around all the all the position of all the organs.
for - metaphor - Mr Potatohead toy - Picasso tadpole - Michael Levin
all embryionic development is basically regeneration. We all start life as a single cell. We all rebuild an entire body from that
for - adjacency - embryo - collective intelligence - Michael Levin - the blueprint for the entire body is stored as a biological higher level collective intelligence
all intelligence is collective intelligence in the sense that every agent is made of parts, all of us. And what you want is for the agent to have a causal power uh that is not the same as uh simply tracking the microates, the particles
for - quote - consciousness vs cellular level intelligence - Michael Levin - key insight - high level governance (consciousness) vs low level intelligence adjacency hierarchical control - high level consciousness - low level micro intelligence quote - consciousness vs cellular level intelligence - Michael Levin - all intelligence is collective intelligence in the sense that - every agent is made of parts, all of us. - And what you want is for the (high level) agent to have a causal power that is not the same as simply tracking the microstates, the particles.
key insight - high level governance (consciousness) vs low level intelligence - This is a very important observation - It says that a multi-cellular being such as a human being can have consciousness that has agency for the entire organism and governs at that high level, and it must have this beyond just the cognition and intelligence at the lower cellular and subcellular level
We don't have real aliens to sort of practice our um uh our theories on, but this is as close as we're going to get for a while because
for - aliens - morphogenesis - radically different intellgience - Michael Levin
we have a system that um that we developed that you can go to this website and basically it will just very simply translate papers in neuroscience into developmental biology papers. It's very easy. You just swap a few words and and and everything carries over. There are deep deep symmetries between cognition and morphagenesis which um I think Alan Turing for example recognized
for - adjacency - cognition and morphogensis - Michael Levin - tools - website - translates neuroscience papers into morphogenesis papers - Michael Levin - adjacency - Alan Turing - intelligence - embryogenesis
our attempts to develop tools to communicate with this intelligence.
for - inter-scale communication - morphogenesis - Michael Levin
information is not only stored outside of the brain but it actually is imprinted onto the new brain tissue as it develops
for -example - information stored outside brain - Michael Levin - plenaria decapitation experiment
philosophical perspectives can drive empirical advances that the philosophy actually really matters because the perspective you have makes certain things possible that were never done before.
for - adjacency - saliency of philosophy - to science - Michael Levin
observation - working scientists often ignore philosophy because the philosophical assumptions that guide their research are implicit
I will go through actual very uh very detailed examples of how it is that we can recognize and communicate with unconventional intelligences that operate in a different medium in a different uh scale of space and time and actually in a different problem space entirely than our own
for - communication - between - intelligences at different levels - Michael Levin - new plexmark - salience
salience - high
what I try to do is is kind of like what happened to the notion of numbers where we started out with very obvious very natural kinds of things and then progressively expanded them to to weirder and weirder uh other um other other concepts along you know along that same along that same continuum.
for - adjacency - cognitive spectrum - number system evolution - Michael Levin
I envision a time when we are present to both our unitedness and ouruniqueness, similar to the way in which our own body’s many different typesof cells function togeth
for - multi-scale competency architecture - Michael Levin
what we want in our bodies is a mind melt of cells that cells forget about their own little ego and start identifying with a larger Collective of the organ and the way cells do that is through bioelectricity it is what Michael Levan calls a cognitive glue
for - multi-scale competency architecture - groups of individuals coalesce into an individual at a higher level - SOURCE - Youtube - Bioelectric fields: A Paradigm Shift in Biology - Michael Levin - 2025, Jan
mix the artificial cells with the living cells the living cells die
for - progress trap - experiment - artificial cell coexisting with living cells - Martin Hanczyc - Michael Levin podcast
I would say the epigenetic inheritance that has to occur there and how it occurs must be contributing a very large fraction indeed to the differentiation process
for - answer - Denis Noble - to Michael Levin - question - What percentage of genetic vs non-genetic information passed down to germ line from embryogenesis onwards ? - a very large fraction is epigenetic inheritance indeed.
what percentage of the information that is used by an organism let's say embryogenesis onwards is genetic versus all other sources put together what what what would you guess as a as a breakdown
for - question - Michael Levin to - Denis Noble - percentage of genetic vs non-genetic information passed down to germ line from embryogenesis onwards
I don't reject the reductionist approach you need the upward causation from the individual molecular components as well as the constraints from the global property of the cells tissues organs and so on
for - Systems perspective - integrate reductionism with global properties - Denis Noble - multi scale competency architecture - Denis Noble - adjacency - multi-scale competency architecture - Michael Levin - Denis Noble advocates for
adjacency - between - multi-scale competency architecture - Michael Levin - Denis Noble advocates for - adjacency relationship - Michael's multi-scale competency architecture is another way to sum up what Denis is saying
for - interview - Michael Levin - Dennis Noble
for - from - Denis Noble - Michael Levin interview
from - Denis Noble - Michael Levin interview - https://hyp.is/W2sK1qilEe-9MKdyybb_oA/www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJjIlu9tem8
for - umwelt - sensory substitution - visual to auditory - V2A - David Eagleman - from - webcast - Michael Levin - Can we create new senses for humans? - interview - David Eagleman - https://hyp.is/BHS6up09Ee-1qefERFpeQg/www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCvFgrpfNGM - to - Google Play - Android app -
for - search - Google - android app "The Voice" translates images into audio signal - from - webcast - Michael Levin - Can we create new senses for humans? - interview - David Eagleman - https://hyp.is/BHS6up09Ee-1qefERFpeQg/www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCvFgrpfNGM - to - Medium - article Translating vision into sound. A deep learning perspective - Viktor Toth - April 2019 - https://hyp.is/lQL4Yp1MEe-66-dpgenOBA/medium.com/mindsoft/translating-vision-into-sound-443b7e01eced
Simply let the stress be leaky so if the cell out here that's that's stressed out all it has to do is release some of that some of those stress molecules in this case like literally molecules that are that serve as signals of how systemic level stress and the cells around it now they're stressed out and they're it's it's not that they're altruistic it's just that um their plasticity goes up where they start to move around and to be a little more willing to do new things then the cell gets to where it's going then everybody's stress drops
for - crisis management - cellular biology example - Michael Levin
I have some some some colleagues who um kind of think about the Buddhist tradition a lot and we we think about this idea of like what what what does it mean to commit to enlarging your cognitive lyone in particular um with respect to this notion of compassion
for - adjacency - cognitive light cone - affective light cone? - bodhisattva - bodhicitta - compassion - Michael Levin
adjacency - between - cognitive light cone - bodhicitta - bodhisattva - compassion - adjacency relationship - Michael Levin's colleagues have spoken about the Buddhist concept of bodhicitta and compassion, and he interprets this from the perspective of expansion of the cognitive light cone provocation - We know that there is a close connection between cognitive and affective so perhaps the terminology should reflect that? - Living organisms will always have problems expanding their light cones too far because nature is designed to eat itself - Hence in order to survive, we must commit the most uncompassion act (from the perspective of the organism we are eating)
a set of policies and mechanisms that allow competent subunits to form together into some kind of a an emergent Collective that's more than the sum of its parts
for - definition - cognitive glue - Michael Levin
definition - cognitive glue - Michael Levin - a set of policies and mechanisms that allow competent subunits to form together into some kind of an emergent Collective that's more than the sum of its parts
Adjacency - between - cognitive glue - multi scale competency architecture - human species - Jordan Hall - cognitive glue destresses goal seeking activities - adjacency relationship - Cognitive glue is a general concept that applies to the entire spectrum of the biosphere - Michael goes on to give examples with rats and other biological contexts like cells - This is an important question for humans at two levels: - first, at the level of the individual human - second, at the level of human groups - Jordan Hall brings the conversation to the cognitive glue at the human social level in which - anyone who has worked in a group context knows that when there is a flow, there is signaling taking place - that is at a higher group level not present at the level of the individual that destresses goal seeking activity
Humanity in general is to develop tools to identify detect and communicate with all kinds of intelligences and very unconventional embodiments that we are not good at
for - proposal - future conversations - Earth Species Project & Michael Levin could be a good future conversation!
Ben lions in particular uh is uh someone who's who's been pointing out this so so he and I are actually um writing a paper on um the price system as a kind of cognitive glue
for - Michael Levin & economist Ben Lyon collaboration on price in marketplace as cognitive glue
to - Michael Levin & economist Ben Lyon conversation on Price in the marketplace as a cognitive glue for human social superorganism - https://hyp.is/X-yNJnczEe-Nd6N02kiSVQ/www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Oo4ng6dWrQ
what would happen if I begin to self-referentially and try to embody a part of a collective intelligence including the three of us in such a fashion that we were actually leveraging that qualitatively distinct um mind to inform the conversation we're having to get us there
for - Jordan Hall - gedanken - collective intelligence of a group - Michael Levin & Jordan Hall conversation
what would it look like to put together an engineering program or an experimental program um orienting towards the question of what would be the form of embodiment in collective intelligence that includes human beings as at least one primary element at ontological level one that would give rise to a collective intelligence at ontological level two
for - Jordan Hall question - engineering an intentional social superorganism - collective intelligence - Michael Levin & Jordan Hall conversation
caterpillar the butterfly transition
for - bowtie example - caterpillar-to-butterfly - Michael Levin
most creatures uh have this creative problem solving where the step one is to figure out what affordances do I have and and how do I put myself together into a some kind of a coherent organism and and survive and do other interesting things and this is why we can have xenobots and anthr robots and uh things that have never existed on Earth before but have novel coherent behaviors and morphologies
incredible plasticity of life - Michael Levin
one of the things we study is the incredible plasticity of Life the fact that we can take living things and you know I can put a we can we can put a an eye on the tail of a taple instead of in their in their head and those animals can see perfectly well
for - incredible plasticity of life - Michael Levin
I don't think you can prove it but I wonder if what what it would feel like I think is is um synchronicity
for - topic for further research - higher level of living system - indicator of - Micheal Levin - synchronicity
Adjacency - between - Jordan Hall / Michael Levin conversation - hyperobject - cognitive light cone - lower level indicator of higher level - enlightenment / awakening Frederico Faggin experience - meditation - adjacency statement - Federico Faggin's experience of inter level awareness was - his profound awakening experience transcending even oneness - That was an indicator event that shattered his belief that he was alone, shuttered in existential isolation - and showed him that he was a part of a much larger system - In general, at the level of humans and human consciousness, - awakening and enlightenment experiences described throughout human history in many different - times and - places - could be interpreted as reaching upwards to a higher level in our lower level cognitive light cone
do you think that this idea of the hyper object might relate to um how an individual cell relates to the whole of the body because the body itself would be outside the cognitive light cone of the cell
for - question - to Michael Levin - adjacency between hyperobject and cognitive light cone
for - conversation - Michael Levin - Jordan Hall
from - Michael Levin & Jordan Hall conversation - https://hyp.is/5_liZHc1Ee-zpYv8m1u2VQ/www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQHaGhOrnug
for - Michael Levin & economist Ben Lyon - Price in the marketplace as a cognitive glue for social superorganism
cognitive glue
for - definition - cognitive glue
definition - cognitive glue - Michael Levin - policies among components that solve the scaling problem of having an emergent cognitive system out of smaller parts - Michael Levin
So there has to be a reality, deeper reality, out of which these spacetime reality that we call reality emerges. So so therefore the model to think of the model in your following way, consciousness is a quantum field.
for - quote - consciousness - model of - as a quantum field - Federico Faggin - question - about Federico Faggin's quantum field theory of consciousness - Is it neo-dualistic?
quote - consciousness - model of - as a quantum field - Federico Faggin - (see below) - Think of the body as a structure in space and time - It is both - classical - cells are made of particles, atoms and molecules that interact quantumly in space and time - AND fields - The body is a bridge between consciousness and the classical (objective spacetime) world - The body reports to the conscious field - and creates quantum states inside the cell
potential future dialogue - Michael Levin and Federico Faggin - To unpack quantum states at cellular or subcellular level, it would be good to see a dialogue between Michael Levin and Federico Faggin
I'm building towards an argument here because I think that Maps into something that goes with your butterfly that human beings do and this is La Paul and transformative experience human beings go through these profound changes and right and so she gives she does the gunan experiment of people offering to turn you into a vampire which is very much like your butterfly example
for - participatory knowing - perspectival knowing - caterpillar butterfly transformation - Gunan experiment - vampire transformation - John Vervaeke - Michael Levin
insight - adjacency - caterpillar butterfly transformation - human transformation - John provides a nice adjacency / insight here, comparing human transformation as similar in kind and different by degree to Levin's caterpillar butterfly transformation - In Indyweb terminology, we are constantly creating new selves and leaving trails of our old selves behind, all to be recorded in our mindplex - This is none other than the teachings of many ancient spiritual traditions which hold that the human being is a constantly changing process, not a static thing
I want to start with that idea of kind of a bidirectional Conformity that it's not only the mind is conforming to the world but the world is conforming to the mind of course you might get tired of me doing this this is a neoplatonic claim right and this is the idea this is this is this is sort of the central idea behind what I call participatory knowing
for - participatory knowing - mutual conformity - mind and the world partcipate - John Vervaeke - responding to Michael Levin
what we do is we use language we squeeze it down to a to a simple low bandwidth message you will have to re-expand and and reinterpret that message
for - squeezing down and re-expanding - Michael Levin
what you are constantly doing is reconstructing yourself and your memories to make them applicable in the new you know in the new scenario
for - caterpillar butterfly story - Michael Levin - adjacency caterpillar story - Michael Levin - Indyweb dev - conversations with old self - evolutionary learning
adjacency - between - caterpillar butterfly story - Michael Levin - Indyweb dev - conversations with old self - evolutionary learning - adjacency relationship - In relating the caterpillar / butterfly story, Levin is using an extreme example of transformation, that happens to all living beings, including human beings - Levin talks about how the particulars of the old caterpillar engram are meaningless to its new form, the butterfly - The experiments he cites demonstrate that the old engram is re-interpreted from the new butterfly perspective - In a similar but less dramatic way, all of us learn new things every day, and we are constantly rehashing old memories - The Indyweb informational ecosystem that is being developed is based on a framework of evolutionary learning, that is - Our network of meaning is constantly in flux and our associative network of ideas is continuously changing and evolving - The Indyweb is designed to record our evolutionary learning journey and to serve as an external record of salient private ideas that emerge from it. The present interpretation of old engrams is referred to as "having conversations with our old selves"
the caterpillar learned all this stuff it gets squeezed down into some sort of sort of molecular substrate and then re-expanded or remapped onto the onto the butterfly that that squeezing is so so so two just two quick things about that one is that this this squeezing and expanding thing is everywhere
for - adjacency - squeezing and expanding is everywhere - Michael Levin - John Vervaeke - Indyweb - salience mismatch - symmathesetic fingerprint - multi-meaningverse - lebenswelt
adjacency - between - sqeezing and expanding - Michael Levin - John Vervaeke - Indyweb - lebenswelt - multi-meaningverse - coding / decoding - salience mismatch - symmathesetic fingerprint - adjacency relationship - In the Indyweb epistemology, we have identified an intrinsic limitation of symbolic communication due to - encoding of the transmitter from the transmitter's unique - lebenswelt and - meaningverse and - decoding of the transmitter's message from the receiver's unique - lebenswelt and - meaningverse - The same symbols are referenced to two different lebenswelt / meaningverse's - The semantic (symmathesetic) fingerprints of the transmitter and receivers vocabulary are all different - This can result in misinterpretation, what we term as salience mismatch
butterfly caterpillar
for - caterpillar butterfly story - Michael Levin
amazon prime castle rock which is based on the work of stephen king
for - comparison - Amazon Prime - Castle Rock - Stephen King - compared to - Michael Levin caterpillar to butterfly metamorphosis - adjacency - universal - vs localized consciousness - empathy - Michael Levin - caterpillar to butterfly
adjacency - between - Stephen King movie "castle rock" - universal consciousness - localized, individual consckousness - empathy - adjacency relationship - Bernardo compares the Stephen King movie series "Castle Rock" with ghostly beings taking over the identify of an existing physical body. - Universal consciousness is in all of us - but we strongly identify with the localized consciousness - In Michael Levin's caterpillar to butterfly process, - the living being has memories of a caterpillar but what happens when it becomes a butterfly? Those memories don't confer any meaning to the butterfly - But beneath both the butterfly and the caterpillar, the universal consciousness is at the ground layer - When we experience others as ourselves, because we have the same universal consciouness, - then we can truly enact empathy as an expression of recognition
an engram is just a it's a it's a physical embodiment of a memory
for - definition - engram - Michael Levin
what's preserved across lifetimes from from that caterpillar to that butterfly is not the f it of the information it's the it's a kind of um inferred salience
for - caterpillar to butterfly - What's transferred? - salience, not fidelity - Michael Levin
Josh bongard and I have been developing this notion of polyc computing which is this idea that basically every subcomponent is hacking every other subcomponent
for - definition - poly computing
how do you know if, if, and when you are part of a larger cognitive system, right?
for - question - how do you know when you are part of a larger cognitive system? - answer - adjacency - synchronicity - lower level example - two neurons talking to each other - Michael Levin - Mark Solms foundation theory of affect
question - how do you know when you are part of a larger cognitive system? - answer - adjacency - synchronicity - lower level example - two neurons talking to each other - Michael Levin - Mark Solms foundation theory of affect
adjacency - between - answer - synchronicity - lower level example - two neurons talking to each other - Michael Levin - Mark Solms foundational theory of affect - adjacency relationship - This is a very interesting question and Michael Levin provides a very interesting answer - First, it is very interesting that Mark Solms points out that affect is foundational to cognition - This is evident once we begin to think of the fundamental goals of any individual of any species is to optimize survival - The positive or negative affects that we feel are a feedback signal that measures how successful we are in our efforts to survive - Hence, it is more accurate to ask: - How do you know if and when you are part of a larger affective-cognitive system? - Levin illustrates the multi-level nature of simultaneous consciousness by looking at two neurons "in dialogue" with each other, and potentially speculating about a "higher level of consciousness", which is in fact, the level you and I operate at and take for granted - This speculative question is very important for it also can be generalized to the next layer up, - Do collectives of humans, each one experiencing itself a unified, cohesive inner perspective, constitute a higher level "collective consciousness"? - If we humans experience feelings and thinking whilst we have a well defined physical body, then - what does a society feel and think whilst not having such a well defined physical body?
I have no idea. But what I do know is that it's not a, um, this is not a philosophical, uh, thing that we can decide arguing in an armchair. Yes, it is. No, it isn't. No, you have to do experiments and then you find out.
for - question - does the world have agency? <br /> - answer - don't know - but it's not philosophical - it's scientific - do experiments to determine answer - Michael Levin
Does the world have agency?
for - question - does the World have agency? - Michael Levin
I see it as much more fluid and I see the boundary between self and world as something that can change all the time.
for - self / other dualism - fluidity of - examples - Michael Levin
self / other dualism - fluidity of - examples - Michael Levin - The self and its consciousness changes for a human INTERbeCOMing throughout its life: - during development as an embryo - cancer - metamorphosis
we do feel at least most of us, most of the time feel like some kind of unified, centralized inner perspective
for - self - as unified, centralized inner perspective - Michael Levin - adjacency - self - as unified, centralized inner perspective - multi-scale competency architecture - Buddhism - spiritual practice - self actualization - illusory body - illusory self - enlightenment
adjacency - between - self - as unified, centralized inner perspective - multi-scale competency architecture - self actualization - Buddhist practice - illusory body - illusory self - enlightenment - awakening - adjacency relationship - Indeed, from both the mundane and the spiritual, religious perspective, the unified self as a fundamental assumption - "self-development" and "self-actualization" are terms that are only meaningful if there is a unified self - Is the Buddhist ideas of - awakening - enlightenment and \ - penetrating the illusion of self - based on a kind of experiencing of the multi-scale competency architecture itself? - What does "spiritual awakening" mean in the context of multi-scale competency architecture? - For instance, WHO is it that actually awakens? - Is it consciousness from the SAME level, a lower level or ALL levels of the multi-scale competency architecture that a multi-cellular conscious, sentient being such as a human INTERbeCOMing? - If it includes consciousness from lower levels, then it may be billions or trillions of cellular consciousnesses that are awakening to the higher order consciousness it composes!
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summary - A very insightful and wide-ranging interview with Michael Levin on consciousness
“Cells may not know civilization is possible.
for - quote - multiscale competency architecture - quote - book - Emergent Strategy - Adrienne Maree Brown
adjacency - between - Adrienne Maree Brown quote - Michael Levin - adjacency statement - Adrienne's quote is the subsumed under Levin's term of multi-scale competency architecture (MSCA)
science has transformed our understanding of time.
for - language - primacy of - symbolosphere - adjacency - language - science - multi-scale competency architecture - Michael Levin - complexity - social superorganism - major evolutionary transition - worldviews - scientific vs religious - Michael Levin - multi-scale competency architecture
adjacency - between - deep time - multi-scale competency architecture - Michael Levin - social superorganism - complexity - major evolutionary transition - complexity - adjacency statement - Deep time narrative has potential for unifying polarised worldviews - but citing purely scientific evidence risks excluding and alienating large percentage of people who have a predominantly religious worldview - Language, the symbolosphere is the foundation that has made discourse in both religion and science possible - Due to its fundamental role, starting with language could be even more unifying than beginning with science, - as there are large cultural groups that - do not prioritize the scientific worldview and narrative, but - prefer a religious one.<br /> - Having said that, multi-scale competency architecture, - a concept introduced by Michael Levin - encapsulates the deep time approach in each human being, - which withing Deep Humanity praxis we call "human INTERbeCOMing" to represent our fundamental nature as a process, not a static entity - Each human INTERbeCOMing encapsulates deep time, and is - an embodiment of multiple stages of major evolutionary transitions in deep time - both an individual and multiple collectives - what we can in Deep Humanity praxis the individual / collective gestalt
for - adjacency - microscopic biology - macroscopic ecology - multi-scale competency architecture - Michael Levin - Jonas Wickman - micro-to-macro
paper details - title - Eco-evolutionary emergence of macroecological scaling in plankton communities - author - Jonas Wickman - Elena Litchman - date - feb 15, 2024 - publication - Science VOL. 383, NO. 6684
reference - https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adk6901
summary - This is a very interesting finding that links rules in the micro world to behavior in the macro. - It is relevant to Michael Levin's research on multi-scale competency architecture
question - how would this impact the micro relations between - the microscopic world of humans - the normal macroscopic world of humans
Dubbed “litigation terrorism” by Joseph Stiglitz, the Nobel prize-winning economist. ISDS is a corporate tribunal system
for - litigation terrorism - ISDS - corporate tribunal system - Michael Levin - multi-scale competency architecture - example - adjacency - evolutionary biology - corporate law - climate crisis
adjacency - between - corporate law - climate crisis - evolutionary biology - cultural evolution - adjacency statement - Biologist Michael Levin's multi-scale competency architecture of evolutionary biology seems to apply here - in the field of corporate law - Corporations can be viewed as one level of a social superorganism in a cultural evolution process - Governments can be viewed similiarly, but at a higher level - The ISDS is being weaponized by the same corporations destroying the global environment to combat the enactment of government laws that pose a threat to their livelihood - Hence, the ISDS has been reconfigured to protect the destroyers of the environment so that they can avoid dealing with their unacceptable externalizations - The individual existing at the lower level of the multi-scale competency architecture(the corporation) is battling to survive against the wishes of the higher level individual (the government) in the same multi-scale competency architecture
other cultures do not think this and that suggests that our sense of self is largely culturally constructed
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discussion - sense of self is complex. See the work of - Michael Levin and - https://jonudell.info/h/facet/?max=100&expanded=true&user=stopresetgo&exactTagSearch=true&any=michael+levin - Major Evolutionary Transition in Individuality - https://jonudell.info/h/facet/?max=100&expanded=true&user=stopresetgo&exactTagSearch=true&any=major+evolutionary+transition+in+individuality
for - CAR T cells - research - anti aging - adjacency - CAR T cells - Michael Levin - Cold Spring Harbor Lab - Corina Amor Vegas - senescent cells - fountain of youth
it doesn't matter how good it is they just refuse to look at it you know i had argument daniel dennett two three years ago we were at a conference and and i said you know what about a public debate
for - adjacency - Rupert Sheldrake - Daniel Dennett - Michael Levin
adjacency - between - Rupert Sheldrake - Daniel Dennett - Michael Levin - adjacency statement - 6 degrees of separation between - Rupert Sheldrake - Daniel Dennett - Michael Levin - Rupert met Daniel and challenged him to a debate, which Daniel flatly refused. - Daniel has coauthored paper with Michael Levin - Michael's ideas adopted from William James's definition of intelligence parallels Sheldrake's ideas of future to past trajectory of mental causation
sometimes people ask me uh is it possible that we're living in a simulation that all this is you know that reality isn't what we and and if you think about it it's not just 00:52:31 possible it's guaranteed
for - adjacency - sensory bubble - umwelt - living in a simulation - Daisetz Suzuki - elbow doesn't bend backwards - quote - Michael Levin - illusion
adjacency - between - sensory bubble - umwelt - living in a simulation - Daisetz Suzuki - the elbow does not bend backwards - adjacency statement - In the Tibetan Buddhist epistemology, the illusory body training is to experience both one's body and reality as an illusion in the sense that nothing is static and fixed - From this perspective, we are all temporary states of convergence of the recirculating elements of emptiness - Daisetz Suzuki, the enlightened Japanese Zen monk who is credited to be one of the ones who brought Zen to the West said that when he experienced Kensho, he could suddenly understand the puzzling koan "The elbow does not bend backwards" with great clarity. - Form is a concentration and temporary consolidation of emptiness, the limitations inherent in any form does not denigrate is absolute origins from unlimited emptiness - The Heart Sutra expresses the equivalence of form and emptiness, finite and infinite. - In Deep Humanity, we have a saying: - To be or not to be - that is the question - To be AND not to be - that is the answer
in the case of Mark you know psychoanalysis and and stuff like that which I think is very important
for - adjacency between - Michael Levin - Mark Solms - adjacency statement - The work of Michael and Mark compliment each other
for - Michael Levin - Developmental biology - evolutionary biology
the contents of your mind, your self model, your model of the outside world, where the boundary between you and the outside world is- so where do you end and the outside world begins- all of these things are constantly being constructed 00:00:36 and created.
for - quote - Michael Levin - quote - Human INTERBeCOMing
validation for - Human INTERBeCOMing - Levin validates Deep Humanity redefinition of human being to human INTERbeCOMing, as a verb, and ongoing evolutionary process rather than a fixed, static object
for: evolutionary biology, big history, DH, Deep Humanity, theories of consciousness, ESP project, Earth Species Project, Michael Levin, animal communication, symbiocene
title: The Deep History of Ourselves: The Four-Billion-Year Story of How We Got Conscious Brains
doi: 0.1080/09515089.2022.2160311
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you can train them it has memory you can train it you can take a a trained one and a naive one and fuse them they 00:39:24 they'll fuse together and then the memory sort of propagates and the naive one will now remember you know have the memory that that the other one had um no nerves no no brain um single cell
for: Michael Levin - slime mold experiment, question - new theory of consciousness from a single cell
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this is a cancer uh approach that we work on which is to not to kill those cells but to force them to re reconnect to their neighbors and when they reconnect to the 00:31:24 neighbors they once again become part of the collective that's working on making nice skin nice muscle they stop being metastatic and they they go back
for: quote - Michael Levin, quote - MET of individuality, quote - memory wipe, quote - cancer therapy - MET of individuality
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for: social superorganism, MET, major evolutionary transition, MET of individuality, Michael Levin, Roy Baumeister, Adam Omary
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i find it very hard to imagine if we if somebody claimed to have a a good theory of consciousness and i 00:29:43 were to ask them okay well what is the prediction of your theory in this particular case i don't know what the format of the answer looks like because numbers and the typical things we get don't do the trick they you know they're sort of third person descriptions
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we were once just physics all 00:02:27 of us were not just in an evolutionary sense but really in a developmental sense and you can watch it happen in front of your eyes so from that perspective i think developmental biology is is uh you know it's why i switched from doing computation in in sort of silicon medium to computation 00:02:40 and living media but i am fundamentally interested not just in questions of cells and why they do things but in morphogenesis or or pattern formation as an example of the appearance of mind from matter that's really right to me developmental biology is the most 00:02:53 magical process there is because it literally in front of your eyes takes you from from matter to mind you can see it happen
for: question, question - hard problem of consciousness, question - Micheal Levin - Michel Bitbol
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the Bodhisattva vow can be seen as a method for control that is in alignment with, and informed by, the understanding that singular and enduring control agents do not actually exist. To see that, it is useful to consider what it might be like to have the freedom to control what thought one had next.
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example - control agent - imperfection: end
triggered insight: not only are thoughts and actions random, but dreams as well
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it's kind of a miracle that that a collection of individual cells with their own agendas and their own ability to pursue various goals in physiological space and and Gene expressions face and so on that there is a way to arrange 00:02:52 those things that give rise to this gives rise to this emergent new self that operates in a different problem space
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I have no clue like like who you know if anybody reads them or who reads them or or what happens after that I don't know yeah yeah well I 01:21:00 appreciate that and certainly people people you know that people contact me but I I know it's it's very hard to know um you know how these things are are actually spreading or not spreading through the through the community
the bodhisattva vial which is which is huge 01:16:56 um it's this it's this commitment it's it's a medical it's the commitment to enlarge your cognitive apparatus to enable bigger goals to enable you to pursue bigger goals with more compassion
if you're going to have a collective intelligence what is it going to uh care about um we don't we don't have a good science 01:05:49 of that
I've 01:04:30 been interested in these kinds of things for a really long time both from the perspective of uh kind of Eastern thought about philosophy of mind and and things like that and more broadly questions of uh of of uh concern and 01:04:44 compassion and and things like that
you mentioned the idea of like beginner mind and you have a quote from Suzuki about 01:03:40 the in The Beginner's mind there's many possibilities and experts mine there are a few
all intelligence collective intelligence
author: Michael Levin
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source: https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnsys.2022.768201/full
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title: The Computational Boundary of a “Self”: Developmental Bioelectricity Drives Multicellularity and Scale-Free Cognition
if one Zooms in you find out that we are all in fact Collective intelligences
for: Michael Levine, developmental biology, human superorganism, multi-scale competency architecture, eukaryote multi-cellular superorganism - interlevel communication, interoception
definition: multi-scale competency architecture
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