for - Deep Humanity - individual / collective gestalt - Ernest Becker - Anthropological birth of the psychic self - timebound - symbolic - organizing principle for sensations and perceptions - Progress and Freedom - self / other duality

for - symbolosphere - individual / collective gestalt - Deep Humanity - quote

quote - self as social construction - our consciousness of self is a social construction. Symbolic self-representation is built from the outside in, which means our identities are, in essence, social products.

comment - good alignment and validation for Deep Humanity's individual collective gestalt

for - key insight - global movement requirements - new organising system - indyweb /Indranet - people-centered - interpersonal - individual collective gestalt - a foundational idea of indyweb / Indranet epistemology - Deep Humanity - epistemological foundation of indyweb / Indranet

• The world cannot wait
• for us to learn or know everything that we need to know
• for bringing about purposeful system change
• towards desired and broadly shared aspirations
• for a more
  • equitable,
  • just, and
  • ecologically flourishing
• world.
• The key question before us is
  • how to become transformation catalysts
  • that work with numerous associated
    • initiatives and
    • leaders
  • to form
    • purposeful and
    • action-oriented
  • transformation systems
  • that build on the collective strength inherent
  • in the many networks already working towards transformation.
• Doing that requires new approaches
• to organizing for transformation
• where multiple initiatives
  • connect,
  • cohere, and
  • amplify
• their
  • individual and
  • collective
• transformative actions

Comment - indyweb / Indranet is ideally suited for this - seeing the mention of individual and collective in a sentence surfaced the new Deep Humanity concept of individual collective gestalt that is intrinsic to the epistemological foundation of the Indyweb / Indranet - This is reflected in the words to describe the Indyweb / Indranet as people-centered and interpersonal

for - individual or collective behavior - slime mold - prisoner's dilemma and slime molds - slime molds - me vs we - me vs we - slime molds - adjacency - slime molds - me vs we - multicellular organisms

• quote
  • You have the slime mold and you put a piece of oat which the Slime wants to eat and
  • it starts to crawl towards that oat and then
  • What you can do is you can take a razor blade and just cut off that leading edge
    • the little piece of it that's moving towards the oat
  • Now as soon as you've done that
  • that little piece is a new individual and
  • it has a decision to make
    • it can go in and get the oat and exploit that resource and not have to share it with this giant mass of faizaram that's back here or
    • it can first merge back and connect back to the original mass
      • because they can reconnect quite easily and then they go get the oat
  • Now the thing is that the the payoff Matrix looks quite different because
  • when it's by itself it can do this calculus of "well, it's better for me to go get the food instead of and not share it with this other thing"
  • but as soon as you connect, that payoff Matrix changes because there is no me and you
    • there's just we and at that point it doesn't make any sense to the fact that
    • you can't defect against yourself so that payoff table of actions and consequences looks quite different
    • because some of the actions change the number of players and
    • that's really weird

adjacency between - slime molds - me vs we -multicellular organisms - social superorganism and societal breakdown - adjacency statement - A simple slime mold experiment could make an excellent BEing journey - to demonstrate how multicellular beings operate through higher order organizational principle of collaboration that - keeps cells aligned with a common purpose, - but that each cellular unit also comes equipped with - an evolutionarily inherited legacy of individual control system - normally, the evolutionarily later and higher order collaborative signaling that keeps the multi-cellular being unified overrides the lower order, evolutionarily more primitive autonomous cellular control system - however, pathological conditions can occur that disrupt the collaborative signaling, causing an override condition, and individual cells to revert back to their more primitive legacy survival system - The same principles happen at a societal level. - In a healthy, well-functioning society, the collaborative signaling keeps the society together - but if it is severely disrupted, social order breakdown ensues and - individual human beings and small groups resort to individual survival behavior

• for: individual/collective gestalt - ignorance of

• comment

  • This is really the equivalent of the ignorance of the individual/collective gestalt within Stop Reset Go's Deep Humanity framework.
  • When we don't realize the profound intertwingularity of the individual with the collective, and ignore the individual pole, it results in alienation.

• for: Me2We, individual/ collective gestalt

• for: individual/collective gestalt, social tipping points

• for: social superorganism - vs human multicellular being, social superorganism, Homni, major evolutionary transition, MET, MET in Individuality, Indyweb, Indranet, Indyweb/Indranet, CCE cumulative cultural evolution, symmathesy, Gyuri Lajos, individual/collective gestalt, interwingled sensemaking, Deep Humanity, DH, meta crisis, meaning crisis, polycrisis

• comment

  • True, there is no physical cohesion that binds human beings together into a larger organism, but there is another dimension - informational cohesion.
  • This informational cohesion expresses itself in cumulative cultural evolution. Even this very discussion they are having is an example of that
  • The social superorganism is therefore composed of an informational body and not a physical one and one can think of its major mentations as collective, consensual ideas such as popular memes, movements, governmental or business actions and policies
  • I slept on this and this morning, realized how salient Adam's question was to my own work
    • The comments here build and expand upon what I thought yesterday (my original annotations)
    • The main connections to my own sense-making work are:
      • Within our specific human species, the deep entanglement between self and other (the terminology that our Deep Humanity praxis terms the "individual / collective gestalt")
      • The Deep Humanity / SRG claim that the concurrent meaning / meta / poly crisis may be an evolutionary test foreshadowing the next possible Major Evolutionary Transition in Individuality.<br /> - https://jonudell.info/h/facet/?max=100&expanded=true&user=stopresetgo&exactTagSearch=true&any=MET+in+Individuality
        • As Adam notes, collective consciousness may be more a metaphorical rather than a literal so a social superorganism, (one reference refers to it as Homni
          • https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20140701-the-superorganism-engulfing-earth
        • may be metaphorical only as this higher order individual lacks the physical signaling system to create a biological coherence that, for instance, an animal body possesses.
        • Nevertheless, the informational connections do exist that bind individual humans together and it is not trivial.
        • Indeed, this is exactly what has catapulted our species into modernity where our cumulative cultural evolution (CCE) has defined the concurrent successes and failures of our species. Modernity's meaning / meta / polycrisis and progress traps are a direct result of CCE.
        • Humanity's intentions and its consequences, both intended and unintended are what has come to shape the entire trajectory of the biosphere. So the impacts of human CCE are not trivial at all. Indeed, a paper has been written proposing that human information systems could be the next Major System Transition (MST) that could lead to another future MET that melds biotic and abiotic
          • https://jonudell.info/h/facet/?max=100&expanded=true&user=stopresetgo&exactTagSearch=true&any=MST+-+information
          • or https://hyp.is/go?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.frontiersin.org%2Farticles%2F10.3389%2Ffevo.2021.711556&group=world
        • This circles back to Adam's question and what has just emerged for me is this question:
          • Is it possible that we could evolve in some kind of hybrid direction where we are biologically still separate individuals BUT deeply intertwingled informationally through CCE and something like the theoretical Indyweb/Indranet which is an explicit articulation of our theoretical informational connectivity?
          • In other words, could "collective consciousness be explicitly defined in terms of an explicit, externalized information system reflecting intertwingled individual/collective learning?
      • The Indyweb / Indranet informational laminin protein / connective tissue that informationally binds individuals to others in an explicit, externalized means of connecting the individual informational nodes of the social superorganism, giving it "collective consciousness" (whereas prior to Indyweb / Indranet, this informational laminin/connective tissue was not systematically developed so all informational connection, for example of the existing internet, is incomplete and adhoc)
      • The major trajectory paths that global or localized cultural populations take can become an indication of the behavior of collective consciousness.
        • Voting, both formal and informal is an expression of consensus leading to consensual behavior and the consensual behavior could be a reflection of Homni's collective consciousness

• insight

  • While socially annotating this video, a few insights occurred after last night's sleep:
    • Hypothes.is lacks timebound sequence granularity. Indyweb / Indranet has this feature built in and we need it for social annotation. Why? All the information within this particular annotation cannot be machine sorted into a time series. As the social annotator, I actually have to point out which information came first, second, etc. This entire comment, for instance was written AFTER the original very short annotation. Extra tags were updated to reflect the large comment.
    • I gained a new realization of the relationship and intertwingularity of individual / collective learning while writing and reflecting on this social annotation. I think it's because of Adam's question that really revolves around MET of Individuality and the 3 conversant's questioning of the fluid and fuzzy boundary between "self" and "other"
      • Namely, within Indyweb / Indranet there are two learning pillars that make up the entirety of external sensemaking:
        • the first is social annotation of the work of others
        • the second is our own synthesis of what we learned from others (ie. our social annotations)
      • It is the integration of these two pillars that is the sum of our sensemaking parts. Social annotations allow us to sample the edge of the sensemaking work of others. After all, when we ingest one specific information source of others, it is only one of possibly many. Social annotations reflect how our whole interacts with their part. However, we may then integrate that peripheral information of the other more deeply into our own sensemaking work, and that's where we must have our own central synthesizing Indyweb / Indranet space to do that work.
      • It is this interplay between different poles that constitute CCE and symmathesy, mutual learning.
      • adjacency between
        • Indyweb / Indranet name space
        • Indranet
        • automatic vs manual references / citations
      • adjacency statement
        • Oh man, it's so painful to have to insert all these references and citations when Indranet is designed to do all this! A valuable new meme just emerged to express this:
          • Pain between the existing present situation and the imagined future of the same si the fuel that drives innovation.

• quote: Gien

  • Pain between an existing present situation and an imagined, improved future is the fuel that drives innovation.
• date: 2023, Nov 8

• for: individual / collective denial

• summary

  • when people are individually conditioned to be
    • in denial because they cannot deal with the pain and
    • are passive
  • this supports large scale historical denial

• for: victim AND perpetrator, situatedness, perspectival knowing, AND, not OR, abused-abuser cycle, individual /collective gestalt, Hamas Israel war 2023

• quote

  • It's hard for people to understand that you can be victim and perpetrator at the same time
  • It's a very simple fact impossible to accept for most people
• author: Yuval Noah Harari
• date: Sept 2023

• for: Deep Humanity, individual / collective gestalt

• for: individual / collective gestalt, Deep Humanity, superorganism, multi-level superorganism, major evolutionary transition, MET, cognitive light cone, umwelt

• paraphrase

  • a human being certainly has a light cone that does not belong to any of its pieces (ie cells)
  • at the conscious level of a human being, we have
    • goals
    • preferences
    • hopes
    • dreams
    • narratives
  • humans occupy spaces that do not belong to our individual cells, tissues or organs
    • those smaller parts work in
      • physiological space
      • transcriptional space
      • biomolecular space
  • When we were an embryo we worked in morphogenetic space

• comment

  • Since MET implies that these smaller structures of which we are constituted like
    • cells and
    • sub-cellular structures like mitochondria
  • were descended from individual organisms long ago in deep history, those contemporary proxies are occupying their own umwelt

• for: quote, quote - Michael Levin, quote - multicellular organism, quote individual/collective gestalt, individual/collective gestalt
• quote
  • If one zooms in, you find out that we are all in fact collective intelligence
• author: Michael Levin
• date: 2022
• source:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLiHLDrOTW8

• for: superorganism, multi-level superorganism, collective intelligence, individual-collective gestalt, Michael Levin,

• title: Cell Intelligence in Physiological and Morphological Spaces

• author: Michael Levin
• date 2022
• comment
  • This is a talk on collective intelligence in unconventional spaces

• for: symmathesy, mutual learning, mutual transcontextual learning, individual collective entanglement, Indyweb, Indraweb, Indynet, Indranet

• definition: symmathesy

  • mutual transcontextual learning in living systems

• comment

  • symmathesy lay at the heart of the Indyweb and Indraweb

• for: symmathesy, mutual learning, mutual transcontextual learning, individual collective entanglement, Indyweb, Indraweb, Indynet, Indranet

• definition: symmathesy

  • mutual transcontextual learning

• comment

  • symmathesy lay at the heart of the Indyweb and Indraweb

• for: open source, indyweb, open learning commons, radical collaboration, individual / collective entanglement
• paraphrase
• quote
  • to live for the common good is a very good purpose but
  • purpose is a gift and the purpose of our life here on Earth is to change the environment which we met for something better because there is always an opportunity for something better
• author
  • Obiora Ike
• quote
  • I would urge us all to be in a learning mode and
  • we when we know things to be in a teaching mode also
  • that is propagating what we know
  • sharing it with others and
  • making this knowledge open source for the world and
  • especially to help train a young generation of new leaders who are going to be the ones that grapple with these problems
• author
  • Jeffrey Sachs

• for: progress trap, sense of lack, the lack project, collective lack project, individual lack project
• key insight
  • progress, and the shadow side, the progress trap
  • is the collective lack project, that corresponds to the individual's lack project

• for: entanglement, individual/collective entanglement

• for: collective action, bottom-up, bottom-up movement, M2W, individual/collective
• Civil society is the sector where the power of We the People ultimately and properly resides.
• Consequently, in the fully functioning Ecological Civilization,
  • government and business sectors must be
  • creations of and
  • accountable to
  • a civil society of people who embrace
    • the rights and
    • responsibilities
  • of their citizenship at all system levels from - the local to - the global.
• We can be citizens of only one locality.
  • But we are all citizens of Earth—and the many levels in between.
• This must be acknowledged by any truly democratic system of self-governance.

• "gestation rewires your brain in fundamental ways um you it rewire it primes you for caretaking as a as a mother in a way which is far more visceral and far it's it's pre-rational it's it's immensely transformative experience and it's permanent you know once you've been rewired for mummy brain you'd never really go back um and that from the point of view of raising a child that matters um because when after a baby is born it's you know as winnicott once said you know there's no such thing as a baby there's only a baby and someone there's a a baby doesn't exist as an independent entity until it's some years some years into its life arguably quite a few years into its life um and what I would say about artificial wounds is that you may be you may think that what you're doing is creating a baby without the misery of gestation but what you're doing in practice is creating a baby without creating a mother because a pregnancy doesn't just create a baby it also creates a mother"

• Comment

  • This is alluding to our altricial nature, which makes us human INTERbeings from before birth
  • https://jonudell.info/h/facet/?max=100&expanded=true&user=stopresetgo&exactTagSearch=true&tag=altricial
  • We are socially entangled even before our birth

• Comment
  • this statement epitomizes the crux of the matter
  • that demonstrates the entanglement between
    • a collective of (bottom-up) individuals and
    • top-down, system level actors
  • This is why the often-repeated mantra "individual actions don't matter" is not accurate
    • the contribution of individual actions DO matter, but only if it is supported by:
      • policy
      • ubiquitous 1.5C infrastructure
      • affordable 1.5C technologies and services
    • There is a MASS of people wanting to make the change
      • but that cannot happen unless it is
        • behaviorally and
        • economically pragmatic to do so
  • the real question to ask
    • in order to mobilize a bottom-up 1.5C lifestyle shift is
    • where are the leverage points for bottom-up actors (we individuals) to impact the top-down actors?

• comment
• this is an example of how granular social learning, the evolution of consciousness and entangled and individual and collective learning takes place in a mundane way
  • another person relays an idea to us
  • it resonates with us by connecting to some point
  • in our salience landscape
  • in this case, caused Nora to look up the word "insidious" that appeared in the words of her daughter
  • and caused her to think of the meaning as something that starts out small and apparently harmless,
  • but gathering and combining in an unseen way to become dangerous

!- comment : autonomy and symbiosis entangled - this goes to the heart of Deep Humanity, the entangled individual / collective

!- mitigating : tragedy of the commons - Elinor Ostrom's design principles - It's often a cooperation problem - it is a social dilemma pitting individual vs collective interest

!- integrating : individual and collective wellbeing - David Loy offers a clear explanation of the entangled nature of self-and-other - we begin the journey of self improvement due to problems in our personal lives, that is the motivation - but as we continue the journey, we may discover that it is our separation from others and from nature herself that is the cause of our dis-satisfaction - David quotes Joanna Macy, who said that "the world has a role to play in our awakening"

!- limitations of : current presentation technology !- question : why are people tired of powerpoint presentation technology? - possibly because it is not truly interactive and is simplex (one direction) communication - an alternative technology model is offered by Indyweb, which is based on the people-centered, interpersonal ecosystem founded on Deep Humanity principles of the individual/collective entanglement - The Indyweb /Deep Humanity model articulates a new language that is more aligned to person without a self: it recognizes the human being (noun) as a process (verb) related to the entangled individual / collective

!- for : individual / collective gestalt - In Deep Humanity praxis, the individual / collective gestalt is fundamental - the individual is enmeshed and entangled with culture before birth - culture affects individual and individual affects culture in entangled feedback loops

Set of levers and leverage points identified by the authors.

Creating an open public network for radical collaboration, which we will call the Indyweb, can facilitate bottom-up engagement to both educate the public on these levers as well as be an application space to crowdsource the public to begin sharing local instantiations of these levers.

An Indyweb that is in the form of an interpersonal space in which each individual is the center of their data universe, and in which they can see all the data from their diverse digital interactions across the web and in real life all consolidated in one place offers a profound possibility for both individual and collective learning. Such an Indyweb would bring the relational nature of the human being, the so called "human INTERbeing" alive, and would effortlessly emerge the human INTERbeing explicitly as the natural form merely from its daily use. One can immediately see the relational nature of individual learning, how it is so entangled with collective learning, and would be reinforced with each social interaction on the web or in real life. This is what is needed to track both individual inner transformation (IIT) as well as collective outer transformation (COT) towards a rapid whole system change mobilization. Accelerated by a program of open access Deep Humanity (DH) knowledge that plumbs the very depth of what it is to be human, this can accelerate the indirect drivers of change and provide practical tools for granular monitoring of both IIT and COT.

Could we use AI to search for levers and leverage points?

Gamification will play a critical role to tap into the human psychology that will encourage proactive action. Bend-the-Curve is the glocal game proposed as a way to mobilize ordinary citizens aggregate community scale response teams.

As part of this gamification, a private Transform application within the public and open Indyweb can facilitate individual inner transformation, synchronize that to individual outer (behavior) transformation and synchronize that to collective inner and outer transformation at the respective community collective scale and finally aggregating all community impacts, to the global collective transformation scale. Built in data privacy of the Indyweb insures that everyone can contribute data to the aggregator in a completely anonymous way. All of this is designed to operationalize Donella Meadow's insight that inner transformation of worldviews, paradigms and value systems is the most powerful of all leverage points.

Keshmirian, A., Bahrami, B., & Deroy, O. (2021, April 27). Many Heads Are More Utilitarian Than One. https://doi.org/10.31234/osf.io/7e3dc

Bordalo, P., Coffman, K. B., Gennaioli, N., & Shleifer, A. (2020). Older People are Less Pessimistic about the Health Risks of Covid-19 (Working Paper No. 27494; Working Paper Series). National Bureau of Economic Research. https://doi.org/10.3386/w27494

It would be very interesting to discuss this and the surrounding passages in light of the armed standoff that occurred in either Oregon or Washington about a year ago regarding the use of federal lands for grazing purposes by the local ranchers.