This sounds like a fun way to get together. I'm personally curious to see people taking their Obsidian data and turning them into IndieWeb-friendly linked Memexes. It's interesting to use Obsidian to have a thought conversation with one's self, but it could also be interesting if they could have conversations with each other via Webmention.

For me the more difficult piece is not so much getting the thing online, but setting it up so that the backlinks all work properly using the [[wikilink]] syntax.

After the recent brouhaha at Basecamp (context: https://www.platformer.news/p/-what-really-happened-at-basecamp), a great example of someone using their own domain because they didn't want the bad press of a silo/platform to stick to them

<small><cite class='h-cite via'>ᔥ <span class='p-author h-card'>Internet Archive</span> in (6) Why Trust A Corporation to Do a Library’s Job? - YouTube (<time class='dt-published'>04/28/2021 11:46:41</time>)</cite></small>

Darius Kazemi randomly tweets out pages from books in the Internet Archive as a means of creating discovery and serendipity.

Library Futures, Jennie Rose Halperin @Library_futures @little_wow

Idea of artificial scarcity being imposed on digital objects is a damaging thing for society.

Ideas to explore:

Libraries as a free resource could be reframed as a human right within a community.

Librarians as local community tummelers around information.

Joanne McNeill

This sounds tangential to the sort of idea that Greg McVerry and I have noodled around with in the past.

<small><cite class='h-cite via'>ᔥ <span class='p-author h-card'>Darius Kazemi</span> in Darius Kazemi: "In just a couple hours I'll be speaking with @jom…" - Friend Camp (<time class='dt-published'>04/28/2021 10:19:27</time>)</cite></small>

This is an intriguing question that I've seen a few different times:

Where is the IndieWeb?

Perhaps worth writing an essay to describe where to find some of these sites if you wanted to interact with them.

Include

• chat names
• indie map lists
• web ring

Part of it is how you define IndieWeb. What are those potential criteria.

Here's a great example of a person who wants some of the UI niceties provided by onboarding for new users. This can be incredibly important for people who are new to the platform.

On the flip side, it's much easier to do for a social media platform like Twitter which only does one or two things. It can be far harder for platforms like WordPress which have a lot more complexity or uses and require personas or use-types to do this well.

Given some of the press Substack has gotten in the past few months, I think there's more to be said for actively leaving Substack to move to WordPress or some other platform where you can use your own domain name and content.

Congratulations on the move!

I'll be a bit on the late side, but I'll try to make this around 11 am my time.

Yunaru.com source code. Follow anyone. Blog anything.

This looks like the sort of project that @judell @dwhly @remikalir and the Hypothes.is team may appreciate, if nothing else but for the user interface set up and interactions.

I'll have to spin up a copy shortly to take a look under the hood.

I totally get where Jacy is coming from.

It's difficult to try to be all things to all people, particularly when they have so many diverse needs/wants and there are so many options for various levels of technical expertise.

It's like teaching algebra to a 4th grader, an 8th grader and an advanced graduate student. They all need dramatically different textbooks for their different levels of sophistication.

Could this maybe be used when publishing content on third party sites to ping your own website?

This would be a great feature for IndieWeb creators to consider.

Idea: Implement a slow web week for the IndieWeb, perhaps to coincide with the summit at the end of the week.

People eschew reading material from social media and only consume from websites and personal blogs for a week. The tough part is how to implement actually doing this. Many people would have a tough time finding interesting reading material in a short time. What are good discovery endpoints for that? WordPress.com's reader? Perhaps support from feed reader community?

This is a fun reason to have more than one website.

Again, a piece that nudges me to thing that a local-based IndieWeb provider/solution would be a good one. Either co-op based, journalism-based, or library-based.

The IndieWeb is very much this.

@ajlkn has several related projects including this one:

• https://carrd.co/build
• https://pixelarity.com/

Might be an interesting experiment to make one or more of them IndieWeb friendly and create a set up to dovetail one or more of them in with the GitHub pages set up.

<small><cite class='h-cite via'>ᔥ <span class='p-author h-card'>James Van Dyne</span> in James Van Dyne on Twitter: "VERY fun hack: using lazy loading turbo-frames as a queue in dom. Each row needs to be imported. Frame source is api (returns html) and loads when visible. Scroll the page and one-by-one it imports your images. ZERO JS. #IndieWeb https://t.co/LOk0tq08tO https://t.co/lJ2hh1tDf3" / Twitter (<time class='dt-published'>03/29/2021 15:45:00</time>)</cite></small>

There's been occasional talk in the IndieWeb chat about recipes that have long boring pre-stories and don't get to the point.

This is one of the first examples I've seen of a food blog that has a "Jump to Recipe" button and a "Print Recipe" button right at the top for those who are in a hurry, or who have read the post previously.

Will look for other examples...

I've seen a few people with websites that have a grouping of some of their past posts to help orient new readers into their way of thinking and understanding to help provide common grounding for new readers.

Colin Walker is an example that has had one in the past, but it looks like the move from WordPress to his new system, the original link to that data is gone now. His page was called "required" and an archived version of his example(s) can be found archived here: https://web.archive.org/web/2020*/https://colinwalker.blog/required/

It's kind of cool that he's got a streak counter for his posts.

A great thing to want on a website! A tiny hint of phatic interaction amongst internet denizens.

And you could go a few feet farther if you added fragment support to the site, then the browser would also autoscroll to that part. Then you could add a confetti cannon to the system and have the page rain down confetti when more than three people have highlighted the same section!

I'm sort of wishing that we could also have social media co-ops. I suspect that there are a few on Mastodon that operate like this, but it would be interesting to see some focused around in-person communities as well.

Why couldn't my local library run a town/city-based social media co-op?

For this matter, why couldn't my local news co-op also run it's own social media platform?

This is an interesting point about longevity of content. It's definitely a good reason to email it out as well as to post it on your own website and archive it all at the same time.

This makes me wonder if anyone else is keeping newsletterrolls?

This rings very true to me and is a definite benefit of composing things within my own domain rather than too quickly within a social silo's interface.

Definitely a great reason for the IndieWeb principle of make what you need.

This is very IndieWeb in flavor.

It reminds me of Stanley Meyer who would read newspapers and magazines every day and cut out articles which he put into envelopes for his friends and children and mailed out every couple of weeks. Essentially his own newsletter, but by snail mail.

I like the design and set up for this feature. Perhaps something for the IndieWeb to pick up? In some sense the implementation of Webmention-based likes, bookmarks, and facepiled mentions on my site is just this sort of design.

The anecdotal evidence that there was little harassment is a positive sign for creating such a thing.

This is a cool little DNS and subdomain related tool. Who knew I had this many subdomains?!

Does IoT then really stand for IndieWeb of Things?

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<small><cite class='h-cite via'>ᔥ <span class='p-author h-card'>Rachel Coldicutt</span> in Delinquent Telephone Activity. Let’s make a scene and rebel against… | Mar, 2021 | Medium (<time class='dt-published'>03/20/2021 19:07:57</time>)</cite></small>

A complicated and messy essay underlining the fact that people can figure out how to use technology in off-label ways to better humanity rather than sitting back on the intended uses of these tools.

I definitely want to reference this in my presentation part of my workshop for "A Twitter of Our Own" for OERxDomains21.

off label uses of technology are important

I'm reminded of how Kicks Condor has appreciated my "people work" in the past.

Can we leverage these data points to follow a movement like Meatless Monday to encourage people to not use Facebook two days a week to cause this data analysis to crash?

Anything that is measured can be gamed. But there's also the issue of a moving target because Facebook will change it's target which then means the community activism will need to change it's target as well. (This may be fine if the point is community engagement and education as the overall mission, in which case the changing target continually engages people and brings in new people to consider what is happening and why.)

How can the IndieWeb as a group do this piece better? Perhaps it comes down to individual sub-providers which is fine, but if the larger group can do it from the top down...

An interesting re-framing of the social media problem. Similar to the IndieWeb philosophy, but a bit more pointed.

via Jeremy Felt

This could be an interesting plugin for limiting audience on parts of posts.

This covers a lot of material in the other article I read this morning.

I really like this and want to figure out way to do it on my own website. It could be fun to tuck it in with the weather and location data I'm already collecting.

Summary of moving from in person to online events a year ago.

I like her admonition to consider welcoming new people to a community in an online only space.

Try to avoid in-jokes. Make space for more phatic communication. Make considerations for parents, particularly around mealtimes and bedtimes.

Ravi outlines some of how he syndicates from his Drupal website to Twitter.

I particularly appreciated that he's using a sort of taxonomy within Drupal to add some of his particular content to "books" which aggregate related content together. If this were done in an editable outline then it should be easier to aggregate and edit later into an actual book. This would be a cool UI to have within a website for writing and creating.

How does integrity fit into the IndieWeb space? Particularly as it scales and more people depend on a small number of developers and designers.

<small><cite class='h-cite via'>ᔥ <span class='p-author h-card'>Aram Zucker-Scharff</span> in Ernie Smith on Twitter: "You don’t need Substack. Today’s @readtedium explains how you can self-host your newsletter on the cheap: https://t.co/yp2tLBRS4a" / Twitter (<time class='dt-published'>03/18/2021 23:48:57</time>)</cite></small>

This is the short version of what Substack is and why people want to use it.

We have built strong communities on social platforms

They have? Really?! I think it's more likely the social platforms have built strong communities which happen to be talking about and sharing the papers content. The paper doesn't have any content moderation or control capabilities on any of these platforms.

Now it may be the case that there are a broader diversity of voices on those platforms over their own comments sections. This means that a small proportion of potential trolls won't drown out the signal over the noise as may happen in their comments sections online.

If the paper is really listening on the other platforms, how are they doing it? Isn't reading some or all of it a large portion of content moderation? How do they get notifications of people mentioning them (is it only direct @mentions)?

Couldn't/wouldn't an IndieWeb version of this help them or work better.

think also "move slow and fix things"...

It took me a while to see this too. Many report that attending law school is really just learning a different way of seeing and approaching the world. IndieWeb has been much like this for me. It provides a different and often useful framing for approaching problems, not just with regard to the web, but to life in general.

Maybe the underlying principle of the IndieWeb here is allowing all people and websites to have equality and equity across website boundaries?

From another perspective, websites are their own things. No website is any better than another. Websites aren't races. There are no second-class or third-class websites.

There is more of the latter than the former to be certain, but I don't think it's by design.

Many of the people there are already experts in some of these sub-areas, so there aren't as many questions on those fronts. Often there are other resources that are also better for these issues and links to them can be found within the wiki.

The social portions are far more difficult, so this is where folks are a bit more focused.

I think when the community grows, we'll see more of these questions about CSS, HTML, and accessibility. (In fact I wish more people were concerned about accessibility and why it was important.)

Of course, the great thing about IndieWeb ideas is that if I ever do have that problem, a tool is already available. And if you have that problem right now, you just need to open up the IndieWeb toolkit and pull it out.

You don't buy the hardware store because it's there, you visit it to get the right tool for the right job.

The IndieWeb isn't a checklist, it's a smörgåsbord from which you can take (only) what you need.

This simple phrase can be an important framing for many.

An important point.

How can we better message this to new comers?

How can the community do better at lowering this bar?

There are many things people are used to doing online and there's at least a common visual grammar for that. A parallel may be for the grammar of movies and television. Everyone knows and feels a smash cut when they see it, but many may not know the word for it. Which bits of jargon are necessary and which are unnecessary?

Example: There are many sub versions of the idea of syndication. Syndication in and out, which is relatively simple, but we've got half a dozen bits of jargon depending on one's perspective and what the sources and targets are. These are helpful for those of us who specialize and study the space, but are dreadful for the every day user who will use words like cross-post or syndicate instead. While the reframing to prioritize syndicating out from one's site is useful, perhaps it's easier to say that in more words and not with all the other subtleties.

This looks like a great IndieWeb friendly WordPress theme.

Colin has indicated that it's got microformats support with more to come.

<small><cite class='h-cite via'>ᔥ <span class='p-author h-card'>Colin Devroe</span> in Colin Devroe (<time class='dt-published'>03/12/2021 04:58:57</time>)</cite></small>

Based on experience with Pingbacks, the Webmention specification requires the sending site to have a mentioning URL on a publicly available web page. This requirement by itself cuts down significantly on spam as it increases the cost of sending it. (Pingbacks/Trackbacks didn't have this requirement so it was easy to programmatically spew spam in all directions.) In addition to this, there's no requirement to show the received Webmention, so there's less benefit to some spammers in these cases.

Many people who do receive and display them have separate mechanisms to moderate them before display, which also tends to minimize spam. Other sites that support Webmentions also dovetail with anti-spam services like Akismet which can help filter out spam out as well.

And this is all without anyone adding the Vouch extension to the Webmention spec.

Keep in mind that webmention.io is just a third party service to allow sites to use and leverage Webmention notifications without needing to write any code. Many major CMSes like WordPress, Drupal, Craft, WithKnown, et al. either support the spec out of the box or with plugins/modules. Each of these can also leverage anti-spam methods they have available separately. As an example of this, the WordPress plugin has an allow list for automatically approving webmentions from sites one regularly communicates with.

The idea of Webmentions has been around for almost a decade, and the spec has been a W3C recommendation since 2017. Only one suspected case of Webmention spam has been reported in the wild in that time. I'd conservatively estimate that with 10,000+ independent websites sending/receiving over 2 million Webmentions in the past several years, it's not a bad start. For more details, ideas, and brainstorming for your potential use-cases see also: https://indieweb.org/spam

This warms the cockles of my heart.

I watched Ru work incredibly hard and diligently over many months to implement what she'd done. I wish I could do half of it, but I can definitely commiserate.

Can't wait to see what you come up with in the coming year with the extra time you'll have gained not only from the switch, but everything else you've learned in the process.

An interesting framing for having your own website.

This could be an interesting feature for a personal website/blog. A generator that takes pre-existing taxonomies from one's website and suggests combinations of them as potential writing prompts when one has writer's block.

Creator popped up in IndieWeb chat. This sounds like an interesting project.

This is a clever and fun UI for implementing likes that seems on-brand for the website owner.

Why not? Why couldn't they put their articles on their own sites or even those of the libraries of their institutions where others might read and evaluate them? annotate them? argue over all the fine points?

This is cool to see. Now I'll have to take a look and test it out.

<small><cite class='h-cite via'>ᔥ <span class='p-author h-card'>Amanda J. Rush</span> in Amanda J. Rush on Twitter: "Add Microformats 2 to #GenesisWP child themes with a plugin by @remkusdevries https://t.co/8dBUvh0Rs0 #indieweb" / Twitter (<time class='dt-published'>02/24/2021 20:38:22</time>)</cite></small>

A fascinating and thoughtful article. One of the best things I've read in a month.

Written in 2010, this may be one of the first mentions I've seen that relates blogging and websites to commonplace books.

I'm going to have to circle back to this for a proper response.

A revamp on the Beaker Browser/Dat work to do something more than p2p tweets/notes.

Amen!

Media companies are spending huge amounts of time investing in social media, but they're also simultaneously renting their audiences back.

Who rents a $350/month apartment and then spends $5,000 a month sprucing it up?

via IndieWeb chat o/a 2021-02-08 copy of older version at https://gopher.floodgap.com/gopher/gw?ascraeus.org/0/phlog/041.txt

Interesting to look at this idea from the perspective of the IndieWeb community that owns and operates its own community spaces that are aggregated around a wiki and chat, but which overflow into the web itself.

How does this relate to my idea of A Twitter of Our Own?

Platforms specifically for communities could be an interesting new object on the Internet. What sorts of IndieWeb building blocks would one use to build them? Are there new functionalities that they might have that aren't in the list of building blocks yet?

I could see functionality like signing in with one's website using IndieAuth to access private content being a piece.

A long, but worthwhile read. This goes into some valuable ideas about public spaces that the typical article on the independent web doesn't explore.

<small><cite class='h-cite via'>ᔥ <span class='p-author h-card'>Fluffy</span> in Notes: All Our Selves In One Basket (<time class='dt-published'>2021-01-31 12:31:00 </time>)</cite></small>

Many in the IndieWeb have already prototyped this using some open web standards. It's embodied in the idea of media fragments and fragmentions, a portmanteau of the words fragment and Webmention.

A great example can be found at https://www.kartikprabhu.com/articles/marginalia

This reminds me that I need to kick my own server to fix the functionality on my main site and potentially add it to a few others.

This makes me wonder at what level a founder community can manage to maintain its founder effects for incoming new members?

Is there existing research on this? Are there potential ways to guard against it in the future?

What happens to the IndieWeb community if it were to see similar effects?

Someone suggesting government run social media. There are potential problems, but I'm definitely in for public libraries doing this sort of work/hosting/maintenance.

Mobirise looks like an interesting IndieWeb-ish sort of tool for relative beginners. It also looks like it dovetails with Github Pages.

I'm reading this and can't help but think it's sort of what Jack Jamieson did in writing his recent thesis Independent Together: Building and Maintaining Values in a Distributed Web Infrastructure.

It's definitely the sort of thing that Maggie Appleton may appreciate.

There is another approach (or two or more). The IndieWeb approach is another framing which isn't included in the two listed here, though it does have a few hints of "fixing the Internet" since they have created some new web recommendations through the W3C.

Circling back to this, his definition of fix the Internet is talking about almost exactly IndieWeb.

This has some interesting research which might be applied to better design for an IndieWeb social space.

I'd prefer a more positive framing rather than this likely more negative one.

In addition to the racism solutions, this is also a useful framing for those designing better social media interactions within the IndieWeb.

Lots of good references here about deplatforming. Also an important question at the bottom about what the IndieWeb may need to think about in the very near future.

Selecciono todas las páginas terminadas en .md en un folder en particular y excluyo algunas que no me interesan.

Para esto hay dos principios:

• POSSE: Publish on your Own Site, Sidicate Everywhere: Publica en tu propio sitio y sindica en todos lados.
• PESOS: Publish Everywhere, Sidicate on your Own Site.