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NO! You didn't get me because (changes Framing to another Framed and draws another arrow outside the bigger box, connecting to it) what's outside here still is… what is framing that? You cannot have this… You can't have it as a focal object. It is mysterious. It is phenomenologically mysterious. James pointed to this in a wonderful distinction between the I and the Me (I: Me).
for - adjacency - I-me relationship - William James - subject-object dualism - experience vs conceptualisation of experience - finger pointing to the moon - subject / I am phenomenologically mysterious - Indyweb annotation vs Innotation - object-of-study focal shift - definition - potential vs kinetic adjacencies
adjacency - between - I-me relationship - William James - subject-object dualism - the eye cannot see itself - self consciousness - experience vs conceptualisation of experience - Indyweb annotation vs Innotation - object-of-study focal shift - definition potential adjacencies - definition kinetic adjacencies - adjacency relationship - William James's I-me relationship is about the paradox of self consciousness - modern humans distinguish themselves through excelling in cognitive abilities - but what happens when we turn this cognitive abilities onto ourselves? - Self consciousness is what results - reasoning about the reasoner - Just as the eye cannot truly see itself, the reasoner who reasons about him/her self cannot really do so because the "I" is NOT really the same as the "me" - the subject is not the object, - the act of framing is not the frame - the qualia is NOT the same as the idea that represents the qualia - the moon is not the finger pointing to the moon - hence the I, the act of framing the subject is phenomenologically mysterious - In contrast, in indyweb, we can replace annotation with Innotation, an inline version of annotation - This is because of the recursive nature of learning of ideas - When we digest an idea, that has an externalised (re)presentation, and it triggers the emergence of a new idea, - We can capture the newly inspired idea a an inline Innotation instead of a side bar annotation. - The reason why we would do this is because this is more homeomorphic to how knowledge context switches its role - from an active new insight - to an existing cultural artefact / object that can be digested by another mind - The difference is the idea - as a spontaneous emergent, embodied, enactive real-time , LIVING experience, which then becomes, post experience, an idea that is - a DEAD cultural artefact that is ready to be digested and potentially evoke a new strong LIVING response in another consciousness - The idea as a linguistically constructed cultural artefact is DEAD - until it interacts with another consciousness, - and at such time, the cultural artefact can deliver upon itz intended promise and potential, and trigger a LIVING learned experience. - Innotation converts the once LIVING experience of the idea at the moment of birth / Inception to the form of existing, timebound knowledge test to do the same in the future, when new minds may stumble upon it - Learning from linguistic cultural artefacts is thus - the act of conversion of - potential adjacencies into - kinetic adjacencies
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if Consciousness were to go floating around how the hell do you explain how it can see anything without eyes
for - Youtube - Techdenkers: Anil Seth - Exploring the Possibility of Artificcial consciousness - out of body experience - Anil Seth - good point - how do you explain seeing without eyes?
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once I began to see in 3D, I realized how wrong I had been. My theoretical knowledge of stereopsis did not prepare me in the least for the experience of seeing in stereo. Dr. Sacks must have suspected that stereopsis would provide me with an astonishing new way of seeing, one that I could not even have imagined
for - cliche - the finger pointing to the moon - the finger is not the moon - language is NOT the experience it describes - from Psychology Today website - article - What Oliver Sacks Taught Me - Susan R. Barry - 2024 - Jan. 23
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The phenomena do not disappear, but simply get reflected. Sounds, mental images, sensations, smells are all present without any isolation and there is a flavour of synesthesia to it. This state gives rise to the feeling of spaciousness.
for - definition - spaciousness - of meditation experience - flow state - like synesthesia - from Medium article - Heart Sutra and the nyams of Dzogchen - Aleander Vezhnevets - 2022, Sept 7
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for - definition - Shi-ne - Shamatha without object - open awareness - the Tibetan meditation practice of becoming aware of our habitual tendency to reify and essentialize phenomena, experiencing them as having independent, non-relational reality of their own, both for - inner phenomena (thoughts and emotions) - outer phenomena (sensations) - It also goes by two other names - Shamatha without object - open awareess - from Medium article - Heart Sutra and the nyams of Dzogchen - Aleander Vezhnevets - 2022, Sept 7 - adjacency - Tibetan shi-ne meditation - insight into our habit of reifying reality into objects - object permanence in child psychology - feral children and role of language enculturation in our constructed reality - Deep Humanity BEing journeys to give insight into deeper layer of phenomenological experience
adjacency - between - Tibetan shi-ne meditation - insight into our habit of reifying reality into objects - object permanence in child psychology - Dr. Oliver Sacks medical case histories - feral children and absence of enculturation on human experience of reality - potential Deep Humanity BEing journeys to penetrate early deep conceptual layer - new relationship - question - Is shi-ne, in one sense attempting to get us to penetrate our deep conditioning of object permanence in our early child development years? - Before we mastered object permanence, we essentially experienced really as an undivided whole, a gestalt - To understand how non-trivial construction of object permanence is, we can read the late Dr. Oliver Sacks writing on his medical case studies of patients whose medical conditions caused them to experience reality in the danger way ordinary people do - The study of feral children also provides important insights into linguistic conditioning's role in our construction of reality - This area can inspire many important Deep Humanity BEing journeys relating - our habitual propensity to reify - object permanence - Shi-ne meditation and to offer us a way to penetrate our early deep conditioning of object permanence - Doing so allows us to get in touch with a pure, unconditioned, more primordial experience of reality free from layers of deep conceptualisation
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the experience of spaciousness and the empty nature of phenomena are related in the following way. As our mind lets go of reification, phenomena arise as continuously interconnected and interdependent, yet without ground in essence.
for - key insight / adjacency- Dzogchen practice - the experience of spaciousness and emptiness of phenomena - neuroscientist Gerald Edelman's question about the newborn classifying the world - from Medium article - Heart Sutra and the nyams of Dzogchen - Aleander Vezhnevets - 2022, Sept 7
key insight / adjacency - between - Dzogchen practice - the shi-ne experience of spaciousness and emptiness of phenomena - Neuroscientist Gerald Edelman's question - how does a newborn learn to classify an undivided world of phenomena? - new relationship - As the mind lets go of our habitual tendency to reify and create artificial independent things - phenomena begin to appear to arise as continuously interconnected, interdependent, yet without ground in essence - This gives us a sense of space where every phenomena is arising inter-relatedly. - This is related to Gerald Edelman's question of - how a newborn is able to start classifying a world that is undivided - Does shi-ne training take us back to our first experience of reality as a newborn, when - there was not even any inter-relationships because there were no separate objects to be in relation with each other
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- definition - spaciousness - of meditation experience - flow state - like synesthesia - from Medium article - Heart Sutra and the nyams of Dzogchen - Aleander Vezhnevets - 2022, Sept 7
- key insight / adjacency- Dzogchen practice - the experience of spaciousness and emptiness of phenomena - neuroscientist Gerald Edelman's question about the newborn classifying the world - from Medium article - Heart Sutra and the nyams of Dzogchen - Aleander Vezhnevets - 2022, Sept 7
- adjacency - shi-ne - neuroscientist Gerald Edelman's question of a newborn
- definition - Shi-ne - Shamatha without object - open awareness - the Tibetan meditation practice of becoming aware of our habitual tendency to reify and essentialize phenomena - from Medium article - Heart Sutra and the nyams of Dzogchen - Aleander Vezhnevets - 2022, Sept 7
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Tibetan terminology. Nyam literally means experiences or meditative experience and is described as intense psychophysical sensations.
for - definition - nyam - Tibetan term for intense psychophysical meditative experience - from Medium article - Nyams I have known and loved - Alexander Vezhnevets - 2022, Apr 28
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The only way you can become a buddha is to see the nature of ultimate reality with the motivation of relieving the suffering of sentient beings. And in order to do that, you have to cultivate this wisdom.
for - Buddhism - Tantric logic - Become a buddha - to experience the ultimate nature of reality - to relieve suffering of others - cultivate wisdom - experience ultimate nature of mind - from Youtube - Between Life and Death: Understanding Tukdam - John D. Dunne
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Algorithmic control of our lives is an expression of the rot at the heart of Western civilisation: quantitative values subsuming qualitative experience.
for - key insight - algorithmic control - quantitative values subsuming qualitative experience - Substack article - Best Served Cold: Luigi Mangione and The Age of Breach - Alexander Beiner
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At the same time, computer scientists and engineers need to deliver the technological burden of proof that decentralized personal data networks can scale globally, and that they can provide people with a better experience than centralized platforms.
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I don't think you can prove it but I wonder if what what it would feel like I think is is um synchronicity
for - topic for further research - higher level of living system - indicator of - Micheal Levin - synchronicity
Adjacency - between - Jordan Hall / Michael Levin conversation - hyperobject - cognitive light cone - lower level indicator of higher level - enlightenment / awakening Frederico Faggin experience - meditation - adjacency statement - Federico Faggin's experience of inter level awareness was - his profound awakening experience transcending even oneness - That was an indicator event that shattered his belief that he was alone, shuttered in existential isolation - and showed him that he was a part of a much larger system - In general, at the level of humans and human consciousness, - awakening and enlightenment experiences described throughout human history in many different - times and - places - could be interpreted as reaching upwards to a higher level in our lower level cognitive light cone
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when we experience peace what we are experiencing whether we realize it or not is is the background of awareness the background of consciousness who who's whose nature is peace and its peace is present not just in the absence of objective experience it's present during objective experience just as the screen remains present during the movie but we lose contact with it when we lose ourselves in the content of experience
for question - What is peace? - it is rediscovering our background of awareness - we lose it when we get lost in the content of experience
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when infinite consciousness localizes itself in the form of each of our finite minds and becomes entangled with the content of experience it overlooks the knowing of itself in favor of its knowledge of objective experience and therefore the finite mind has to perform this activity of reflecting back on itself in order to arrive at the recognition i am pure consciousness
for - duality - infinite consciousness - mistaking itself for finite counsciousness - entangled with the content of experience - Rupert Spira
duality - infinite consciousness - mistaking itself for finite counsciousness - entangled with the content of experience - Rupert Spira - What does this really mean? - What does it mean to be entangled? - What does it take to get dis-entangled? - It would seem that falling into suffering through unbalanced - self-identify and - self cherishing - is what he is getting at
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don't do this experiment philosophically do it experientially it's like undressing at night we take off everything that can be taken off
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BEing journey - self knowledge exercise - removing everything from our experience that is not essential Rupert Spira - metaphor - Like taking all our clothes off when we are preparing for bedtime
comment - self knowledge exercise - Rupert Spira - This exercise makes me think of my own thoughts around discovering or rather, rediscovering one's true nature - If we are to discuss the "greater self" from whence we came, then it's tantamount to discovering - the nature nature within - human nature - So anything that is recognized as human nature, cannot be the ground state - The ground state must go beyond anything that depends on the human body - Thoughts and perceptions are mediated by brains and sense organs, both depend on the human body and so - are dependent on human nature - Self knowledge is unmediated and directly experienced - It has the quality of the ground state within us, the nature part of our human nature
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one way to make this experiential investigation into the essential nature of our self would be to remove in fact we don't need to remove it would be sufficient to imagine removing everything from us that is not essential to us so i suggest we let's just embark do this investigation for a few minutes
for - BEing journey - self knowledge exercise - removing everything from our experience that is not essential Rupert Spira
BEing journey - self knowledge exercise - removing everything from our experience that is not essential Rupert Spira - Remove phenomenological experiences that are transient - that is, have a beginning or end - The fact that they do not last implies that they cannot be part of our essential, unchanging nature
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- BEing journey - self knowledge exercise - removing everything from our experience that is not essential Rupert Spira - metaphor - Like taking all our clothes off when we are preparing for bedtime
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for - Federico Faggin - quantum physics - consciousness
summary - Frederico Faggin is a physicist and microelectronic engineer who was the developer of the world's first microprocessor at Intel, the Intel 4004 CPU. - Now he focuses his attention on developing a robust and testable theory of consciousness based on quantum information theory. - What sets Frederico apart from other scientists who are studying consciousness is a series of profound personal 'awakening'-type experiences in which has led to a psychological dissolution of the sense of self bounded by his physical body - This profound experience led him to claim with unshakable certainty that our individual consciousness is far greater than our normal mundane experience of it - Having a science and engineering background, Faggin has set out to validate his experiences with a new scientific theory of Consciousness, Information and Physicality (CIP) and Operational Probabilistic Theory (OPT)
to - Frederico Faggin's website - https://hyp.is/JTGs6lr9Ee-K8-uSXD3tsg/www.fagginfoundation.org/what-we-do/j - Federico Faggin and paper: - Hard Problem and Free Will: - an information-theoretical approach - https://hyp.is/styU2lofEe-11hO02KJC8w/link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-85480-5_5
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to me the first step for being able to grow as a human being and as a true human being and express our true nature is to takeing first responsibility for what happens in our life good and bad and the next step is to be honest about yourself so the honesty was to recognize that I was unhappy and I was pretending to be happy so I recognize what normally people do not because they don't want to change their belief and so they continue to be unhappy
for - answer - how to experience nondual - how to experience non-separation and the authentic self - Federico Faggin
answer - how to experience nondual - how to experience non-separation and the authentic self - Be sincere in acknowledging your unhappiness and - take responsibility for it - Be a sincere seeker - The intensity of your search is like a prayer
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he Experience you had when you felt this beam coming out of you uh what type of experiences should people or could people aim in order to get access to this sort of information do they need some sort of a psychedelic do they need to meditate they need to read the WR books
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t was so profound and so deeply felt to be true it was a direct experience of Consciousness that I never had before and it revealed that I am the totality of reality observing itself from a one point of view
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quote - awakening experience - Federico Faggin - (see below)
- What I was observing was energy that previously had come out of my chest and
- It was physical energy
- It was not an imagination
- It was physical energy was
- It was a white light that
- It felt like a love that I never felt before and
- It was love, joy and peace
- I never I never had experienced peace before
- It was like like that's me this is my home this is this is who - I am that energy then now exploded now is everywhere and now I am, my consciousness is in that energy
- My feelings are in that consciousness, which is also outside inside your body and o
- Outside your body is everywhere well that experience can change your idea of who you are very quickly because
- Apart from the fact that
- it was so profound and
- so deeply felt to be true
- it was a direct experience of Consciousness that I never had before and
- it revealed that I am the totality of reality observing itself from a one point of view
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I had extraordinary experience of Consciousness which is written in the book uh in the in fact both books that I that I uh printed where essentially I experienc myself as the Observer and the observe but I retain my point of view I was observing the world that and the world was me because my conscious was in that world that I was observing but I was observing
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a big part of the book and a big part of your previous book as I've read both of them is your joury because you describe your life going into different phases
for - Federico Faggin - personal journey - profound awakening experience - reorientation of consciousness - from materialist - to idealist
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- epoche - kensho - satori - awakening experience - Federico Faggin
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quand je me situe dans les caractères irreversible de mon expérience je suis dans ce queos appelle l'éternité
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Math camp was the happiest educational experience of my childhood. I loved theoretical math in grade school even and majored in philosophy of mathematics in college with the intention of going on in artificial intelligence or what at the time was called “quantificational logic” — roughly, machine language, translating human language into code and instructions that can be executed by computers.
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it might help people live more meaningful lives, by feeling a sense of connection to the greater whole of the human species, and allowing this connection to guide their lives.
for - more meaningful lives from connecting to the greater whole of the human species - n other words - experience the sacred
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I've just experienced the same issue with confirmation links being executed in a sent email before the user has received them and invalidating the link. I got around the issue by modifying the page the URL links to. I've added a Confirm button on the page which the user has to click to confirm their email and this works nicely.
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If the link you are trying to send is just some kind of harmless confirmation link (e.g. subscribe/unsubscribe from a newsletter), then at least use a form inside the web page to do the actual confirmation through a POST request (possibly also using a CSRF token), otherwise you will unequivocally end up with false positives.
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most of the great religions in the world have been attempts to to restrain or reform uh human nature or at least uh channel our worst impulses into something 01:10:48 more productive or higher something loftier um and in this this is exactly what we need here it's something that will create a form of altruism which doesn't only extend to people we see around us now but extends 01:11:00 to the future generations
for - rapid whole system change - need for something that will create a new form of altruism - Ronald Wright - transition - requires an experience of re-awakening transition - need for a new religion? Deep Humanity?
comment 10 July 2024 - Deep Humanity is our attempt at this. It is not a religion, however. It is humanity, but in the deepest sense, so it is accessible to anyone in our species. Our tagline has been - Rekindling wonder in an age of crisis - However, this morning an adjacency occurred:
adjacency - between - familiarity - wonder - adjacency relationship - Familiarity hides wonder - Richard Dawkins said: - There is an anaesthetic of familiarity, - a sedative of ordinariness - which dulls the senses and hides the wonder of existence. - For those of us not gifted in poetry, - it is at least worth while from time to time - making an effort to shake off the anaesthetic. - What is the best way of countering the sluggish habitutation brought about by our gradual crawl from babyhood? - We can't actually fly to another planet. - But we can recapture that sense of having just tumbled out to life on a new world - by looking at our own world in unfamiliar ways. - That is, when a type of experience becomes familiar through repeated sensory episodes, - we lose the feeling of wonder we had when we initially experienced it - It's much like visiting a place for the very first time. We are struck with a sense of wonder because everything is unpredictable, in a safe way. We have no idea what's around the next corner. It's a surprise. - However, once we live there, and have traced that route hundreds of times, we have transformed that first magical experience into mundane experience. - So it is with everything that makes us human, with all the foundational things about reality that we learned from the moment we were born. - They have all become jaded. We've forgotten the awe of those first experiences in this reality: - our first experience of our basic senses - our first breath of air, instead of amniotic fluid - our first integration of multiple sensory experiences into a cohesive whole - the birth of objectification - the very first application of objectification to form the object we called mOTHER - the Most significant OTHER - our first encounter with the integration of multiple sensory stimuli associated with each object we construct - our first encounter with auditory human, speech symbols - our first experience with object continuity - how objects still exist even if they disappear from view momentarily - do we remember freaking out when mOTHER disappeared from view momentarily? - our first ability to communicate with mOTHER through speech symbols - our first encounter with ability to control our bodies through our own volition - our first encounter with gravity, the pull towards the ground - our first encounter with a large bright sphere suspended in the sky - our first encounter with perspective, how objects change size in our field of view as they get nearer or farer - etc... - What's missing now, is that we have repeated all these experiences so many times, that the feeling of awe no longer emerges with life - To generate awe, the repertoire of existing experiences is insufficient - now we have to create NEW experiences, we have to create novelty - Mortality Salience can help jolt us out of this fixation on novelty, and remind us of the sacred that is already here all the time - For, what happens at the time of death? All the constructions we have taken for granted in life disappear all at once, or perhaps some before others - Hence, we begin to re-experience them as relative, as constructions, and not absolutes - All living organisms have their own unique umwelt - These umwelts are all expressions of the sacred, sensing itself in different ways
- What is required is a kind of awakening, or re-awakening
- When religions do their job, it gives us a framework to engage in a shared sense of the sacred, of wonder in the mundane
- In a sense, Deep Humanity is identifying that most vital commonality in all religions and seeing all their diverse intersectionalities in simply being deeply human
- We awakened once, when we were born into the world
- then we fell asleep through the dream of familiarity
- Now, we have to collectively re-awaken to the wonder we all experienced in that initial awakening experience as newborns
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Résumé de la vidéo [00:00:10][^1^][1] - [00:24:31][^2^][2] : Cette vidéo présente une session des Jeudis de l'expérience usagers, où Stéphanie Metou de l'ASP (Agence de Service et de Paiement) explique comment sensibiliser à l'expérience utilisateur par le jeu. Elle introduit le concept d'andragogie et la gamification, détaille la création d'un jeu de cartes éducatif et partage des témoignages sur son efficacité.
Points forts : + [00:00:10][^3^][3] Introduction à l'expérience utilisateur * Présentation des Jeudis de l'expérience usagers * Objectif de sensibiliser à l'expérience utilisateur par le jeu + [00:01:04][^4^][4] Stéphanie Metou et l'ASP * Introduction de Stéphanie Metou et de son rôle à l'ASP * Explication des missions de l'ASP et de son importance + [00:07:05][^5^][5] Création du jeu de cartes * Processus de création d'un jeu de cartes pour apprendre le lexique de l'expérience utilisateur * Utilisation de l'andragogie et de la gamification pour l'éducation des adultes + [00:20:35][^6^][6] Témoignages et impact du jeu * Partage de témoignages sur l'utilisation du jeu * Impact positif sur l'apprentissage et la communication interne
Résumé de la vidéo [00:24:33][^1^][1] - [00:39:27][^2^][2]:
Cette vidéo présente une session des Jeudis de l'expérience usagers, axée sur la sensibilisation à l'expérience utilisateur par le jeu. Elle explique comment un jeu de cartes peut être utilisé pour faciliter l'apprentissage et encourager la communication et la collaboration au sein des équipes.
Points forts: + [00:24:33][^3^][3] L'apprentissage par le jeu * Favorise les échanges et la coopération * Sert d'outil d'accompagnement au changement * Aide à l'acquisition de compétences + [00:25:01][^4^][4] Le jeu comme reflet du parcours utilisateur * Représente les cinq étapes du parcours utilisateur * Intègre le lexique de l'expérience utilisateur * Encourage la communication et la collaboration + [00:27:10][^5^][5] L'andragogie par le jeu * A fait ses preuves dans la formation * Constitue un support précieux pour l'accompagnement au changement * Permet de réfléchir à d'autres modalités de formation ludiques + [00:31:03][^6^][6] La conception du jeu * Basée sur le besoin d'un langage commun * Implique différentes équipes dans sa création * Vise à rendre les agents acteurs de leur apprentissage
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tous les passagers dépourvus de Navigo doivent ici s'acquitter d'un billet à 10,30 € contrairement à toutes les nouvelles 00:02:13 stations de la 14 du coup nous on a eu une petite surprise on est arrivé donc on avait notre ticket de métro mais donc apparemment ça suffisait pas du coup pour passer les grilles donc là on va devoir payer un supplément donc de 10,30 00:02:26 € ça aurait été mieux en fait directement de prévenir déjà ce qu'on savait pas éviter sur la cul une deuxième fois pour reprendre un autre ticket c'est dommage qu' personne pour aider pour que ça aille plus vite quoi qu' a pas une telle queue on est un peu 00:02:36 abandonné là on se les bouill c'est ch c'est 40 € on comprend rien donc pas quoi faire il y a pas d'autre choix de toute façon c'est vraiment triste 43 € 43 € pour qu personnes oui c'est pas 00:02:49 très bien expliqué c'est une ligne de métro normale et on arrive au bout et là on charge 10 € de plus par personne pour rentrer avoir su encore une fois j'aurais pris un U relier
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