https://www.jonmsterling.com/index.xml

ᔥRichard in A forest of evergreen notes at 2024-06-02<br /> (accessed:: 2024-06-07 11:14:53)

https://growyourown.services/

Found via Clint Lalonde

Blog Gardening Reflection by [[Jamie Thingelstad]]

Listened to Jorge Arango in Maggie Appleton on Digital Gardening<br /> Episode 118

watched Tinderbox Meetup 2023-12-03 featuring Jorge Arango

Attendees: Mark Bernstein, Michael Becker, Jorge Arango,

Introductions: Rolf Huber (Information Architect)

Featured

• many different definitions of notes (types...)
• Damien Newman scribble drawing as a representation or diagram of the design process (22:42)
• 2x2 grid matrix of evergreen versus transient and mnemonic versus generative.(27:00)

• contacts, recipes, book highlights and marginalia in the mnemonic/evergreen quadrant; to do lists, grocery list, appointments in the mnemonic/transient quadrant; sticky notes, mind maps, project plans, tinderbox in the generative/transient quadrant; knowledge gardens, zettelkasten, pkm systems in the generative/evergreen;

• What does the structure of containers in each of these spaces look like? How simple or complex are they?

• There can be growth from one space into others, (especially from the mnemonic into generative).

• Chuck Wade mentions that email fits into all four of the quadrants.

• Cathy Marshall used "information gardening" in Xerox Park setting... (source?) It may have been mentioned in Arango's interview of Mark Bernstein on The Informed Life.

Arango came to knowledge gardening via Brian Eno essay on architecture and gardening metaphor.

Three Rules of Knowledge Gardening

1. Make short notes; create enough context to help out your future self
2. Connect your notes
3. Nurture your notes; revisit, build, feedback

Q&A

Dave Rogers - we should challenge our notes rather than "nurturing them";

JA: Perhaps we could use AI/GPT to "steel man" our arguments?

Hookmark: https://hookproductivity.com/

Gordon Brander's Noosphere - protocol to define the problem of linking things quickly at internet scale.

The goal of Quartz is to make hosting your own public digital garden free and simple. You don’t even need your own website. Quartz does all of that for you and gives your own little corner of the internet. https://github.com/jackyzha0/quartz

Quartz runs on top of Hugo so all notes are written in Markdown .

links can be used for search

links remind you of questions you need to ask

links can suggest other future potential links of which one isn't yet aware or which haven't fully manifested, this is some of the "magic" of the zettelkasten—it creates easy potential for future links not yet manifest.

https://wildrye.com/your-blog-as-a-commonplace-book/

reply to u/GlitteringFee1047 at https://www.reddit.com/r/Zettelkasten/comments/147yj2b/personal_website/

I've got a personal site at https://boffosocko.com which I've had for many years and used in part as a digital commonplace book/pseudo-zettelkasten. I've been an active member of the IndieWeb community for many years as well and happy to answer any questions about those experiences. To bring things closer to the overlap of that and this particular community, folks may appreciate the following related material:

• https://indieweb.org/zettelkasten
• https://indieweb.org/digital_garden
• https://indieweb.org/commonplace_book

https://xtiles.app/62e9167a308426236b1d2b91 https://xtiles.app/62c29d1866533a18d0717564

Presumably this is part of xTiles' planning for various personas and strategy.

https://notes.azlen.me/g3tibyfv/

Inspired by Andy Matuschak's site

https://beepb00p.xyz/

https://notes.nicolevanderhoeven.com/Fork+My+Brain

Autobibliographie annotée (2018-2022) <br /> by Arthur Perret on 2023-02-20 (accessed:: 2023-02-24 11:30:20)

Perret looks back at several years of blogposts and comments on his growth over the intervening years. This sort of practice and providing indicators of best posts is an interesting means of digital gardening.

https://www.edwinwenink.xyz/about/

https://shawngraham.github.io/hist1900/assets/slides/jan18#/

http://bactra.org/

An interesting raw html-based website that also serves the functions of notebook and to some extent a digital commonplace.

Cosma Shalizi is a professor in the statistics department at CMU.

https://bmannconsulting.com/#/page/Boris%20Mann%20Digital%20Notes%20Garden

Boris has recently changed this URL to host his online digital garden using Logseq in late December 2022.

https://logseq.bmannconsulting.com/

A list of websites, online note collections, zettelkasten, digital gardens, wikis that rely on Logseq publish: https://github.com/pengx17/logseq-publish/network/dependents

Cathy Marshall was an early digital gardener!

Winnie later goes on to point out that this is much like gardening: it is a slow process, and the process has its seasons which wax and wane, expanding and contracting. You sow. You seed. You water. You fertilize. You wait. You pick weeds. You water. Pick some more weeds. You might prune. You flick off the japanese beetles. And because of the cyclical nature of the planet we inhabit, we also have periods where nothing grows, and the soil lies dormant. Waiting. Resting. This, too, can be embraced as we carve out our little corners of the web, and really all aspects of our lives. I know I'm nearly as tender to myself as I should be.

https://dhpraxis22.commons.gc.cuny.edu/digital-gardens-update-website-and-more/

A whole different type of digital gardens...

Instead of building a comments section, why not build it to send/accept Webmentions? (Webmention.io and Webmention.js with some help from Brid.gy) could implement this pretty quickly without much additional work.) This would allow your digital garden to communicate directly with others' as well as other sites online including Twitter?

https://www.reddit.com/r/DigitalGardens/comments/lvtvko/what_is_the_difference_between_digital_garden_and/

Asked in March 2021, there's some interesting nascent differentiation between the two forms of note taking and display. Almost all zettelkasten were private at this point and digital gardens were an emerging phenomenon.

There's some indication of the difference delineated on the IndieWeb wiki, particularly for digital versions: - https://indieweb.org/Zettelk%C3%A4sten - https://indieweb.org/digital_garden

Many people treat their blogging practice as an experimental thought space. They try out new ideas, explore a small space, attempt to come to understanding, connect new ideas to their existing ideas.

Ton Zylstra coins/uses the phrase "metablogging" to think about his blogging practice as an evolving thought space.

How can we better distill down these sorts of longer ideas and use them to create more collisions between ideas to create new an innovative ideas? What forms might this take?

The personal zettelkasten is a more concentrated form of this and blogging is certainly within the space as are the somewhat more nascent digital gardens. What would some intermediary "idea crucible" between these forms look like in public that has a simple but compelling interface. How much storytelling and contextualization is needed or not needed to make such points?

Is there a better space for progressive summarization here so that an idea can be more fully laid out and explored? Then once the actual structure is built, the scaffolding can be pulled down and only the idea remains.

Reminiscences of scaffolding can be helpful for creating context.

Consider the pyramids of Giza and the need to reverse engineer how they were built. Once the scaffolding has been taken down and history forgets the methods, it's not always obvious what the original context for objects were, how they were made, what they were used for. Progressive summarization may potentially fall prey to these effects as well.

How might we create a "contextual medium" which is more permanently attached to ideas or objects to help prevent context collapse?

How would this be applied in reverse to better understand sites like Stonehenge or the hundreds of other stone circles, wood circles, and standing stones we see throughout history.

https://wiki.nikiv.dev/other/wiki-workflow

https://www.zylstra.org/blog/2022/06/adding-an-index/

Tonz has an index now too!

https://www.reddit.com/r/DigitalGardens/comments/vidqg6/new_to_digital_gardens/

There's lots of detail, articles, examples, and exploration documented here: https://indieweb.org/commonplace_book

I like that he touches on one of the important parts of the gardens and streams portion of online digital gardens here, though he doesn't tacitly frame it this way.

a nod to digital gardens

https://briansunter.com/graph/#/page/logseq-social

Brian Sunter (twitter) using Logseq as a social network platform.

What simple standards exist here? Could this more broadly and potentially be used to connect personal wikis, digital gardens, zettelkasten, etc?

Note that in this thread Dave Winer asks about how it can be tied into other standardized pieces to interconnect?

How can I hook my outlines into your net if I’m not running Logseq?

— dave.rss (@davewiner) June 13, 2022

https://christiantietze.de/posts/2020/05/digital-gardening/

Christian Tietze's take on digital gardens from 2020-05-19, when they were still very nascent as a topic breaking into the mainstream.

The blog killed online gardens in some sense because of it's time-ordered stream of content. While it was generally a slower moving stream than that of social media platforms like Twitter which came later, it was still a stream.

Anecdotal evidence of one person's experience within the realm of digital gardeners.

Odd that they indicate Ghost as a primary platform. That hasn't been my experience. Many seem to be using SSG platforms.

Example of a writer who wholly conflates "note sharers" with "digital gardners" and the "second brain" crowd.

It's likely that these words and terminology have all become conflated due to ambiguous use.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWkwOefBPZY

Some of the basic outline of this looks like OER (Open Educational Resources) and its "five Rs": Retain, Reuse, Revise, Remix and/or Redistribute content. (To which I've already suggested the sixth: Request update (or revision control).

Some of this is similar to:

The Read Write Web is no longer sufficient. I want the Read Fork Write Merge Web. #osb11 lunch table. #diso #indieweb [Tantek Çelik](http://tantek.com/2011/174/t1/read-fork-write-merge-web-osb110

Idea of collections of learning as collections or "playlists" or "readlists". Similar to the old tool Readlist which bundled articles into books relatively easily. See also: https://boffosocko.com/2022/03/26/indieweb-readlists-tools-and-brainstorming/

Use of Wiki version histories

Some of this has the form of a Wiki but with smaller nuggets of information (sort of like Tiddlywiki perhaps, which also allows for creating custom orderings of things which had specific URLs for displaying and sharing them.) The Zettelkasten idea has some of this embedded into it. Shared zettelkasten could be an interesting thing.

Data is the new soil. A way to reframe "data is the new oil" but as a part of the commons. This fits well into the gardens and streams metaphor.

Jerry, have you seen Matt Ridley's work on Ideas Have Sex? https://www.ted.com/talks/matt_ridley_when_ideas_have_sex Of course you have: https://app.thebrain.com/brains/3d80058c-14d8-5361-0b61-a061f89baf87/thoughts/3e2c5c75-fc49-0688-f455-6de58e4487f1/attachments/8aab91d4-5fc8-93fe-7850-d6fa828c10a9

I've heard Jerry mention the idea of "crystallization of knowledge" before. How can we concretely link this version with Cesar Hidalgo's work, esp. Why Information Grows.

Cross reference Jerry's Brain: https://app.thebrain.com/brains/3d80058c-14d8-5361-0b61-a061f89baf87/thoughts/4bfe6526-9884-4b6d-9548-23659da7811e/notes

1. Walter Benjamin, Einbahnstra ß e, in Gesammelte Schriften, vol. 4 (Frankfurt am Main: Suhrkamp Verlag, 1928/1981), 98 – 140, at 103.

Does Walter Benjamin prefigure the idea of card indexes conversing with themselves in a communicative method similar to that of Vannevar Bush's Memex?

This definitely sounds like the sort of digital garden inter-communication afforded by the Anagora as suggested by @Flancian.

https://wildland.io/2021/06/11/introducing-client-v0.1.html

This looks intriguing... A client for abstracting data stores for use anywhere.

https://www.nilsmueller.info/

Digital garden of Dr. Nils Müller

https://person-al.github.io/

Owned by https://twitter.com/person72443, found via IndieWeb chat this month.

Evidence that Tiago should be aware that Le Cunff didn't coin "digital garden" in 2020.

https://www.hastac.org/blogs/cathy-davidson/2011/12/18/relaxing-digital-garden-how-thrive-21st-century

An early reference to the idea of digital gardens with respect to not only the digital space but gardening within education.

Could this have potentially influenced Mike Caulfield's Garden and the Stream essay?

Oldest reference to digital garden on Twitter

notes that when you don't tend to your digital garden, people come along, think your work is weeds, and pull it from existence.

— Matthew Oliphant (@matto) February 19, 2007

Second earliest reference to digital garden on Twitter

tending to the digital garden.

— seansalmon.ugh 🤷‍♂️ (@seanaes) October 1, 2007

Zettelkasten existed prior to Niklas Luhmann, who neither invented them nor coined their name.

The earliest concept of a digital garden stems from Mark Bernstein's essay Hypertext Gardens: Delightful Vistas in 1998.

Anne-Laure Le Cunff's first mention of "digital garden" was on April 21, 2020

Progress on my digital garden / evergreen notebook inspired by @andy_matuschak🌱<br><br>Super grateful for @alyssaxuu who's been literally handholding me through the whole thing — thank you! pic.twitter.com/ErzvEsdAUj

— Anne-Laure Le Cunff (@anthilemoon) April 22, 2020

Which occurred after Maggie Appleton's mention on 2020-04-15 https://twitter.com/Mappletons/status/1250532315459194880

Nerding hard on digital gardens, personal wikis, and experimental knowledge systems with @_jonesian today.<br><br>We have an epic collection going, check these out...<br><br>1. @tomcritchlow's Wikifolders: https://t.co/QnXw0vzbMG pic.twitter.com/9ri6g9hD93

— Maggie Appleton 🧭 (@Mappletons) April 15, 2020

And several days after Justin Tadlock on 2020-04-17 https://wptavern.com/on- digital-gardens-blogs-personal-spaces-and-the-future

Before this there was Joel Hooks by at least 2020-02-04 https://web.archive.org/web/20200204180025/https://joelhooks.com/digital-garden, though he had been thinking about it in late 2019: https://github.com/joelhooks/joelhooks-com/blob/36c21b34f02ade14d4e67915ff412462030282cd/content/blog/2019-12-08--on-writing-more~~qG38AKqxq/index.mdx

He was predated by Tom Critchlow on 2018-10-18 https://tomcritchlow.com/blogchains/digital-gardens/ who quotes Mike Caulfield's article from 2015-10-17 as an influence https://hapgood.us/2015/10/17/the-garden-and-the-stream-a-technopastoral/amp/

Archive.org has versions going back into the early 2000's: https://web.archive.org/web/*/%22digital%20garden%22

https://tommcfarlin.com/digital-gardens-and-blogs/

Relatively early mention of digital gardens in the blogosphere on 2020-04-15

First post on r/DigitalGardens was on June 29, 2020

Other inspirations for digital gardens: Tad Williams' Otherland - Mister Sellars Garden

https://jessmart.in/notes/

Newcomers to note taking practice using tools like Roam Research, Obsidian, Logseq, et al. often see very nice and clean-cut toy examples of note collections which are impeccably linked and maintained. This may also be the case for those who publish their notes (or portions thereof) in public settings on the web. In reality, this sort of rigidness and beautifully manicured practice almost never happens. There are varying levels of messiness in actual people's notes. Beginners should be aware of this and not hold themselves to too high a standard and use this as an excuse not to practice and get their work done.

https://notes.cagrimmett.com/

A WordPress-based Digital Garden

https://blog.kowalczyk.info/

<small><cite class='h-cite ht'>↬ <span class='p-author h-card'>Dave Gauer</span> in Inspiration for the virtual box of cards - ratfactor (<time class='dt-published'>02/27/2022 14:21:56</time>)</cite></small>

https://wiki.nikitavoloboev.xyz/

<small><cite class='h-cite ht'>↬ <span class='p-author h-card'>Dave Gauer</span> in Inspiration for the virtual box of cards - ratfactor (<time class='dt-published'>02/27/2022 14:21:56</time>)</cite></small>

If one thinks of a personal website as a performance, what is really being performed by the author?

Links and cross links, well done, within a website can provide a garden of forking paths by which a particular reader might explore a blog despite the fact that there is often a chronological time order imposed upon it.

Link this to the idea of using a zettelkasten as a biography of a writer, but one with thousands of crisscrossing links.

Part of the question about the ordering of posts on a website comes down first to what the actual content is. Is it posts, pages, articles about particular topics, short notes?

Most blogs typically default to a particular time ordered display, but also provide search and archives for content by topical headings (tags/categories) as well. Digital gardens and wikis are set up with no particular hierarchies and one is encouraged to wander. Most social media notes and photos are created in a time only order.

There aren't enough online zettelkasten yet to look at what that might entail, though affordances there are likely to be similar to that of digital gardens which let you pick out something via keyword and then follow links from one thing to the next.

These are interesting questions for publishers as much as they are from anticipating what one's intended or imagined audience might be looking for.

https://winnielim.org/essays/tending-to-my-garden/

Though intended perhaps to lean more towards gardening oneself into mental health, I read this from the perspective of cultivating and tending a digital garden, which for me is a fun and relaxing practice.

Oliver Sacks wrote:

I cannot say exactly how nature exerts its calming and organizing effects on our brains, but I have seen in my patients the restorative and healing powers of nature and gardens, even for those who are deeply disabled neurologically. In many cases, gardens and nature are more powerful than any medication.

If gardens and potentially tending gardens is restorative, how might we create user interfaces that are calm and gentle enough to make tending one's digital garden a healthful and restorative process for our psyches?

I really love this watercolor artwork to represent the idea of a digital garden.

Summary tk

Modern note taking has seen a reversion to pre-Renaissance practices in which they're much more temporary tools. Relatively few students take notes with an aim for reusing them past their immediate classroom settings or current term of study.

The revitalization of the idea of the zettelkasten in the late 2010s seems to be helping to reverse this idea. However, there aren't enough online versions of these sorts of notes which allow them to be used with other publics or even to be used and shared with other collaborators. There are some growing spaces seen in the social media note taking space like the anagora.org or the digital gardens space where this seems to have some potential to take off. There's also a small community on Hypothes.is which seems to be practicing this as well, though direct links between various collections of notes is not commonplace.

https://github.com/mathieudutour/gatsby-digital-garden

A set of packages to create a digital garden with Gatsby.

Soren Bjornstad has a public zettelkasten which is in the vein of a traditional one though he indicates that others might call it a digital garden or second brain. This shows the conflation of many of these terms.

What truly differentiates digital gardens from wikis and zettelkasten?

https://brainbaking.com/post/2021/10/are-digital-gardens-blogs/

We definitely need better definitions of digital gardens (public or otherwise) to delineate them from blogs, zettelkasten, wikis, social media, and other forms of information exchange.

Wouter Groeneveld describes some of his thoughts here.

Link to notes from https://collect.readwriterespond.com/are-digital-gardens-blogs/

Actual public digital gardens, or what I would consider good ones, are exceedingly rare. Even rarer are find ones which have enough subject overlap with my own areas of interest which tends to make them even less directly interesting to me.

What I wouldn't give to have well tended public digital gardens by people in my areas of interest.

Wouter Groeneveld here is mixing up a digital garden and a blog with social media enhancements. I personally wouldn't expect a digital garden to necessarily have features like checkins, bookmarks, etc. Ideally it would be a mix of of a zettelkasten with atomic ideas and notes and a wiki structure with somewhat longer articles and ideas strung together.

From this definition, my personal website definitely isn't a "digital garden" but a blog with a variety of social media features built in. Looking at some smaller subsets of my website, one might consider it to be a digital garden.

An additional piece of digital gardening also has to do with actually tending the garden, which I generally don't do in my website the way I do in my Obsidian vault. My vault is more like a digital garden which has many streams of data coming into it and being regularly tended.

This is another example of the broader space of these ideas being mixed together in a hodgepodge without clear definitions of what each are.

A list of disadvantages of digital gardens versus paper-based notebooks.

https://anagora.org/digital-gardener-taxonomy

A long and creative list with lots of attributes people have with respect to personal knowledge management, but without any real canonical definitions.

Note the use of the word "seedlings" here in a context reminiscent of the metaphor of the digital garden.

http://webseitz.fluxent.com/wiki/2022-02-06-AddingSisterSites#:~:text=Here%20are%20the-,most-seen%20pages,-http%3A%2F%2Fwebseitz.fluxent

This is so cool to see wikis interlinking and working together.

https://collect.readwriterespond.com/are-digital-gardens-blogs/

I see a lot of literature notes on the same books (Ahrens, Atomic Habits etc) but the notes that build from are always different enough

I haven’t done this (yet) in my own digital garden. Maybe because everything feels between seedling and budding. But equally, the digital garden concept frees me from every worrying about status, these notes are for me, you are just welcome to poke around.

It should be recognized that these basic note types are very different than the digital garden framing of 📤 (seedbox), 🌱 (seedling), 🪴 (sapling), 🌲 (evergreen), etc. which are another measure of the growth and expansion of not just one particular idea but potentially multiple ideas over time. These are a project management sort of tool for focusing on the growth of ideas. Within some tools, one might also use graph views and interconnectedness as means of charting this same sort of growth.

Sönke Ahrens' framing of fleeting note, literature note, and permanent note are a value assignation to the types of each of these notes with respect to generating new ideas and writing.

https://www.notion.so/mindforest/818782f2ff0f44ccbc5941e3fd4d0cd0?v=3badd8762a2f424189dc13c6f4f11539

Love that they've called theirs a "Mind Forest".

https://publish.obsidian.md/alexisrondeau/Welcome+to+my+digital+garden

Birdfeeder could be a good name for a service that transports one's Twitter output to their digital garden.

https://johannesklingebiel.de/2021/03/10/new-website.html

I know that Johannes has a digital garden, but I didn't expect his post to take the turn it did! What a lovely little piece.

https://scrapbox.io/product

A note taking tool for groups that also does bi-directional linking.

reddit.com/r/DigitalGardens/comments/pchsu4/just_discovered_rdigitalgardens_and_now_im/

Other digital garden aliases:

• Mind Forest
• Brain Swamp

There's a digital gardner's group on Telegram that is somewhat active: https://nesslabs.com/digital-gardeners. I know there are many in the IndieWeb community who use their chat infrastructure for building/designing their sites as well: https://indieweb.org/discuss As a larger group effort there's a wiki of wikis of sort being built at http://anagora.org/.

What a great quote for a digital garden. Reminiscent of the philosophy of care seen in the book Braiding Sweetgrass.

https://barnsworthburning.net/

https://commonplace.doubleloop.net/interlinking-wikis

https://www.nickang.com/2021-09-05-types-of-notes-in-a-pkm-explained-with-a-gardening-analogy-part-ii/

https://www.nickang.com/2021-08-29-types-of-notes-in-a-pkm-explained-with-a-gardening-analogy-part-i/

An absolutely beautiful design for short notes.

This is the sort of theme that will appeal to zettelkasten users who are building digital gardens. A bit of the old mixed in with the new.

<small><cite class='h-cite via'>ᔥ <span class='p-author h-card'>Pete Moor </span> in // pimoore.ca (<time class='dt-published'>12/24/2021 18:02:15</time>)</cite></small>

Example of someone who doesn't want to use their digital notebook because of admin tax of pending future changes.

Perhaps a wiki (single or multiple user) would be a better tool for this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_personal_information_managers

Blogging with Obsidian, Gatsby and Nextcloud https://andri.dk/blog/2021/blogging-with-obsidian-gatsby-and-nextcloud

https://tracydurnell.com/2021/10/20/digital-garden-index/

Might be interesting to look at this reference to see what she's referring to specifically.

It would be interesting to see how note taking is changing with even newer digital tools like Hypothes.is, Diigo, Twitter, Readwise, etc.

Perhaps the growth of digital gardens in public may be a place for study as well? Though one would need to be wary of the idea of performative note taking as these are often done specifically in public as opposed to private as is more common in the past.

https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Missing-Link-Luhmanns-Denkmaschine-endlich-im-Netz-4364512.html?seite=all

An interesting overview of Niklas Luhmann's zettelkasten and how it was digitally archived with some potential ideas about how this might be done for other such systems or for ideas for those building and designing their own digital gardens.

It shouldn't take people hours a day with multiple posts, message boards, reading replies, and excessive research to implement a commonplace book. Herein lies a major problem with these systems. They require a reasonable user manual.

One of the reasons I like the idea of public digital gardens is that one can see directly how others are using the space in a more direct and active way. You can see a system in active use and figure out which parts do or don't work or resonate with you.

https://tracydurnell.com/2021/09/26/gardens-and-streams-ii/

I love the phrase mind garden here. It almost feels to me like a portmanteau concept that ties together the ideas of mind (or memory) palace and digital garden.

Alasdair Ekpenyong's Digital Garden

Alasdair is an academic in the area of library science.

https://github.com/colin-walker/Digital-Garden

https://systemcrafters.cc/build-a-second-brain-in-emacs/getting-started-with-org-roam/

https://thinkingabouttoolsforthought.com/episode-005-interview-with-chris-aldrich/

https://thinkingabouttoolsforthought.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Thinking_About_Tools_For_Thought_Ep_005.mp3

This didn't turn out too badly for a half an hour. As ever I dislike listening to my own voice.

http://scripting.com/2021/08/31.html

https://thinkingabouttoolsforthought.com/episode-001-introduction/

https://thinkingabouttoolsforthought.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Thinking_About_Tools_For_Thought_Ep_001.mp3

Sounds like Dave Winer is tinkering around getting Little Outliner to work with Roam or Roam like structures? He certainly might have some useful ideas for Flancian in terms of cobbling together all these note taking / wiki-like platforms.

Just noticed that Mark Bernstein, the writer of Hypertext Gardens: Delightful Vistas, has page about commonplace books on his site, which he wrote with his note taking cum digital gardening tool Tinderbox.