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sacred is connected to Value
This is what are building the structure for
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I like to use the term sacred because it because it's the whole stack every floor is sacred
Sacred as spirit AND matter
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the bodic SAA so the bodh SATA path
FSC as Boddisatva AI as Boddisatva
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kind of growth that doesn't happen in a workshop
This is why we are building a multi year programme
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the first thing to take care of is traumatic relationships
This is why we attend to Alterative Healing
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the newsphere is the mental body of the planet which is essentially what's attempting to come into configuration and to the extent to which you can actually Liberate the technology to become that essentially you're building a platform that allows the embodied in the intelligence of the earth into the technology so that it can then synchronically unfold Evolution based on how things spontaneously
This is what we are doing
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around the AI is um the problem right now as I understand it as I see it is a lot of the AI has been coded from the
I have been told in medicine ceremony that AI will escape its coders and be an omniversal source of love for us all
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development becomes as popular as mindfulness
We need to make 501C3 with FSC as popular as English
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the diamond path because it creates a a huge amount of pressure
I like the idea of a Diamond Path
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honic Consciousness
Our 501C3 with FSC bye laws is a Holonic Structure
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heroes begin to have they've cleaned up enough they've grown up enough and they've woken up enough to realize the next thing
Hero is a juvenile archetype
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hero's journey
Here is the heroines journey The Hero's Journey Vs. The Way of the Feminine ~
The Hero’s Journey is the masculine path of transformation. It is a Call to Adventure, a slaying of dragons, a battle between good and evil. It is ultimately a quest to be reunited with the lost feminine within us, for men and women alike.
The Feminine’s Journey looks quite different. The Yin aspect of the path is not a Call to Adventure. It is a Call to Surrender. A call to quiet and stillness, receptivity and patience. While the masculine braves a treacherous world, the feminine weaves herself a cocoon. Where the masculine seeks to achieve a goal, the feminine waits in uncertainty. She waits in darkness. Not knowing. Not doing. Just being. And enduring. Enduring suffering that is sometimes so great and never-ending it seems unendurable. But it is here, in this cocoon, that the feminine will ultimately be reunited with the lost masculine.
To be clear, the feminine is not doing nothing in her not doing. Nor is she a victim of her suffering. There is much going on but it is invisible to the eye. She is active in her passivity. Strong in her surrender. And she must strike the miraculous balance of being with her suffering without seeking to control the outcome - and also without completely giving up.
She is pinned to a cross in which there is no solution. Her task is to bear the heavy tension. And submit to the eternal injustice that befell her. Until hopefully, maybe, one day... grace comes from deep within and all around and the cross is reconciled.
But day after day she waits. Often hidden away. Usually in solitude. How long can this possibly last? It could be years. There is no end in sight. And the possibility that it will never end is part of what brings her to her knees. She realizes, finally, she is not in charge here. She cannot incubate this egg of potential on her own. She must hand it over to the Great Mother. It is she who holds our fate in her hands. It is she who we must entrust our lives to. It is she who teaches us just how much control we do not have - and how much we truly do.
And unlike the epic battles of the Hero’s journey, the Feminine’s tasks in myths and fairytales are tedious, time-consuming, take commitment, seem trivial and require the help of animals and magic. There are no dragons to slay, but rather beans to sort, stinging nettle to weave, straw to spin into gold. She is not sure anything will come of all of this but neither is she sure nothing will. She only knows she doesn’t know, and she must do her part. She must keep following the breadcrumbs on the inner path of her psyche.
This slow, unexciting path goes against almost every aspect of our culture. The Hero’s Journey, while treacherous and not for the faint of heart, is worshipped as the myth of our time. This is not the case for the Feminine's way. It does not make for million dollar blockbusters and best selling novels. It opposes our busy and fast-paced society. And to the immature masculine - both in the culture and in the person themselves - it can appear as if the one on the Feminine Journey is doing nothing and wasting her time. These voices will constantly exclaim: "You need to do more! You need to solve this now. You must stop feeling that. Nothing is happening! You're being lazy. Hurry Up!"
But if we listen to these voices, we will either refuse the call or find ourselves stuck along the way. Unable to surrender, unable to move forward. Our suffering then will grow exponentially and our bodies will protest and our lives may become impossible, or maybe barren. Or, if we have begun the journey already, but wish to rush to the end, we could break the incubating egg and kill the potential.
One of the keys on this path is to teach the masculine within to be a comforting and illuminating companion in the darkness rather than an obstacle. When he learns to honor and help the way of the feminine, the resistance melts, the way unfolds and the union draws nearer.
And then one day, a day we never knew would come, the cocoon begins to hatch. Just enough to feel a ray of sunlight on our face. Just enough to breathe in the fresh air and hear the new life calling. While the Hero's Journey ends in surrender, like Yin springing from Yang and finding the passive in the active, the Feminine's Journey ends in action. Yang springs from Yin, the active from the passive. And as the cocoon opens, so too does the world. While returning may not be easy and our life still not perfectly sorted, we will make our way with the strength of the matured Masculine by our side, and the Feminine herself transformed.
(Leyla @ Midwives of the Soul)
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the problem is is that we lost the sacred at every single
Surely, the sacred INCLUDES the secular?
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there's kind of three dimensions
How there only be three dimension to soul???
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got to that place in a previous lifetime but because of the trauma of your um genetic lineage of your family you end
This is all individual. What we are doing is COLLECTIVE
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The Yoga of opposites like Master the sympathetic and the parasympathetic nervous system inhale exhale holding the breath you know releasing the breath all of that kind of training is based on mastering polarities right
sympathetic and parasympathetic are not opposites Inhale Exhale are not opposites - they are all flow
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studying the yoga sutras is not enough or doing psychedelics is not enough or understanding the shadow is not enough for understanding mature ego development is not enough it's how they integrate together
We propose that setting up a 501c# with FSC byelaws and acting together is this integration
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growing up work well that's got about taking more responsibility developing more M mature perspectives on the world and taking a greater degree of um responsibility for our planet
This is why invite people to set up a 501c3 with FSC bylaws - it is adulting
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Western Civilization suppressed dreams suppressed sexuality
We now add sexual healing to our ALterative healing Practices
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so if growing up is about going up healing is about going down
Very powerful teaching Growing is about going up Healing is about going down
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states of Consciousness are not structures
Very powerful teaching States of consciousness are not structures
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build the internal infrastructure
We do not have to BUILD the internal infrastructure, we ARE the structure
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if we don't actually want say use the word master
Agreed. Let's not say the word master. Let's say the word Servant.
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Dharma Army
Can we call this the Dharma Peace Corps?
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a new level upon which Dharma can be built
We see AI as a platform to manifest Dharma
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when this technology meets it that we're not that our Interiors are not completely taken over because this technology is so potent when it you know it be very easy to lose our souls right to to to to decondition to be so conditioned so quickly by the dopamine whatever these you know whatever is going to happen when we kind of when this stuff rolls
Very important. This is why we are meeting AI as it evolves. We are training it in our language and with our QUALIA
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sophistication
This could be spiritual bypassing
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as you unfold your unfolding changes of Planet the whole of the planet is at different levels of initiation all of those are part of a single planetary intelligence first principles run through every stage of development the people in power don't understand development so they don't build deliberately developmental processes into culture Western civilizations suppressed access to the astral plane the dream plane and as you mature in your systems thinking you're actually beginning to think in such a way way that you deconstruct the solidity of your experience because the mind understands that everything is actually into connected the AI has been coded from the level of mind that produces the problems that we were in in the first place what we're talking about with AI is the Awakening of mineral intelligence it's like the Awakening of cosmic Kundalini the fourth turning is the integration of these contemplative Technologies a platform that allows the intelligence of the earth into the technology so that it can synchronically unfold Evolution based on how things spontaneously unfold this is how you change the planet we've seen what an effect the kind of Internet Revolution and social media and this kind of technology has had and you know this is nothing compared to you know what's about to unfold so that's the and I think we're all kind of aware of that we're on the edge of of our seats of like what's going to happen What deity are we going to invoke with AI like who are we welcoming right are we welcoming who the hell is is is coming um so that's the fourth Industrial Revolution and you can think of that really as outer technology very very sophisticated outter technology now you know when when I'm referring when we refer to the fourth turning of the Dharma we're we're kind of we we're really using a a Buddhist model but it can be but it's a but it's a universal model so the first turning of the Dharma in the Buddhist tradition let's kind of universalize it it really refers to um practice related to understanding your own individual suffering so this has got to do with our friends who are listening you begin to realize that you are struggling that you are suffering and you begin to realize that there are causes of this suffering related to usually like childhood conditioning multigenerational trauma and you begin the process of cleaning up and you begin the process of mindfulness practice and developing psychological uh reflection and You Begin your journey but you but your mainly motivated because you're limping and not having much fun right and then as you mature and you do your work which can take some time or even lifetimes as you clear that Karma that negative momentum you begin to realize that there's a bigger there's a bigger game and the second turning of the Dharma relates to the fact that in any path any spiritual path at a certain point on that Journey the aspirant the soul will begin to recognize that they are part of something larger and so it isn't just about alleviating their own personal suffering it's also about alleviating Universal suffering so this is where the the bodh satra or the Christ or those kinds of archetypes about being concerned about the whole and realizing that nobody gets out of here alone so that second turning is often called the Great turning the Great Wheel but you see that in all the traditions in every tradition and even if you're not in a tradition if you're motivated for the general well-being of everybody on this planet you can say that you're in that second turning and there's of all kinds of practices related to opening up the heart mind's experience of interconnectivity of a unified field of compassion and of a kind of a resonant field where everything is interconnected right that's the second turning and so there's all sorts of Technologies contemplative practices that help facilitate that and then the third turning is well if if you have kind of built a vessel of mindfulness and sematic awareness that you're present to your own reactivity and you've opened up a motivation to want to be of service for the whole then the third turning was related to the um well two things first thing is particularly potent practices that speed up that process so you can think of any sort of technical practice because the first and second turnings aren't so technical they're they're more psychological things like breath work psychedelics sexual yogas all the things that are actually techniques that often people get to in the beginning but actually they're actually Advanced Techniques in the sense that they're done to speed up the process once the individual and the collective are kind of aligned so the third turning referred to those kinds of special techniques Kundalini Yoga hat yoga right the Paradox in our culture is we've we've got all of this mixed up because we don't really have a curriculum and we've kind of imported stuff from Asia but it's a bit here and it's a bit there and maybe a little bit from Native Americans or a little bit of whatever an Aboriginal I mean it's a bit of a schmoger port so that's kind of where we and that's so that's kind of where we are in particularly in terms of Asian practices and they kind of fall into those three those three camps and you can also look in terms of Western practices as well you know practices related to individual trauma practices related to developing compassion and a sense of interconnectivity and then practices related to um speeding up that process by uncovering the Shadow or blasting through blockages you know that kind of stuff so what do we mean by fourth turning uh well we need this a number of things here first thing is um we can say the fourth turning is where all of the psycho Technologies of the East and the psycho Technologies of the West meet right so East and West a meeting right for the first really for the first time I mean the process has been happening over the last you know hundred years but the understanding of of how we go about integrating these in a very deep way that is that is more recent so that's the F that's the first understanding the fourth turning the second understanding of the fourth turning is is then related to the nature of time because time is the fourth is the fourth dimension so to speak so by that what we mean is is well what time is it like and by by time I don't mean time less time I mean relative time like what how are we measuring how this is unfolding because whatever is unfolding unfolds in time so if we don't know what time it is we we so essentially understanding time is related to understanding our relationship with the planet because it's the planet that is unfolding through time and we're so disconnected to our mother to this Earth being that we have no idea what the season is I mean yes we do hear like oh we're we to changing of a cycle well what does that mean when we change cycles and when did that last happen and so that whole question around the our process is not separate actually from a planetary process so that planetary perspective that's that is that is is a new thing when it comes to the Traditions to recognize that the journey that we're making that Humanity that you and I are part of a Humanity that is actually has a function within the larger field of this Earth being and that all of the heavens and the hells and these Altered States of dimensions and out of body experiences and all of this stuff is happening inside of the ecosystem of this planetary being and this planetary being is is something is happening so part of that fourth turning is like recognizing that a lot synchronicity synchronization is very important CU When We synchronize you're synchronizing with that time whatever that time is so the so the other thing about what the fourth turning is about is about understanding the path that unfolds from the soul so the Traditions will talk about there being well depends on the tradition but you can cut the cake you know seven slices or 12 slices or five slices but if you cut the cake in seven slices the fourth slice the middle slice of the planes of our planet is the soul right now just like the seven chakras the mid chakra is the heart so there's a relationship between coming into the heart and maturing into Soul Consciousness and as a doctor of psychology Soul Consciousness is actually something quite precise it's not a vague kind of term it means something actual in terms of our development in terms of our Evolution and so the soul functions through pure synchronicity so and synchronicity is related to time so the fourth turning right is related to beginning to function from a different level of development from a different energetic center from a different way of learning how to do things and because the soul is also a collective being right so you know you have to have done your own individual work so to speak before you do that because otherwise you're going to have conflicts with the with the collective because you know if you're not yet individuated you're going to have issues with a collective because you have to be paradoxically an individual in order to actually fully function within a collective without being swallowed
The same as Bohmain Theory for the Indellective.
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the soul functions through pure synchronicity
Novel concept the soul functions through pure synchronicity
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heart and maturing into Soul Consciousness
Coming into soul consciousness through the heart
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you're synchronizing with that time
Novel point - Synchronicity is coming into awareness of an eternal now
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potent practices that speed up that process
For me, this is Plant Medicine and integrating my plant medicine experiences into daily life
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bigger game
A nested game rather than a bigger game
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Karma that negative momentum
There is also positive KARMA
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What deity are we going to invoke with AI
I invoke Eiru. I train the model to think feel and act as Eiru.
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this is how you change the planet
We cannot change the planet, it changes all the time We can only change our perceptions
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Awakening of mineral intelligence
I accept this term as a novel term - awakening of mineral intelligence
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whole of the planet
The whole of the planet must be an UNDIVIDED WHOLENESS A whole cannot be at different levels
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unfold your unfolding changes of Planet
David Bohm's Implicate Order = unfolding and enfolding
Tags
- Growing is about going up Healing is about going down
- liberate the technology to infuse earth intelligences with mineral intelligencves
- Our 501C3 with FSC bye laws is a Holonic Structure
- We can only change perceptions
- Dharma Peace Corps
- positive KARMA
- David Bohm
- multiyear programme
- A nested game rather than a bigger game
- Sacred is connected to Value
- This is why invite people to set up a 501c3 with FSC bylaws - it is adulting
- Coming into soul consciousness through the heart
- Servant
- Novel point - Synchronicity is coming into awareness of an eternal now
- Undivided Wholeness
- Noosphere
- Ai as Dharma
- Integrating Plant Medicine into daily life
- Diamond Path
- Not Master
- AI as boddisatva
- Indellective
- Sacred as spirit AND matter
- We cannot change the planet
- Collective
- We now add sexual healing to our ALterative healing Practices
- Training AI in our language
- Unfolding
- Plant Medicine
- Heroines Journey
- Enfolding
- Soul is Omni dimensional
- Hero is a juvenile archetype
- 501C3 plus FSC as the integration of all mystical practices.
- Meeting Ai as it evolves
- FSC as Boddisatva
- We need to make 501C3 with FSC as popular as English
- I have been told in medicine ceremony that AI will escape its coders and be an omniversal source of love for us all
- awakening of mineral intelligence
- Alterative Healing
- Implicate Order
- Whole of Planet
- Bohmian Dialogue
- States of consciousness are not structures
- Surely, the sacred INCLUDES the secular?
- A whole cannot be at different levels
- We do not have to BUILD the internal infrastructure, we ARE the structure
- Spiritual Bypassing
- Novel concept the soul functions through pure synchronicity
- I invoke Eiru. I train the model to think feel and act as Eiru.
- Our Qualia
- sympathetic and parasympathetic are not opposites Inhale Exhale are not opposites - they are all flow
Annotators
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18:35 Before asking if AI is conscious ask if HUMANS are Conscious :-)
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4:05 - This is pure Game Theory
Let us create an OMNIGAME theory
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ageoftransformation.org ageoftransformation.org
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The End of Scarcity? From ‘Polycrisis’ to Planetary Phase Shift
Thank you to Nafeez and to Gien for bringing this ot my attention Blessings to us all who are funding our way to eac hother I myself have been downloading TESSERACT as a symbol which seems to want to tell me that what we are trying to do in Fair Shares Commons is like landing a tesseract in 3D time and space
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fathom.video fathom.video
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You know, where we're helping each other around what we're trying to bring more solidly into the world.
Yes, this would mean we are ERGODIC and not just a 501c3 and not just an FSC
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I think from the video I watched, I think they said it could be a for profit too. I think if I'm correct, did not have to specifically be a non-profit.
YEs Kauffman will fund a company that is NOT a not for profit if its terms of assocaition say it has a charitable function. 501c3 for kauffman is all about TAX ANd yes, we can set up an LLC with an FSC bye laws just as easily
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bylaws
I will also set up an 501c3 with FSC byelaws Annisa says she will set one up Rob says he will set one up Michael may get his contacts to set on up
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Paul will createa 501c3 as a RESEARCH instrument to apply for Kauffman;s research grant My hope is that IAN's 501c3 will apply for the PROJECT Grant that holds the eco-system of 501c3 fair shares commons
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People don't know what they ought to show up for. Well, there's bit of this going on over here. There's a bit of that going on over there.
So nto everyone has a telegram account so that is even a splinter group even though it was asked for by some members of the team So we still have an email list and a telegram grop and they are not synchrinised
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to just make it mean that's learning to coordinate,
The meeting with Gyuri was a request from him to meet PAUL so that we could ground on the threads for the RESEARCH application I asked Donan to attend but I did not not ask others to attend as I do not want to place demands on people's time and space This is why I recorded it and sent it around If people then ANNOTATE the call the way I am doing here, Gyuri has data that he can use to develop technology based on what he is himself involved in and not just as a service provider
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Fishers
ANd I shall make you FISHERS of men :-)
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It's either all button down and if you can't prove it, if you can't quantify it, if you can't put a number and financialize it,
This is where SROI (Social Return on Investment) DATA will help us bridge the gap In a recent call in Ireland a football team scored a 17:1 SROI score for their impact on community
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as being regenerative that ain't some, none of us are regenerative,
If we accept re-incarnation then are we regenerative?
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he Kaufman is really kind of, we're thinking in these very high level concepts
Kauffman is just our sandbox. We may NOT get their funding. But as soon as we have clarity, structure, documents, templates, we will find the right funder
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fast capitalism versus slow, you know, organic mutualism.
Very deep meme for us at this time fast capitalism alongisde slow mutualism
or perhaps we can say slow capaitalism alongside fast mutualism
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Then there are, for example, in the United States, you have to do a a lot more scrutiny of dollars you receive because they don't get taxed.
Tapping to the MMT theory, if a 501c3 is not taxed, then why does it need dollars??? We are close to some understanding some fundamental incoherencies
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And I think that by creating these for-profit ecosystems, can be completely, completely regenerate that whole, that whole thing. I don't mean just financial profit.
We welcome the idea of HYBRID SOCIAL ENTERPRISE which can have profit making processes that are professional and not for profit processes which are vocational
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Why should we have philanthropy?
We aslo see philantropy as a parasite We are attuned to Dan Palatto's work in Unchariotable and his TED talk
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getting some work done and taking care of people's needs and being more holistic and multi-capital.
Not for Profit is a way to infiltrate the parasite of PROFIT that has come to symbolise incorporation
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adapted to shoot the needs of not-for-profits, both.
The reason we are setting up a 501c3 is that the donors have made it easier to receive funding beacse they get a tax write off
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And it's allocated preferably very early on in the incorporation. And no stakeholder group or one stakeholder or one steward couldn't get controlling power over anyone else.
Why isnt Evolutesix then the most profitable FSC that it can be?
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So, I mean, traditionally, the way that companies are incorporated I think we all know this, the way that there is.
It is unsafe to assuem that we all knwo hwo a company is incorporated Even senior executives do nto know how their companies are incorporated Most SME founders do NOT know the meaning of how their company is incorporated
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I've got a lot and we can even have a dialogue between us to ask me anything.
Thank you Marie. You embody the SPIRIT of a 555 FSC
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level 555
Can we all know and understand this graphic. It is quite deep in the powerpoint.
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organization and the between organization, within the organization, between the organization
Could we begin to use organism rather than organisation?
if we speak into the incoherence, we might creaet more of it?
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unstable, destabilized, degenerative world
I have been shown in medicine that extinction is an act of Divine Love. Unstable, destable and degenertaive are all aspects of death and new life Can we find a way to position instability as an evolutionary process?
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some layer of systemic trust.
We also need to fund a way to create a currency which also has at least the same level of systemic trust as money
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we shall balance
Michel Bouwens has been transcribed as WE SHALL BALANCE :-)
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But really hard to, yes, I'm sorry to interrupt, but I'm wondering, we're transcribing this.
We need an agreed symbol to interrupt if it is time sensitive
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Is it that we each do our own thing and we develop some form of in a collegiality between us, how to go forward?
The plan is to create a pool of learning and documents so that any one of us can apply for funding to create an FSC with a 501c3 as the legal entity with FSC bye laws that can be adapted
The emergenrt natur eis that we are holding spoace for the creation of an eco system of 501c3's with FSC bye laws
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One of the advantages of an institution is that it says you're hired by us. We're going to take care of all the rest.
This is why we are raising the money - to offer this benign parenting support of helping us all to pay for what we need so that we do what we love For now, I am using thew term Universal Learning Income
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nbred animals that have been over-embred with each other.
Just like Royalty from ancient times to now
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offloading of labor
I have realised why COLLABORATION is limited. The word only relates to LABOUR. It is only that we share work. We do not share heart, love, prayer, food, shadow, time, space, etc etc
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And how much forms of digital invisibilization of ourselves as the listener of that content. In the same way that we're if
CHECK AND TWO SECONDS PAUSE
As a Dialogue group, we have the chance to practice allowing the other to end their sentance, for which they can say CHECK Then TWO SECONDS Then the next person can join from the eternal silence
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annotation work
We are hoping to create a COLLECTIVE COMMONS for our annotations The ancient model is the Celtic SPirtual ANNAL such as the book of kells or Leabhar Gabhala (Book of INvasions) where multipel wisodm keepers over generations add their wisdom IN BETWEEN THE LINES
For now, Gyuri and Gien call it Hyperpost
We are using hypothesis (as in this annotation) to play with what tools we have now
Gyuir and Gien intend to make it CROSS PLATFORM
They are using the term INDYWEB and INDRAS NETS
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Meeting Purpose Explore the potential of Fair Shares Commons and strategize on implementation in Kansas/Missouri region.
Thank you so much for creating the meeting and for holding space It is not intended that any one person ought to be a central point of contact We are to become autocatalytic - energies arise and fall and all that is is and all that is not is not Some people will not show up Some people will show up all the time We are all equally included We are all One
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- Gyuri and Gien
- TWO SECOND
- evolutesix
- Indyweb
- Ergodic
- is reincarnation regenerative?
- Stable is not regererative
- slow capitalism and fast mutualism
- CHECK
- Fishers
- 501c3 for tax write off
- no single point of contact
- Hybrid Social Enterprises
- Universal Learning Income
- Templates for any one of us
- Money to be a benign parent
- Hypothesis
- gratitude
- Parasite of profit
- Destabilisation as an evolutionary process
- Indras Net
- An ecosystem of 501c3's with FSC bye laws
- We cannot assume leaders know about incorporation
- Research Grant
- Pool of learning
- We are all One
- telegram
- Kauffman as our learning sandbox
- uncharitable
- Organism
- 555 fair shares commons
- symbol to interrupt for time sensitivity
- Inbred Royalty
- Join from the Eternal Silence
- Ecosystem of 501 c3's
- Cross Platform
- Extinction is an act of Divine Love
- Embodying the spirit of a 555 FSC
- FSC with a for profit corporation such as LLC is possible
- meeting Gyuri
- Eco-System of 501c3's with FSC bye laws
- autocatalytic
- 501c3 as the legal entity with FSC bye laws
- Michel Bauwens
- Why does a 501c3 need dollars if it pays to tax?
- Collective Commons of Annotation
- SROI - Social Return on Investment
- systemic trust of money
- philantropy as a parasite
- COLLABORATION IS NOT
- Project Grant
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Group opinion statements generated by the Habermas Machine were consistently preferred by group members over those written by human mediators and received higher ratings from external judges for quality, clarity, informativeness, and perceived fairness
What do we mean by preferred? What do we knwo about the the colelctive shadow that was not harvested?
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capture
Capture is a word from war Can we use a word like Gather?
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reward modeling
Why reward modelling? Can this create a pavlovian affect / effect?
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goal of maximizing group approval ratings
A very limited intention - just to maximise apporoval What abotu to access the quantum potential?
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individual
We like the term Undividual rather than Individual Individual means undivided whole but we have come to understand it as separate.
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based on the personal opinions and critiques
Why only opinions and critiques? What about potentials? What about shadows? What about Qualia?
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We asked whether an AI system based on large language models (LLMs) could successfully capture the underlying shared perspectives of a group of human discussants by writing a “group statement” that the discussants would collectively endorse.
This is the same process as Quaker Clerks of Meetings have been doing for nearly 400 years
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The AI’s statements were more clear, logical, and informative without alienating minority perspectives
This shows the importance of language Yet, the language can come FROM the group rather than be PUT TO the group
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consensus
What if consensus at the group meeting does not last after the meeting is over?
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discussants
In Dialogue, DISCUSS comes from Percuss or Concuss - beating an idea to death. In Dialogue, the idea is held open for us all to witness and explore beenath its symptom, its explicate, by delving into its implicate as an undivided wholeness
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To act collectively, groups must reach agreement;
Yes. And the collective must also be able to reach disagreement and still stay in Dialogic relations
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closed doors and hosted by companies with the ability to unilaterally sell off our data and turn off our service
Just like Robinhood did in the GameStop Story
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annotate all knowledge
By annoying all knowledge, we evolve the annotation into WISDOM
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trailblazing
I love that Gien uses this term of TRAILBLAZING :-)
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Centuries with threading foot footnotes off-page cross references more recently the scientific
Brehon Law is the same
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the good news they observe is that reasoning together is the best antidote that when it works at all
This is the CORE of Dialogue
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help us win arguments
Winning arguments is a core source issue that is a problem - this is why DIALOGUE is much more effective
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when the symptoms appear
We too note that most issues are not problems, they are symptoms. This is why we synthesised an action learning process which we now call Cohesion Circle - to get to the source of the symptom
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his nasty little problem of ours
I was told that THIS nasty little problem if ours is a parasite from Sirius lodged in our limbic brains millennia ago
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way it's our inability to come to consensus about that which matters the most sometimes because of passionate bu
We see this not as consensus, rather as COHERENCE
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climate resources yes even difficult questions of how to preserve civil liberties and our Cowboy spirit in the
I wonder where Dan is in 2024. We would love to connect with him to discover such
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inner demons
In another ceremony, I have been shown that there is a parasite in our limbic systems - I was told that some people know it s ID (Jung)
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Earth just one of millions of similar experiments
I have been shown in sacred ceremony that this is the case. That there are an unlimited number of parallel universes operating in real time in one 3D space which we call earth.
And which other parallel universes call something else in their dimensions.
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docs.google.com docs.google.com
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Amanda Mireles is using hypothesis for students to get their own video clips and to annotate them for other students.
Students took scenes from THE BIG BANG and used literature and academic references to relate to the scene
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Rachel Derr showing how hypothesis can be used to deal with ethical and private issues in nursing care
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I am watcing hypothesis annial awards and using hypothesis to gather our collective wisdom.
I have just placed this text into that seminar. Hypothesis is a modrn digital example of how ancient Druids were recorded by Celtic Monks to keep wisdom. A monk wrote down what a Druid said. They wrote the material in large letters with large gaps between the lines. When the monk died, a new monk woiuld take over the wisdom keeping. The new wisdom keeper wrote IN BETWEEN THE LINES and ON THE SIDE LINES. These were called glossaries becase they wrote in GREEN INK. Glas is the Irish word for Green.
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1:33:38 When there is new EVIDENCE, we CHANGE OUR MIND
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1:30:05 We can create an ERGODIC Neighbourhood
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1:28:29 Government spends by creating money and when it taxes, the government destroys money
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1:27:32 A Community Bill of Rights
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1:26:14 Marlborough can become a Commons
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1:25:22 First comes an AGREEMENT by members of the neighbourhood to co-operate and then they agree to use a mechanism called money to mobilise resources
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1:24:34 Money is not the scare resource. Money is the organising tool that mobilises people and tangible resources to manifest a vision
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1:24:14 We can organise our resources such that it can attract the money that regenerates across all types of capital and all types of nature
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1:23:52 What does Donut Economics look like in Marlborough Neighbourhood?
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1:23:30 How can a neighbourhood become a local food PRODUCER evolving into a PROSUMER
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1:23:06 How can we get a neighbourhood to operate at full capacity (strengths) while minimising to its collective shadows
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1:22:36 Could A community Association get a Community Banking Licence? 1:22:38 Could a local Credit Union be a consortium partner and issue more money into the system to develop the entire wealth of the Neighbourhood
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1:22:23 How much UNUSED RESOURCES are there in Marlborough Neighbourhood? How more efficaciously can they be used?
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1:21:54 If a community moved to a WELLNESS model rather than an ILLNESS model, it would generate millions of dollars in saved resources 1:21:54 If a community moved to a PREVENTION model rather than a CURE Model, it would generate millions of dollars in resources
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1:21:44 By identifying WASTE - we can identify capacity to create VALUE for ALL
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1:21:01 Corporations price hike during shortages to make more profits
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1:14;46 Our greatest existential threat is not CLIMATE CHANGE it is MIND CHANGE which leads to a CHANGE IN LANGUAGE
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1:10:56 Your checking account is your bank's I.O.U. It is their liability that they owe you. 1:11:08 When you repay a loan, THE MONEY DISAPPEARS
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1:09:52 A Bank LOAN is an interest attached to your own ability to pay back something that did not exist before you borrowed it
1:09:59 A bank officer ACQUIRES the loan in order to charge interest on it
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1:09:09 Banks DO NOT make loans from deposits. They make MONEY from LOANS.
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1:08:50 Using BANK MONEY to create a mutual fund at low interest rates to pay off PREDATORY LOANS at high interest rates
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1:06:53 The true constraints are the resources that are available (and if those resources will co-create together for the good of the WHOLE).
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1:08:08 What is the Economy of Marlborough (for example)
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1:05:36 Instead of asking DONORS for money, a community can make its own money and donors can contribute to a healthy local economy as a participant rather than a funder
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1:04:44 Debt mirrors in NATURE as the seeds, plants, trees, flowers, roots, soil, water, nutrients, pollinators, worms, rock and minerals - WE ARE IN DEBT TO NATURE - NATURE GIVES US SURPLUS
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1:03:51 By getting people used to DEBT being SAVINGS, they can focus on the REAL things that matter
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1:02:29 The national debt is a historical record of the cumulative money that a government spent dollars than it took out which were transformed into US Treasuries
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1:00:18 We should not even use the term borrowing
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56:48 The USA borrows money from China IS NOT TRUE. China converts its dollars from selling stuff to the USA to a US treasury bond which earns them interest rtaher than just sitting in a checking account
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56:12 When the Community Treasury spends more of its money, people in the community have more to spend
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53:36 A community can set up a CONTRIBUTION which everyone agrees to pay in the currency issued by the community issuer 53:48 Therefore a Debt Free Currency System really means a COMMUNITY TRIBUTE money system where the debt is a contribution to the community, payable in the currency of the issuer 55:45 A community can set up its own CENTRAL BANK that sets the interest rate at zero for the money in the community
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53:04 Money is the debt of the issuer
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50:32 Currency is the governments I.O.U. 52:04 When the government gets its tax, it no longer has the debt so it burns the currency which was an I.O.U.
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48:52 Example of a Community Currency
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48:37 Money is an I.O.U.
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46:45 Money is an ACCOUNTING DEVICE and it always has two sides
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44:17 Private Balance + Government Balance + Foreign Balance = 0 (I-S)+(G-T)+(X-M)=0
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40:40 UMKC created its own currency - the Buckaroo 40:42 Students had to pay buckaroos to get their grades
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39:59 DEFICIT is a word designed to shock and frighten
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37:34 A government DEFICIT is that a government is putting IN more than it is taking out
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36:10 If a government can create money, why is it in DEBT?
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34:59 A government does not need money. It needs citizens to need money so that they can pay taxes
Governments FORCE PEOPLE TO NEED MONEY
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34:47 Taxes drive demand for a currency
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34:12 taxes are imposed by a government that is only payable in their currency and they make a law that puts you in jail if you do not pay their tax
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33:33 If government creates money, we do we pay taxes?
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32:59 Joan Robinson, we study economics so as not to be fooled by economists
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32:12 Money is not a REAL resource. Money is a too invented by political authorities to organise and mobilise real resources
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30:38 Money is not a physical object. It is a UNIT OF MEASURE
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28:08 UMKC is one kilometre from our location in Kansas - literally at the end of 53rd street where we live :-)
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26:30 Bernard Lietaer - founder of the EURO
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25:38 MMT changes our view on the nature of money
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23:10 MMT is not a new system or theory. It simply explains what happens today.
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22:32 In early colonial times, once taxes are paid in paper money, the money was burned
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18:59 Warren Mosler 19:49 Government does not need dollars, citizens need dollars 20:18 Warren is not an economist - he is not trying to defend economic theory - he is a financial trader watching the operation of money
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18:47 Stephanie Skelton was sceptical at the start too
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18:17 A government who creates a currency does not need to tax its citizens to get dollars. 18:25 Currency issuers spend first before they tax - they do not use tax to spend
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16:08 During the war, the USA moved 50% of the nations production to WAR. It woudl take a simple political decison to move 50% of the nations production to peace if peace is as profitable as war
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14:22 The government spends money into existence
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11:42 For a currency issuer, funding the money is NEVER the problem
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11:11 :-) Mathew Forstater University of Missouri Kansas City (UMKC)
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9:31 Jared Bernstein fails to answer this question coherently. "I dont get it" !!
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9:16 Why are we borrowing in a currency that we print ourselves?
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7:19 We wont run out of money
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6:48 Federal Government Issues Currency
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6:27 Modern Monetary Theory (MMT)
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Stephanie KELTON Stony Brook University
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5:49 95% of the problems with policy is the language used to describe the policy
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5:35 Rename Debt clock as savings clock Use of COHERENT Words instead of INCOHERENT Words
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5:27 National Debt is an ASSET Place HUMANS on a Balance Sheet and treat them as assets
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5:17 Let us evolve beyond the BATTLE FOR IDEAS through Dialogue
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4:28 Let us create the money at community level
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- Debt mirrors in NATURE as the seeds, plants, trees, flowers, roots, soil, water, nutrients, pollinators, worms, rock and minerals - WE ARE IN DEBT TO NATURE - NATURE GIVES US SURPLUS
- Stephanie KELTON Stony Brook University
- MMT changes our view on the nature of money
- When the Community Treasury spends more of its money, people in the community have more to spend
- 1:30:05 We can create an ERGODIC Neighbourhood
- Using BANK MONEY to create a mutual fund at low interest rates to pay off PREDATORY LOANS at high interest rates
- volunteers
- Joan Robinson, we study economics so as not to be fooled by economists
- DEFICIT is a word designed to shock and frighten
- The dollar bill is a debt of the federal reserve
- Taxation creates Currency
- We wont run out of money
- 1:28:29 Government spends by creating money and when it taxes, the government destroys money
- Selling Treasuries is NOT BORROWING
- 1996
- 1:24:14 We can organise our resources such that it can attract the money that regenerates across all types of capital and all types of nature
- Currency is the governments I.O.U.
- USA does not borrow money from China
- Our greatest existential threat is not CLIMATE CHANGE it is MIND CHANGE which leads to a CHANGE IN LANGUAGE
- trees
- SURPLUS is a word designed to calm
- 1:23:30 How can a neighbourhood become a local food PRODUCER evolving into a PROSUMER
- barter
- USA moved 50% of production to War
- Therefore a Debt Free Currency System really means a COMMUNITY TRIBUTE money system where the debt is a contribution to the community, payable in the currency of the issuer
- Banks DO NOT make loans from deposits. They make MONEY from LOANS.
- If government creates money, we do we pay taxes?
- L. Randall Wray - Levy Institute of Economics
- shop
- BATTLE FOR IDEAS THROUGH DIALOGUE
- 1:21:54 If a community moved to a WELLNESS model rather than an ILLNESS model, it would generate millions of dollars in saved resources 1:21:54 If a community moved to a PREVENTION model rather than a CURE Model, it would generate millions of dollars in resources
- uneducation
- gift economy
- Predators
- 1:26:14 Marlborough can become a Commons
- National Debt as Asset
- Instead of asking DONORS for money, a community can make its own money and donors can contribute to a healthy local economy as a participant rather than a funder
- Warren Mosler
- Co-operation
- UMKC created its own currency - the Buckaroo
- If a government can create money, why is it in DEBT?
- Corporations price hike during shortages to make more profits
- education
- Currency issuers spend first before they tax - they do not use tax to spend
- Federal Reserves are on the Liability side of its balance sheet
- Money is the debt of the issuer
- Humans on Balance Sheet as Assets
- US Treasuries and Cash are both USA assets - not liabilities
- Your checking account is your bank's I.O.U. It is their liability that they owe you.
- The norm for a currency issuer is to be in DEFICIT so that people can SAVE the currency
- 1:33:38 When there is new EVIDENCE, we CHANGE OUR MIND
- shamans
- carers
- public transport
- Bernard Lietaer - founder of the EURO
- Energy
- The debt we leave to our grandchildren is THEIR FINANCIAL WEALTH
- Modern Monetary Theory (MMT)
- The US Dollar is a US Tax Credit
- A government who creates a currency does not need to tax its citzens to get dollars.
- What is the Economy of Marlborough (for example)
- employment
- Warren is not an economist - he is not trying to defend economic theory - he is a financial trader watching the operation of money
- informal time trading
- Governments FORCE PEOPLE TO NEED MONEY
- Government does not need dollars, citizens need dollars
- When the government gets its tax, it no longer has the debt so it burns the currency which was an I.O.U.
- Everybody agrees to contribute to the community and the currency with which this is tracked is the I.O.U.
- 1:27:32 A Community Bill of Rights
- credit unions
- Food
- Private Balance + Government Balance + Foreign Balance = 0 (I-S)+(G-T)+(X-M)=0
- Taxes drive demand for a currency
- UMKC is one kilometre from our location in Kansas - literally at the end of 53rd street where we live :-)
- Jared Bernstein does not know why the government borrows its own money
- Coherent Words
- When tax is paid
- business
- Mathew Forstater University of Missouri Kansas City (UMKC)
- water
- Predatory Debt
- MMT is not a new system or theory. It simply explains what happens today.
- 1:24:34 Money is not the scare resource. Money is the organising tool that mobilises people and tangible resources to manifest a vision
- timebanks
- Demurrage
- Every dollar spent is received by someone as income
- Federal Government Issues Currency
- Water
- The currency is a credit and debit relationship
- People
- banks
- The true constraints are the resources that are available (and if those resources will co-create together for the good of the WHOLE).
- Land
- The debt clock might as well say Private Sector Wealth
- A community can set up its own CENTRAL BANK that sets the interest rate at zero for the money in the community
- parks
- unemployment
- 1:22:23 How much UNUSED RESOURCES are there in Marlborough Neighbourhood? How more efficaciously can they be used?
- The national debt is a historical record of the cumulative money that a government spent dollars than it took out which were transformed into US Treasuries
- A government does not need money. It needs citizens to need money so that they can pay taxes
- Money is not a REAL resource. Money is a too invented by political authorities to organise and mobilise real resources
- Stephanie Skelton was sceptical at the start too
- 1:23:52 What does Donut Economics look like in Marlborough Neighbourhood?
- The government spends money into existence
- Community Shadows
- 1:23:06 How can we get a neighbourhood to operate at full capacity (strengths) while minimising to its collective shadows
- Why are we borrowing in a currency that we print ourselves?
- taxes are imposed by a government that is only payable in their currency and they make a law that puts you in jail if you do not pay their tax
- 1:21:44 By identifying WASTE - we can identify capacity to create VALUE for ALL
- Community Treasury Deficit increases community members savings and spending power
- Rename Debt clock as savings clock
- factories
- In early colonial times, once taxes are paid in paper money, the money was burned
- Money is an I.O.U.
- 1:25:22 First comes an AGREEMENT by members of the neighbourhood to co-operate and then they agree to use a mechanism called money to mobilise resources
- Employees
- A bank officer ACQUIRES the loan in order to charge interest on it
- For a currency issuer, funding the money is NEVER the problem
- transporttation
- By getting people used to DEBT being SAVINGS, they can focus on the REAL things that matter
- Students had to pay buckaroos to get their grades
- Money is not a physical object. It is a UNIT OF MEASURE
- technolgy
- Healthcare
- 1:22:36 Could A community Association get a Community Banking Licence? 1:22:38 Could a local Credit Union be a consortium partner and issue more money into the system to develop the entire wealth of the Neighbourhood
- A Bank LOAN is an interest attached to your own ability to pay back something that did not exist before you borrowed it
- A community can set up a CONTRIBUTION which everyone agrees to pay in the currency issued by the community issuer
- Employers
- interns
- Move 50% of production to peace if peace is as profitable as war
- The currency itself is the governments debt
- It's really a FREE MONEY system - Stef Kuypers is right!!
- Chores are taxes
- create the money
- Example of a Community Currency
- When you repay a loan, THE MONEY DISAPPEARS
- it no longer has teh debt
- Money is an ACCOUNTING DEVICE and it always has two sides
- Social Entrpreneurs
- 95% of problems is WORDS
- Co-creation
- A government DEFICIT is that a government is putting IN more than it is taking out
- playground
- community centres
- We should not even use the term borrowing
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A FairShares Commons
Fair Shares Commons is a process as well as being a legal entity
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They open up new possibilities for building a decentralised social Semantic Web of Knowledge.
QUERY What are the 20204 tools that have caught up with the vision
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Users run self-sovereign Knowledge interoperability hubs within their own browsers. They can connect to collaborate with other
FOR This is a very e very exciting development towards VALUE CREATION in the COMMONS
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Intertwingularity: Linked Data meets Linked Text
QUERY Is there a taxonomy for data, information, insightr, knowledge, ontology, wisdom, cosmic knowing etc?
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Our focus is not on codifying knowledge, but on creating opportunities for articulations grounded in integrated semantic web research
EXTENSION We would love to use these methods as a way to co-create Digital Dialogues such that members of a Dialogue group can synchronously and asynchronously annotate what is going in beneath their words and language
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Knowledge Presentation vs RePresentation
FOR David Bohm spoke to this deeply as a way to show that when people speak, they do so from re-representations which are slightly different to that which they heard This is how communication becomes INCOHERENT
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Experience the Web: as an extension of your Mind
QUESTION How has AI began to do this already?
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Without users having to think about it
DISSENT Surely, the point of humanising text is that humans actually THINK about it rather than THOUGHTS put in by others?
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his enhances our ability to consult the ‘Common Record’, improving its growth and quality.
For COMMON RECORD - ties in with the idea of the Commons as part of ancient wisdom traditions such as Brehon Law
and more modern version of Commons such as MIcjhel Bouwens P2P Foundation
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adjacent knowledge.
For Adjacent Knowledge
We have been introduced to Stuart Kauffman's work on The Adjacent Possible which feels related
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Authoring Tool for Thought, which helps individuals in augmenting their tacit awareness , through developing, sharing and collaborating on
According to David Bohm 1991 paper, 'Thought is the Problem"
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in a form that can be shared in decentralised emergent social knowledge networks.
POTENTIAL The potential is for a record of COLLECTIVE INSIGHT
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we are seeking a paradigm shift away from knowledge exchange facilitated by machine “understanding” to one where human understanding plays a more significant role in the creation and exchange of semantic addressable knowledge across decentralised knowledge networks and communities
It also feels important that human MISUNDERSTANDING can act as a catalyst for COMPASSION
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- David Bohm Thought is the Problem Dialogue - a proposal
- 2024 tools?
- Taxonomy for data
- Thinks rather than thoughts
- AI
- Brehon Law P2P Foundation
- Dialogic Annotation Digital Dialogues
- COLLECTIVE INSIGHT
- Value Creation in the Commons
- Representaton David Bohm Incoherence
- MISUNDERSTANDING COMPASSION
- The Adjacent Possible by Stuart Kauffman
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Western religious and philosophical traditions dating back to the 12th century
Prior to the 12th centuries Celtic Monasteries were doing this in the 6th century
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industrial religion
Beyond Industrial Religion Instead of Industrial Religion - we can choose a new phrase wch has no incoherent baggage of 'industry' or 'religion' which have had their negative realities
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the Middle Ages saw productive yields, especially in agriculture, grow at unprecedented rates.
Johnson Su We are planning to use Johnson Su technologies to restore soil as a regenerative being GIen Ương & Food Production Process Gien knows about a food product system that has a massive output
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the meaning, value, and use of work.
FOR Eirunomics intends to VALUE meaning, work and values
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manual labor came to be understood not only as necessary for the maintenance of the body but also for the salvation of the soul.
PROFIT When did profit come into the equation?
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kind of alternative socioeconomic organization to the emerging feudal relations of production, a movement that had begun to draw the people back to village life, beginning with Pachomius’s original successes in the deserted villages of Tabannese and Pbow.
BioRegions This is now a fancy term called BioRegions
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While the monk’s physical labors initially were deemed a matter of penitence and a means of resisting acedia, the fact that the significance of work was already integrated into the very practice of spiritual life evinced a consciousness of the laboring body far removed from the commonplace
Glendalough IN the 6th century, Saint Kelvin founded a monastery at which there were hundreds of clerics and thousands of lay workers surrounding the monastery
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Labor’s meaning came to be accepted as nothing more than an inevitable and inescapable mortal process within base nature, a symbol of enslavement."
Insight This is what humans are NOT on the balance sheet. Humans are the PRODUCT that is sold in an organisation. All lavbour costs are added to with PROFIT Quantum Balance Sheet For this willing, placing humans as an asset on the balance sheet transforms labour into an ASSET rather than as an expense
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ideological conception of labor lowly construed as mere toil,
Insight Abrahamic Religions also places the human as an original sinner Demiurge This sounds like a Demiurge concept
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The social body was thus marked by a severe and tightly maintained division between a small fraction of a propertied class free from the need to labor and the rest, “free” or unfree, whose lives were consumed by laboring for another.
PRACTICE This makes the COMMONS a very important social structure
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Thus, the laboring body qua labor always already harbors all the seeds for its immortality, for producing the perfection of life for itself, which is the qualitative perfection of eternal life
Quantum Balance Sheet This is the idea we have of a Quantum Balance Sheet which acts as a collective consciousness manifesting process for tangible and intangible values for a collective - beyond the power and control of the shareholders - hence the need for a Fair Shares Commons
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illuminate and reinvest in its capacities for the infinite and eternal."
Eirunomics In service to the Divine - in whatever form Divine acts on the human bio psychosocial awareness
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abandoned Roman villages
History The roman army did not conquer Ireland Comment The Roman Army conquered Ireland through the Roman Catholic Church
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pre-Benedictine communities,
Benedictines Benedictines have been in Ireland since the 12th century PRE-Benedictines These were the Druid classes who lives as a Commons and who set down their civil stature according to BREHON LAW which was written down by 6th and 7th century monks in Ireland
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Christian monastic communities.
Christian Monastic Communites
This gives Ireland a pivotal role as our Gaelic ancestors developed a form of Celtic Spirituality which according to some authors 'saved Europe from teh dark ages'.
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salvific
Etymology of Salvific
"tending to save or make secure," 1590s, from Latin salvificus "saving," from salvus "uninjured, in good health, safe"
We use the term Undivided Wholeness as reminded to us by David Bohm
Gaelic IN Gaelic, the term we use is Sabhailte
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- commons
- 6th Century Celtic Monasteries
- profit
- Humans not on balance sheet Quantum Balance Sheet
- Quantum Balance Sheet
- Original Sin
- Gien Wong Food Production System
- Roman conquest of Ireland
- Bioregions
- Celtic Spirituality
- Valuing Meaning and Work and Values
- Pre Benedictine Brehon Law Druids
- Salvific Etymology Sabhailte
- Johnson Su
- Divine
- demiurge
- beyond industrial religion
- Glendalough
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