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  2. Dec 2024
    1. Tim Ferris posting a text by Gabriel Wyner from 2014 on learning a new language in several steps 1) hear the novel sounds in the language and how to spell them 2) learn a list of basic words by connecting them to their image not their translatiojn 3) learn (simplified) grammar 4) continue the game (adding focused vocab, reading, listening speaking etc)

    2. My book, Fluent Forever: How to learn any language fast and never forget it, is an in-depth journey into the language learning process, full of tips, guidelines and research into the most efficient methods for learning and retaining foreign languages.

      [[Fluent Forever by Gabriel Wyner]] 2014. vgl [[7 talen in 7 dagen door Gaston Dorren]] which starts more with grammar and reading comprehension actually.

    3. Fluency in speech is not the ability to know every word and grammatical formation in a language; it’s the ability to use whatever words and grammar you know to say whatever’s on your mind. When you go to a pharmacy and ask for “That thing you swallow to make your head not have so much pain,” or “The medicine that makes my nose stop dripping water” – THAT is fluency. As soon as you can deftly dance around the words you don’t know, you are effectively fluent in your target language. This turns out to be a learned skill, and you practice it in only one situation: When you try to say something, you don’t know the words to say it, and you force yourself to say it in your target language anyways. If you want to build fluency as efficiently as possible, put yourself in situations that are challenging, situations in which you don’t know the words you need. And every time that happens, stay in your target language no matter what.

      speaking fluency comes from staying in the target language.

    4. Podcasts and radio broadcasts are usually too hard for an intermediate learner. Movies, too, can be frustrating, because you may not understand what’s going on

      suggests podcasts, movies, and radio are too hard to follow at intermediate level.

    5. Reading:  Books boost your vocabulary whether or not you stop every 10 seconds to look up a word. So instead of torturously plodding through some famous piece of literature with a dictionary, do this: Find a book in a genre that you actually like (The Harry Potter translations are reliably great!) Find and read a chapter-by-chapter summary of it in your target language (you’ll often find them on Wikipedia). This is where you can look up and make flashcards for some key words, if you’d like. Find an audiobook for your book. Listen to that audiobook while reading along, and don’t stop, even when you don’t understand everything. The audiobook will help push you through, you’ll have read an entire book, and you’ll find that it was downright pleasurable by the end.

      Reading to deepen understanding suggests any book and go through, find online chapter summaries in target langauge, listen to audiobook while reading it, as it forces you along.

    6. Vocabulary Customization:  Learning the top 1000 words in your target language is a slam-dunk in terms of efficiency, but what about the next thousand words? And the thousand after that? When do frequency lists stop paying dividends? Generally, I’d suggest stopping somewhere between word #1000 and word #2000. At that point, you’ll get better gains by customizing. What do you want your language to do? If you want to order food at a restaurant, learn food vocabulary. If you plan to go to a foreign university, learn academic vocabulary

      Adding to vocabulary has diminishing returns if you go by freq of usage after 1k-2k words. Use thematic lists for your purposes. E.g. [[% Interessevelden 20200523102304]] as starting point. Then go back to the flashcards w images used before. I can see building sets like these.

    7. Stage 4: The Language Game 3 Months (or as long as you want to keep playing)

      Stage 4 is the deepening / getting to fluency bit. Reinforced by actual usage. Either through adding more vocab, reading texts, listening to speakers etc.

    8. On its surface, Google Images is a humble image search engine. But hiding beneath that surface is a language-learning goldmine: billions of illustrated example sentences, which are both searchable and machine translatable

      Suggest that google image headlines are a good source of additional example sentences for grammar learning, as it includes machine translation in the search results on mouse over. Grabs those sentences for flash cards. I think the time used to make the cards may well be the key intervention.

    9. How do you learn all the complicated bits of “My homework was eaten by my dog”? Simple: Use the explanations and translations in your grammar book to understand what a sentence means, and then use flashcards to memorize that sentence’s component parts, like this:

      Suggests making flashcards for each of the three types of changes, in any given example. allows speeding up compared to the book, as you do them w visuals on flash cards, and the spaced rep takes out most examples in a grammar book, leaving you with the repetition you need only.

    10. n every single language, grammar is conveyed using some combination of three basic operations: grammar adds words (You like it -> Do you like it?), it changes existing words (I eat it -> I ate it), or it changes the order of those words (This is nice -> Is this nice?). That’s it. It’s all we can do. And that lets us break sentences down into grammatical chunks that are very easy to memorize.

      Boils grammar down to adding words, changing existing words, changing the order of words. Allows [[Chunking 20210312215715]] that makes it easier to memorise.

    11. 2-3 months Now it’s time to crack open your grammar book. And when you do, you’ll notice some interesting things: First, you’ll find that you’ve built a rock-solid foundation in the spelling and pronunciation system of your language. You won’t even need to think about spelling anymore, which will allow you to focus exclusively on the grammar. Second, you’ll find that you already know most of the words in your textbook’s example sentences. You learned the most frequent words in Stage 2, after all. All you need to do now is discover how your language puts those words together.

      3rd stage is the grammar. Suggests using a book, but with the advantage of already knowing the words and spelling of any examples, allowing focus on the grammar. Takes 2-3 months.

    12. To begin any language, I suggest starting with the most common, concrete words,

      Suggestion to start learning words with a basic list. Author compiled a list of 625. See [[A Base Vocabulary List for Any Language 20241208160954]]

      Suggests the basic list takes about 1-2 months

    13. These are words that are common in every language and can be learned using pictures, rather than translations: words like dog, ball, to eat, red, to jump. Your goal is two-fold: first, when you learn these words, you’re reinforcing the sound and spelling foundation you built in the first stage, and second, you’re learning to think in your target language.

      Use flashcards with images to learn words in a new language. Skip the translation part. Also reinforces the visual/spatial brain connection. Search images in the target language not with the translation, so subtle diffs in meaning are maintained.

    14. Spelling is the easiest part of this process. Nearly every grammar book comes with a list of example words for every spelling. Take that list and make flashcards to learn the spelling system of your language, using pictures and native speaker recordings to make those example words easier to remember.

      To learn spelling find a grammar book that has lists of examples. Turn those into flashcards for spelling.

      Flashcards are the primary mnemonic tactic in this article.

    15. This gives you a few super powers: your well-trained ears will give your listening comprehension a huge boost from the start, and  your mouth will be producing accurate sounds. By doing this in the beginning, you’re going to save yourself a great deal of time, since you won’t have to unlearn bad pronunciation habits later on. You’ll find that native speakers will actually speak with you in their language, rather than switching to English at the earliest opportunity.

      Hearing and pronunciation tackled upfront makes you sound more fluent. Prevents the effect of never getting a chance to use it bc others switch to your language.

    16. Once your ears begin to cooperate, mastering pronunciation becomes a lot easier.

      listening precedes pronouncing. Vgl how I 'suddenly' heard the begin and end of words in Vorarlbergerisch and then quickly learned to speak it too.

    17. to rewire your ears to hear new sounds, you need to find pairs of similar sounds, listen to one of them at random (“tyuk!”), guess which one you thought you heard (“Was it ‘gyuk’?”), and get immediate feedback as to whether you were right (“Nope! It was tyuk!”). When you go through this cycle, your ears adapt, and the foreign sounds of a new language will rapidly become familiar and recognizable.

      this sounds like an impossible step if you are indeed foreign to a language. How would you ever find such pairings? The vid doesn't say other than describe a feedback system to learn to hear new nuances. I think perhaps using DeepL or some such to read texts to me would help.

    18. If I had rushed ahead and started learning words and grammar immediately, I’d have been at a severe disadvantage whenever I learned words with those letter combinations, because I’d be missing the sound connection when trying to build memories for those words

      being familiar with the sound of pronunciation will help better memorise the words later. Adding a sense to the memory. Vgl [[Fenomenologie Husserl 20200924110518]]

    19. Spelling and Sound: Learn how to hear, produce and spell the sounds of your target language

      Create a foundation for spelling and sounds, to get a feel/sense of it, making it less 'other'.

    1. Vid of learning to hear diff in novel sounds in foreign language you can't easily tell apart. Find them in a language. Have a script play them to you randomly and choose an answer. Feedback will bring you up from random to about 80% being right. Rewiring your brain to hear the differences. I bet non-anglo speakers wiill find this easier as they are never accomodated outside their own country.

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    1. Theoretically interested readers should therefore follow the advice of learning as many languages as possible in such a way that they have at least passive mastery of them and thus can read and understand them.

      Interesting, Luhmann recommends to know many languages so as to prevent the pitfalls of translational errors in conveying meaning when it is to read translated books. So read books in their original language.

  6. Mar 2024
    1. This morning I ran across a copy of Jane Austen's novel Emma with some of the keywords on each page translated into Welsh as footnotes at the bottom of the page. Apparently it's part of a series of classic books published by Icon into a variety of different languages and meant for language learners.

      The full list of their titles with Welsh can be found here: Webster's Welsh Thesaurus Editions

      I'm curious if anyone has used these before, and if so, how helpful they've found them for building their Welsh vocabulary as they read English language works.

      Is anyone aware of Welsh language books that have this sort of English vocabulary cross listed on the page? (Sort of the way in which lingo.360.cymru has news stories in Welsh with English translation help along the way?)

      syndication link: https://en.forum.saysomethingin.com/t/websters-welsh-thesaurus-editions/40131

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    1. Wu, Prabhumoye, Yeon Min, Bisk, Salakhutdinov, Azaria, Mitchell and Li. "SPRING: GPT-4 Out-performs RL Algorithms byStudying Papers and Reasoning". Arxiv preprint arXiv:2305.15486v2, May, 2023.

    1. Training language models to follow instructionswith human feedback

      Original Paper for discussion of the Reinforcement Learning with Human Feedback algorithm.

  9. Mar 2023
    1. Learning has to be knowledge. 00:10:07 And learning has to be based on understanding. And what you understand you can absorb, internalize and it becomes knowledge. What you know, you don't forget. You can block something that you know, but not forget.
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    1. Interleaving is a learning technique that involves mixing together different topics or forms of practice, in order to facilitate learning. For example, if a student uses interleaving while preparing for an exam, they can mix up different types of questions, rather than study only one type of question at a time.Interleaving, which is sometimes referred to as mixed practice or varied practice, is contrasted with blocked practice (sometimes referred to as specific practice), which involves focusing on only a single topic or form of practice at a time.

      Interleaving (aka mixed practice or varied practice) is a learning strategy that involves mixing different topics, ideas, or forms of practice to improve outcomes as well as overall productivity. Its opposite and less effective strategy is blocking (or block study or specific practice) which focuses instead on working on limited topics or single forms of practice at the same time.


      This may be one of the values of of the Say Something In Welsh method which interleaves various new nouns and verbs as well as verb tenses in focused practice.

      Compare this with the block form which would instead focus on lists of nouns in a single session and then at a later time lists of verbs in a more rote fashion. Integrating things together in a broader variety requires more work, but is also much more productive in the long run.

    1. the more effort they had to put into the study strategy, the less they felt they were learning.

      misinterpreted-effort hypothesis: the amount of effort one puts into studying is inversely proportional to how much one feels they learn.


      Is this why the Says Something In Welsh system works so well? Because it requires so much mental work and effort in short spans of time? Particularly in relation to Duolingo which seems easier?

    1. New insights on infant word learning

      infant word learning

    2. "The idea is that over long periods of time, traces of memory for visual objects are being built up slowly in the neocortex," Clerkin said. "When a word is spoken at a specific moment and the memory trace is also reactivated close in time to the name, this mechanism allows the infants to make a connection rapidly." The researchers said their work also has significant implications for machine learning researchers who are designing and building artificial intelligence to recognize object categories. That work, which focuses on how names teach categories, requires massive amounts of training for machine learning systems to even approach human object recognition. The implication of the infant pathway in this study suggests a new approach to machine learning, in which training is structured more like the natural environment, and object categories are learned first without labels, after which they are linked to labels.

      visual objects are encoded into memory over a long period of time until it becomes familiar. When a word is spoken when the memory trace associated with the visual object is reactivated, connection between word and visual object is made rapidly.

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    1. fact, Woices, iSpeech and Voki can be used for the post-listening stage. You may decide, for example, to have your learners create their own Voki as a response. T

      Just additional resources for the language learners.

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  27. Jul 2019
    1. Hanauer (2012) contends that “language learning within these settings is defined overwhelmingly in linguistic, structural, and cognitive terms. Thus the language learner at the center of this system becomes nothing more than an intellectual entity involved in an assessable cognitive process” (p. 105). In this assessable cognitive instruction, students are not afforded the opportunity to use English as a social semiotic tool for expressing their own personal feelings (emotions), opinions, and stories as lived experience as well as for enacting social practices.

  28. Nov 2018
    1. English Teachers' Barriers to the Use of Computer-assisted Language Learning

      This article discusses the use of Computer-assisted Language Learning (CALL) technologies to teach English. Each stage of learning aligns with a level of computer technology. There are also many barriers that impede the process of integrating the CALL into the classroom, which include financial, access to hardware and software, teacher training, technical knowledge, and acceptance of technology.

      RATING: 8/10

  29. Jul 2017
    1. Email does not afford synchronous communication in the way that a phone call, a face-to-face conversation, or instant messaging does. Nor does email afford the conveyance of subtleties of tone, intent, or mood possible with face-to-face communication.

      extremely important when "negocioation of meaning" is at play

    1. The “connected” in connected learning is about human connection as well as tapping the power of connected technologies.

      I found this very true for languages learners, specially foreign languages. The purpose of language is comunication, for a foreign language classroom, conections to real people gives meaning to the class and those connections would not be possible without the use of technology.

    1. Language, to me, is a mystery because I haven’t studied it but, I know there’s loads of literature out there, and we know in general that kids learn language differently from adults and that people can learn a language by immersion rather than by any direct instruction in grammar or anything. It’s interesting that the term literacies is used with reference to language acquisition, and we use it in digital literacies. One common aspect of literacies which also came up in earlier conversations with Sally, was my belief that digital literacies could only be (really) learned socially, as with language.

      Cognitive skills vs Physical skills when learning languages

  30. Apr 2017
    1. In turn, this child’s statement may shift the teacher’s learning and encourage her or him to recreate or extend this same experience to another area of study in the curriculum.

      I hadn't thought about this aspect of discourse: not just the various context the content but of the experience of learning itself, how a teacher responds to student work, how that work is set up in the first place.

      I think hypothes.is is particularly useful in relation to this type of context in the way it makes certain previously hidden aspects of learning visible...

  31. Mar 2017
    1. Res ear ch often isolates particular pieces of the complex puzzle in order to study them in detail. However useful this may be, it obscures the dynamism of the actual teaching and learning work that goes on, and cannot show the emergent and contingent nature of that work

      So is one example of this the teaching of vocabulary and grammar out of context of authentic reading and conversation?

    2. There must be room in a learning environment for a variety of expressions of agency to flourish.

      Love this.

    3. However, in order to make significant progress, and to make enduring strides in terms of setting objectives, pursuing goals and moving towards lifelong learning, learners need to make choices and employ agency in more self-direct ed ways.

      This is just what Naoko is doing by allowing students to choose their topics of research within the context of a language learning course.

    4. Agency is therefore a central concept in learning, at many levels an in many manifestations. It is a more general and more profound concept than the closely related terms autonomy, motivation and investment. One might say that autonomy, motivation and investment are in a sense products (or manifestations) of a person’s agency.

      Interesting.

    5. the multilayered nature of interaction and language use, in all their complexity and as a network of interdependencies among all the elements in the setting, not only at the social level, but also at the physical and symbolic level

      Does this map to literary theory in any way?...

    6. any utterance can carry several layers of meaning

      And all those layers can be visualized through annotation: vocabulary, cultural context...

    7. “layer ed simultaneity.”

      Love that phrase.

    8. I like to use this image to illustrate that any utterance has a number of layers of meaning. It refers not only to the here and now, but also to the past and the future of the person or persons involved in the speech event, to the world around us, and to the identity that the speaker projects.

      Wow. Annotation fits quite nicely here as helping to visualize these layers in a slightly more user-friendly way than Escher.

    9. and they are dynamic and emergent, never finished or absolute.

      Come on, "not-yet-ness" (Collier).

    10. ecologically valid contexts, relationships, agency, motivation and identity.
    11. ecological perspective,

      Everything is inter-related. Language cannot be learned out of context, out of community.

  32. Oct 2016
    1. bring languages into our schools—our Native languages and many more; it spreads our language around

      its true they need to preserve the languages so more ppl learn it and so it won't die

    2. allowing it to offer dual-language instruction

      offering more instruction=more children to learn

  33. Nov 2014
    1. This deck contains all must-have basic Esperanto rootwords as suggested by the editorial team of the magazine Kontakto.

      That sounds good. I aim to get fluent this semester!