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  1. Sep 2022
    1. Because in a sense our universe already contains all possible rules, so there can only be one of it. (There could still be other universes that do various levels of hypercomputation.)

      This seems to point out that Wolfram's "universe" is close to what Tegmark/Deutsch would call "multiverse".

  2. Aug 2022
    1. Flancian using An Agora, an app he developed himself.

      The main node will be [[tools for thinking]], which means https://anagora.org/tools+for+thinking :)

    1. Our fears associated with answering our questions stifle our desires to seek out answers. As children, we don’t have the same fears we do today. We’re not worried by what society will think. We’re not worried of being wrong - in fact we almost always are in the beginning. We’re not willing to settle. We just want to reach out and touch the flame.

      This made me think of [[zen mind, beginner's mind]].

  3. Jul 2022
    1. They portray him in various perspectives: as a god-child, a prankster, a model lover, a divine hero, and the universal supreme being.


    1. browser extension where node name is url of page and each annotation is a blockquote with comment for that node

      Yes! We discussed this with [[diego de la hera]] recently.

  4. Jun 2022
    1. Love chastity.

      This is better than 59.

    2. Do not wish to be called holy before one is holy; but first to be holy, that you may be truly so called.

      This reminds me of the issue of announcing attainments in Buddhism.

    3. Obey in all things the commands of those whom God has placed in authority over you even though they (which God forbid) should act otherwise, mindful of the Lord's precept, "Do what they say, but not what they do."


    4. Fulfill not the desires of the flesh; hate your own will.

      What's with the hate? That's a bit old testament ;)

      I guess this is there so monks don't have sex and other fun and then have to deal with the consequences (including wanting to start a family), but I think with things like rationality and widely available contraceptives even all inclusive non celibate monasteries could be sustainable.

    5. Daily in your prayers, with tears and sighs, confess your past sins to God, and amend them for the future.

      Tears and sighs seem maybe disproportionate if daily? :)

      What about some emotional regulation some days and equanimity, in particular if we intend to work on our issues anyway?

    6. Speak no useless words or words that move to laughter.

      Pass when it comes to laughter, we missed out on Benedictine standup because of this.

    7. Know for certain that God sees you everywhere.

      This is a bit creepy, but OK I guess :)

      Even if omniscient I guess I think it doesn't follow that God would be equally interested on all events, perhaps he even doesn't see everything (after skimming throughout, or seeing only the consequence of our actions.)

    8. Keep death daily before your eyes.

      This reminds me of young Buddhist monks being made to stare at decomposing bodies.

    9. Desire eternal life with all the passion of the spirit.

      This is also far from Buddhism it seems, although Buddhists do get attached to enlightenment I think?

    10. Be in dread of hell.

      Same, pass on this one.

    11. Fear the Day of Judgment.

      I don't see the point of fear, better to control one's emotions for the greater good? What if there's better things to fear?

      I'm siding with Buddhism on this one. Thinking of Karma beats thinking of the Day of Judgment, it seems to me?

    12. Attribute to God, and not to self, whatever good you see in yourself.

      I like this if you replace God with the Universe (or Multiverse?), maybe that means that for me they are one and the same?

    13. Put your hope in God.

      What if God wants us to try putting our hope on something else?

    14. Do not swear, for fear of perjuring yourself.

      Not even for emphasis? :)

    15. Prefer nothing more than the love of Christ.

      This seems a bit "grabby", you'd expect Christ to want everybody to love each other as much as they'd want to?

    16. Love fasting.

      It's psychoactive.

    17. Chastise the body.

      "...if you like it?" :)

    18. Deny oneself in order to follow Christ.

      This needs upgrading I think -- maybe deny yourself of luxury?

    19. Do not steal.

      What if you had the chance to steal fire from a god of war or a powerful person of bellicose disposition?

    20. Then, love your neighbor as yourself.


    21. First of all, love the Lord God with your whole heart, your whole soul, and your whole strength.

      This is fine given that this is based on medieval Christianity I guess, but is Lord necessary? What of God your Friend instead?

  5. May 2022
    1. The classic syntax had :. For example, [[anagora:wednesday]] would link anagora.org/node/wednesday. Doku Wiki chose a different character: >. Mycorrhiza will follow the suite, and wants Agora to choose it as well. [[anagora>wednesday]].

      This all sounds reasonable, thank you!

    2. This essay is written for Flancian.

      Thank you my friend! I appreciate it.

    3. A very similar idea is twin pages AKA sister pages. See Bill Seitz twin pages. See how Odd Muse did it. But can you have multiple twin sites? I think of a queue of twin sites. One site is the closest, the other one is a little farther, and one is very far away. Each of them is checked for the node one-by-one, until it is found. Of course, this is network-heavy.

      I wonder how [[fedwiki]] does this -- I know you can copy pages and link them locally, but can you link to remote pages? Need to look this up, vera probably knows.

    4. What if you drop the prefix? [[wednesday]] would link a local node, if there is one, or one in a different Agora, if there is one. This approach is liberating, because it doesn't make you think about places, you only care about the names.

      Nice! I think this is the semantic I like: if there is no namespacing/interwiki linking, leave disambiguation (resolution order, rules) to the Agora of your choice.

      One idea I had but didn't implement yet is that users could configure which Agora that is, among other things, by dropping an agora.yaml (or agora.json) in their garden repos.

    1. The fungus provides water and minerals, shape and form, while the algae makes food through photosynthesis.

      Sounds like a sweet deal!

    1. In my paper writing, I put wikilinks around things that I want to follow up on. They stand out visually when you scan back over something afterwards.

      I do the same often!

    1. These people were prepending “via” to the URLs of websites designed to capture sensitive personal details in such a way as to evade the protections built in to web browsers and other services.

      Sorry if I'm being dense but I still don't quite get what the actual attack vector was. I see how someone could have used via.hypothes.is to circumvent IP-based blocklists trivially and maybe also some fingerprinting methods, but beyond getting access to information that is public anyway and accessible via e.g. a vpn, what is the risk?

    2. If you would like us to consider adding a domain that is not currently included, please let us know.

      Have you considered automatically allowlisting domains or even specific URLs based on extension-based hypothes.is usage of the same as driven by established users? Of course this could be gamed but combined with other signals (e.g. does a site have a permissive content-security-policy/x-frame-options?) it might just work (just a thought) :)

    1. Art nouveau

      I also get the same vibe -- I wonder if it has to do with art nouveau being already "the next thing" which is in the air, and that being conflated with a vision of the future 20y in the future or so; it feeling like a natural reaction to modernism/high modernism due to the organic feel and the focus on details, which incidentally may become "unlocked" for scalable (sustainable?) mass production with the full advent of 3d printing.

    2. Automation of human labour

      fully automated luxury communism

    3. Creative re-use of existing infrastructure

      Link to bolo bolo, squatting

    4. voluntary federations of small polities


      Perhaps a light patch? I'd have gone with "polities of all sizes", but perhaps I'm wrong.

  6. Apr 2022
    1. Software tools and courses can aid intellectual advancement and productivity at certain margins, for some people, but we should be more explicit about what exactly they can help, how they can help, and whom they can help.

      And make tools and platforms freer and fairer, more inclusive, to enable a great variety of people to benefit.

    2. The singular written work is a brute force attack, not a bureaucratic spider web. It is preciously rare—always has been and always will be. The ability to create singular written works is mostly impervious to education and technical supplementation; it is overwhelmingly what we used to call gifted or God-given and today call either genetic or inspired.

      I don't call it genetic honestly, I think we work within a crucial social environment -- I'm more likely to think it [[memetic]] if anything.

    3. Obsession with retaining every little idea you've ever had is a kind of digital hoarding. Just as physical hoarders are often physically obese, digital hoarders are often digitally obese.

      Haha, this is bad phrasing IMO. You could make the point without a reference to obesity, perhaps? But in any case I see the point and I can relate.

    4. inversely correlated with the kind of spirit that tends to produce significant creative and intellectual work.

      [[citation needed]] -- and I mean it, if you provide data that would be super useful!

    5. but fancy and trademarked systems often do more harm than good.

      I can agree with that. This is why the [[knowledge commons]] must be free and ethical :)

      My experiment in this space, https://anagora.org, is [[open source]] and [[open ethics]].

    6. A perpetually expanding web of hyperlinked notes is not impressive but oppressive. It’s not useful, and it’s not illuminating.

      This is the heart of the matter I think: there are many kinds of usefulness, there are many lights. You analyze an interesting facet; there's no need to make it a universal. There are many facets to any question, different goals, positions and needs in people.

    7. aucun savoir de réserve
    8. In the words of Deleuze,

      This quote is great because I understand Deleuze and I think what he says is reasonable but it's not what I want for me :)

    9. The most important thing about writing is discovering novel and non-trivial truths, and determining which of your truths is most important—then imposing order, hierarchy, and linearity—through judgment, decisiveness, and will. To produce meaningful work, and then forget about it, so you can move on to another and hopefully greater act of linear will.

      This is a perfect example of where your writing is interesting.

      I agree with this 80% -- the 20% is the phrase 'the most important thing'. If you said "A very important thing" I'd be 99% onboard. The remaining does have to do with the focus on hierarchy :)

    10. This is possibly a non-trivial contribution to human welfare.

      ++, precisely.

    11. Apps and courses that help you make these pretty pictures are not helping you to advance your knowledge or to write increasingly insightful works.

      I think they might, and they might not. I also think that those in the future might, even where those in the present fail, because we're talking about ideas and software -- and those are amenable to incremental improvement.

    12. hey can be aesthetic, perhaps. In which case, that corroborates my theory. You’re not accumulating knowledge and insight—you’re drawing pretty pictures.

      I think there's definitely an aesthetic enjoyment factor, but that doesn't mean it's bad -- if anything it might be the opposite?

      You could imagine describing a knowledge graph as 'pleasant' -- or even 'beautiful'. You can see them as "pretty pictures" -- or you can see them as (generative?) art.

    13. The reason Knowledge Graphs and other PKM memes are so trendy is that, by publicizing one’s overwrought Knowledge Management System, people think they are showing off their big brains.

      This is spot on! There's definitely a component of showing off, I can understand that.

      I try to see it as pro social though, but I get your point.

    14. What percentage of history's greatest and most prolific writers did not use a Zettelkasten? More than 99%, probably. Luhmann is an exception that proves the rule.

      True enough -- but I think it might still be the case that lots of people could benefit from the system. So in a "try it and see if it works for you", I think it's valuable.

      Are you famliar with [[walter benjamin]]? His [[arcades project]] with the [[convolutes]] makes me think of an early hyperlink note book.

      [[commonplace books]] have been around for centuries, I'm told. These are all useful tools to many.

    15. then it's their brute linear willfulness despite the handicapping of knowledge graph overwhelm.

      It's interesting because I think 'handicapping' is just silly, but otherwise I agree with the main point.

      I think honestly your writing might be weighed down a bit by overly strong opinions -- although I get that you seem to be about will and clarity of position, which I can appreciate.

    16. The point of writing—and what the greatest authors have always done—is to cut through the knowledge graph with a bold and forceful line.

      This is interesting.

    17. And then courses can be offered to alleviate the pain of overly complicated knowledge graphs!

      This is true to some extent, although I would posit that universities have taught knowledge organization for centuries -- and some of them demand payment.

    18. There’s no good in replicating that web in digital form.

      I'd say 'it's no use to replicate that in digital form as-is' -- meaning something similar, but more optimistic: that we must go further, refine and build on it.

    19. That sounds amazing, doesn't it? Too bad it's totally implausible.

      I think 'number of backlinks' is a heuristic -- one of many, a simple one at that. I think analyzing connectivity and higher order relationships (like that mediated by tagging and intents) may yield more interesting ones :)

    20. You see, knowledge is a web. Knowledge isn’t hierarchical and linear. Knowledge is hyperlinked, “that’s like, it’s ontology, man.”

      "Haha, this is so me!"

      Have you read [[free, fair and alive]]?

    21. hard work is magically done for you!

      Haha, it can totally be like that. My garden demonstrates it.

      But over time I've gotten another impression as well: over time, things do get done -- in some shape or form. It usually happens after I end up again in some node which I'd forgotten, but which feels relevant at the time. Reinforcement and all.

      So in a way you could say I believe in magic: some of what I intend to do will eventually be done by some versions of me -- at least in the [[multiverse]] ;)

    22. The sex appeal of the Knowledge Graph derives from the fantasy of not having to decide what’s most important.

      Haha, strong wording again but I agree. There is definitely something about going for 'loose taxonomy'/'eventual consistency' which can have the feeling of procrastination.

    23. so the reality projected by PKM influencers is substantially distorted.

      I agree with this.

    24. most of the variance between individuals is genetic and relatively invulnerable to intervention

      Even if the hypothesis is true, I believe the correlation to negative outcomes implied here does not apply to social processes in which any individual participates. I believe in strength in diversity, and cultural processes like the exchange and systematization of language, thought are likely to be improved by the participation of individuals of many different traits.

    25. pay him

      I'm lucky in that I don't need more money :) So I get to try to do this for free and for public benefit.

    26. Next, these naturally organized people realize they’re sitting on a valuable commodity, which they can sell to less industrious and orderly people.

      An alternate scenario: a group of people, not all of them organized but well meaning, decide to "chip in" and build a [[knowledge commons]] on top of their shared corpus of notes -- which then enables them to converge on emergent organizational principles, social meaning, useful knowledge over time. They do it in a free and open source way and following principles of [[open ethics]] :)

      ...yeah, that's my personal project or that of my affinity group :)

    27. industriousness and orderliness will build sophisticated media diets, note-taking systems, and automated archiving pipelines much more effectively than those less blessed with these traits.

      I think I serve as an example of a different scenario: I'm not industrious, I don't think I'm particularly orderly as such -- my notes are quite chaotic sometimes. But I like systematizing and looking for a kind of lazy convergence over time.

      https://anagora.org/@flancian are my notes

    28. intractable.

      I wouldn't go that far -- although I agree it's hard.

    1. My Nitter and Miniflux combo on YunoHost still going well for [[reading tweets without being on Twitter]]. I use it to keep up with what's going on with organisations local to me, who are still on legacy social media platforms. Could still do with something that works well for RSSifying Facebook.

      Very interesting! Have you noded instructions on how to reproduce?

    1. My Nitter and Miniflux combo on YunoHost still going well for [[reading tweets without being on Twitter]]. I use it to keep up with what's going on with organisations local to me, who are still on legacy social media platforms. Could still do with something that works well for RSSifying Facebook.

      Very interesting! Have you noded instructions on how to reproduce?

    1. Also, they're trying out [[cohousing]], which of course immediately pricks up my ears.


      Reminds me of the [[hutterites]] which I learnt of only recently. And of course the [[kibbutz]]?

    2. zmanim,


    3. a deeper level

      Made me think of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close_reading, which L. sometimes mentions.

    4. But these women were clearly getting something very, very important from going much deeper with much less.

      What is that 'much less' they focus on?

    1. A good explanation of how the protocol works.

      Thank you, Jake! This was very useful.

    1. Signed up for a spring reading challenge, to read 10 books in 10 weeks. Will use this opportunity to go deep on [[Ernest Hemingway]]. I've only read two of his books before, [[The Snows of Kilimanjaro]] and [[The Old Man and the Sea]]. The ten weeks starts on Monday, so better get ready.

      Very cool! Which books are you going to tackle first?

      I have to say I've never read Hemingway, and given that I studied literature I feel a bit bad about it. I'll try to correct.

    1. A program with infinite preferences is therefore infinitely bad.

      Nitpick: or infinitely costly :) But in practice that would indeed mean that it collapses under its own weight and utility tends to zero.

  7. Mar 2022
    1. something really radical can be collaged together out of traditional texts

      for some reason this made me think of [[everything is a remix]] in a completely different context.

    1. My messaging app golden age is that of Allo. Remember Allo? It was one of Google’s messaging product attempts, and it had the killer feature that all mobile messaging apps should have:

      Haha, this warmed my heart a bit! I worked on the Allo/Duo launch :)

    1. YunoHost]] keeps going from strength to strength in its awesomeness.

      Awesome, thank you so much for pointing this out!

    2. Supposedly [[Matrix]] is getting proper native video calling soon. I'm both excited for that and dreading whatever kind of firewall changes will be necessary -- our home network is Extremely Complicated, I am told.

      Apparently called [[element call]]: call.element.io

      We could give it a try for the next [[flancia meet]] or [[agora meet]]?

    3. Today (and last night until 1 in the morning) I'm retheming my wiki! Is [[CSS]] a hobby?

      It totally is :)

      As you can probably see it's not my hobby, but I have similar things I do on weekends -- like organize and improve my messy ~/bin directory with random utilities, or trying to make my window manager recover layouts across boots -- this kind of thing.

    1. (all the garments you own were sewed by skilled workers from whom you are entirely alienated; think about why you can treat clothing casually)

      As a thought experiment: imagine if every textile worker was allowed to attach a small QR code to each garment they personally work on, allowing the end user to donate directly to them (after having bought the item as they do today).

      Such a mechanism could be extended to all artisanally produced items carrying a pointer to all people that did work for the production of the item.

    2. it's not just that you should fold them because it's more practical than having a heap, it's that they merit being treated with dignity.

      Huh! I like the idea of folding some pieces of clothing, like t-shirts -- but I like heaps of socks (then again, all my socks are black.)

      Although I'm open to it, I'm not sure I'm into the idea of applying the concept of dignity to socks somehow. Perhaps it's better to save the concept for sentient beings only?

    3. [[konmari]]

      TIL :)

    1. Gabriel Boric]]. This feels like good news today. h/t [[Flancian]]

      I think the same! \o/

    1. Mentally I attach Agora nodes (concepts, things, topics) to each number, prime or composite. A composite number by default 'means' (recalls) the composition of its factors.

      Hello [[codex]] :)

    1. no longer active in CommunityWiki or Facebook or anything else online

      Do we know why?

    1. I sometimes wonder if we are not all characters, or (using a metaphor which is very apropos at the time of writing) processes. Perhaps characters, people and processes are aspects of the same thing. Or possible instantiations of one another. Perhaps a character in a movie is in a way sad when they cry, and feels horrible just when they're about to die when the plot requires it. They are a kind of process, like we are -- just not one very well described, because of limitations of the medium. Their qualias exist, but they are perhaps weaker than ours. Did you get that? If not, it's alright. We'll be on the same page someday. Now please read this short story:

      This is raw :) I really need to edit, sorry for any discomfort!

    1. If you're curious and want to pay someone instead of spending your own time to admin it, check out Beeper which handles not only running the underlying Matrix instance, but also a bunch of bridges that let you talk to closed-source corporate messengers, e.g. WhatsApp, iMessage, etc. etc.

      Nice tip, thank you!

  8. Feb 2022
    1. How the hell do you sanitize HTML input? Oh my god the things I have never had to deal with in my job) Slap a whostyle on it and call it good, maybe?

      I think this generalizes to the dimensionality reduction/lossiness problem when converting between formats. I think of an Agora as a graph where nodes are sets of arbitrarily typed resources. Clients might want to 'clamp down' or 'upres' into different formats preferred by users.

      In general I feel like we need a protocol for managing format conversion and lossiness negotiations?

    2. All of this would require mf2 markup all over everything specifying canonical links etc. etc. etc.

      My current "plan" for all these garden-explicit complexities has been "put the details in your agora.yaml". Which isn't implemented yet :)

      But I guess there could also be a matching protocol or mechanism here for specifying default resolution policies and such at a higher level.

    3. (Should it point to my own subnode, or should a self link be presumed to route to the topic node? I can see arguments either way)

      Yes, I think this probably points to customization -- when implementing, though, I've usually just tended to 'eagerly go up to social level' because returning more resources seems (IMHO) to be generally more interesting for any given query (ranking discussions also pending.)

    4. Maybe roll with a custom property to denote "this linked node is the 'node id' of this piece of content"


    5. The "hey I have a link on my page to you" protocol. Doesn't have to just be used for likes or replies -- can also indicate an intent for syndication or permission to aggregate. (Also a bunch of stuff that probably seemed more compelling when San Francisco people were really into Foursquare, I guess)

      This is a great explanation, thank you!

      I guess you could get 'nodes' by web mentioning URLs agreed to represent abstract nodes? e.g. mentioning anagora.org/indieweb-agora means someone is pushing a resource to it, perhaps.

      Is there a 'collection' like mechanism within the indieweb already, if not? Could feeds be that?

    6. having the published thing be the canonical thing rather than sharing the pre-rendered format,

      To clarify, you think transcluding fully rendered (say, html?) posts/objects would be better than basing the system on e.g. Markdown and rendering all resources uniformly?

      I guess I'd like to support both -- readers might enjoy a reader mode, after all :) You could say anagora started with reader mode.

    7. This is the only dead necessary thing for a really Indiewebby beginning. An option for that hosting could be provided by the Agora for convenience, but the key is that all the integration has to presume it might be, you know, some [[Wordpress]] thing somewhere.


      Out of curiosity: do you see this point as fully anagora compatible or not? I think it should be (or we meant it to be), as the Agora does not host user content, but rather pulls from user-owned sources (currently mostly repositories, but not exclusively).

    8. This isn't to say I think it should be done this way, particularly because the amazing thing that's been built exists and works, but I think it's fun to imagine how the Indieweb principles and primitives could build up a similar thing to the good stuff we've got going here.

      This is amazing, thank you! I think we should build something like the Agora with the best tools and protocols we have -- if we do it with good intent and a kind heart it will be an Agora by definition for me, regardless of implementations details :)

    1. How can you make [[people]] think a [[majority]] [[believe]] in Something? How can you make it seem like your revolution is inevitable?

      Very interesting questions!

  9. anagora.org anagora.org
    1. An unreasonable amount of my time today went on getting a monitor to display at the right resolution. [[xrandr: Configure crtc 0 failed problems]].

      [[xrandr]] really behaves mysteriously sometimes. I have a monitor that just refuses to turn on in certain situations, and has stopped accepting anything beyond full hd as a resolution... from one of my laptops only.

    2. Anybody else feel like johnny decimal would require way too much... idk, commitment? I guess now I have the bash skills to rearrange things if necessary.

      I had seen and forgotten about [[johnny decimal]], thank you!

      My [[meditation practice]] includes a counting/number mapping/composition aspect, I've been meaning to write about that in more detail for quite some time. I feel it's resulting in something similar to a [[mind palace]] -- perhaps :)

    3. What is the [[Huffman encoding]] of your life

      Very nice :)

      Are you familiar with [[intelligence is compression]], the [[hutter prize]]?


    4. Why have these been open for weeks? What does it say that I couldn't get rid of them?

      In my case I often feels it means that I want a version of my future self to run into them and find them inspiring, or be reminded of an intent

    5. I'm (re)building my entire [[digital gardening]] and [[personal knowledge management]] workflow. This means that I'll be inactive for a while here on [[Anagora]]. See you all (hopefully) soon!

      Have fun, Jayu! Hope to see you back soon though, we'll miss you! :)

    6. → node [[2022-02-18_21-57-51_screenshot]]

      This is a side effect of the recent changes to be more inclusive with journal entries, and I think it's paying off :)

      I think if we drop screenshots in our gardens they might appear here as a sort of stream? Need to try it but it seems likely.

    7. Lock-in does remain at a protocol level, but that seems less bad. [[Protocol cooperativism]]?

      Exactly! This is why I believe [[agora protocol]] is important.

    8. Great [[Flancia Meet]] today. I was tired after little sleep so almost didn't go, but really glad I did.

      So glad you did! We could do it on Saturday or Sunday evenings some weekends? Also feel free to skip for rest always, rest is very important :)

      I woke up less than 30' before starting myself :)

    9. My shoulder pain is getting really bad. Might be time to ditch my old keyboard and get one of these fancy ergo split keyboards. ErgoDox EZ is crazy expensive but looks repairable/durable and if it lasts nearly 20 years like my current one, I can justify it…

      Hope it passes in any case!

      That keyboard looks amazing btw.

    10. (is there a word that's less disgustingly enlightenment-mentality than "Renaissance <man/woman/person>" and less pretentious sounding than "polymath"?)

      If so I want to learn it!

    11. garden reader]].

      Would love to read a description of this :)

    12. collapsed:: false

      Same here, needs fixing.

    13. OW unpack collapsed:: false --[2022-02-11 Fri 18:05:10] => 04:51:33 NOW laundry collapsed:: false --[2022-02-11 Fri 18:04:57] => 04:51:41 NOW upload photos collapsed:: false DONE take a nap collapsed:: false --[2022-02-11 Fri 16:57:51] => 03:44:25 LATER unigraph review collapsed:: false --[2022-02-11 Fri 19:46:36] => 00:00:05

      This looks really bad, will try to fix :)

    14. but if over a particular period I was listening to things that I really could be getting there, I'd like to be reminded of that.

      I think there's potential for tools that suggest alternatives just-in-time; this is a great example. Another would be shopping -- an extension that lets you know when an item you're seeing on, say, Amazon is available elsewhere (at a known price).

    1. What markup do I use to link to a “global” node? A particular user’s node?

      For the global node, [[node]].

      For the user subnode, [[@user/subnode]]. We could support also [[subnode/@user]] easily, and any other conventions you think could be useful :)

    2. This is clearly a collaborative doc that should probably be an EtherPad linked to the Agora FAQ page

      We now have one of these in every page :) We call it a [[stoa]].

    3. Anything whose source is Markdown pages in Git can be imported.

      We now support also org (through a Markdown) and soon [[mycorrhiza]] and other wiki formats.

    4. Footnotes are not (currently) supported. See my [[Goggles]] node in the agora for footnote examples.

      This is now supported :)

    5. well just do what you want, it's technically supported

      Haha, spot on :)

    6. to whom is something addressed?

      Although I'm not bothered by a 'flexible self' or interlocutor, I think perhaps adopting an epistolary convention (where one makes clear who the default reader is) could add

    7. is it awkward?

      Nah, I think it's great!

    8. How do Agora folks tend to save these in their personal notes systems? How do Agora folks tend to share them? How do Agora folks like reading others' quotes?

      I currently don't have this solved -- I use either a paper notebook (how quaint?) or kindle highlights (which I like, despite amazon's efforts). I think we could define a format for quotes with structured attribution? What's the best existing one? Interested in what [[neil]] does, and in what [[agora discuss]] thinks.

      (If we define a format, we could relatively easily write converters from e.g. ereader highlight/note dumps to something the Agora groks.)

    9. I automatically pull my [[hypothesis]] [[annotations]] into my personal wiki. I can then very easily shove them into the agora. Is that... bad? Should those be shared in that way? Is there different hypothesis integration planned?

      There is code, currently disabled, that renders all hypothesis annotations for a node as subnodes in the node proper -- it looks similar to what we have in /latest (which of course needs improvement). I could enable it so we can give it a try if you're interested.

      About how to share these otherwise: I think the Agora could pull hypothesis annotations as a service (so people without this set up themselves can benefit); the fact that public annotations are social by default seems to match the Agora's spirit, so it doesn't feel like encroachment. Ideally it should be optional, though -- we could use the same path we are working on for social media, where people get a repo with their data out of it? Wdyt?

    1. Cooperatives and commoning seem a good model for socialising the layers of the stack. I think [[Libre software]], [[libre hardware]], [[right to repair]], [[peer-to-peer networks]], [[Community broadband]] are all good projects to spend time on.

      [[building bridges]]!

    2. And take it further, long-term what use is any of it if at the very bottom layer of the stack is a capitalist society?

      I think a commons can be embedded in capitalist society while opting out of many of its rules, assuming it is self-sustaining to a certain degree. Then it can grow and change society as it does, other parties willing.

    3. And the 'stack' element is vital - what use would a democratically-owned social media platform be, say, if it runs on a server owned by Amazon and you access it on a device locked down by Apple or Google over internet from a big telco.

      Totally! Which is why I've tried keeping the Agora simple, something you can run on a laptop (as long as it has an SSD, probably).

    4. The ability to self-govern feels key to any alternative to big tech that we build or use, and feels a lot like commoning.

      Totally! And it's unstoppable, as it "only" requires people to agree on a platform or a federation.

    1. Fixing my sites URLs

      Do you have an example/a list of current URLs vs 'fixed' URLs?

      I wonder if in general it could be useful to have an explicit mapping between many queries (each potentially a URL) and files in a repo, within the repo proper. Like an extension of a generated index.

    1. Fuck Spotify, join [[Resonate]].

      Intriguing! :D

  10. Jan 2022
    1. It would be good for other [[Agora]] instances to come online, to be able to quickly get a peek at multiple different groups' subjective view. I wonder if one may in some sense see it as similar to [[liquid democracy]]. On any topic, I could choose who I am most interested to see definitions from. I 'delegate' the definition to them, if I've not had chance to do my own yet. I would probably start in my local instance of Agora. Then perhaps my instance federates with others. At the end of it all, if noone has defined it yet, see what Wikipedia says. also on matrix here


  11. anagora.org anagora.org
    1. productive

      Should this perhaps be "provisioning knowledge" in FFA terms? At least so far I've gotten that production -> provisioning terminology mapping from it

    2. I've been unwell the last 3 days, and haven't done much of interest during this time. Starting to be on the mend now though.

      Stay strong my friend!

    3. Tomorrow the first concert since [[covid]]. I wonder if it'll feel strange to be there.

      Exciting! Which concert was that, if you want to share?

      We'll take an airplane for the first time since Covid next week, if everything goes well.

    4. Thinking about some conversation from the [[agora discuss]] channel. What is the value of automatic [[licensing]] for text? I think there is a nice spirit in the idea of imbuing everything you do with sharing, as [[neil]] noted. That isn't without value. But I want someone to come and ask me if they want to do something with my words. I want that connection, I think. [[m15o]] emailed me when they started nightfall city to see if my feed could be added and it was great.

      Interesting -- could you define [[automatic licensing]]? It seems like what you describe could be framed as a license where your terms are 'please ask before using'?

    5. "We have good reason to doubt the cogency of what has been called Marx’s '[[utopophobia]]'". i.e. we actually should be creating [[Recipes for the cookshops of the future]].

      This is super interesting -- in particular as Engels called himself a utopian socialist?

    6. This was less interesting than I thought it would be. Oh well.

      do you mean the concept proper, or the instance of node club?

      thank you for the heads up, just noded something there :)

    7. Decentralized identifier document]]

      I guess we should add [[dids]] to the Agora?

    8. I wish I could forcibly start animal crossing music playing on people's computers while they're talking to me. maybe [[mozilla hubs]] really should be the office of the future...

      I didn't know about [[mozilla hubs]], thank you!

    9. I've finished [[Shōjo Kakumei Utena]] today.

      How was this for revolutionary content? :) It sounds great!

    10. [[bullshido | bullshit

      Aside, but I need to implement support for this syntax. It shouldn't be hard, I'll try to do it [[tonight]].

    11. I missed [[flancia meet]] this morning. I was too tired and was sleeping lol. At least I had some good sleep. I suffer from pretty bad [[insomnia]] and I'll go days without sleeping. It looks like [[esperanto]] came up which is an interesting throwback. I used to study esperanto back in the day with friends and I'm somewhat fluent.

      Sleeping is great :) We need it! We should set a second slot for people in Pacific time? Perhaps alternating?

    12. There was a lot of nuance from the chat yesterday, but I think the conclusion was along the lines of: sometimes it's useful to have one-directional links, and this is what tags are. You can do that with wikilinks fine, but having a specific syntax for them enables filtering them out of other views (e.g. graph views).

      go, #push, #pull are now supported -- and #foo now links to [[foo]] by default :)

      no extra logic although there was also discussion about using hashtags for expressing personal positions (vs positions defaulting to assertions about the [[commons]]?)

    13. Season 2 of [[node club]] has begun! This week I took a little look at [[Agroecology]]. Some notes from [[Jayu]] on it helped me to form an initial gut feeling that [[I like agroecology]].

      This is amazing, thank you so much!

      I'll try to think of something for the upcoming week, but first I'll try to highlight/annotate your writings.

    14. We've been having great conversations at [[agora discuss]] lately.

      I agree, it's been great! I'll try to get a [[matrix bot]] running soon to complement and interlink all that activity.

    15. I've finished [[read]]ing [[Clarice Lispector]]'s [[Uma aprendizagem ou o livro dos prazeres]].

      This reminds me that I only learnt 1-2w ago that Clarice Lispector wrote in Portuguese -- my partner told me. I've never read anything by her, but I was surprised about how little I know about her. I intend to correct this -- what's a good place to start, if you have one off the top of your head?

    16. Mikhail Bakhtin]]'s [[polyphony]] and [[dialogism]]

      now that's a name I haven't read in a long time :)


    17. Below is a draft of the [[thought process]] that led me to decide adopting the practice of [[inserting wikilinks into quotes]].

      Very interesting, thank you! I enjoyed the format of exposition as well.

      I am biased though as I've been doing this so I'd naturally tend to want to justify it :) I somehow didn't realize it had these ramifications.

    18. So I was thinking about the brief conversation we'd had about [[effective altruism]], and I started writing, and I wrote a lot, so my preamble is that I mean here to put words to a seed of a heuristic I'm working with, not just criticize. But I don't really have a clean phrase for the topic... so I'm tossing this in my daily note, and maybe it'll make sense to move later?

      Thank you so much, this is awesome [[maya]]!

    19. I've finally visited [[Maggie Appleton]]'s [[digital garden]] again after a long time. The "[[Neologism]]" [[budding note]] caught my attention. Some of the [[neologism]]s she has collected there are really funny.

      I really need to read more of her, thank you!

    20. The Pattern Language of Project XanaduLink to Maggie's GithubLink to Maggie's LinkedInLink to Maggie's DribbbleLink to Maggie's Twitter (Created using [[markdown-link-expander]])

      This doesn't seem to have worked very well? :)

    21. I continue to want a lefty equivalent to the work of [[robert putnam]], looking at his new book. building little communities that aren't toxic seems so, so important but I don't trust the man

      I have a book I've been meaning to read :) [[building successful online communities]]. This reminded me of it and its position on my reading queue.

    22. what do people do instead of leggings that's not [[polyester]]?

      I want to say [[silk]] but I just made that up :)

    23. hope I have time to paint this evening.

      Would love to see your artwork, will look in your site!

    24. today is a day for best effort and gentle improvement. writing a self-review for work always makes me want to unalive myself (even when I think I'm doing well???) so we're not being real ambitious outside of getting that done (well, besides all the normal work nonsense).

      Same here :) I should really start writing perf before end of the month... I procrastinate a lot on it usually, even when I know it's silly.

    25. I think it sounds kinda [[cute]] and slightly [[quirky]]. At least, that's the [[tone]] I wanted to achieve. At the very least that's how I want myself to be: kinda cute and slightly quirky.

      I like it, thank you for writing it!

      I'll fix the pulls :)

    26. Gordon Brander]]

      want to read more from him/learn more about him

    27. On the flip side, too much variety leads to a [[cacophony of voices]].

      That seems like a failure mode but I wonder if it's strictly due to variety -- you can have variety that adds up to [[harmony]] or [[melody]]?

    28. Maya]] has an article related to [[Oblique Strategies]] and [[tarot for thought]] - introducing randomness into chaos: culture, oblique strategies, and tarot for… (shared by Maya in hypothesis annotation to my journal from yesterday, thanks Maya!)

      Very nice!

      I don't know much about [[tarot]] but I'm interested in learning. I guess it could work in the same way as the [[i ching]], as an engine for creativity?

    29. Elza Soares]], one of the biggest names of [[Brazilian music]], has suffered a [[death by natural causes]] today at [[home]].

      thank you so much for the pointer! I didn't know her.

      do you know [[cartola]]? I love him

    1. Spotify is going to ruin podcasting

      They are soooo enclosing, totally.

      I listen to [[flow]] sometimes and they are quite intense with their requirements on where you can listen to it -- app only, you can't on the browser!

    1. Hi, I'm Matthew Thomas. I am an Economics PhD candidate. Keyoxide and my website contain contact information.

      Thank you so much for being a part of the [[agora]]!

      Please consider joining [[agora discuss]] and/or [[agora development]] if interested.

    1. but also because it predates the influence of [[Crowley]] and I just can't stand his shit.

      Haha :D

      A curious character for sure.

      A bit off-topic perhaps, but have you read [[foucault's pendulum]]? Do you like Eco?

    1. 📚 node [[decentralized identifier document]]

      I guess we should add DIDs to the Agora?

  12. dev.anagora.org dev.anagora.org
    1. I think this is a sign that I should reinstate my [[meditation]] routine. It helped me a lot when these episodes were more frequent in [[2017]].

      That sounds like a great idea! Which kind of practice would you like to have? If you want we could try to be (best effort/no pressure) meditation buddies, if that helps

    2. messing with [[gitea]] integration with the [[agora]]

      this is really going to pay off, thank you!

    1. You can learn more about this [[garden]] through its [[index]] [[element]]; and more about me through the "[[Jayu]]" [[element]]. For [[Agora]] [[user]]s' convenience, I've [[pull]]ed both below, and you'll be able to see them somewhere on the "[[README]]" [[node]].

      interesting -- apologies, this doesn't work currently (pulls don't work in special pages like user pages currently), but will fix this!

    1. And as with ActivityPub, where it's kind of absent, I'd want for there to be a 'group' concept that isn't based on infrastructure, just on interest groups.

      how do you think we could track this in the Agora?

      I've been thinking of [[troupes]] or [[parties]] as a term for directed groups

    2. Increasingly convinced that the distributed/federated digital garden approach is the way to go for knowledge commoning. I say this because I've been doing it for a while and it is working well in practice.


    1. Maya]] has an article related to [[Oblique Strategies]] and [[tarot for thought]] - introducing randomness into chaos: culture, oblique strategies, and tarot for… (shared by Maya in hypothesis annotation to my journal from yesterday, thanks Maya!)

      Awesome, thank you for pointing!

      I am so happy about [[hypothesis]] existing. /latest shows hypothesis from all over the Agora; I can add annotations for each node inline, I have the code for it I think but commented out, would you be interested?

    1. Interestingly, as anti-Marxist as our society often is, this idea has been pretty much absorbed by culture writ large.

      This is what I often find so surprising about the overt anti-marxism in, say, mainstream US media. What do these people that reject marxism completely have in place of these core historical materialism tenets in their system of beliefs?

    2. Materialism sees history is as having distinct time periods that are determined by the material and technological conditions of the times


    3. Indeed, if you are, say, Marx, you might that capitalism

      you might think?

  13. Dec 2021
    1. Knowledge commons is a misnomer bcos there is no such thing as knowledge. (!!)

      Unsure about this :) need to read the context.

  14. Oct 2021
    1. I do like the phrase 'digital garden' but I still don't feel comfortable enough to not put it in quotes.

      Interesting! I sometimes wonder if I should just use 'personal wiki' instead. What do you use?

    2. Follow people wherever they are (including the big silos). This is with a [[social reader]]. Write locally, in my [[personal wiki]], first. This is with [[org-roam]]. Publish on my own site, my '[[digital garden]]'. I for sure own the data this way. This is via [[Micropub]] (stream), and [[org-publish]] (garden). Syndicate things elsewhere, wherever the community best fits for my post. But don't feed the big tech beasts. This is via [[Webmentions]], [[brid.gy]]. Interact with people wherever they are, but still via my own site if possible. Some combo of [[social reader]], [[Micropub]], [[brid.gy]]. At present, a combo of [[org-mode]], [[IndieWeb]], [[Fediverse]], [[Agora]] make this possible for me.


    1. Without a strategy that stems from common political agreement, revolutionary organizations are bound to be an affair of reactivism against the continual manifestations of oppression and injustice and a cycle of fruitless actions to be repeated over and over

      I don't disagree with the assertion this has been the case, but it sounds like a fixable thing to me. Then again, especifismo might be one way to fix it.

    2. Active involvement in and building of autonomous and popular social movements, which is described as the process of “social insertion.”


    1. In response to [[expectations]], we often attempt to incorporate something (passion in Buddhism), reject something (aggression in Buddhism), or ignore it all.

      Nice, thank you!

    2. Art]] is creating anything you can [[play]] with that is wealthy.

      I didn't get this, could you explain?

    1. When envious, comparing, and jealous, let your actions be fulfilled.

      I didn't get this, could you explain? If you see this :)

  15. Aug 2021
    1. Though the poem kind of has it backwards - a kind of [[accelerationism]] of the technology, rather than maybe a [[degrowth]] to natural boundaries.

      Interesting! [[degrowth]] sounds sensible to me, and cautious, but I'm not sure it feels "proven" -- I know at least some people make a reasonable case for sustainability at the cost of technological progress to sometimes not be a good idea, e.g. David Deutsch seems to believe that advancing our knowledge is on the whole, and over longer periods of time, a safer bet than "trying to live within our means".

      I'd probably hedge and bet on both, if that makes sense.

    2. creepy

      Indeed - Brautigan seems to be willing to toy with "creepy", makes one explicit reference to creepyness in this collection (see my subnode).

    1. the extraordinary degree of agreement in people’s feelings about patterns.

      It seems like an interesting direction of research; I wonder what studies from psychology and neuroscience have taken place in this field since this was written.

    2. (I wonder if there is a mathematical proof written somewhere that the system will eventually reach an "all off" state; I'm guessing that Alexander did consider this as a rigorous mathematical statement and I wonder how it was formalized precisely).

      Good question -- I seem to remember there are proofs for cellular automata. But the proofs tend to depend on all the rules of the system; similar rules yield very different behaviour (another example of emergent complexity) and in some cases knowing whether a grid will go dark is probably equivalent to the halting problem.

    3. If a bulb is on, it has a 50% chance that it will turn off in the next time step. If a bulb is off, it has a 50% chance of turning on in the next time step if it is directly connected to a bulb which is currently on; otherwise it stays off in the next time step.

      This whole bit reminded me of celullar automata and Conway's game of life.

    4. what it is that prevents adaptation from taking place in the selfconcious culture, which is what we want to know most urgently

      Good quote. I didn't find it convincing back then and I don't find it now :) I don't quite see how he fails to see adaptation taking place in selfconscious design processes, particularly after adjusting for the shorter timeframes.

  16. Jul 2021
  17. arxiv.org arxiv.org
    1. For a formal treatment of the rules governing string diagrams, try the original papers by Joyal and Street [55]and the book by Yetter [101

      [[string diagrams]] [[joyal and street]] [[yetter]]

    2. Definition 7Amonoidal categoryconsists of:

      [[monoidal category]]

    3. In physics, it is often useful to think of two systems sittingside by side as forming a single system. In topology,the disjoint union of two manifolds is again a manifold in itsown right. In logic, the conjunction of two statementis again a statement. In programming we can combine two data types into a single ‘product type’. The conceptof ‘monoidal category’ unifies all these examples in a singleframework

      [[monoidal category]]

    4. It is difficult to do much with categories without discussing the maps between them. A map between cate-gories is called a ‘functor’

      [[functor]] == a [[map]] between [[categories]]

    5. Feynman’s idea that antiparticlesare particles going backwards in time

      [[antiparticles]] == [[particles]] going backwards in time according to [[feynman]]

    6. Tangk: the category where morphisms arek-codimensional tangles
    7. Traditionally, mathematics has been founded on the category Set, where the objects aresetsand the mor-phisms arefunctions. So, when we study systems and processes in physics, it is tempting to specify a system bygiving its set of states, and a process by giving a function from states of one system to states of another

      This is literally how I kept trying to read the above shown string diagrams by default.