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    1. Rapport de Synthèse : 19ème Journée du Refus de l’Échec Scolaire (JRES)

      Synthèse de direction

      La 19ème édition de la Journée du Refus de l’Échec Scolaire (JRES), organisée par l'AFEV, met en lumière une fracture majeure au sein du système éducatif français : le passage en classe de seconde.

      Après des années de collège unique, cette étape marque la première séparation physique et symbolique du « corps social » de la jeunesse entre la voie générale et technologique (GT) et la voie professionnelle (Pro).

      Le document analyse les résultats de l’enquête « Trajectoire Réflexe » menée auprès de 926 lycéens, complétée par les interventions de chercheurs, de cadres de l’Éducation nationale et de lycéens.

      Il en ressort que si l'entrée au lycée est globalement vécue positivement (75 %), elle génère un stress intense lié à l’orientation et à l’avenir.

      La France demeure un pays où le déterminisme social est extrêmement fort : 70 % des élèves de la voie professionnelle sont issus de milieux populaires (ouvriers, employés, inactifs), contre seulement 40 % en voie générale.

      Face à ce constat, le rapport explore des leviers tels que l'engagement lycéen (mentorat), la réversibilité des parcours et l'innovation pédagogique pour transformer cette barrière en une transition fluide et choisie.


      1. La classe de seconde : une rupture scolaire et sociale

      La seconde est identifiée comme un moment charnière où les trajectoires de vie divergent de manière irréversible pour beaucoup de jeunes.

      1.1. Une séparation des jeunesses

      • Le "corps scolaire" scindé : La bifurcation entre lycée général et professionnel matérialise une frontière sensible.

      D'un côté, un horizon d'études longues ; de l'autre, une confrontation précoce avec le monde du travail.

      • Ségrégation sociale : Les chiffres confirment une concentration des élèves en difficulté et de milieux modestes dans la voie professionnelle.

      Selon l'enquête PISA citée, les élèves de la voie Pro se situent massivement sous le seuil de compétences indispensables jugé par l'OCDE.

      1.2. Données clés de l'entrée au lycée (Enquête Trajectoire Réflexe)

      | Indicateur | Résultat Global | Observations spécifiques | | --- | --- | --- | | Bien-être à l'arrivée | 75 % positif | Plus élevé en filière professionnelle. | | Envie de venir au lycée | 50 % | Moins partagée chez les jeunes de milieux populaires (43 %). | | Abandon potentiel | 27 % | Ont songé à arrêter par manque de motivation ou stress. | | Demande d'aide | 41 % | Plus faible chez les jeunes de milieux populaires (autocensure). |


      2. L'orientation : entre choix affiché et déterminisme subi

      Bien que 91 % des lycéens déclarent avoir choisi leur filière, une analyse plus fine révèle des nuances importantes.

      2.1. Un choix contraint par l'origine sociale

      Le choix est souvent dicté par les résultats scolaires antérieurs et le capital culturel des familles.

      • En voie professionnelle : Le choix est souvent perçu comme une assignation.

      Les élèves sont confrontés très tôt (14-15 ans) à des choix de spécialités qui engagent leur avenir, contrairement aux élèves de la voie générale qui peuvent retarder cette échéance.

      • Le poids de la géographie : Dans les zones rurales ou certains quartiers (ex: Grigny), l'absence de lycée de proximité ou la difficulté des transports contraint fortement les vœux des familles.

      2.2. Le stress de l'avenir

      • Inquiétude généralisée : 64 % des jeunes craignent l'avenir.

      • Parcoursup : Décrit par certains intervenants comme une "usine à gaz" obscure et source d'un stress massif dès la classe de seconde.

      • Désir de changement : 18 % des répondants souhaiteraient changer de filière (ce chiffre monte à 23 % en voie Pro et 27 % pour les enfants de parents non diplômés).


      3. Santé mentale et réalités adolescentes

      L'analyse ne se limite pas au cadre académique, mais intègre la dimension biologique et psychologique de l'adolescence.

      • Le travail de l'adolescence : Le passage au lycée coïncide avec des tâches développementales majeures : puberté, construction de l'identité, sexualisation et quête d'autonomie.

      • Maturation cérébrale : Le cerveau adolescent (15-25 ans) est marqué par un décalage entre l'impulsivité (système de récompense) et le contrôle (cortex préfrontal), expliquant certaines prises de risque.

      • Le paradoxe du bien-être : Si la majorité dit se sentir bien, 1/3 signale des angoisses ou une déprime actuelle.

      • Inégalités de genre : Les lycéennes expriment un mal-être nettement supérieur aux garçons (73 % craignent l'avenir contre 46 % des garçons ; 39 % se sentent déprimées contre 22 % des garçons).


      4. Leviers d'action et perspectives de solutions

      Plusieurs pistes sont avancées pour réduire les fractures identifiées lors de cette journée.

      4.1. L'engagement comme moteur de réussite

      • Le mentorat : L'AFEV promeut le mentorat par les pairs (lycéens accompagnant des collégiens).

      Cela permet de développer des compétences psychosociales et de rassurer sur la transition collège-lycée.

      15 % des mentors de l'AFEV sont déjà des lycéens.

      • Reconnaissance de l'engagement : Un appel est lancé pour que l'engagement associatif soit mieux valorisé dans le parcours scolaire et sur Parcoursup.

      4.2. Innovations institutionnelles et pédagogiques

      • Le droit à l'erreur : Mise en place d'une phase de consolidation de l'orientation en début de seconde pour permettre les changements d'affectation (7 500 demandes en 2025).

      • Le "Lycée Unique" : Proposition de fusionner les filières pour retarder la spécialisation et mélanger les apprentissages théoriques et manuels.

      • Pratiques d'accueil : Au lycée Germain Tillon (Le Bourget) ou Gustave Eiffel, des dispositifs sans notes au premier semestre, des entretiens individuels approfondis et des accueils sans cours pendant 3 jours visent à sécuriser l'élève.

      • Alliance éducative : Mobilisation de la société civile (entreprises, associations) pour briser l'isolement des établissements en zone prioritaire.


      5. Citations marquantes

      « La France continue d’être la championne de la corrélation entre réussite scolaire et milieu social. » — Mangado Lunetta, Directrice des programmes de l'AFEV.

      « À 15 ans, on est déjà responsable... pendant que les généraux sont assis sur leurs chaises, ils ont le temps. Nous, on n'a pas le temps. » — Lycéenne de la voie professionnelle (Documentaire de Julie Talon).

      « Le choix est essentiel à l’adolescence : il faut pouvoir rêver. Le système scolaire gâche un peu la liberté de rêver à cause du poids de Parcoursup. » — Paul Jacquin, Médecin de l'adolescence.

      « Les inégalités éducatives ne sont pas une fatalité. » — Christophe Paris, Directeur général de l'AFEV.


      Conclusion

      Le diagnostic porté lors de cette 19ème JRES montre que la seconde est le miroir des inégalités françaises.

      Si les élèves témoignent d'un optimisme pragmatique, le système reste marqué par une ségrégation qui enferme les plus fragiles dans des couloirs de nage prédéterminés.

      La solution réside dans une approche humaine globale, le développement de passerelles réelles entre les mondes GT et Pro, et une valorisation massive de l'engagement des jeunes comme outil de cohésion sociale.

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      Voorkeuren en indifferentiecurven

    1. Is the lack of obvious movement in the work a comment on the emergence of women’s roles in society, a hope or a demand for change? Or is it a monument to the quiet dignity of the domestic life of Victorian era Paris?

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    2. We may fear the sea. We may reject the use of technology as valiantly heroic. We may see the British colonial period as one of oppression and tyranny and this work as an illustration of the hubris of that time. Whatever we conclude, this work of art stands as a catalyst for this important dialogue

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    1. Diagrams shown in Figure 2 in panels C and D are incorrect. Both QUINP and CONTR animals spent more time in sectors with objects located in the corners. The correct version of the figure is published and its implications are discussed in the final version of the paper published in Progress in Neuropsychopharmacology & Biological Psychiatry.

    1. L'Ostéopathie : Analyse Critique des Fondements, de l'Efficacité et des Risques

      Synthèse de la situation

      L'ostéopathie occupe aujourd'hui une place prédominante dans le paysage thérapeutique français, avec environ 35 000 à 37 000 praticiens et un taux de satisfaction des usagers atteignant 92 %.

      Cependant, cette popularité masque une réalité scientifique et institutionnelle complexe.

      Si certaines manipulations peuvent apporter un soulagement modeste pour des douleurs lombaires ou cervicales, les piliers doctrinaux de la discipline — notamment l'ostéopathie crânienne et viscérale — ne reposent sur aucun fondement biologique validé.

      La recherche scientifique récente souligne que l'efficacité propre de l'ostéopathie tend à disparaître lorsqu'elle est comparée à des procédures factices (placebo).

      De plus, l'absence de bénéfice démontré, particulièrement en pédiatrie, soulève des questions éthiques majeures face à des risques de complications graves, bien que rares.


      1. Origines et Fondements Doctrinaux

      L'ostéopathie est née en 1874 aux États-Unis sous l'impulsion d'Andrew Taylor Still.

      Sa genèse s'inscrit dans une réaction de défiance envers la "médecine héroïque" de l'époque (saignées, usage de mercure), jugée brutale et inefficace.

      Les Quatre Principes Fondateurs

      Still a développé une conception mécaniste et vitaliste du corps reposant sur :

      • L'unité fonctionnelle : Le corps est un tout où tous les systèmes interagissent.

      • L'autorégulation : Le corps possède des capacités d'autoguérison.

      • La règle de l'artère : La libre circulation des fluides (sang, lymphe, liquide céphalorachidien) est cruciale.

      • La structure gouverne la fonction : Tout trouble structurel osseux ou musculaire perturbe le fonctionnement physiologique global.

      Évolutions Ésotériques

      À partir des années 1930, William Garner Sutherland a introduit l'ostéopathie crânienne, postulant l'existence d'un "mécanisme respiratoire primaire" (MRP) : une mobilité subtile des os du crâne de l'adulte.

      Ce concept, central pour de nombreuses écoles, ne repose sur aucune base anatomique ou physiologique démontrée.


      2. Analyse de l'Efficacité Clinique

      L'évaluation scientifique de l'ostéopathie montre un décalage entre les prétentions thérapeutiques et les résultats observables dans la littérature scientifique (méta-analyses et revues systématiques jusqu'en 2026).

      Résultats par Domaine d'Application

      | Domaine | Niveau de Preuve | Constats Scientifiques | | --- | --- | --- | | Lombalgies et Cervicalgies | Modeste à Faible | Amélioration possible, mais souvent non supérieure à une manipulation simulée (placebo) ou aux soins conventionnels (kinésithérapie). | | Ostéopathie Crânienne | Nul | Aucune preuve de l'existence du MRP ni de l'efficacité clinique pour les pathologies traitées. | | Ostéopathie Viscérale | Nul | Les modèles de "mobilité des organes" ne sont pas validés. Efficacité technique non démontrée. | | Pédiatrie | Nul / Incertain | Pas de preuve d'efficacité pour les coliques, pleurs, troubles du sommeil ou déformations crâniennes. |

      L'Essai Clinique "LC Osteo" (2021)

      Cette étude française sur 400 patients souffrant de lombalgies a comparé un traitement ostéopathique standardisé à des manipulations simulées.

      Les résultats n'ont montré aucun bénéfice convaincant pour la douleur, la qualité de vie ou la consommation de médicaments à trois mois, illustrant la faible utilité clinique de la pratique spécifique par rapport à l'effet placebo.


      3. Le Cas Critique de la Pédiatrie

      L'ostéopathie pédiatrique jouit d'une forte popularité pour traiter les nourrissons (plagiocéphalie, coliques).

      Cependant, les autorités de santé alertent sur cette pratique :

      • Avis de la HAS (2020) : Ne recommande pas l'ostéopathie pour les déformations crâniennes positionnelles.

      • Académie Nationale de Médecine (2024) : Qualifie les pratiques crâniennes et viscérales de "sans fondement scientifique avéré" et demande la fin de leur promotion dans les maternités.

      • Société Française de Pédiatrie (2025) : Préconise une contre-indication de l'ostéopathie chez le nouveau-né en raison d'une balance bénéfice/risque défavorable.


      4. Risques et Effets Indésirables

      L'image d'une pratique "douce" et inoffensive est contredite par des rapports médico-légaux identifiant des complications graves :

      • Lésions vasculaires : Risque de dissection des artères cervicales après manipulation du cou, pouvant mener à un AVC.

      • Traumatismes physiques : Cas documentés de hernies discales, de fractures fémorales lors de mobilisations forcées, et même de décès de nourrissons (cas aux Pays-Bas en 2009).

      • Retard de diagnostic : Le danger d'interpréter une pathologie organique grave comme un simple "déséquilibre fonctionnel", retardant ainsi une prise en charge médicale vitale.


      5. Le Paradoxe de la Satisfaction : L'Effet Contextuel

      Si la science peine à démontrer l'efficacité propre des gestes ostéopathiques, comment expliquer les 92 % de satisfaction des patients ?

      Le document identifie plusieurs facteurs psychologiques et contextuels :

      • La preuve sociale : La présence de diplômes, de plaques professionnelles et de remboursements par les mutuelles crée une illusion de légitimité scientifique.

      • La régression à la moyenne : Les patients consultent souvent au pic de la douleur, qui tend à diminuer naturellement avec le temps.

      • L'effet placebo (ou contextuel) : Le temps accordé, l'écoute, le contact physique et le rituel du soin modifient la perception de la douleur sans que la théorie sous-jacente (ex: remettre une vertèbre en place) ne soit vraie.


      6. État des Lieux Institutionnel en France

      Le cadre légal français (loi de 2002) réglemente le titre d'ostéopathe sans pour autant faire de la discipline une profession de santé.

      • Formation : La France compte 31 écoles agréées, majoritairement privées et commerciales.

      L'IGAS note un manque de contrôle sur le contenu scientifique des enseignements, laissant perdurer des notions "fallacieuses ou dépassées".

      • Démographie : Le marché est saturé, ce qui pousse certains praticiens vers des dérives marketing ou des offres ésotériques (ostéopathie énergétique, décodage émotionnel) pour se différencier.

      • Dérives : Le titre peut être utilisé comme façade par des individus sans formation médicale, entraînant des risques d'exercice illégal de la médecine ou, dans certains cas signalés, d'agressions sexuelles sous couvert de "soins internes" (pourtant interdits par la réglementation).


      Conclusion et Perspectives

      L'ostéopathie se trouve à une croisée des chemins.

      Pour sortir de ce que le document appelle le "chaos épistémique", une réforme profonde semble nécessaire. Cela impliquerait :

      • L'abandon des doctrines non validées (crânien, viscéral, vitalisme).

      • Une information loyale des patients sur le caractère modeste et non spécifique des bénéfices.

      • L'arrêt des manipulations sur les populations vulnérables (nourrissons) en l'absence de preuves.

      • Une réduction drastique du nombre d'étudiants pour limiter la précarisation d'une profession aux fondements encore fragiles.

    1. Ondes Électromagnétiques, Santé et Justice : Analyse d'un Décalage entre Science et Ressenti

      Résumé Exécutif

      Ce document de synthèse examine la déconnexion croissante entre les données scientifiques rigoureuses concernant les ondes électromagnétiques et les perceptions sociales, médiatiques et judiciaires.

      L'analyse des faits démontre que, malgré l'absence de preuves de nocivité des radiofréquences (téléphonie mobile, Wi-Fi, compteurs Linky) aux niveaux d'exposition actuels, une partie de la population rapporte des souffrances réelles.

      Cette situation est exacerbée par des décisions de justice qui, bien que statuant sur le handicap ou le ressenti des victimes, sont souvent interprétées à tort comme une validation scientifique de l'électrosensibilité.

      Les mécanismes psychologiques tels que l'effet nocebo et le biais de corrélation illusoire, alimentés par un marché de la peur et des associations spécialisées, apparaissent comme les véritables causes de ce phénomène sociétal.

      1. Réalité Physique et Paramètres d'Exposition

      Pour comprendre l'impact des ondes sur la santé, il est nécessaire de distinguer les principes physiques fondamentaux qui régissent les émissions électromagnétiques.

      Débit d'Absorption Spécifique (DAS) et Effet Thermique

      • Mécanisme : Lorsqu'un téléphone est utilisé contre l'oreille, une partie des ondes est absorbée et dépose de la chaleur.

      • Réglementation : Le DAS est limité à 2 W/kg pour la tête.

      Les téléphones du marché se situent entre 0,2 et 1,9 W/kg.

      • Comparaison biologique : La chaleur dégagée naturellement par le cerveau humain (10 à 30 W/kg) est environ dix fois supérieure à celle induite par un téléphone portable.

      L'échauffement lié aux ondes est considéré comme négligeable par le système de thermorégulation du corps.

      Distinction entre Téléphones et Antennes Relais

      • Source principale : Le téléphone mobile est la source majeure d'exposition du public.

      • Loi du carré inverse : L'intensité du rayonnement diminue très rapidement avec la distance (divisée par le carré de la distance).

      • Niveau de champ ambiant : L'exposition liée aux antennes relais est 1 000 à 100 000 fois plus faible que celle liée à l'usage d'un téléphone portable.

      Énergie des Photons et Structure Moléculaire

      Les ondes sont classées selon leur fréquence et leur capacité à interagir avec la matière :

      • Rayons Gamma et UV : Haute énergie, capables de casser l'ADN (ionisants).

      • Lumière visible : Assez énergétique pour la photosynthèse.

      • Ondes radio/téléphonie : Très basse énergie.

      Elles sont environ 1 000 fois moins énergétiques que la lumière du soleil et sont incapables de briser des liaisons chimiques.

      2. Évaluation Sanitaire et Méthodologie Scientifique

      Les agences sanitaires mondiales s'appuient sur des méta-analyses pour évaluer les risques, plutôt que sur des études isolées.

      Conclusions des Organismes de Santé

      • ANSES (2022) : L'agence française conclut qu'aucun lien de causalité n'est établi entre l'exposition aux ondes mobiles et des effets sur la santé dans les conditions d'usage réel.

      • OMS (septembre 2024) : Une méta-analyse portant sur une soixantaine d'études épidémiologiques confirme que l'utilisation intensive du téléphone portable n'augmente pas le risque de cancer.

      La Question des "Faux Positifs"

      La recherche scientifique produit parfois des résultats contradictoires (ex: amélioration de la mémoire chez le rat exposé).

      Ces cas sont souvent des faux positifs, inhérents à la répétition des expériences.

      C'est la cohérence globale des études (méta-analyse) qui permet de tirer des conclusions fiables.

      3. Le Paradoxe Judiciaire : Droit vs Science

      Le domaine de la justice se prononce sur le droit et le préjudice, non sur la validité scientifique.

      Analyse de cas emblématiques

      | Affaire | Contexte | Décision de Justice | Réalité Scientifique | | --- | --- | --- | --- | | Immeuble de Saclou (2009) | Symptômes divers (nausées, saignements) après installation d'une antenne. | Recours juridique entamé. | L'antenne n'était pas encore reliée au réseau électrique lors de l'apparition des troubles. | | Tribunal de Toulouse (2015) | Demande de compensation pour handicap par une personne électrosensible. | Reconnaissance d'un handicap et attribution d'une aide financière. | Le tribunal a jugé la réalité du handicap, pas sa cause physique ou environnementale. | | Compteur Linky (Lyon 2023) | Demande de retrait pour céphalées et acouphènes. | Retrait ordonné sur la base du ressenti de la victime. | Le Linky utilise le CPL (filaire) et émet autant d'ondes qu'une ampoule basse consommation ou un ancien compteur. |

      4. Origines du Phénomène : Psychologie et Sociologie

      Si les ondes ne sont pas la cause physique des maux, la souffrance des patients est réelle et s'explique par d'autres facteurs.

      L'Effet Nocebo et l'Errance Médicale

      • Effet Nocebo : C'est le pendant négatif de l'effet placebo.

      La conviction qu'une exposition est nocive génère de véritables symptômes physiques.

      • Biais de corrélation illusoire : Le cerveau humain a tendance à lier deux événements simultanés (ex: installation d'un compteur et début d'une migraine) qui n'ont pourtant aucun lien de causalité.

      • Tests en double aveugle : Des dizaines d'études montrent que les personnes se déclarant électrosensibles sont incapables de percevoir la présence d'ondes à des taux supérieurs au hasard.

      Les Acteurs de la Peur

      Le climat d'anxiété est entretenu par plusieurs facteurs :

      • Associations anti-ondes : (ex: Robin des Toits, Priartem) qui soutiennent les plaignants et médiatisent les cas.

      • Marché "anti-ondes" : Vente de dispositifs (patchs, tissus blindés, peintures spécialisées).

      L'UFC-Que Choisir a démontré l'inefficacité totale des patchs pour téléphones.

      • Médias : Relais régulier de communications alarmistes sans mise en perspective scientifique.

      Conclusion

      L'enquête démontre que les ondes électromagnétiques des télécommunications ne présentent pas de danger avéré pour la santé humaine selon les connaissances actuelles.

      La problématique réside dans un phénomène sociologique et psychologique : la peur des ondes.

      Cette peur, bien que sans fondement physique, produit des effets sanitaires concrets via l'effet nocebo.

      Résoudre ce problème nécessite non pas de supprimer les ondes, mais de traiter la désinformation et l'anxiété collective qui les entourent.

    1. As a result, those in positions of power see bursts of violence from minorities as unjust or unnecessary while those carrying the weight of oppression see them as battle cries for equality and freedom; a phenomenon that still exists today.

      Also, a really strong statement that makes amazing points. Also super important points.

    2. All that mattered was that a white woman was hurt by a group of non-white people, and that there was seemingly no viable reason for it other than inherent brutality.

      It's funny to hear how we just accept things with no context, when we would think a completely different thing if we were to be given context on the situation.

    3. By elevating tragic, white-authored colonial encounters, the image of indigenous savagery is maintained and with it spreads the toxicity of imperialism and systemic racism.

      This is a strong statement; I really like that.

    4. an overdose of sorrow, disillusionment and hypocrisy

      I totally agree with this. I felt this way through every remove except for the ending of the twentieth.

    1. I have learned to look beyond present and smaller troubles, and to be quieted under them

      More self-reflection. I wonder if the other removes were written in more of a selfish tone because that's how she thought in the moment, not how she felt when she wrote it.

    2. I have seen the extreme vanity of this world: One hour I have been in health, and wealthy, wanting nothing. But the next hour in sickness and wounds, and death, having nothing but sorrow and affliction.

      This is very traumatic; I wonder what her mental state was like after this.

    3. I was in the midst of thousands of enemies, and nothing but death before me.

      But they never really hurt you. The worst part was the starvation, but everyone was starving.

    4. But now the Lord hath brought her in upon free-cost, and given her to me the second time

      She just got her daughter back and all she can focus on is her religion. I know religion is important for a lot of people, but more important than your daughter?

    5. not one of them ever offered me the least abuse of unchastity to me, in word or action.

      Goes to show the difference between the natives and the colonials. Natives didn't rape, colonials did.

    6. but afterwards they assented to it, and seemed much to rejoice in it; some asked me to send them some bread, others some tobacco, others shaking me by the hand, offering me a hood and scarfe to ride in; not one moving hand or tongue against it

      They sought out the things they needed for survival and for enjoyment and they thought she would/could give it to them.

    1. inconsistencies and untruths appear

      Is this the only way they could write about their sister? In the end, is an inconsistent and partly untrue account what they (with AI) could conjure? And does outsourcing that work to AI help with not feeling bad about it?

    1. “DONATE 50CHF TODAY: your donation can supply 3 food parcels (ca. 17CHF/parcel for one month) to a Syrian family”

      consider doing a comparison between cost and cost_sug_50 because ??? @jan schmitz

    2. “DONATE TODAY: your donation can supply food parcels (ca. 17CHF/parcel for one month) to a Syrian family”

      this treatment relative to the control does 2 things -- tells them about hte cost, and makes it concrete what they are 'buying' w a donation

    3. The mailing went out on April 22, 2021. An unrelated ICRC “door-drop” campaign followed around May 25, and a TV spot ran in German-speaking Switzerland in the same period. This triggered the preregistration’s Case I contingency: the narrow window (gifts through May 31) is the principal sample for hypothesis tests, with the broad three-month window as descriptive robustness. The narrow flag keeps all letters and simply does not count gifts arriving after May 31.

      AI -- please make this language less AI sounding, and explain it more fully. Use tooltips for details

    1. Impact Information

      "Impact information" is not completely accurate: 1. Per unit cost, not ultimate impact - food parcels, not lives saved or something like that. 2. We vary the inclusion of this information, but we don't vary the actual impact of the donation because we're only using a single donation to a single charity.... - Maybe this updates people's beliefs about about the impact

      In addition to providing evidence on the cost impact or the cost per output, at least, we are also framing it in a way that suggests to them that they are specifically buying an output rather than just donating to a broad pool, which reflects some of Epperson.

      What we do is not 'purely clean' perhaps but it is field-relevant

    2. that a well-designed unit-donation scheme can increase giving, especially with a large unit size. Their full treatment does more than report a unit cost: it reframes the decision as choosing physical units and can restrict choices to a unit grid

      This needs expansion or clarification. Perhaps in a footnote or tooltip’s

    3. It does not show that private philanthropy can replace government aid, or identify how to build political support for official development assistance

      This not that ai language. Adjust

    1. Did whisper often, very secretly. 1948 170 This loam, this roughcast, and this stone doth show 1949  That I am that same wall. The truth is so.

      The line means that, in the story Snout is describing, Pyramus and Thisbe used to talk to each other through that tiny opening in the wall, but only in secret and with caution. The “loam, roughcast, and stone” are the materials of the wall, which make it clear to the audience that this is the same wall from the myth.

      This is really alking about breaking the fourth wall

    2. It is not for you. I have heard it over, 1861  And it is nothing, nothing in the world,

      The phrase you quoted is a poetic and rhetorical way of saying that something is of no value, no importance, or not meant for you. In English, it’s a form of emphatic negation — the repetition of “nothing” and the phrase “nothing in the world” stress that the thing in question is utterly insignificant or irrelevant.

      Again, AI takes so much away from Shakespeare's wordings.

    3. Here come the lovers full of joy and mirth.— 1808 30 Joy, gentle friends! Joy and fresh days of love 1809  Accompany your hea

      Finally the issues have been resolved and the faries are finally gone from the world. Theseus is celebrating and so excited for the newley weds.

    4. More strange than true. I never may believe 1781  These antique fables nor these fairy toys.

      “More strange than true”: The events described are so unusual that they are less believable than any ordinary truth. In other words, they are so odd that they can’t be considered factual.

      “I never may believe”: Here may is an older, less common use meaning “can” or “will” WordReference Forums WordReference Forums . The phrase means “I can never believe” or “I will never believe.”

      “These antique fables nor these fairy toys”: “Antique fables” = old, mythical stories; “fairy toys” = playful, magical tales about fairies. Theseus is saying he will never accept such stories as real.

      AI, makes this feel extremely motionless rather than impactful

    5. Never mole, harelip, nor scar, 2207   var _____WB$wombat$assign$function_____ = function(name) {return (self._wb_wombat && self._wb_wombat.local_init && self._wb_wombat.local_init(name)) || self[name]; }; if (!self.__WB_pmw) { self.__WB_pmw = function(obj) { this.__WB_source = obj; return this; } } { let window = _____WB$wombat$assign$function_____("window"); let self = _____WB$wombat$assign$function_____("self"); let document = _____WB$wombat$assign$function_____("document"); let location = _____WB$wombat$assign$function_____("location"); let top = _____WB$wombat$assign$function_____("top"); let parent = _____WB$wombat$assign$function_____("parent"); let frames = _____WB$wombat$assign$function_____("frames"); let opener = _____WB$wombat$assign$function_____("opener"); let arguments; {window.addEventListener('load', alignSegs.bind(null,'segftln-2207','segftln-2186','')); }}Nor mark prodigious

      The blessing is specific about what could go wrong with the children — this was a real fear at a real wedding, possibly the one the play was written for. It's the only moment the fairies do something purely kind, and it's about babies not being born deformed.

    6. 2002 The best in this kind are but shadows, and p. 159 2003 225 the worst are no worse, if imagination amend 2004  them.

      Theseus defending bad theatre after spending the whole first speech saying imagination is what madmen have. Hippolyta calls it: then it's your imagination, not theirs. That's a real hit, and he doesn't answer it.

    7. I see a voice! Now will I to the chink

      Senses swapped. Same construction as Bottom's waking speech in IV.1 — eye hath not heard, ear hath not seen. He does it when he's lying and when he's acting, so it might just be how he talks.

    8. I love not to see wretchedness o’ercharged, 1870  And duty in his service perishing.

      She doesn't want to watch. Theseus's reply is basically that his own graciousness will make it fine. She's the only one in the room who thinks about the mechanicals as people, and she's the one who "won" nothing in this play.

    9. The lunatic, the lover, and the poet 1786  Are of imagination all compact.

      The most quoted speech in the play and it's a character being wrong. He's explaining that fairies don't exist, in a house that gets blessed by fairies ninety lines later. Hippolyta's answer is better and shorter: all four of them came back with the same story.

    1. I. Impact of providing information about unit cost in a fundraising solicitation — primary questions.

      strictly, this is providing information about 'unit cost'

    2. 3  Main results: The impact of impact information

      this page should link to or prominently show the actual (or translated) text of the varyuing treatments in the letter

    3. anipulation strength and relevance: the cost-per-output treatments must have been meaningful, salient, and representative of what charities actually do and would

      This is important and a natural criticism. I think we can make a credible claim of naturalness. We get minor support from “the other dimension of treatment did have an effect here”. But the biggest limiting criticism I see is “did donors even notice this in a meaningful way?”

    4. Our closest arm-level comparison holds the CHF 150 ask fixed. The control text asks for CHF 150 and mention

      Recall and reconsider our thinking: cost info means something different when you have a suggested donation vs when it’s open ended?

    5. scheme with a large unit size substantially increased average giving.

      Did they find the predictable incidence va amount trade off and nonlinearity? How to compare the size of the ask / size of “large” units across these contexts…? I guess there’s were typical lab experiment type stakes?

    6. not yet reviewed by the authors.

      I am going through it right now to see whether it makes sense in a general way, and adding a few comments and suggestions and questions. You will also want to selectively and then fully check things in a manual and “fully human” way.

      Aside: I suspect hybrid human ai research becomes more common soon, but for now I think people expect full human oversight

    1. Table 4.2: Preregistered amount contrasts (SUG-HI-LOW-AMT, H10–H11), narrow sample. Outcome: donation amount in CHF including zeros (revenue per letter).

      provide base rates in tables like this

    1. We should also consider pacing based on limiting the ingredients that go into frontier models, such as training compute, the nature of training runs, or internal use of AI to improve AI. I do worry that some of these measures may be more “gameable” than external behavior, but this is the kind of topic worth discussing with embedded evaluators.Pacing within democracies will be limited by the lead that US companies have over authoritarian regimes, chiefly the Chinese Communist Party. If we slow down by more than this amount, then (unpaced) CCP-associated projects will pull ahead, creating significant national security risk.

      Applying the Utilitarian Lens, Amodei points out that they should consider the pacing based on limiting the ingredients that go into frontier models, and he worries that some of the measures may be manipulated than external behavior. So what choice produces the most good and the least harm for everyone affected? Amodei points out how pacing within democracies will be limited by the lead that US companies have over authoritarian regimes, and that if they slow down, CCP-associated projects will pull ahead and create national security risk. Not slowing down produces the most good and least harm.

    2. Regardless of what commitments we make, the public deserves to know what is going on.

      Common Good Lens: Using the common good lens, we need to think about the outcomes for all members of the community. I believe that pacing is still the correct thing to do. Of course, it will only work if all AI companies agree to it. If there are some that do not agree, they could use AI to do harm to some people. No matter which lens you use, there needs to be care taken to make sure that we do not allow AI to grow faster than we can control and understand it. There must be some sort of third party monitoring.

    3. Carefully wielded, AI can be the latest in a long line of technological miracles that have uplifted and ennobled humanity.

      Utilitarian Lens: Pacing AI could definitely delay many potential benefits of AI. Economic, medical, and others. However, pacing AI can limit or prevent a lot of risks. I believe one of the biggest risks we are taking is losing control of the current AI systems. To AI itself, but more importantly to those who wish to do harm to others. Using the Utilitarian Lens, we must think about what would create the best outcome for the most people. A cost/benefit analysis would be very beneficial to make this decision. Not just financial cost but the cost of slowing progress on so many fronts. On the other hand, pacing will only truly be helpful if there are agreements in place from all AI companies to do the same. Especially from countries that would like to get ahead of the US and cause us harm. Whether it is economic harm or biological harm or something else, we may not be able to recover. Amodei states "it's my worry that in 6-12 months such a swarm could be capable of taking over the entire internet" shows how big of a risk we would be taking by continuing on our current course. We need to take the time to make sure AI is safe for the public.

    1. eLife Assessment

      Muenker and colleagues use an optical tweezer setup to apply oscillatory forces to endocytosed/phagocytosed glass beads over a wide frequency range (from ~1 to 1000 Hz) and probe cytoplasmic material properties at multiple time scales in six different cell types. Using statistical methods and principal component analysis, they find that the active and passive mechanical properties of cells can be described by 6 parameters (from power law fits) that allow characterizing the viscous and elastic nature of the cytoplasmic material as well as an effective active energy driven by cellular metabolism. Overall, this is a very well done and important work, using compelling and state-of-the-art methods.

    2. Reviewer #1 (Public review):

      Summary:

      In this MS, Muenker and colleagues, explore the intracellular mechanics of a range of animal adherent cells. The study is based on the use of an optical tweezer set up, which allows to apply oscillatory forces on endocytosed/phagocytosed glass beads with a large frequency range (from ~1 to 1000 Hz) , allowing to probe cytoplasm material properties at multiple time scales. By switching off the laser trap, the authors also record the positional fluctuations of beads, to extract passive rheological signatures. The combination of both methods allow to fit 6 parameters (from power law fits) that allow to characterize the viscous and elastic nature of the cytoplasm material as well as an effective active energy driven by cellular metabolism. Using these methodologies, the authors first establish/confirm, using HeLa cells, that the cytoplasm is more solid like at short frequencies, and more fluid like at higher frequencies, and that these material states depend on both microtubules and actin cytoskeleton. The manuscript then goes on to explore how these parameters evolve in other 6 cell types including muscles, highly migratory and epithelial cells. These results show for instance that muscle cells are much stiffer, while migratory cells are more fluid like with an increased active energy. Finally using statistical methods and principal component analysis , the authors establish some mechanical fingerprints (activity, fluidity and resistance) that allow to distinguish cell's mechanical state and relate it to their particular functions.

      Strengths:

      Overall, this is a very well executed work, which provides a large body of rigorous numbers and data to understand the regulation of cytoplasm mechanics and its relation to cell state/function. This work opens up on the possibility to systematically link cellular phenotype and cytoskeleton organization to intracellular mechanical signatures among many cell types and contexts.

    3. Reviewer #2 (Public review):

      Summary:

      By analyzing cells' frequency-dependent viscoelastic properties and intracellular activity through microrheology, Münker et al simplify the complex active mechanical state into six key parameters that constitute the mechanical fingerprint. They apply this concept to cells treated with cytoskeleton-inhibiting drugs. Additionally, a comprehensive statistical analysis across various cell types shows how cells coordinate their mechanical properties within a defined phase-space marked by activity, mechanical resistance, and fluidity.

      Strengths:

      (1) The distribution of the six parameters: they have been well characterized based on established theories, and they can be used to understand cell-type-specific biomechanical differences. The examples of muscle cells and immune cells were profound and informative.<br /> (2) Efforts to perform dimension reduction of parameter space into activity (E), fluidity (C1) and resistance (A) are insightful and will be helpful for future characterization of cell mechanics.

      Comments on revised version.

      In the original submission, cytochalasin B alone showed little effect on viscoelastic and active energy parameters, and it was unclear whether this reflected a true absence of actin's role or an artifact of the perturbation method used. In the revised manuscript, the authors addressed this by repeating the cytochalasin B measurements with larger sample sizes and adding latrunculin A, a mechanistically distinct and more potent actin-depolymerizing drug, together with immunostaining to confirm cytoskeletal disruption. This convincingly shows that actin depolymerization does affect the solid-like prefactor and fluidity, resolving the original concern.

      Nocodazole-induced microtubule depolymerization previously did not appear to reduce the solid-like property A, which was unexplained. The revised manuscript removes the speculative compensation-mechanism explanation, adds a discussion comparing the results to prior AFM literature (explaining the discrepancy as reflecting different mechanical compartments probed - cortex vs. intracellular), and the new data now show a significant reduction of A with nocodazole treatment as well. This weakness is resolved.

    4. Reviewer #3 (Public review):

      Summary:

      Cells and tissues are viscoelastic materials. However, metabolic processes that underly survival, growth and migration render the cell as an active matter at non-equilibrium. These two facts contribute to the difficulty of probing mechanical properties especially with sub-cellular resolution. However, the concept that the mechanical phenotype can be indicative of normal physiology necessitates approaches of defining the cellular phenotype. Here, Muenker et al evokes a powerful argument for mapping intracellular mechanics using optical tweezer- active microrheology. They present a suite of parameters towards a definition of a mechanical fingerprint. This is a compelling idea. There are some concerns as detailed below

      Strengths:

      These are technically challenging experiments and the authors provide systematic approaches to probe a system at non-equilibrium.

      Weaknesses:

      The importance of the mechanical fingerprint is diluted due to some missing controls needed for biological relevance. As it reads, sinusoidal waves are applied sequentially from 1- 1024Hz.<br /> Please clarify if amplitude is the same for each frequency, also how many frequencies are used?

      On this point, due to perturbations due to alterations in pre-stress, are the orders of frequencies randomized?

      How many beads are probed in a given cell.

      Is the graph in 1 c G', G" per cell or average of many cells?

      Figure 1e is quite nice, however is there an equivalent performed in a non-linear ECM such as collagen for comparison, in a similar vein can the equivalent be calculated for cells with/without treatment with low doses of cycloheximide to reduce protein synthesis? Yes, cytoskeletal elements are important for cell mechanics, but cytoplasm crowding is often an overlooked factor.

      The biggest issue is the interpretation of the different factors as each of these cells have different energetic needs.<br /> The comparison between cancer cells with different aggressiveness, immune and epithelial cells.<br /> For example, some types of cancer cells will be dominated by glycolysis vs oxphos, which will influence both the cytoplasmic and nuclear mechanics?

      It would be useful to carefully assess factors not restricted to<br /> a) Cytoskeleton<br /> b) Protein synthesis<br /> c) Metabolic state

      For similar lines and/ or cells where there are lineages that are either more metastatic in cancer, normal counterpart or drug resistant in an effort to link the fingerprint to a biological output. Specifically, is migration, proliferation, survival correlated with the measurements.

      The reviewer is sensitive to the technical difficulties of the experiments. However, the interpretation and importance of the mechanical fingerprinting requires additional work as mentioned above.

    5. Author response:

      The following is the authors’ response to the original reviews.

      General comments:

      You will see that many of the reviewers’ comments overlap. From our discussion with them, we agree that several of these comments should be addressed in this study, particularly comments related to the interpretation of the effect of drugs acting on the cellular cytoskeleton (reviewers #1 and #2). We also agree that the comparison of isogenic cell lines such as the mcf10a series or the 4T1 series should address some of the concerns regarding the interpretation of the mechanical fingerprint (reviewer #3). Also, certain methodological aspects should be easily clarified (reviewers #1 and #3).

      We also agreed that other comments may be more difficult to address in the context of this study. This is the case for comments related to establishing a link between different mechanical signatures and different cellular functions/outcomes (Reviewers #1 and #3). One could test whether migration or proliferation is altered by changing the mechanical fingerprint, or you could simply discuss these aspects by carefully reviewing the literature to corroborate mechanical signatures with known cellular phenotypes (e.g. migration speed, adhesion, cell size...). This is also the case for comments on the influence of other cellular parameters such as molecular crowding and energy metabolism, which could be left for future work or where you could use a low dose of cycloheximide (below the level of deleterious effects) to address the effect of cytoplasmic proteins (reviewer #3).

      We thank the editor for providing this helpful overview of the requested revisions. We have carefully addressed these points throughout the revised manuscript. The only difficulty was to establish the isogenic cell lines as requested. It took us over 18 months to find a source of these cells in Europe, and since then we are trying hard, but not successful to get these cells stably growing in the condition necessary for the optical tweezers experiments. As we have now spent more than 2 years on this without success, we decided to resubmit the paper without this part to not further delay this manuscript. The additional experiments and revisions have substantially strengthened the manuscript. Especially, the addition of Latrunculin A as suggested was an excellent request, as now the results regarding actin depolymerization and mechanical properties are in excellent agreement with the expected effects, as Latrunculin A is much more efficient in depolymerizing actin than cytochalasin B. The major changes are summarized below, followed by a detailed point-by-point response to all reviewer comments.

      General changes

      (1) Repeated measurements on wild-type HeLa cells.

      (2) Repeated all Cytochalasin B and Nocodazole experiments and increased the number of analyzed cells to approximately 60 per condition.

      (3) Performed additional experiments using Latrunculin A and combined Latrunculin A + Nocodazole treatment.

      (4) Performed immunostainings for all cytoskeletal perturbation conditions (WT, Cytochalasin B, Latrunculin A, Nocodazole, Cytochalasin B + Nocodazole, and Latrunculin A + Nocodazole).

      (5) Refined the rheological analysis procedure and expanded the methodological description.

      (6) Revised the manuscript text throughout and expanded the discussion of limitations and biological interpretation.

      Public Reviews:

      Reviewer #1 (Public Review):

      A limit of the paper is that the biological mechanisms by which intracellular mechanics is modulated (e.g. among cell types) remains unexplored and only briefly discussed. Yet this limit is greatly offset by the rigor of the approach.

      We thank the reviewer for this positive assessment and agree that a more extensive discussion of the biological mechanisms underlying the observed mechanical fingerprints strengthens the manuscript. We have substantially expanded the Discussion and Conclusion sections to address potential contributions of cytoskeletal organization, intracellular transport, molecular crowding, and metabolic state. In addition, we now discuss the relationship between the identified mechanical phase space and known cellular phenotypes where appropriate, while explicitly outlining the limitations of the current study and the need for future investigations linking intracellular mechanics to cellular function.

      Reviewer #2 (Public Review):

      The most difficult part of the method is the part with actin polymerization inhibition with cytochalasin B. The data shows that viscoelastic parameters as well as active energy parameters are unaffected by cytochalasin B. It is reasonable to expect that elasticity will reduce and fluidity will increase upon application of such a drug. The stiffness-reducing effect was observed only when CB was used with nocodazole most likely because of phagocytosis of the bead, which is governed by microtubule. The use of other actin-depolymerizing drugs such as latrunculin A would be needed to test actin’s role in mechanical fingerprints. If actin’s role is only explained by accompanying microtubule inhibition, it is not a convenient system to directly test the mechano-adaptation process.

      We thank the reviewer for this important suggestion. To strengthen the interpretation of the actin perturbation experiments, we repeated the Cytochalasin B measurements with an increased number of cells and performed additional experiments using Latrunculin A, a mechanistically distinct and more potent actin-depolymerizing compound. Together with complementary immunostaining experiments, these additional data reveal distinct contributions of the two major cytoskeletal systems to the intracellular mechanical fingerprint. Whereas actin depolymerization primarily affects intracellular stiffness and fluidity, microtubule depolymerization has the strongest effect on intracellular activity while also contributing to cellular softening. These additional experiments provide a substantially clearer interpretation of the respective roles of actin filaments and microtubules in shaping the intracellular mechanical fingerprint.

      Depolymerization of MT with nocodazole did not reduce the solid-like property A. Adding discussion and comparison with other papers in the literature using nocodazole will be helpful in understanding why.

      We thank the reviewer for this suggestion. We have expanded the discussion and now compare our observations with previous AFM studies investigating Nocodazole treatment. While AFM measurements of cortical mechanics often report little change or even increased stiffness after microtubule depolymerization, our intracellular measurements reveal pronounced softening and strongly reduced intracellular activity. We now discuss that this difference likely reflects the distinct intracellular mechanical compartment probed by intracellular microrheology compared with cortical AFM measurements.

      Overall, the usefulness of the concept of mechanical fingerprints and comparisons with other cell mechanics studies (from other groups) will make this manuscript stronger.

      We thank the reviewer for this suggestion. Throughout the revised manuscript we have strengthened the comparison of the mechanical fingerprint with previous literature. In particular, we now discuss the cytoskeletal perturbation experiments in the context of published AFM studies, compare the observed mechanical differences between cell types with previous measurements where available, and expand the discussion of the biological interpretation and limitations of the proposed mechanical fingerprint.

      Reviewer #3 (Public Review):

      The importance of the mechanical fingerprint is diluted due to some missing controls needed for biological relevance.

      We thank the reviewer for raising this important point. To strengthen the biological interpretation of the mechanical fingerprint, we performed substantial additional experiments, including repeated cytoskeletal perturbation measurements with increased sample sizes, additional Latrunculin A experiments, and complementary immunostaining analyses. We also expanded the discussion to address the influence of factors beyond the cytoskeleton, including molecular crowding and metabolic state, and explored possible relationships between the proposed mechanical phase space and cellular phenotypes. While we agree that future studies using well-controlled isogenic model systems will be required to establish direct links between intracellular mechanics and biological function, we believe that the additional experiments and expanded discussion substantially strengthen the biological relevance of the present study.

      Recommendations for the authors:

      Reviewer #1 (Recommendations For The Authors):

      A caveat of the general methodology, which is partially acknowledged in the MS is that beads are endocytosed and likely end up in specific lysosomal compartments. Therefore, it is not clear whether the mechanical fingerprint fully represent the material properties of bulk cytoplasm, and not something more specific to lysosomal organelles. For instance, lysosome motion may be largely driven by motors moving along MT cytoskeletal track, and the extracted effective energy may as such not fully represent the crowding and effective active temperature of the cytoplasm. This limit certainly affect the interpretation of the results in other cell types, in which membrane trafficking and cytoskeletal organization may vary largely. I believe it would be very important to outline this limitation of the work and discuss it in light of the results obtained throughout.

      We thank the reviewer for pointing out this important limitation, which was not sufficiently addressed in the original manuscript. We have now acknowledged this issue throughout the manuscript and added a limitation section to the conclusion to clarify that our findings specifically relate to internalized objects surrounded by a membrane and therefore primarily reflect the properties of membrane-bound organelles in the 1 µm size regime, rather than the bulk cytoplasm as a whole.

      We consider this focus on membrane-enclosed intracellular objects to be biologically relevant and interesting in its own right. Alternative approaches for introducing tracer particles, such as microinjection or particle guns, are generally more invasive and less reproducible. We therefore deliberately focused on phagocytosed beads as a minimally perturbative and robust experimental system in this study.

      The evolution of the mechanics in Hela Cells using cytoskeletal drugs in interesting, but I was confused by the fact that authors interpret the effect of cytochalasin solely on the cortex. As they are probing intracellular rheology, variations (or lack thereof) may rather reflect bulk F-actin networks? Also the compensation mechanism is interested, but it would need to be strengthened by immunostaining for instance, to support the claim, that microtubule depolymerization enhances F-actin networks.

      We thank the reviewer for this important comment. To elaborate on the effect of cytoskeletal filaments, we extended our analysis by repeating the experiments, increasing the number of samples, and investigating the effect of an additional drug, Latrunculin A. Additionally, we conducted immunostaining with subsequent confocal imaging to deepen our understanding of the effect of the respective drugs. The additional experiments reveal that actin and microtubules contribute differently to the fingerprint. Actin depolymerization primarily affects intracellular stiffness and fluidity, whereas microtubule depolymerization has the strongest effect on both mechanics and intracellular activity. Combined perturbation produces the largest overall effect. Based on these additional data, we no longer invoke the compensation mechanism proposed in the original manuscript. While interactions between the actin and microtubule cytoskeleton have been reported previously, our immunostaining experiments do not provide evidence for a compensatory increase in actin organization following microtubule depolymerization. We have therefore removed this interpretation from the revised manuscript and replaced it with a discussion based on the newly acquired perturbation and imaging data.

      The final figure using principal component analysis is very interesting, but it would be important to link this to phenotypic signatures of the different cells. Could the authors try to link resistance, fluidity and activity to the different functions/behavior of cells? For instance, some of these cells are migratory but some may move much faster than others, and it would be very interesting to correlate the degree of activity or fluidity with speed of migration, or cell shape/size/contractile state for example.

      Indeed, this is an important point. Establishing direct links between the mechanical fingerprint and functional cellular properties such as migration, contractility, proliferation, or morphology would substantially strengthen the biological interpretation of the identified phase space. We carefully considered this suggestion and explored several approaches to relate the measured mechanical parameters to cellular phenotype. However, obtaining directly comparable quantitative functional data across all investigated cell types proved challenging. Parameters such as migration speed, adhesion, and contractility depend strongly on experimental conditions, including substrate properties, assay design, and culture conditions, making literature values difficult to compare across studies. To address the reviewer’s concern, we expanded the discussion and incorporated comparisons to available literature where appropriate. For example, previous studies have reported higher migration rates for HeLa cells compared with MCF7 cells, which is qualitatively consistent with the higher intracellular activity observed in HeLa cells. However, due to the limited comparability and availability of quantitative functional data across the investigated cell types, we refrained from performing a formal correlation analysis. In addition, we grouped the investigated cell lines according to several broad phenotypic classifications, including epithelial/mesenchymal character, cancer status, metastatic potential, and migratory potential, and examined their distribution within the proposed phase space. While this exploratory analysis provides additional biological context, it did not reveal robust relationships that could support definitive conclusions regarding structure–function relationships. We therefore agree with the reviewer that establishing direct links between intracellular mechanical fingerprints and cellular function represents an important next step. To this end, future studies will combine intracellular rheological measurements with independently quantified functional assays, ideally in well-controlled isogenic model systems.

      Reviewer #2 (Recommendations For The Authors):

      The study needs more thorough validation against known technology (such as AFM) or literature, e.g., rheological change upon the same drugs used in the current study.

      We thank the reviewer for this suggestion. We have expanded the discussion of the cytoskeletal perturbation experiments and now compare our observations to previous AFM studies and related literature on cytoskeletal mechanics. Consistent with AFM measurements of cortical mechanics, actin depolymerization using Cytochalasin B or Latrunculin A resulted in a reduction of cellular stiffness. In contrast, microtubule depolymerization produced effects that differ from many AFM studies, which report either no change or an increase in cortical stiffness following Nocodazole treatment. We now explicitly discuss that this discrepancy likely reflects the different mechanical compartments probed by the two techniques. AFM predominantly measures the actin-rich cell cortex, whereas our intracellular microrheology measurements probe the mechanical environment experienced by membrane-bound intracellular particles. We therefore interpret the differing response to microtubule depolymerization as evidence that intracellular active mechanics and cortical mechanics can be influenced by distinct physical mechanisms. These comparisons have been incorporated into the Results and Discussion sections of the revised manuscript.

      Page 8: Citation to Fig. 3a is missing before mentioning Fig. 3b.

      We revised the manuscript to ensure that all references are given in an appropriate order.

      Proper uses of hyphens are recommended to avoid confusion. For example, ’a yet not understood change’ can be written as ’ a yet-not-understood change’.

      We thank the reviewer for this suggestion. We carefully revised the manuscript to improve the use of hyphenation and compound modifiers throughout the text. The specific example highlighted by the reviewer, as well as similar constructions, have been corrected to improve readability and avoid ambiguity.

      Reviewer #3 (Recommendations For The Authors):

      As it reads, sinusoidal waves are applied sequentially from 1- 1024Hz. Please clarify if amplitude is the same for each frequency, also how many frequencies are used? On this point, due to perturbations due to alterations in pre-stress, are the orders of frequencies randomized?

      We thank the reviewer for pointing out this ambiguity. We have revised the manuscript to provide a more detailed description of the active microrheology protocol. Specifically, we now state that all measurements were performed using a constant trapping-laser oscillation amplitude of 200 nm and that the applied frequencies were 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, 512, and 1024 Hz. The frequencies were applied sequentially in increasing order and were not randomized. This information has now been added to the manuscript.

      How many beads are probed in a given cell?

      We thank the reviewer for this question. We have clarified this point in the Methods section and now explicitly state that only a single phagocytosed probe particle was analyzed per cell. Of course, many different cells, and hence beads, have been analyzed per cell type.

      Is the graph in 1 c G’, G” per cell or average of many cells?

      We thank the reviewer for pointing out this ambiguity. In the original version of the manuscript, Figure 1b showed data from a representative cell, whereas Figure 1c displayed an average over multiple cells. To avoid confusion, we revised Figure 1 and now show representative data from a single measurement throughout the analysis workflow (Figure 1c,e,f).

      Figure 1e is quite nice, however, is there an equivalent performed in a nonlinear ECM such as collagen for comparison, in a similar vein can the equivalent be calculated for cells with/without treatment with low doses of cycloheximide to reduce protein synthesis? Yes, cytoskeletal elements are important for cell mechanics, but cytoplasm crowding is often an overlooked factor.

      We thank the reviewer for this important suggestion, and we are glad that the reviewer likes figure 1e. Regarding non-linear ECM, we have not done such experiments using optical tweezers. Collagen is a highly heterogeneous material and using the small deformations that we can obtain using the optical tweezers, our access to the non-linear contributions is rather limited.

      However, we agree that factors beyond the cytoskeleton, including molecular crowding and protein content, can make important contributions to intracellular mechanics. While investigating these effects experimentally, for example through cycloheximide treatment, would be highly interesting, such studies were beyond the scope of the present work.

      The primary focus of this study was to establish and validate a mechanical fingerprint for intracellular active microrheology and to investigate how this fingerprint responds to perturbations of the cytoskeleton. The additional experiments performed during revision therefore concentrated on strengthening the interpretation of the cytoskeletal contributions.

      At the same time, we agree that molecular crowding represents an important alternative mechanism influencing intracellular mechanics. We have therefore expanded the Discussion and Conclusion sections to explicitly acknowledge this limitation and now cite recent studies demonstrating strong effects of molecular crowding on intracellular rheology (Umeda et al,. 2023, Ebata et al., 2023). We further discuss that, besides cytoskeletal organization, metabolic state, intracellular transport, and molecular crowding are likely contributors to the observed mechanical fingerprint.

      The biggest issue is the interpretation of the different factors as each of these cells have different energetic needs. The comparison between cancer cells with different aggressiveness, immune and epithelial cells. For example, some types of cancer cells will be dominated by glycolysis vs oxphos, which will influence both the cytoplasmic and nuclear mechanics? It would be useful to carefully assess factors not restricted to

      (a) Cytoskeleton

      (b) Protein synthesis

      (c) Metabolic state

      For similar lines and/or cells where there are lineages that are either more metastatic in cancer, normal counterpart or drug resistant in an effort to link the fingerprint to a biological output. Specifically, is migration, proliferation, survival correlated with the measurements. The reviewer is sensitive to the technical difficulties of the experiments. However, the interpretation and importance of the mechanical fingerprinting requires additional work as mentioned above.

      We thank the reviewer for this thoughtful comment. We agree that intracellular mechanics is likely influenced by a broad range of biological factors beyond the cytoskeleton, including metabolic state, molecular crowding, intracellular transport processes, and protein synthesis. We also agree that the biological significance of the mechanical fingerprint would be strengthened by establishing direct links to functional cellular outputs such as migration, proliferation, or survival. To address the first point, we have expanded the Discussion and Conclusion sections of the manuscript to explicitly acknowledge that the observed fingerprint is unlikely to be determined solely by cytoskeletal organization. In particular, we now discuss the potential contributions of metabolic state, intracellular transport, and molecular crowding, and cite recent studies demonstrating the importance of these factors for intracellular mechanics. To address the second point, we explored several strategies to relate the measured mechanical fingerprints to cellular phenotype. We expanded the discussion of available literature, including examples where mechanical properties and migratory behavior appear qualitatively consistent. In addition, we grouped the investigated cell lines according to broad biological characteristics, including epithelial/mesenchymal character, cancer status, metastatic potential, and migratory potential, and examined their distribution within the proposed phase space. While this exploratory analysis provides additional biological context, it did not reveal robust relationships that would support definitive conclusions regarding structure–function relationships. We therefore agree that establishing direct links between intracellular mechanics and cellular function represents an important next step. Such studies will require quantitative functional assays performed under controlled and directly comparable conditions, ideally using well-defined isogenic model systems. We now discuss these limitations and future directions explicitly in the revised manuscript.

    1. eLife Assessment

      This valuable study reports a series of artificial-selection experiments for microbiomes associated with improved drought performance in rice. A major strength is the solid experimental design using multiple starting soil communities, which can guide others in designing related experiments. While interpretation of the results is constrained by inadvertent microbial dispersal between samples, the limited effectiveness of the sterile controls and the absence of healthy well-watered plants, the work nevertheless provides a helpful proof of concept for host-mediated microbiome selection, identifying candidate taxa, functions and simplified communities for downstream study. As a first step towards microbiome engineering in this area, it will be of particular interest to colleagues working in plant-microbiome interactions, microbial community selection and microbiome design.

    2. Reviewer #1 (Public Review):

      [Editors' note: this version has been assessed by the Reviewing Editor without further input from the original reviewers.]

      Summary:

      The study claims to explore plant microbiome engineering using host-mediated selection as a strategy to enhance rice growth and drought tolerance.

      Strengths:

      The authors have derived and identified simplified microbiomes from wild microbial communities of rice fields, deserts, and serpentine seep soils by selecting microbiomes from plants with desired phenotypes across generations. Metagenome-assembled genomes revealed enriched functions, such as glycerol-3-phosphate and iron transport, known to mediate plant-microbe interactions during drought.

    3. Reviewer #2 (Public Review):

      Summary:

      In this study, Styer et al. impose artificial selection on root-associated microbiomes to increase drought tolerance in rice plants using different soils as starting microbiomes. Using NDVI and biomass as a proxy for plant health, they find that iterative passaging of the microbiomes of the best-performing plants increased plant resilience to drought stress in a soil-dependent manner. The study makes use of numerous controls. The authors survey the microbiota of the plants across generations, using an array of interesting analyses to characterize their observations. Firstly, the authors find that the acquired microbiomes are divergent towards the beginning of the selection experiment, but nearly converge later suggesting that the selected communities become more similar over time. One reason is that the diversity of the microbiomes severely decreases after only one or two generations of selection AND that microbes from each inoculation source appear to easily disperse across the experiment, leading to microbiome homogeneity. The authors then present an analysis to correlate ASVs with the NDVI and Biomass over the course of the experiment (using the rice soil selection lines) to develop hypotheses about which ASVs may impact plant traits.

      Strengths:

      The authors set out to refine the understanding of microbiome artificial selection, a topic of recent interest to the plant microbiome field. The authors use an established approach (Mueller et al), expanding upon it by including multiple starting soil inocula to ask whether the strength of selection varies by input microbiome. This is an important and novel question. Using drought resilience as measured by NDVI and plant biomass to select upon was a wise choice for this type of study, given their relative ease and quickness to assess. The inclusion of several types of controls, multiple selection lines, and several starting soil inocula showed a thoughtful experimental design. The analyses were diverse, non-standard, and attempted to address microbiome dynamics on multiple fronts. I am not necessarily convinced by some of the conclusions (see below), however, I think this study examines an important and exciting topic in the area of plant microbiomes. I predict the findings of the experiments will inform a wide audience of researchers attempting similar studies and be helpful in their designs.

    4. Reviewer #3 (Public Review):

      Summary:

      In this work, Styer et al. explore host selection as a means for recruiting microbes that may aid their host under stressful conditions, in this case under drought stress, as an alternative to target-SynCom design. They do so by subjecting rice plants to several generations of soil transplantation, and by using the most successful rice plants as donors for the next generation. By using several NGS approaches and very thorough bioinformatics analysis, the authors identify potential microbial taxa and the associated functions enriched in the conditions of interest.

      Strengths:

      In general, I think this approach was very much needed in the field as an alternative to SynComs, which are still not readily usable in croplands. This work sets the grounds for future similar approaches, using different stresses and different host plants.

      In this work, the experimental setup is well thought-through and well-replicated. In addition, an exhaustive set of preliminary experiments was performed before deciding on the final panel of soils to use and scoring methodology. The figures are clear and well-explained.

    5. Author response:

      The following is the authors’ response to the original reviews.

      We thank the Reviewing Editor, the Senior Editor, and the three reviewers for their careful and constructive assessment of our manuscript. We were encouraged that the reviewers found the question timely and novel, the experimental design thoughtful and well-replicated, and the analyses diverse and informative. The reviewers also raised a number of valuable concerns, which clustered around three themes: (i) the framing of host-mediated selection as microbiome “engineering” versus a proof of concept; (ii) the interpretive challenges introduced by microbial dispersal and the resulting limits on the sterile-inoculated controls; and (iii) requests for clearer methodological detail and additional context from the recent literature. We have revised the manuscript to address these points through clearer framing, expanded discussion, and fuller methodological detail. Consistent with the nature of this long-term experiment, our revisions strengthen the interpretation and presentation of the existing dataset rather than adding new experiments.

      eLife Assessment

      The study has also shortcomings in that the rescuing effect is not benchmarked against healthy well-watered plants, the sterilized controls do not add much information, and the dispersal between inocula confounds the interpretation of the results… the presentation would overall benefit from more extensive consideration of recent developments in the field.

      We appreciate this balanced summary and have revised the manuscript accordingly. We have reframed the abstract and Introduction to present the study explicitly as a proof of concept rather than a completed engineering effort (ll. 27–31; ll. 96–101); we now address the well-watered benchmarking limitation and the limits of the sterile-inoculated controls directly in the Discussion (ll. 543–551); we discuss dispersal and its confounding effect on interpretation head-on, including an alternative hypothesis (ll. 546–551); and we have incorporated the recent studies suggested by Reviewer 3 (ll. 206–209, 442, 476–478). Each change is detailed in the point-by-point responses below.

      Reviewer #1 (Public Review):

      Weaknesses:

      The findings demonstrate the efficacy of host-mediated microbiome selection, but the engineering part for enhancing rice performance under drought-stress conditions has not been provided. The proposed mechanisms rely on correlations but not direct experimental proofs.

      We agree, and we have adopted this framing throughout. Our study demonstrates host-mediated selection as a discovery framework rather than a completed engineering pipeline, and we now say so explicitly: the abstract has been reframed (ll. 27–31) and a statement added at the end of the Introduction (ll. 96–101) clarifying that the work reproducibly enriches beneficial taxa and functions and yields simplified candidate communities, but does not yet benchmark those communities against single-isolate inoculants or test them in the field or against a resident native microbiome. We likewise agree that the functional inferences from our metagenome-assembled genomes (MAGs) are correlative; we now state this explicitly in the Methods and Discussion (ll. 776–778) and note that establishing causal roles for individual taxa or genes will require targeted isolation and genetic manipulation.

      Reviewer #1 (Recommendations For The Authors):

      The experimental design… could benefit from more detailed explanations. For instance, what are the criteria for choosing these soils and how are they relevant to rice growth phenotype? Also, the word ‘generation’ is misleading as it implies the use of seed-to-seed experiments… It would also be good to explain why the authors chose 6 generations for rice fields and 4 generations for deserts and serpentine seep. Importantly, the contribution of the rice seed microbiome… has not been considered and is also missing from… the discussion.

      We have addressed each part of this comment. Soil selection criteria: the Results section “Source inocula bacterial diversity” describes our rationale — we screened nine field soils in a pilot experiment, then selected the three that both supported rice growth and had negligible taxonomic overlap (providing three distinct starting points), with a stated per-soil expectation (rice-adapted, drought-adapted, and high-diversity). We are happy to expand this further if the reviewer feels additional detail is needed. “Generation”: we now define this term as a single 40-day selection cycle rather than a seed-to-seed generation (l. 109). Six vs. four generations: we explain in the Results (l. 309) that, having observed convergence of microbiome composition across soil treatments by the fourth selection generation, we concentrated resources on Rice Field and carried it through two additional cycles. Seed microbiome: we have added a note to the Discussion (ll. 444–446) that, although seeds were surface-sterilized before each generation, a residual contribution of seed-borne endophytes common to all treatments cannot be excluded.

      The authors stated that microbiomes were not selected for propagation into future generations in control lines. In this case, have the authors tested if the control LI microbiome in SG1 through SG6 did or did not significantly change in all the soil types?

      We have clarified the role of the live-inoculated (LI) lines in the text. LI lines were well-watered controls that were re-inoculated each generation with unsterilized selection-line material; they were included to identify drought-enriched taxa (by contrast with the droughted selection lines) and to test whether drought-optimized microbiomes were deleterious under well-watered conditions — not as an independently propagated selection line. Because LI communities were re-derived from selection-line inocula each generation, their composition necessarily tracked the changes occurring in the selection lines; this is the basis of the SL-versus-LI differential-abundance analysis (Figure 7B, Supplemental Figure 9). We note that comprehensive, temporally resolved 16S sequencing was performed for Rice Field, so we are appropriately cautious about extending LI comparisons across every soil type, and we have tempered our conclusions from the control lines accordingly (ll. 543–551).

      In Figure 3B (rice field), the tolerance in terms of AUC NDVI contrastingly increases to the biomass values in SG5 and SG6… the [NDVI] does not seem to be a good measure… It would be interesting to analyze these data sets under normal conditions… include representative pictures of all the ‘generations’… It will also be important to include the LI control data in Figures 3B and 3C.

      We appreciate these suggestions and respond to each. Our metric is biomass-adjusted AUC NDVI, which we use precisely to separate drought performance from plant size; NDVI itself was validated against shoot water content in preliminary experiments (R = 0.98; Supplemental Figure 2E), so we are confident it is an appropriate, validated proxy for drought status. We have substantially expanded the Methods to explain this adjustment and why the metric can diverge from raw biomass (ll. 666–669). Regarding the specific additions requested: analyzing the well-watered plants as a phenotypic dataset, adding representative images for every generation, and plotting LI data in Figure 3B/C would each require new analyses or figures that are outside the scope of this revision; moreover, LI plants were never droughted and therefore have no drought-response score comparable to the SL and SI lines, so they cannot be placed on the same axes. Representative images contrasting the first and last selection generations are already provided in Figure 3A. We have, however, added an explicit acknowledgement that our design does not quantify the absolute magnitude of drought rescue relative to well-watered performance (ll. 551–552).

      It is less clear how sterile soils acquired environmental taxa over time. Was this a seepage of microbes from inoculated samples to the calcinated clay, possibly via the water irrigation system? In this regard, four Venn diagrams representing all the generations… would be relevant.

      Each plant was grown in an individual container with its own separate water reservoir (Supplemental Figure 4), so shared irrigation was not a route of transfer; the most likely routes are airborne movement and handling within the growth chamber, together with within-treatment shuffling of plants. Our dispersal analysis (Figure 5) already traces the origins of taxa in each treatment, and Supplemental Figure 6 quantifies the ASVs shared among treatments over generations; we have added explicit criteria for these origin assignments (ll. 248–253). We therefore prefer to retain the existing Figure 5 / Supplemental Figure 6 presentation rather than add four separate Venn diagrams, which would convey the same information less quantitatively, but we are glad to reconsider if the editor feels a Venn representation would help readers.

      What is the logic behind the so-called ‘immigrating taxa’ in this study?

      “Immigrating” (dispersed) taxa are those that appear in a treatment despite not being attributable to that treatment’s own starting material — i.e., ASVs not detected in that treatment’s field soil or enrichment-generation inoculum, which must therefore have arrived by dispersal from other treatments or from the growth-chamber environment. We have made this definition explicit in the text (ll. 248–253).

      The decrease in alpha-diversity in subsequent generations… should be thoroughly discussed. Have authors tried to culture these few remaining taxa? If yes… tested for their individual drought tolerance supported by physiological assays… If no, is the microbiome of SG6 (and associated functions) ideal or sufficient to create drought tolerance in field conditions?

      We have expanded the discussion of the diversity decline. In addition to niche filtering along the soil-to-root gradient and dilution-to-extinction (already discussed), we now note that DNA-based profiling cannot distinguish metabolically active cells from relic DNA or dormant/non-viable cells, so part of the apparent collapse in diversity may reflect enrichment for the taxa that were active in the original inoculum (ll. 206–209). We agree that culturing the remaining taxa and characterizing them with physiological assays (e.g., water potential, water-use efficiency, stomatal conductance) is a valuable next step; these experiments are outside the scope of the present study, which we have now framed explicitly as a proof of concept, and we identify field validation of selected communities as a key open question (ll. 96–101).

      The result that Ideonella was identified as the dominant taxa in all selection conditions is highly interesting… This… should have been followed up for isolating the strains and performing direct tests to test their importance for conveying drought stress.

      We agree that isolating and directly testing dominant taxa such as Ideonella is the logical next step, and we now emphasize that a central value of host-mediated selection is that it yields simplified communities from which such taxa can be more readily isolated (ll. 27–31). These isolation and functional-validation experiments are beyond the scope of the current study and we have framed them as future directions rather than undertaking them here.

      The MAGs shown in Figure 8 have apparently ‘been assigned to ASVs…’. These data are not shown anywhere… the MAG data only give correlations but not direct genetic proofs of the biological functions of the identified genes.

      We have expanded the Methods to describe how each MAG was matched to an ASV (by closest taxonomic assignment and by concordance of relative abundance across samples), and we now state explicitly that these assignments are approximate and that the functional inferences drawn from them are correlative rather than definitive (ll. 776–778). We would be glad to add a supplemental table listing the MAG-to-ASV assignments if the reviewer or editor would find it useful; because it reports assignments already in hand, it requires no new analysis.

      Reviewer #2 (Public Review):

      Strengths:

      I think this study examines an important and exciting topic in the area of plant microbiomes. I predict the findings of the experiments will inform a wide audience of researchers attempting similar studies and be helpful in their designs.

      We thank the reviewer for recognizing the novelty of this complex experiment as well as the effort we put into designing it. Like the reviewer, we hope that this manuscript can serve a wide audience and help inform subsequent experiments in this new topic area.

      Weaknesses:

      Although the controls were well designed, the dispersal of the microbiomes erased the utility of the sterile inoculated (SI) controls… the SI lines acquired microbes from the experiment and never appeared to significantly deviate from the SL plants. The dispersal of the microbes… also minimizes any conclusions that can be made about the different starting inocula and how prone to selection they may be.

      We agree that microbial dispersal confounded our ability to use the sterile-inoculated (SI) plants to account for batch variation between generations. By maintaining each plant as a spatially discrete unit (individual pots and watering reservoirs), we had originally intended SI plants simply to acquire a similar consortium of environmental microbiota each generation. Truly axenic SI plants would have been better suited to this purpose, but would have severely limited the number of replicates and replicate selection lines we could include. We have now addressed this limitation directly in the Discussion (ll. 543–551): we state that the SI lines cannot be treated as static, microbe-free baselines, that the batch-to-batch variation they were meant to capture is only partially controlled, and that dispersal limits the strength of the conclusions we can draw about differences between starting inocula. This shared trajectory of selection and intended control lines has been observed in other host-mediated selection studies but rarely discussed in detail, and we now foreground it as a lesson for experimental design.

      Reviewer #2 (Recommendations For The Authors):

      My first concern is the framing of the approach… the authors never show that this approach has better efficacy than single-isolate inoculates… The phase of the research is still proof of concept, understandably, but these caveats should be mentioned/addressed head-on in the Introduction and Discussion.

      We agree and have made these caveats explicit rather than implicit. The abstract now frames the work as identifying candidate taxa and communities rather than delivering a finished engineering solution (ll. 27–31); the Introduction now states plainly that this is a proof of concept that does not benchmark the passaged communities against single-isolate inoculants or evaluate them in the field or against a resident native microbiome (ll. 96–101); and the Discussion reiterates these limitations (ll. 543–551).

      I disagree with the authors that the selected microbiota better approximate field conditions (line 55) - because… the diversity of the microbiome is drastically reduced… it is likely that exclusion of taxa is just as important as the passaging of bacterial members to see the desired effect.

      We take this point and have revised the sentence at (former) line 55 accordingly (now l. 57): we now say that community-level screening more closely approximates field complexity than single-isolate screens only at the outset, and we no longer imply that the selected (diversity-reduced) communities better approximate the field. We agree that taxon exclusion may be as important as enrichment; this is consistent with our balance analyses, in which the denominator groups comprise taxa negatively associated with phenotype (Figure 7), and with the diminishing returns we observe as diversity collapses. We have also added an explicit sentence to the Discussion (l. 488) stating that the exclusion of detrimental taxa may be as important as the enrichment of beneficial ones, and that a microbiome’s finite membership may contribute to the diminishing returns of selection we observe over generations.

      (1) It is unclear what the reason (or methodology) for correcting NDVI by biomass. Much of the findings hinge on corrected NDVI values, so a more thorough explanation of the correction method… would benefit the reader.

      We have substantially expanded this explanation in the Methods (ll. 666–669). We now state that biomass and AUC NDVI were anti-correlated (Supplemental Figure 12) and that we adjusted for plant size by taking the residuals of a linear regression of AUC NDVI on shoot dry-weight biomass, using these biomass-adjusted values as our measure of drought performance so that selection would reflect drought tolerance rather than plant size alone.

      (2) Are data for panels B and C of Figure 3 scaled?… how can one have a negative area under the curve if all the NDVI values are positive? For panel B, the representative plant images are much larger than 0.8 grams.

      This is a helpful catch, and the confusion stems from our terse original description. The values plotted are the biomass-adjusted AUC NDVI (regression residuals), which are centered on zero by construction; negative values therefore indicate poorer-than-expected drought performance for a plant of a given size and do not reflect negative raw NDVI or a negative raw area under the curve. We now explain this explicitly (ll. 666–669). In panel C, shoot biomass is plotted as dry weight in grams; the representative plant images in panel A are qualitative illustrations and are not scaled to the biomass axis. We will make the axis labels and legend state the units and the residual nature of the adjusted metric explicitly (noted in our accompanying figure-revision guide).

      (3) The dispersal analysis… What are the criteria for classifying ASVs as specific to an input source? Was it that they were observed in all samples of field soil, i.e. was a prevalence threshold implemented? Could they be observed in any other soil at a smaller threshold?

      We have added the criteria explicitly (ll. 248–253). An ASV was attributed to a given soil treatment if it was detected (present/absent) in that treatment’s field-soil or enrichment-generation inoculum samples; ASVs detected in none of the field soils or source inocula were designated environmental in origin (“unk/env”), and ASVs meeting the criterion for more than one treatment were assigned to each. Assignments were thus based on detection in the source samples rather than on an abundance-prevalence threshold within later generations.

      This reviewer finds the results around [inoculum source] inconclusive… the serpentine seep microbiome appears to provide more benefit from the first round of selection than any other soil… The slope of improvement… is different between soils, but mainly because the serpentine microbiomes start out conveying greater benefits than the other soils.

      We agree the Serpentine Seep result is not clear-cut. The Discussion already presents inoculum provenance as one of several factors shaping the outcome rather than a decisive one, and we have now added an explicit acknowledgement that Serpentine Seep conferred comparatively large benefits in the earliest cycles before plateauing, so its weaker response to continued selection may reflect an early approach to a performance ceiling rather than an inherently poorer substrate for selection (l. 423). We have tempered our “source matters” language accordingly.

      Have the authors assessed the biomass and ndvi of the well-watered plants?… showing this data would allow the reader to assess the degree to which the microbiomes are rescuing the plant… and… whether tradeoffs exist… under fully watered conditions.

      We have added an explicit statement that our design does not pair each droughted line with a well-watered readout of the same phenotype, so we refrain from estimating the absolute magnitude of drought rescue (ll. 551–552). We note, however, that shoot biomass increased in parallel with drought performance across selection generations (Figure 3C), which provides no evidence that selection for drought tolerance came at a cost to growth under our conditions. Collecting matched well-watered phenotypes to quantify effect size and trade-offs is a worthwhile aim for future work but would constitute a new analysis beyond this revision.

      How can the authors exclude the possibility that environmental microbes pre-existing in the growth chamber taxonomically overlap with the field soil-specific microbes?… the alternative hypothesis should be mentioned… A clearer representation of the ASVs categorized as source soil-specific in Figure 5… would be useful and how many of these ASVs make up the bar plots.

      We now state this alternative hypothesis explicitly: because dispersed taxa came to dominate all treatments, we cannot fully exclude that taxa shared across treatments were recruited from a common growth-chamber pool rather than dispersing directly between soils (ll. 546–549). We note that the two processes are difficult to distinguish retrospectively, but that the bias of each SI line toward its own treatment’s native diversity (Figure 5) is more consistent with genuine cross-treatment dispersal. Regarding the figure, the number of ASVs underlying each origin category is available in Supplemental Figure 6; we describe in the accompanying figure-revision guide how the Figure 5 legend can be clarified to state the assignment criteria and the ASV counts.

      The sterile inoculated plants were a nice control in theory, but I question their utility… A contrast that should be made is the microbiomes of only SI plants. It is striking that sterilized controls assemble and retain more microbes from the unsterilized starting inoculum. I would expect everything to be acquired from dispersal.

      We agree, and we have foregrounded this in the Discussion (ll. 543–551). As the reviewer notes, SI communities were biased toward their own treatment’s native diversity rather than being assembled entirely from dispersal (Figure 5) — an informative observation, but one that also demonstrates why the SI lines cannot serve as the clean, microbe-free baseline we had intended. We now treat this as a key design lesson and note that a fully isolated (e.g., gnotobiotic) control would be required to separate these effects in future experiments (l. 560).

      Reviewer #3 (Public Review):

      Weaknesses:

      Sterile/non-inoculated calcined clay also tends to enrich similar microbes… In a future experiment, the work would benefit from including a truly sterile control… the reader may get to wonder whether these efforts are necessary at all… This is discussed across the paper but not directly addressed and I think the manuscript would benefit from a clear argument for or against this idea.

      We thank the reviewer for this insightful point and have made our argument explicit rather than leaving it implicit. First, we agree a fully isolated, truly sterile control would strengthen future iterations of this design; the manuscript notes that gnotobiotic plants would be the ideal (if costly) means of achieving this (l. 560). Second, on whether selection is necessary if plants recruit beneficial microbes from the environment: the phenotypic gains seen even in the sterile-inoculated lines do not indicate that selection was superfluous, but rather that those plants recruited from a metacommunity that was itself being optimized by selection in the neighboring selection lines each generation. In other words, environmental acquisition propagated the benefits of selection across the shared growth-chamber environment rather than replacing it. We have clarified this reasoning in the Discussion (ll. 543–551).

      Reviewer #3 (Recommendations For The Authors):

      It is mentioned multiple times… that host genotype is the driver of the microbiota selection… However, this is not the case [multiple lines] and therefore I don’t find that surprising that there is a convergence of the microbiota across soils and selection rounds.

      We agree and have added text making this explicit: all plants were a single, near-isogenic rice genotype, and because host genotype is itself a strong filter on microbiome composition, the use of one genotype — together with shared environmental conditions and selection criteria — makes convergence across lines an expected rather than a surprising outcome (ll. 438–441). We have softened language that could be read as attributing selection to host-genotype variation.

      Another possibility… is that those microbes that are found in the later generations are actually the ones that were active/alive in the initial inoculum. It is not possible to rule out that most of the sequenced microbes in the input were not actually dead. Similar observations were made… in Duran et al. 2022. New Phytol.

      We have added this possibility to the manuscript, noting that DNA-based profiling cannot distinguish metabolically active cells from relic DNA or dormant/non-viable cells, so part of the apparent diversity decline may reflect enrichment for the subset of taxa that were active in the original inoculum, with reference to the transplantation work the reviewer cites (Durán et al. 2022; ll. 206–209).

      In the shotgun data, was there any observation of other microbes present (fungi, virus)? Did they follow the same trends as the bacterial communities?… I think addressing this will be very interesting and very novel.

      We agree this is an interesting question. Our shotgun workflow was designed and assembled specifically to recover high-quality bacterial and archaeal MAGs, and a rigorous cross-kingdom analysis (fungi, viruses) would require dedicated, eukaryote- and virus-specific assembly, binning, and reference databases — a substantial new analysis that lies outside the scope of this revision. We therefore flag cross-kingdom community dynamics as a promising direction for future work rather than presenting a new analysis here.

      Any interesting overlap with the results found in Karasov et al. 2022 (biorxiv)?

      We have added a comparison to drought-driven selection on host-associated microbiomes in Arabidopsis (Karasov et al. 2022) at the relevant point in the Discussion (l. 442).

      In Liu et al., 2024 Nat. Comms, the authors found Devosia as an interesting candidate for disease suppression (to add to the discussion?).

      Added — we now note that Devosia, one of the lesser-known genera enriched in our experiment, has recently been highlighted as a candidate mediator of disease suppression in the rhizosphere (Liu et al. 2024; l. 476).

      Lipids as a signal for host-microbe interaction: Rich et al., 2021 Science.

      Added — in the functional-enrichment discussion we now cite lipids as increasingly recognized central signaling molecules in host–microbe symbioses (Rich et al. 2021; l. 478).

    1. eLife Assessment

      This valuable study combines experiments and theory to investigate the role of spontaneous correlated activity in establishing aligned topographic maps of neural activity in higher-order sensory areas and will be of interest to researchers studying multisensory integration and brain development. The revised work presents solid evidence that spontaneous activity is correlated and spatially organized across the relevant cortical areas and that, in a computational model, an intermediate level of such correlation can refine a coarse initial connectivity scaffold into aligned maps containing neurons responsive to one or both sensory modalities.

    2. Reviewer #1 (Public review):

      Dwulet et al. combined experimental and modeling approaches to investigate how correlated spontaneous activity in the mouse's primary visual (V1) and primary somatosensory (S1) areas drives the development of multisensory integration in area RL. Notably, they focused on early developmental stages, before sensory experience occurs. Consistent with previous experimental findings, the authors first demonstrated that spontaneous activity becomes more sparse across development in all three areas, as measured by event amplitude, event duration, and participation ratio. Using a linear mixed model analysis to compare the maturation of this spontaneous activity, they found evidence that S1 matured the fastest. The authors then presented experimental evidence suggesting that these spontaneous events were moderately correlated both spatially and temporally.

      They hypothesized that activity-dependent mechanisms use these correlations to establish connectivity across these regions. To test this hypothesis, the authors modeled a feedforward network with connections from S1 to RL and from V1 to RL, where the strength of connections depended on a Hebbian term for potentiation and a heterosynaptic term for depression. By investigating different levels of V1-S1 correlations, they found that moderate levels of correlation led to the significant development of topographically organized connectivity while maintaining a mix of bimodal and unimodal cells in RL. Additionally, when simulating a network with a more mature S1, they observed that topographical maps improved not only between S1 and RL but also between V1 and RL. Finally, the authors use linear regression to suggest that the mixture of bimodal and unimodal cells in RL is optimal for encoding the maximum amount of information from both V1 and S1.

      Comments on revised version:

      The revision closes most of the data-model gaps raised in my original review. The authors have clarified the experimental measures and statistical comparisons, improved the spatial correlation-map analysis, added a temporal-lag analysis that argues against stereotyped traveling waves, expanded the model description, and performed additional simulations examining the effects of differences in spontaneous activity. Taken together, these changes provide solid support for the paper's principal conclusion: structured and moderately correlated activity can, within the proposed model, guide the refinement of an initially coarse connectivity scaffold into aligned multisensory representations.

      The remaining limitations primarily concern the more specific claim that the somatosensory pathway matures first and guides refinement of the visual pathway. The experiments support the conclusion that spontaneous activity in the somatosensory cortex matures earlier. However, the proposed consequence of this difference is carried in the model by an assumed stronger initial somatosensory-to-higher-order connectivity bias, motivated by pilot anatomical observations that are not included quantitatively in the manuscript. The new supplementary simulations suggest that differences in activity amplitude and frequency alone are insufficient, but the parameters are varied over ranges considerably smaller than the differences measured experimentally, and event duration is not varied. These simulations therefore do not strongly establish that the measured activity differences are insufficient to produce the effect. In addition, the Figure 4 caption and portions of the Discussion continue to imply that more mature somatosensory activity itself instructs map alignment, whereas the revised Results present the more qualified conclusion that an additional connectivity difference is required.

      A few internal inconsistencies also remain. The abstract still describes activity in the three areas as being recorded simultaneously, although the cellular-resolution recordings were acquired sequentially; only the wide-field data were collected simultaneously across areas. The revised model also assigns spontaneous events durations and intervals in milliseconds, while the measured calcium events last several seconds and occur only a few times per minute.

    3. Reviewer #2 (Public Review):

      The revised manuscript has substantially improved, and the authors have satisfactorily addressed most of the concerns raised in my original review. Overall, the experimental evidence and its relationship to the computational model are now presented more clearly and rigorously, substantially strengthening the manuscript.

      My main reservation in the original review concerned the role of the initial topographic connectivity bias in the computational model. The revised manuscript provides a clearer interpretation of this aspect. The initial bias represents a coarse activity-independent scaffold, while the final organization of the maps depends on its interaction with the structure and degree of correlated spontaneous activity. Importantly, the simulations show that the presence of the initial bias alone does not determine the final connectivity pattern. I therefore consider the computational results substantially better supported and interpreted in the revised manuscript. Nevertheless, as the model starts from a predefined coarse topographic organization of the projections from the primary sensory cortices to RL, in my opinion, the results demonstrate how structured spontaneous activity can refine and align an initially organized connectivity scaffold, rather than showing that spontaneous activity itself establishes this topographic organization.

      This distinction is relevant when interpreting the central mechanistic conclusion of the study. The work provides convincing support for the idea that correlated spontaneous activity can contribute to the refinement and alignment of multisensory cortical maps, conditional on the existence of an initial coarse topographic organization. Establishing experimentally how this initial connectivity is organized during the relevant developmental period, and how spontaneous activity modifies it, remains an important question for future work.

      Overall, I consider the revised manuscript considerably stronger than the original submission. Most of my previous concerns have been adequately resolved, and the study provides valuable experimental and computational insight into how spontaneous activity may contribute to the development of aligned multisensory representations.

    4. Reviewer #3 (Public review):

      Summary:

      The study by Dwulet et al. explores how the development of spontaneous neural activity in primary sensory cortices influences the co-alignment of multiple sensory modalities in higher-order brain areas (HOAs). To address this question, they focus on connectivity between the primary visual (V1) and somatosensory (S1) cortices and an associative cortical area (RL) in mice. The authors combine experimental (wide-field and two-photon calcium imaging) and computational approaches to show that spontaneous activity matures at a different pace across these brain regions. Their data indicate that S1 develops more rapidly than V1, which is possibly beneficial for RL's integration of visual and somatosensory inputs through correlated spontaneous activity. Using a computational model, they demonstrate that a moderate correlation between V1 and S1 activity can optimally guide the formation of bimodal neurons in RL, which are crucial for maximizing the decodability of multisensory stimuli. This finding highlights the role of correlated spontaneous activity in primary sensory cortices in establishing co-aligned topographic multimodal sensory representations in downstream circuits.

      Strengths:

      The manuscript is well written and it provides strong enough evidence to support the main claim of the authors. The insights on the role of correlated activity on instructing co-aligned multisensory maps in HOAs are not trivial and are an important advancement for the field.

      Weaknesses:

      In the opinion of this reviewer, the study has no major weaknesses. A drawback of the work is that none of the predictions of the computational modeling have been corroborated through mechanistic experimental manipulations of early brain activity.

      Comments on revised version:

      The authors have addressed all my previous concerns. I have no further comments.

    5. Author response:

      Public Reviews:

      Reviewer #1 (Public review):

      Dwulet et al. combined experimental and modeling approaches to investigate how correlated spontaneous activity in the mouse's primary visual (V1) and primary somatosensory (S1) areas drives the development of multisensory integration in area RL. Notably, they focused on early developmental stages, before sensory experience occurs. Consistent with previous experimental findings, the authors first demonstrated that spontaneous activity becomes more sparse across development in all three areas, as measured by event amplitude, event duration, and participation ratio. Using a linear mixed model analysis to compare the maturation of this spontaneous activity, they found evidence that S1 matured the fastest. The authors then presented experimental evidence suggesting that these spontaneous events were moderately correlated both spatially and temporally.

      They hypothesized that activity-dependent mechanisms use these correlations to establish connectivity across these regions. To test this hypothesis, the authors modeled a feedforward network with connections from S1 to RL and from V1 to RL, where the strength of connections depended on a Hebbian term for potentiation and a heterosynaptic term for depression. By investigating different levels of V1-S1 correlations, they found that moderate levels of correlation led to the significant development of topographically organized connectivity while maintaining a mix of bimodal and unimodal cells in RL. Additionally, when simulating a network with a more mature S1, they observed that topographical maps improved not only between S1 and RL but also between V1 and RL. Finally, the authors use linear regression to suggest that the mixture of bimodal and unimodal cells in RL is optimal for encoding the maximum amount of information from both V1 and S1.

      However, there are significant gaps between the experimental data and the modeling setup, which weaken the paper's conclusions. Additionally, some key details are omitted, making it difficult to fully assess their analysis and interpret some of their figures.

      (1) Some of the statistical measures and techniques in Figure 1 could benefit from clearer definitions. While the thresholds for activation (peak with at least 5% dF/F0) and events (20% of recorded cells activated simultaneously) are provided, event duration and participation rate are not clearly defined. Based on this definition of event alone, it is unclear why the minimum participation rate in Figure 1F is not 20%. Additionally, the conclusion that S1 matures earlier than RL and V1 could be strengthened by including a direct comparison between S1 and RL, as the current analysis only compares these areas to V1.

      We thank the reviewer for this comment. We have now updated the Methods to include the event duration as time above half max, participation rate as % of cells out of total in that region active during an event. Also, the threshold of 20% recorded cells to identify an event was incorrectly stated, in fact the threshold was 5% consistent with what the reviewer observed in Figure 1F. This error has been corrected throughout the Methods. We chose 5% because spontaneous activity significantly sparsifies over development, with events involving far fewer cells, as previously shown by multiple studies (Golshani et al., 2009; Rochefort et al., 2009; Gribizis et al., 2019; Leighton et al., 2021; Murakami et al., 2022; Chini et al., 2022; reviewed in Lakhera et al., 2024).

      For the linear mixed model (LMM) analysis, we used V1 as a reference just for convenience, but this has no influence on the results. We now added a direct comparison using each area as reference in the LMMs. Several Supplementary Tables (S1-3) now show these results with coefficient estimates and stars showing statistical significance and are mentioned in the legend of Figure 1 and the main text.

      (2) The wide-field experiments in Figure 2 could be expanded to support the feedforward modeling assumptions. Currently, the spatial and temporal correlations presented leave open the possibility that these spontaneous events are traveling waves propagating from V1 to RL to S1 (or vice versa). This scenario would suggest a different connectivity scheme for the model. Clarifying this point with additional data analysis, specifically including temporal correlations involving RL, could provide stronger support for the model's assumptions.

      We agree with the reviewer that the correlation analyses shown in Figure 2 do not differentiate between two possibilities: activity that travels smoothly from one cortical area to another, thereby correlating correlations between these areas, versus activity that is spatially confined to individual areas but occurs near-synchronously across those areas. To address this point, we have revised Figure 2 in two ways.

      First, we added examples of spontaneous activity showing near-synchronous but spatially distinct activation of sub-areas in V1, RL and S1 (new Figure 2D). These examples show that localized activity can remain confined to individual sensory cortical areas and RL, while occurring at similar times across areas. Thus, the observed correlations are not simply due to single large events spreading continuously across the entire imaged field.

      Second, we added a lagged cross-correlation analysis between V1 and S1 activity (new Figure 2G). This analysis shows that the correlation between V1 and S1 peaks close to zero lag and decays for both positive and negative lags. This argues against a stereotyped travelling-wave-like propagation from V1 to S1 or from S1 to V1 with a fixed delay. The cross-correlation curves show a mild asymmetry, with somewhat higher correlations when S1 precedes V1. However, because the dominant peak is centered near zero lag, we interpret the data primarily as evidence for near-synchronous, spatially structured coactivity across sensory areas, rather than fixed directional propagation.

      Together, these two analyses support the modeling abstraction that V1 and S1 provide temporally correlated, spatially structured inputs to RL. We have added the new activity examples and the lagged cross-correlation analysis to Figure 2 and revised the Results accordingly. Although these analyses do not exclude all forms of propagating activity, they argue against the specific concern that the correlations are dominated by stereotyped traveling waves passing sequentially through V1, RL, and S1.

      (3) The functional correlation map in Figure 2D appears contradictory to the authors' modeling assumption that inputs are correlated spatially in V1 and S1. While V1 seed points align topographically with RL, this organization breaks down when extended into S1. In contrast, and in support of the modeling assumption, Figure 2E shows clearer topography across all three regions. A discussion of this discrepancy would be helpful, as it's a key conclusion of the figure. Additionally, it is unclear when this data was collected during development. Clarifying the developmental stage and analyzing how this map changes over time could strengthen the results.

      We thank the reviewer for pointing out this ambiguity. In the original version, the functional correlation maps were generated using separate seed locations in V1 and S1, and the interpretation relied heavily on thresholded RGB maps in which each pixel was assigned to the color channel with the strongest correlation. This representation made it difficult to directly compare the V1- and S1-seeded maps and may have given the impression that topographic organization was preserved in one direction but not the other.

      We have therefore revised the analysis and presentation of Figure 2. Instead of using separate seeds in V1 and S1, we now use common seed locations in RL and compute the correlations of these RL seeds with activity across the imaged cortical field. This allows us to ask directly whether different RL locations are associated with spatially distinct regions in both V1 and S1. We now show both the raw correlation maps, in which the RGB channels reflect the correlation values for the three RL seeds (new Figure 2E), and the thresholded/maximum-channel representation, in which each pixel is assigned to the strongest of the three color channels (new Figure 2F). The raw correlation maps make the correlation structure visible without relying solely on thresholding, whereas the thresholded representation highlights the spatial ordering of the strongest correlations.

      With this revised analysis, the topographic relationship across V1, RL, and S1 is clearer and no longer depends on comparing separate V1- and S1-seeded maps. We also clarified in the figure legend how the RGB maps are computed and how thresholded pixels are represented.

      The reviewer also asked about the developmental stage and progression of this phenomenon. The example shown in Figure 2 was recorded at PN9, and we now state this explicitly. In addition, we added examples from PN9–PN13 in Supplementary Figure S1, showing that similar functional correlation-map structure is present across the developmental period analyzed here. This is consistent with previous work showing that retinotopy-like patterns in higher visual areas can be recovered from functional-connectivity analysis of spontaneous activity before eye opening (Murakami et al., 2022), and with recent work showing that retinotopy-like and somatotopy-like patterns of ongoing activity, together with their rough topographic correspondence in RL, are already present before eye opening at PN10–11 (Matsumoto, Murakami & Ohki, 2025).

      (4) The modeling of spontaneous events with fixed amplitude and duration seems inconsistent with the experimental data in Figure 1, which shows variability in these parameters. This is particularly confusing in Figure 4, where S1 maturation is modeled as a stronger topographical alignment with RL, but the experimental data defines maturation based on amplitude, duration, and event rates. Justifying these modeling choices or adapting the model to reflect experimental variability would create a better connection between the theory and data.

      We agree with the reviewer that the original presentation did not sufficiently distinguish between the experimentally measured maturation of spontaneous activity and the way S1 maturation was implemented in the model. In the experiments (Figure 1), earlier maturation of S1 was reflected by lower event amplitudes, shorter durations, and higher event rates. In contrast, the original model explored the effect of a stronger or more spatially refined S1-to-RL projection (Figure 4). This modeling choice was motivated by pilot anatomical data suggesting that projections from S1 to RL become more elaborate earlier than projections from V1 to RL at comparable developmental ages. We include examples of these pilot data (Author response image 1), but we have not included them in the manuscript because the dataset is preliminary and does not yet allow for a sufficiently complete quantitative analysis.

      Author response image 1.

      Projections from V1 and S1 to RL at different developmental ages. Pilot anatomical data suggest that the S1 projection to RL becomes more elaborate and mature earlier than the V1 projection.

      To address the reviewer’s concern more directly, we have now extended the model to incorporate differences in the spontaneous activity patterns of V1 and S1, including the lower amplitude and higher frequency of S1 events. We then examined how these activity differences interact with different levels of initial connectivity bias between the primary sensory cortices and RL (Supplementary Figure S2). We also quantified the resulting topography, map alignment, and fraction of bimodal RL neurons as a function of the S1 bias and included these additional plots in Figure 4 (panels C-E).

      This analysis shows that incorporating the more mature S1-like activity patterns alone was not sufficient to generate the appropriate topographic and aligned maps. Rather, the model still required an initial connectivity bias, together with an appropriate level and structure of correlated activity. This is consistent with the results shown in Figure 3B,E,G–I and discussed in our response to Reviewer 2, point 3, where we show that the initial bias does not by itself determine the final map structure, but instead interacts with the level of V1–S1 correlation. We have added the new analysis to Supplementary Figure S2 and revised the text to clarify the interpretation. Rather than presenting the stronger S1 bias as a direct consequence of the more mature S1 activity dynamics revealed through the differences in amplitude, duration, and event rate, we now frame it as a model prediction: earlier S1 maturation may need to be accompanied by, or act through, a more advanced anatomical or functional S1-to-RL projection, whose refinement still depends on the temporal and spatial structure of spontaneous activity.

      The results suggest that differences in spontaneous activity dynamics and differences in projection maturity may act together during the emergence of topographically aligned multisensory maps, with neither component alone being sufficient to determine the final organization. Future experiments will be needed to establish whether such an S1-to-RL connectivity bias is present systematically, to quantify its developmental progression, and to disentangle the relative contributions of more mature spontaneous activity dynamics and more mature connectivity.

      (5) Several important details of the mathematical model are missing or unclear, partly due to typos. The Results section mentions the general framework of the input correlation matrix (e.g., "S1 and V1 neurons were driven by a combination of events, independent and shared in each V1 and S1" and "each independent event activated a randomly chosen, contiguous set of neurons"), but the specifics are not fully explained. Additionally, the caption of Figure 5 refers to a non-linear transfer function (a sigmoid), but these details are not provided in the Methods section, which instead suggests a linear model was used. A careful review of the main text and Methods section would help ensure that all the necessary details are included and that the story is both complete and accurate.

      We thank the reviewer for pointing out these missing details and inconsistencies. We have carefully revised the Results, figure captions, and Methods to make the model description more complete and internally consistent.

      First, we clarified how spontaneous input events were generated. Specifically, V1 and S1 activity was constructed from independent events in each area and shared events across the two areas. These event streams were generated using Poisson processes, with the rates chosen such that the total event rate was matched across simulations while varying the fraction of shared versus independent events. We also clarified that each event activated a spatially contiguous group of neurons, thereby implementing local spatial correlations within each primary sensory area, while shared events activated corresponding topographic locations in V1 and S1.

      Second, in the Methods we clarified the use of the nonlinear transfer function in the decoding analysis shown in Figure 5. The simulated RL activity was transformed with a sigmoid nonlinearity before performing the regression analysis, and we have now added the corresponding equation (15) to the Methods.

      Third, we clarified the distinction between the numerical decoding analysis and the analytical calculation of the optimal weight matrix. The decoding analysis uses the nonlinear transformation described above, whereas the analytical calculation uses a linearized version of the model to obtain a tractable closed-form solution. We now state this explicitly in the Methods to avoid the impression that two inconsistent models were used.

      Finally, we corrected several typographical errors and checked that the Results, Methods, and figure captions use consistent terminology for the input generation, correlation structure, and decoding analysis.

      (6) While Figure 5 supports the paper's conclusion that a mixture of unimodal and bimodal neurons in RL optimizes information encoding, the authors missed an opportunity to strengthen the connection between the model and experimental data. Specifically, they could apply this reconstruction method to the experimental data and examine how RL's ability to reconstruct V1/S1 activity changes across development. Their model predicts that this performance would improve over time, and if this trend is observed in the experimental data, it would provide strong validation that these feedforward connections are developing in line with the model's predictions.

      We agree with the reviewer that applying the reconstruction analysis directly to the experimental data would provide an important additional test of the model. However, the current experimental datasets are not well suited for this analysis. The two-photon recordings used to characterize spontaneous activity in V1, S1, and RL were acquired sequentially rather than simultaneously, and therefore cannot be used to reconstruct V1/S1 activity from RL activity. In principle, a related analysis could be attempted using the wide-field recordings, which are simultaneous across cortical areas. However, these data have lower spatial resolution, include movement-related variability, and do not provide cellular-resolution measurements of RL activity. We explored this possibility, but the resulting reconstructions were not sufficiently reliable or interpretable to include in the manuscript.

      We now state this explicitly as a limitation in the Discussion and identify simultaneous multiarea recordings at cellular resolution as an important future test of the model. Such experiments would make it possible to determine whether the ability of RL activity to reconstruct V1/S1 activity improves across development, as predicted by the model.

      Reviewer #2 (Public review):

      The authors aim to investigate the role of spontaneous activity in shaping the development of multisensory integration in the brain, specifically focusing on the connections between primary visual and somatosensory sensory areas (V1 and S1) and a higher-order cortical area rostrolateral to V1 (RL). They seek to understand how spontaneous activity guides the formation of aligned topographic maps and the emergence of bimodal neurons in RL.

      First, the authors found that spontaneous activity in all three areas sparsifies over time, but S1 exhibits more mature patterns earlier than V1 and RL. They claimed that correlated activity among neighboring regions of these areas during development carries topographic information. These data were used to implement a computational model that employed Hebbian rules of synaptic plasticity. The model indicated that correlated spontaneous activity can generate topographic connectivity between S1/V1 and RL and bimodal neurons in RL. The model suggested that the more mature spontaneous activity in S1 can guide map alignment between V1 and RL. In addition, the model also suggested that a mixture of bimodal and unimodal neurons in RL is optimal for decoding information from V1 and S1.

      While the data presented in the manuscript is promising and provides preliminary insights into the role of spontaneous activity in multisensory integration, it would be beneficial to strengthen the experimental foundation regarding the correlation between V1, S1, and RL. Incorporating more rigorous spatio-temporal analyses of spontaneous activity could enhance the robustness of these findings.

      Here are some important concerns:

      (1) The analysis of how spatial topography influences activity correlations in Figure 2 has several issues.

      (1a) While squares in V1 and S1 covered a small area of these sensory areas, the correlated territories in RL covered the entire area of RL. The topographic map in V1 continues caudally, so where is the rest of the map in RL? Something similar applies to the relationship between S1 and RL.

      We thank the reviewer for pointing out this ambiguity. In the original version, the functional correlation maps were generated using separate seed locations in V1 and S1, and the interpretation relied heavily on thresholded RGB maps in which each pixel was assigned to the color channel with the strongest correlation. This made it difficult to directly compare the V1- and S1-seeded maps and could give the impression that the correlation structure extended differently across RL depending on the chosen seed area.

      We have therefore revised the analysis and presentation of Figure 2. Instead of using separate seeds in V1 and S1, we now use common seed locations in RL and compute the correlation of each RL seed with activity across the imaged cortical field. This allows us to ask more directly whether different locations in RL are associated with spatially distinct regions in both V1 and S1. We now show both the raw correlation maps, in which the RGB channels reflect the correlation values for the three RL seeds (new Figure 2E), and the thresholded/maximum channel representation, in which each pixel is assigned to the strongest of the three color channels (new Figure 2F). The raw correlation maps make the correlation structure visible without relying solely on thresholding, whereas the maximum-channel representation highlights the spatial ordering of the strongest correlations.

      With this revised analysis, the topographic relationship across V1, RL, and S1 is clearer and no longer depends on comparing separate V1- and S1-seeded maps. We also clarified in the figure legend and Methods how the RGB maps are computed, how the maximum-channel maps are generated, and how thresholded pixels are represented. In addition, we added Supplementary Figure S1 to show further functional-correlation-map examples across PN9, PN10, and PN13 recordings, with seed locations in V1, S1, or RL as indicated in each panel.

      (1b) It is essential to know how areas were drawn. High precision is required.

      Consistent delineation of cortical areas is absolutely essential for interpreting the functional correlation maps. We have therefore expanded the Methods to describe how cortical areas were delineated from the wide-field recordings. Briefly, recordings were acquired in a field of view defined relative to lambda and the midline, and cortical-area outlines were assigned using published reference maps together with the spatial organization of spontaneous activity patterns and functional correlation maps. This approach follows the procedure we previously validated for developmental wide-field recordings (Leighton et al., 2021).

      To make this transparent, we added Supplementary Figure S3, which illustrates how the reference-map-based outlines were overlaid on the imaging field of view and how functional correlation maps and individual network events helped identify the boundaries of V1 and neighboring areas. We also clarified this in the Methods.

      (1c) It is not clear if correlated activity means different events in sync or large events that cover 2 or all 3 cortical areas of interest. The figure points to the second option, which contradicts the size of events at these stages, mainly in the oldest mice analyzed here.

      The reviewer asks whether the correlations reflect spatially confined events occurring near-synchronously in different cortical areas, or instead large events spanning V1, RL, and S1. To clarify this point, we revised Figure 2 to show representative activity traces and individual frames from the wide-field recordings (new Figure 2B–D). These examples show that activity can be localized to distinct subregions within V1, RL, and S1 while occurring at similar times across areas. Thus, the observed correlations are not well explained by single large events spreading continuously across the entire imaged field.

      We have revised the Results and Figure 2 to make this clearer. In addition, the lagged cross-correlation analysis in Figure 2G shows that V1–S1 correlations peak near zero lag and decay for both positive and negative lags, arguing against a stereotyped travelling-wave-like propagation between the two primary sensory cortices as the dominant explanation for the observed correlations.

      (1d) It is fundamental to know in detail and provide examples of how the detection of events was performed. For instance, could the dispersion of light from an event in V1 close to RL cause the detection of activity in RL?

      The reviewer asks how events were detected in the wide-field recordings and whether light dispersion could lead to false-positive correlations between neighboring areas. We have clarified this point in the Methods. For the functional correlation analyses shown in Figure 2, we did not perform event detection. Instead, the correlation maps were computed from the continuous fluorescence time courses by calculating Pearson correlations between seed region activity and the activity of every pixel in the field of view. Thus, the functional correlation maps do not depend on detecting or assigning individual events.

      To address the concern about whether correlations could reflect light spread from large events rather than genuine co-activity across areas, we revised Figure 2 to include representative activity traces and individual frames from the wide-field recordings. These examples show that activity can be spatially confined to distinct subregions in V1, RL, and S1 while occurring at similar times across areas. This argues against the interpretation that the correlations are simply caused by a single event spreading continuously across the imaged field or by light dispersion from one area into another. We have also described the area delineation procedure in more detail in the Methods and added Supplementary Figure S3 to illustrate how activity patterns and functional correlation maps were used to assign outlines of distinct cortical areas.

      Although wide-field imaging cannot completely exclude minor contributions from light scattering near area borders, the spatially localized activation patterns and the topographically ordered correlation maps support the interpretation that the correlations reflect genuine nearsynchronous co-activity across V1, RL, and S1.

      (2) For the correlations among V1, S1, and RL, it is crucial to have a consistent method to delineate the borders of cortical areas. The authors mention in one sentence that areas were drawn according to a reference map. More details are needed to convince the reader that the borders are accurate, especially because their shape and position change with age.

      As described in our response to point 1b, we have expanded the Methods to clarify how cortical-area borders were delineated in the wide-field recordings. Briefly, recordings were acquired in a field of view defined relative to lambda and the midline, and cortical area outlines were assigned using published reference maps together with the spatial organization of spontaneous activity patterns and functional correlation maps. We also added Supplementary Figure S3, which illustrates how the outlines based on reference maps were overlaid on the imaging field of view and how functional correlation maps and individual network events helped identify the boundaries of V1 and neighboring areas. This makes the delineation procedure more transparent across animals and developmental ages.

      (3) The results from the model seem to be based on the initial bias in connectivity between neighboring cells from the different areas. Then, it seems straightforward that implementing correlated activity with Hebbian and synaptic depression rules will force the strengthening of connections between spatially close cells. Despite this apparent predisposition of the model towards a defined outcome, the flaws in the experimental data used prevent a rigorous interpretation of the computational model.

      We understand the reviewer’s concern that the initial topographic bias could predispose the model toward the emergence of topographic maps. However, the model results show that this bias is not by itself sufficient to determine the final organization (Figure 3B,E,G– I). When V1–S1 correlations are weak, many RL neurons decouple from the primary sensory inputs, resulting in poor topography and few bimodal neurons (Figure 3E,G–I). Conversely, when V1–S1 correlations are very strong, the two input maps become highly aligned, but topography is degraded because many RL neurons receive similar visual and somatosensory inputs at the same topographic location, thereby overriding the initial topographic bias (Figure 3E,G,H). Thus, the initial bias does not simply determine the final map structure. Rather, appropriate topography, map alignment, and the emergence of a mixture of unimodal and bimodal neurons require an intermediate level of correlated activity.

      We have revised the manuscript to make this interpretation clearer. We also strengthened the experimental basis for the activity structure used in the model by revising Figure 2 and the corresponding Results and Methods. The revised analyses now show near-synchronous but spatially distinct activation of V1, RL, and S1, a lagged cross-correlation analysis arguing against stereotyped travelling-wave-like propagation between V1 and S1, and functional correlation maps computed from common RL seed locations. Together, these additions clarify the spatial and temporal structure of the spontaneous activity used to motivate the model.

      Finally, as described in our response to Reviewer 1, point 4, we have extended the model to test the role of the initial bias more directly in combination with experimentally measured differences in V1 and S1 activity patterns. In this analysis, we incorporated these activity differences and examined how they interact with different levels of initial connectivity bias (Supplementary Figure S2). These simulations show that more mature S1-like activity patterns alone are not sufficient to generate the appropriate topographic and aligned maps, and that an initial connectivity bias is required. At the same time, consistent with Figure 3, this bias does not by itself determine the final organization; the outcome also depends on the temporal correlation structure of V1 and S1 activity.

      We agree that the initial topographic bias remains an important modeling assumption, consistent with the idea that coarse activity-independent mechanisms provide an initial scaffold for later activity-dependent refinement. We now present the model accordingly: not as showing that correlated activity alone creates topography from an entirely unstructured circuit, but as showing how structured spontaneous activity can refine an initially coarse topographic scaffold to produce aligned multisensory maps and a mixture of unimodal and bimodal RL neurons.

      (4) In the Introduction, the authors nicely and briefly explain the role of primary and higher order sensory cortices in information processing. They also explain how spontaneous activity during development helps to build these circuits by refining connections or establishing hierarchies. They continue explaining the relevance of aligning different topographic maps to allow multisensory integration. Then they provide some examples of sites of multisensory integration. This provides a general context for the data presented in the Results section; however, and importantly, there is no specific introduction of why they are interested in RL and its interaction with V1 and S1. The authors should introduce the RL area and explain why it is an interesting site for multisensory processing.

      We thank the reviewer for pointing this out. We have revised the Introduction to make the rationale for focusing on RL more explicit. Specifically, we now introduce RL as a higher-order cortical area located between V1 and S1 that receives topographically organized input from both primary sensory cortices and contains overlapping visual and tactile representations. We also clarify that RL is a particularly relevant area for studying multisensory map alignment because corresponding locations in visual and whisker space can converge onto the same RL neurons, including bimodal neurons. Finally, we expanded the Introduction to explain that RL has been implicated in visually guided tactile behaviors and cross-modal generalization, making it an appropriate model system for studying how aligned multisensory representations emerge during development.

      (5) The results shown in Figure 1 corroborate published data from Golshani et al, Rochefort et al, Murakami et al. While the reproduction of data is more than welcome, the authors should specify which part of the data is completely new and acknowledge clearly the rest as corroboration of previous data. The sentence "As described in previous experiments ..." partially acknowledges this fact but is not clear enough. In addition, the transition between this part of the manuscript and the next data is not smooth. Data seems to be used to feed the model so perhaps the organization of the manuscript leaves room for improvement.

      We thank the reviewer for pointing this out. We have therefore revised the Results to clarify that the developmental sparsification of spontaneous activity in V1 is consistent with previous work, including Portera-Cailliau, Konnerth, Hanganu-Opatz, Crair and Ohki labs as well as our own (Siegel et al. 2021) and that similar developmental trends in S1 and RL corroborate and extend these observations across the sensory and higher-order cortical areas analyzed here.

      We also clarified what is new in the present analysis. Specifically, our contribution is not simply to reproduce previously described developmental sparsification, but to compare V1, S1, and RL within the same experimental and statistical framework, revealing that S1 exhibits more mature activity features earlier than V1 and RL. We also revised the transition to the next section to make clearer how these measurements motivate the subsequent analysis of temporally and spatially correlated spontaneous activity between V1, S1, and RL.

      Reviewer #3 (Public review):

      Summary:

      The study by Dwulet et al. explores how the development of spontaneous neural activity in primary sensory cortices influences the co-alignment of multiple sensory modalities in higher order brain areas (HOAs). To address this question, they focus on connectivity between the primary visual (V1) and somatosensory (S1) cortices and an associative cortical area (RL) in mice. The authors combine experimental (wide-field and two-photon calcium imaging) and computational approaches to show that spontaneous activity matures at a different pace across these brain regions. Their data indicate that S1 develops more rapidly than V1, which is possibly beneficial for RL's integration of visual and somatosensory inputs through correlated spontaneous activity. Using a computational model, they demonstrate that a moderate correlation between V1 and S1 activity can optimally guide the formation of bimodal neurons in RL, which are crucial for maximizing the decodability of multisensory stimuli. This finding highlights the role of correlated spontaneous activity in primary sensory cortices in establishing co-aligned topographic multimodal sensory representations in downstream circuits.

      Strengths:

      The manuscript is well written and it provides strong enough evidence to support the main claim of the authors. The insights on the role of correlated activity on instructing co-aligned multisensory maps in HOAs are not trivial and are an important advancement for the field.

      Weaknesses:

      In the opinion of this reviewer, the study has no major weaknesses. A drawback of the work is that none of the predictions of the computational modeling have been corroborated through mechanistic experimental manipulations of early brain activity.

      We thank the reviewer for their positive assessment of the manuscript and for highlighting the importance of the model predictions. We agree that a direct mechanistic perturbation of early spontaneous activity would provide an important future test of the model. Such experiments could, for example, perturb the temporal correlation structure between V1 and S1 during the relevant developmental window and then test whether this affects the alignment of V1/S1 maps in RL and the emergence of bimodal RL neurons.

      In the present study, we focused on identifying candidate features of spontaneous activity that could instruct multisensory map alignment and testing their sufficiency in a computational model. We now explicitly acknowledge in the Discussion that causal perturbations of early spontaneous activity will be needed to validate the model predictions experimentally. We believe this provides an important direction for future work while preserving the main conclusion of the current study: that structured, moderately correlated spontaneous activity provides a plausible developmental mechanism for refining aligned multisensory representations in higher-order cortex.

      Recommendations for the authors:

      Reviewer #1 (Recommendations for the authors):

      Additional comments/suggestions for the figures:

      (1) In Figure 1D-G, some of the dots lie almost directly on top of each other, essentially "hiding" certain data points. Using different shapes for each of the three regions might help alleviate this issue and make the data more visually distinct.

      We thank the reviewer for this suggestion. We have revised Figure 1D-G so that the three cortical regions are shown with different marker shapes. This should make overlapping data points easier to distinguish and clarify that each point corresponds to the average value for one animal and cortical region at the indicated postnatal age.

      (2) In Figure 2D-E, RGB color values are used to represent the highest correlation coefficient across the three seeded areas. It would be more informative if these also depicted the magnitude of the correlations, possibly through a color gradient. Additionally, the black regions in these panels are not currently defined and should be clarified.

      We have revised the functional correlation-map analysis and its presentation in Figure 2, as suggested by the reviewer. In the revised figure, the main correlation-map panels now use three seed locations in RL and show the resulting correlations across the imaged cortical field. We present the maps in two complementary ways. First, the raw RGB correlation map shows the correlation values for all three seed locations, with the intensity of each color channel reflecting the magnitude of the corresponding Pearson correlation coefficient (new Fig. 2E). Second, the maximum-channel representation assigns each pixel to the seed location with the strongest correlation, while still preserving correlation strength through pixel intensity (new Fig. 2F).

      We have also added color scales to relate pixel intensity to correlation magnitude and clarified that black pixels in the maximum-channel representation correspond to pixels below the correlation threshold used for visualization. The figure legend and Methods now describe how the RGB maps and maximum-channel maps were computed. Finally, we added Supplementary Figure S1 with additional examples from PN9, PN10, and PN13 recordings, with seed locations in V1, S1, or RL as indicated in each panel. This illustrates that they are quite similar across the ages investigated here.

      (3) I found Figure 3F a bit difficult to interpret without referring to the Methods section for the definitions of Topography and Alignment. Since these definitions are relatively short and essential for understanding all the modeling figures, I suggest moving them into the main text where they are first introduced.

      The definitions of Topography and Alignment have been added to the text where they are introduced.

      (4) In Figures 3-5, it is unclear what causes the variability in the model’s responses, as there are two potential sources of randomness: the initial random connectivity matrix and the correlated inputs driving the system. Are either of these fixed? For example, is the distribution of dots along the y-axis in Figure 3G-H, which corresponds to zero correlation between V1 and S1, driven by variability in the initial connectivity matrix, the random timing of input events, or a combination of both? If it’s a combination, it would be interesting to tease this effect apart by fixing one form of randomness and recreating these plots.

      In the original simulations in Figures 3–5, neither source of randomness was fixed across runs: each point corresponds to an independent developmental realization with a newly sampled initial connectivity matrix and a newly sampled sequence of spontaneous input events. The initial connectivity was random but weakly biased toward matched topographic location, while spontaneous activity consisted of stochastic independent and shared events activating randomly chosen contiguous groups of neurons (as explained in the main text and Methods). Thus, for example, the spread of points at zero V1–S1 correlation in Figures 3G–H reflects a combination of variability in the initial connectivity and variability in the independent V1 and S1 event histories. At zero correlation, no shared V1–S1 events are present, so this spread does not reflect variability in correlated shared events, but rather run-to-run differences in the two independently refined maps.

      We have clarified this point in the text and figure legend. We agree that fixing one source of randomness while varying the other would be an interesting additional analysis to decompose the relative contribution of initial wiring versus input history. However, the goal of the present simulations was to characterize the ensemble of possible developmental outcomes when both initial connectivity and spontaneous activity vary, as expected biologically.

      This interpretation is also consistent with the earlier two-layer model from developmental refinements from retina/thalamus to V1 (Wosniack et al., eLife 2021) on which our model builds, where final receptive fields emerge from the interaction between weak biased initial connectivity and stochastic structured spontaneous activity. In the current three-layer extension, the same principle applies to two converging projections, from V1 to RL and from S1 to RL. The initial topographic bias constrains the possible map structure, while the spatiotemporal statistics of V1 and S1 activity determine whether the two maps remain separate, align, or collapse into overly bimodal representations.

      (5) The specific parameter values used to create the panels in the modeling figures (Figures 3 and 4) should be made clearer, at least in the figure captions. For example, in Figure 3E, the exact values for the “weak,” “medium,” and “strong” correlations should be provided. Additionally, Figure 4 does not mention the strength of the correlated input considered, which should be specified as well.

      The values for the weak, medium and strong correlations have been added to the figure caption of Figure 3. The input correlation for Figure 4 is also now specified in the figure caption.

      (6) There is an odd vertical line in Figure 3I that doesn’t appear to be discussed or defined. Its purpose should be clarified, or the line should be removed if it is unintentional.

      This line has been removed.

      (7) There is a typo in the caption for Figure 3. Panel 'K' should be panel 'J'.

      This typo has been corrected.

      (8) In the text, the authors write "With these connectivity refinements, the generated activity in RL became sparser in terms of amplitude and participation rate (Figure 3J)." While this appears to be the case for this single example, it is difficult to confirm without zooming in on the panel. These quantities should be computed across multiple instances, and a summary plot should be provided to support this statement.

      The experimentally measured developmental sparsification of RL activity is quantified (independent of the model) in Figure 1D–F.

      We see how the original wording placed too much weight on the illustrative example in Figure 3J. We have revised the text to clarify that Figure 3J shows a representative simulation illustrating how RL activity changes as V1/S1-to-RL connectivity refines, rather than a separate population-level quantification across model instances.

      At the same time, this example is not meant to introduce a new, unsupported mechanism. The model used here is an extension of our previous two-layer model of developmental refinements between retina/thalamus and V1, in which spontaneous activity refined feedforward receptive fields from thalamus to V1. In that study, we specifically quantified how receptive field refinement led to sparsification of cortical activity in V1 over development, including reduced event amplitude, reduced event size/participation, and reduced pairwise correlations (Wosniack et al., 2021). Thus, the example shown in Figure 3J is consistent with a mechanism that has already been systematically characterized in the simpler two-layer setting.

      In the present manuscript, the central modeling results concern the emergence of topography, alignment, and the balance of unimodal and bimodal RL neurons. We therefore have softened the corresponding statement and explicitly refer to Figure 3J as an illustrative example.

      (9) Figure 5C is a bit difficult to interpret. The corresponding text states, "However, when activity across V1 and S1 is moderately correlated, having some unimodal RL neurons can achieve a higher total maximum fraction of variance for both V1 and S1 compared to the purely bimodal case (Figure 5C)", from which I infer that these dots represent networks resulting from "moderate correlations." However, the exact range of correlations considered should be mentioned in the text or figure caption. Additionally, I find it unusual that some networks with close to 0% bimodal cells perform quite well in reconstructing both S1 and V1. Many data points overlap, but I notice quite a few pale dots in the upper right of the plot. I believe this should be addressed in the main text.

      We thank the reviewer for this helpful comment. We have added the correlation values used for the simulations in Figure 5C to the figure caption and clarified the interpretation in the Results. The high reconstruction performance for some networks with relatively few bimodal cells arises because, when V1 and S1 activity are not perfectly correlated, unimodal RL neurons can provide unambiguous information about activity in one sensory area. In contrast, a purely bimodal population can make it more difficult to distinguish whether one or both primary sensory cortices were active. Thus, for moderately correlated inputs, a mixture of unimodal and bimodal RL neurons can reconstruct both sensory areas better than a population composed entirely of bimodal neurons. We have revised the main text to make this point explicit.

      (10) The network schematics in Figures 3A and 5A could be improved to better illustrate the network setup using a similar approach as the one used by this research group in Wosniack et al. (2021). Adding arrowheads to the lines from V1/S1 to RL would clarify that these are purely feedforward inputs. It would also be helpful to depict that V1 and S1 are driven by correlated events that are spatially structured.

      We thank the reviewer for this helpful suggestion. We have revised the schematics in Figures 3A and 5A to make the feedforward nature of the model clearer by adding arrowheads to the projections from V1 and S1 to RL. We have also clarified the depiction and description of the input activity. Specifically, Figure 3C shows the spontaneous events driving V1 and S1 in the model, including shared events that are both temporally correlated and spatially structured across corresponding topographic locations in the two primary sensory areas. These shared events activate matched contiguous groups of neurons in V1 and S1, while independent events activate randomly chosen contiguous groups within each area. We have clarified this point in the Results and Methods.

      General comments regarding the text (including typos):

      (1) In Statistical analysis, "In wide-field calcium imaging (we re-analyzed data from [46] (Figure 1))..." should be referencing Figure 2.

      Typo fixed.

      (2) Right before Table 1, the authors mention that they ran the simulations for 500,000 milliseconds, which is 500 seconds. This doesn't seem long enough for the weights to approach their steady-state values given the inter-event interval. Since the example simulations in Figure 3 are 1,000 seconds long, I'm guessing this is a typo.

      Typo fixed. Indeed the simulations in Figure 3 were 1,000 ms (1 s) long.

      (3) The specific time step used for the simulations should be specified. Currently, the text only mentions "sufficiently small time steps".

      We have now specified the simulation time step in the Methods.

      (4) In the Rate-based network model section, you write "These biased weights decay with a Gaussian profile with increasing distance (Figure 3)), with amplitude a and spread s", but Table 1 denotes these parameters differently.

      We have corrected the notation so that the parameter names are consistent between the Methods and Table 1.

      (5) Currently, all differential equations are written as 1/tau*df/dt. Based on the units of your time constants (seconds), I believe these equations should be tau*df/dt.

      We have corrected the differential-equation notation.

      (6) Equations 5-6 and 8 should be differential equations.

      We have corrected these equations so that they are written as differential equations. These mistakes happened because we changed formats between from Word to Latex.

      (7) The expectation in Equation 8 is not clearly defined and I would think here that the W_ij's should be within expectations. In the next paragraph, the authors specify that they are interested in a specific case of W_ij's, but this condition has not been introduced yet.

      We thank the reviewer for pointing out this ambiguity. We have revised the text around Equation 8 to define the expectation more clearly and to introduce the specific steady-state connectivity configuration before it is used. Because the expectation is taken over the input activity statistics at steady state, the weights are fixed quantities in this calculation. Including W_ij inside the expectation would therefore not change the result, but we have revised the notation and explanatory text to make this clearer.

      (8) The expectation in Equation 8 is not clearly defined, and I believe that the W_ij’s should be included within the expectations (in the following paragraph, the authors mention that they are interested in a specific case of W_ij’s, but this condition has not yet been introduced).

      This comment is the same as the one above. Please see the point above for the reply.

      (9) At the start of "Optimal weight matrix for correlated input populations", you write that the vector X is M x 1. If that is the case X'X would be a 1x1 matrix. I'm not sure if you meant to write X as 1 x M or to examine XX'.

      We thank the reviewer for pointing out this dimensional inconsistency. We have corrected the notation in the Methods. The concatenated input vector X=[v; s] has size M x 1, so the relevant input covariance matrix is X X^T not X^T X. This covariance matrix has size M x M, as required for the eigenvector analysis. We revised the corresponding equations and explanatory text accordingly.

      (10) Equation 11 has an s_i on the right-hand side that should be a \mu_s.

      Typo fixed.

      Reviewer #2 (Recommendations for the authors):

      Some sentences may require more scientific rigor. For instance: "We found that activity between the visual and the somatosensory cortex is often, but not always, temporally synchronized.

      We have revised the Results to state the quantitative observations more explicitly. Specifically for this example, we now report that the average activity in V1 and S1 across PN9PN12 animals showed a range of Pearson correlation coefficients with a mean of approximately 0.5. We also describe the examples in Figure 2B-D as near-synchronous but spatially distinct activation of subregions in V1, RL, and S1, and we use the lagged cross-correlation analysis in Figure 2G to support the conclusion that V1-S1 correlations peak near zero lag rather than reflecting stereotyped propagation with a fixed delay.

      Reviewer #3 (Recommendations for the authors):

      Minor suggestions on how to improve some specific aspects of the manuscript.

      Introduction:

      (1) What do the authors mean when they write "Higher-order areas (HOAs) situated between primary sensory areas"? This sentence might need some editing.

      We have revised the sentence to clarify that we are referring to higher-order cortical areas that receive and combine inputs from multiple primary sensory areas. We now also state explicitly that some of these areas, including RL, are anatomically positioned between the primary sensory cortices whose inputs they integrate.

      (2) In later portions of the manuscript, it becomes clear what the authors mean when they write “whereby sensory neurons converge onto higher-order cortex while preserving space”, but I think that it would be beneficial if this statement would be better explained also in the introduction.

      This has been clarified in the introduction. Specifically, we now clarify that topographic convergence means that neurons representing corresponding regions of sensory space in different primary sensory areas can project to overlapping or nearby locations in higher-order cortex. In the case of RL, this means that visual and tactile representations with corresponding spatial organization can converge onto RL neurons, including bimodal neurons.

      (3) Could the authors provide some more information about RL and the rationale as to why it was chosen as the HOA that they investigated in the study?

      We have expanded the Introduction to make the rationale for focusing on RL more explicit. We now introduce RL as a higher-order cortical area located between V1 and S1 that receives topographically organized input from both primary sensory cortices. We also explain that RL contains overlapping visual and tactile representations, including bimodal neurons, and that corresponding locations in visual and whisker space can converge in RL. In addition, we now note that RL has been implicated in visually guided tactile behavior and cross-modal generalization. These anatomical and functional properties make RL a particularly suitable model system for studying how aligned multisensory representations emerge.

      Results:

      (1) "RL was found to slightly lag behind V1 and S1". On what evidence is this statement based upon? As far as I can understand, there are no significant differences between V1 and RL besides amplitudes being higher in RL, which I don't think can be univocally interpreted as a sign that RL lags behind V1 in the developmental profile.

      The evidence for a delayed RL maturation relative to V1 and S1 is limited and comes from the pattern of coefficient estimates in the linear mixed models, now shown in Supplementary Tables S1-S3, rather than from a robust difference across all measured activity features. We have therefore revised the Results to state more conservatively that RL and V1 develop more similarly during the second postnatal week, while S1 shows more mature activity features earlier in development. The full linear mixed-model comparisons using V1, S1, and RL as reference areas are provided in Supplementary Tables S1-S3.

      (2) Figure 1H is very hard to read.

      (a) The slopes and the intercepts have values that differ by orders of magnitude, so the slopes get squeezed and become invisible. Further, the different parts of the plots (e.g. the one of amplitude and duration) are almost overlapping, which is a bit confusing. Slopes and intercepts should also have different units of measure (see Equation 3), so I wonder how they can lie on the same axis. Can the authors try to plot the data in a manner that is easier to visually inspect?

      (b) Including the "reference" (V1) intercept in H is also a bit misleading, as one might intuitively interpret it as a difference between V1 and other brain areas. Perhaps the overall differences between brain areas (regardless of age) might be best represented in a plot without age on the x-axis (only brain area). Alternatively, one might point them out directly on the plots in DG.

      (c) In D-G, what do the individual dots represent? The legend states N=10 animals, but I only see ~6 dots per plot.

      We thank the reviewer for these helpful points. We have revised the caption of Figure 1H and added Supplementary Tables S1-S3, which provide the full linear mixed-model estimates for each choice of reference area. These tables report the intercepts, slopes, interaction terms, confidence intervals, and significance levels in a format that avoids placing quantities with different units and scales on the same visual axis.

      For the caption of Figure 1H: The V1 value corresponds to the model intercept at PN8, whereas the age coefficient corresponds to the slope for V1. The S1, RL, Age: S1, and Age: RL terms represent differences relative to this reference model. To avoid the impression that the V1 intercept represents a difference between areas, we now explicitly state that the coefficients in Figure 1H are interpreted relative to V1 at PN8, and that the complete comparisons using S1 and RL as reference areas are provided in Supplementary Tables S2 and S3.

      Finally, we clarified that the individual points in Figure 1D–G represent animal-level averages for each cortical area at the indicated age. The value N = 9 refers to the total number of animals included across the dataset, not to the number of animals at each postnatal age. Because recordings were distributed across ages and some points overlap visually, fewer points are visible in individual panels than the total N.

      (3) Figure 2B-C: at which lag does this correlation peak? Is it at 0ms? Or does one brain area precede/follow the other one?

      We thank the reviewer for this comment. We have revised Figure 2 to include a lagged V1–S1 cross-correlation analysis. The V1–S1 correlation peaks close to zero lag and decreases for both positive and negative lags, indicating that the dominant temporal relationship is near-synchronous rather than consistent with fixed-delay propagation from one primary sensory cortex to the other. The curves show a mild asymmetry, with somewhat stronger correlations when S1 precedes V1, but because the dominant peak is near zero lag, we interpret the data primarily as evidence for near-synchronous, spatially structured coactivity across areas rather than stereotyped travelling-wave propagation. We have added this interpretation to the Results and clarified the temporal-lag convention in the Figure 2 legend.

      (4) Figure 2D-E: in the methods section the authors report that "The actual color of each pixel represents the highest coefficient of correlation value across the three channels." I think that this important information should be included in the main text or the legend of the figure.

      We have changed Fig. 2 now to clarify the quantification of the functional correlation maps and also added the information requested by the reviewer to the figure legend.

      (5) Figure 3D: I think that it would be beneficial if the authors would highlight directly in the figure that those connectivity matrices are between V1/S1 and RL.

      This information has been added to the figure.

      (6) Figure 3I: does the vertical line correspond to the "critical amount of temporal correlation" (eq. 2)? If so, could the authors provide this information in the figure or the figure legend?

      This line was unintentional and has been removed.

      (7) It would be nice if the data that was generated for this study (and the data that has already been published and was used to generate Figure 2) would be made publicly available on an open-access repository.

      We agree that open data sharing is important. We have made the code used for the model and figure generation available in the repository listed in the Data and Code Availability section. At present, we are not able to deposit the complete raw imaging datasets in an open repository because the wide-field and two-photon imaging files are very large, amounting to multiple terabytes, and we do not currently have a sustainable hosting solution for these raw data. We will share data upon request, and we will deposit the raw imaging datasets in an appropriate open repository if a feasible long-term hosting solution becomes available.

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    1. eLife Assessment

      This study in the Drosophila antennal lobe, which contains multiple non-equivalent sensory channels, provides valuable new insight into how early-life sensory experience can produce lasting, cell-type-specific changes in neural circuit function. The work demonstrates that glial-mediated pruning during a defined developmental window leads to persistent suppression of odor responses in one olfactory neuron type, while sparing another. The evidence is convincing and supported by multiple complementary approaches, although some mechanistic interpretations remain speculative and would benefit from additional functional testing.

    2. Reviewer #1 (Public review):

      Summary:

      This study builds on earlier work showing that early-life odor exposure can trigger glial-mediated pruning of specific olfactory neuron terminals in Drosophila. Moving from indirect to direct functional imaging, the authors show that pruning during a narrow developmental window leads to long-lasting suppression of odor responses in one neuron type (Or42a) but not another (Or43b). The combination of calcium and voltage imaging with connectomic analysis is a strength, though the voltage imaging results are less straightforward to interpret and may not reflect synaptic output changes alone.

      Strengths:

      Biologically, one of the main strengths of this work is the direct comparison between two odor-responsive OSN types that differ in their long-term adaptation to early-life odor exposure. While Or42a OSNs undergo pruning and remain persistently suppressed into late adulthood, Or43b OSNs, which also respond to the same odor, show little lasting change. This contrast not only underscores the cell-type specificity of critical-period plasticity but also points to a potential role of inhibitory network architecture in determining susceptibility. The persistence of the Or42a suppression well beyond the developmental window provides compelling evidence that early glia-mediated pruning can imprint a stable, life-long functional state on selected sensory channels. By situating these functional outcomes within the context of detailed connectomic data, the study offers a framework for linking structural connectivity to long-term sensory coding stability or vulnerability.

      Comments on revised version:

      I thank the authors for their careful revision and thoughtful responses to the reviewers' comments. The revised manuscript addresses my previous concerns in a satisfactory manner, and the interpretation of the findings has been appropriately clarified and balanced. I have no further major comments.

    3. Reviewer #2 (Public review):

      Recent work from the authors identified the synaptic changes and glial reaction that occurs during exposure of a Drosophila odorant receptor neuron population to continued exposure of a stimulating odorant. This work markedly advanced our understanding of cellular response to critical periods. This current Advance manuscript carries that work forward and examines the non-autonomous responses to constant odorant exposure. The authors discover that the changes to ORN populations are not accompanied by changes to either PN dendrite or PN axon volume, nor are they concurrent with changes in postsynaptic PN structures. These changes are, however, notable accompanied by changes in Ca2+ and voltage responses in ORNs. Importantly, this set of responses is specific for the Or42a ORNs (that are highly sensitive to the odorant in question, ethyl butyrate) and not the Or43b ORNs (which respond to ethyl butyrate, but not as drastically). Finally, the authors include connectomics analyses showing that Or43b and Or42a ORNs differ in their synaptic input/output relationships.

      This is an excellent use of the Advance mechanism for the journal as these are important follow-up findings for the parent story. The non-autonomous effects (or lack thereof) on PNs is an important part of the story as is the functional response of Or42a ORNs and the differing response of similarly (but not identically) sensitive Or43b ORNs. The experiments are well conceived, controlled, and conducted. Where the story falters a bit, though, is with the connectomics analysis. The authors show distinct differences between Or43b and Or42b ORN input output relationships and suggest that those differences may underlie the differences observed in their response to ethyl butyrate exposure during the critical period. This is certainly a possibility, but as it stands now, it is too disconnected to offer significant proof. There would have to be additional experiments to address this. Right now, the inclusion of the connectomics work feels like a distraction at best, and a complete non sequitur at worst. To be clear, the connectomics work is well done and I have no issues with its validity, but is not helpful to the central thesis of the work. I would suggest the authors either remove it entirely or strongly rethink how it fits into the paper.

      Comments on revised version:

      I appreciate the consideration of my comments and the authors' responses. The additional data on PN synapse number is intriguing (and welcome) as is the text discussing potential postsynaptic compensatory mechanisms. I respect the authors' decision in retaining the connectivity analysis, but despite the textual changes, I still feel that it is peripherally related to the main thesis of the work and would best be omitted from the paper and included in a separate, more relevant study. Ultimately, though, that is their choice.

    4. Author response:

      The following is the authors’ response to the original reviews.

      Public Reviews:

      Reviewer #1 (Public review):

      Summary:

      This study builds on earlier work showing that early-life odor exposure can trigger glial-mediated pruning of specific olfactory neuron terminals in Drosophila. Moving from indirect to direct functional imaging, the authors show that pruning during a narrow developmental window leads to long-lasting suppression of odor responses in one neuron type (Or42a) but not another (Or43b). The combination of calcium and voltage imaging with connectomic analysis is a strength, though the voltage imaging results are less straightforward to interpret and may not reflect synaptic output changes alone.

      Strengths:

      Biologically, one of the main strengths of this work is the direct comparison between two odor-responsive OSN types that differ in their long-term adaptation to early-life odor exposure. While Or42a OSNs undergo pruning and remain persistently suppressed into late adulthood, Or43b OSNs, which also respond to the same odor, show little lasting change. This contrast not only underscores the cell-type specificity of critical-period plasticity but also points to a potential role of inhibitory network architecture in determining susceptibility. The persistence of the Or42a suppression well beyond the developmental window provides compelling evidence that early glia-mediated pruning can imprint a stable, life-long functional state on selected sensory channels. By situating these functional outcomes within the context of detailed connectomic data, the study offers a framework for linking structural connectivity to long-term sensory coding stability or vulnerability.

      Weaknesses:

      The narrative begins with the absence of changes in PN dendrites and axons. While this establishes specificity, it is a relatively weak starting point compared to the novel OSN functional results.

      We agree that switching the order of Figures 1 and 2 recontextualizes the negative PN morphology findings to make their significance more clear, especially with the addition of PN odour-evoked activity data (see Figures 2A, B of the revised manuscript).

      Calcium imaging with GCaMP, though widely used, is an indirect measure of synaptic function, and reduced signals could reflect changes in non-synaptic calcium influx as well as release probability. The interpretation of the voltage imaging results is also unclear: if suppression were solely due to impaired synaptic release, one might expect action potential-evoked voltage signals to remain unchanged. The reported changes raise the possibility of deficits in action potential initiation or propagation, which would shift the mechanistic explanation.

      Although it is true that non-synaptic Ca<sup>2+</sup<> influx could contribute to odour-evoked signals in OSN axon terminals, it seems likely to be a relatively small contribution when compared to Ca<sup>2+</sup> influx via voltage-gated Ca<sup>2+</sup> channels at the active zone. Given the observation that synaptic markers are eliminated during this form of critical period plasticity and remain decreased even after OSNs regrow their terminals days later (consistent with our observed continued decrease in odour-evoked responses), the most parsimonious explanation is that we are seeing a reduction in synaptic Ca<sup>2+</sup> influx. We cannot dismiss the possibility that there is a decreased voltage signal arising from fewer action potentials being elicited by the odour stimulation. However, the reduction in voltage signal must arise at least in part from the observed reduction in Ca<sup>2+</sup> influx. We have therefore provided additional text to this effect in the results section.

      The difference between Or42a and Or43b OSNs is attributed to varying inhibitory input densities from connectome data, but this remains speculative without functional tests such as manipulating GABA receptor expression in OSNs. In Or43b, there is essentially no strong phenotype, making it premature to ascribe the absence of suppression solely to inhibitory connectivity.

      We have tempered our conclusions to posit additional mechanisms that could explain the more mild pruning that occurs for Or43b OSNs. While the pruning phenotype for Or43b OSNs is not as strong as Or42a, it is not absent. To further explore the contribution of inhibition as a candidate mechanism underlying differences in susceptibility of Or42a and Or43b to this form of critical period plasticity we compared the relative impact of knocking down expression of GABA-A receptor (called “rdl”) in Or42a and Or43b OSNs. Consistent with the degree of pruning being regulated inhibition, knocking down expression of rdl enhanced pruning for both Or42a and Or43b OSNs. However, because the magnitude of the enhancement was similar between both OSN types, we agree with the reviewer that inhibitory connectivity cannot be the sole mechanism that explains the difference and have therefore tempered our language appropriately.

      Finally, the study does not connect circuit-level changes to behavioral outcomes; assays of odor-guided attraction or discrimination could place the findings in an organismal context.

      We agree that behavioral assays will be a critical component for understanding the functional consequences of this form of critical period plasticity. However, the goal of this study was to extend our prior work to determine the longevity and selectivity of the critical period pruning. Behavioral assays testing the consequences of this form of early life plasticity will be a component of future studies.

      Some introduction material overlaps with the authors' 2024 paper, and the novelty of the present study could be signposted more clearly.

      We have included text to highlight the novelty of the present study.

      Reviewer #2 (Public review):

      Recent work from the authors identified the synaptic changes and glial reaction that occur during exposure of a Drosophila odorant receptor neuron population to continued exposure of a stimulating odorant. This work markedly advanced our understanding of cellular response to critical periods. This current Advance manuscript carries that work forward and examines the non-autonomous responses to constant odorant exposure. The authors discover that the changes to ORN populations are not accompanied by changes to either PN dendrite or PN axon volume, nor are they concurrent with changes in postsynaptic PN structures. These changes are, however, notable, accompanied by changes in Ca2+ and voltage responses in ORNs. Importantly, this set of responses is specific to the Or42a ORNs (that are highly sensitive to the odorant in question, ethyl butyrate) and not the Or43b ORNs (which respond to ethyl butyrate, but not as drastically). Finally, the authors include connectomics analyses showing that Or43b and Or42a ORNs differ in their synaptic input/output relationships.

      This is an excellent use of the Advance mechanism for the journal, as these are important follow-up findings for the parent story. The non-autonomous effects (or lack thereof) on PNs is an important part of the story, as is the functional response of Or42a ORNs and the differing response of similarly (but not identically) sensitive Or43b ORNs. The experiments are well-conceived, controlled, and conducted. Where the story falters a bit, though, is with the connectomics analysis. The authors show distinct differences between Or43b and Or42b ORN input-output relationships, and suggest that those differences may underlie the differences observed in their response to ethyl butyrate exposure during the critical period. This is certainly a possibility, but as it stands now, it is too disconnected to offer significant proof. There would have to be additional experiments to address this. Right now, the inclusion of the connectomics work feels like a distraction at best, and a complete non sequitur at worst. To be clear, the connectomics work is well done and I have no issues with its validity, but it is not helpful to the central thesis of the work. I would suggest the authors either remove it entirely or strongly rethink how it fits into the paper.

      We have tempered our stated interpretations of the connectivity analysis and include new experiments examining the impact of GABA signaling on pruning. We have therefore opted to retain the connectivity analysis as we feel that it has been better integrated into the overall narrative of the paper.

      Major Concerns:

      (1) The examination of PN axon terminals in the MB and LH is interesting, but it is only one possibility. Oftentimes, the volume of neurons remains constant with perturbation, while the synapse number is affected. Figure 1C and E would be greatly helped by examining synapse number (via Brp or Brp-Short) in the PN axons.

      We agree that the counting synapse number would provide greater resolution information about synapse function relative to axon volume and have added this analysis to what is now Figure 2.

      (2) The use of dlg1[4K] is a strong use of a new tool, but the result is surprising. The presynaptic ORN synapse number onto the PNs is notably changed, but that is not reflected in a postsynaptic PSD-95 change. That suggests a compensatory mechanism that the authors might explore. A good proportion of PN puncta should be postsynaptic to those ORNs, so why aren't they adjusted?

      We agree that this result suggests that a compensatory mechanism may be present. We have therefore added new text to point out this observation and potential explanation.

      Recommendations for the authors:

      Reviewer #1 (Recommendations for the authors):

      The interpretation of the voltage imaging results would benefit from clarification. If these signals are reduced because of upstream action potential changes rather than synaptic release, this should be explicitly discussed and illustrated with representative raw traces for both OSN types. The proposed link between inhibitory connectivity and selective vulnerability could be tested more directly, for example, by manipulating GABA receptor function in OSNs.

      We have now tested the link between inhibitory connectivity and susceptibility to glial pruning by testing the effects of GABA receptor knockdown in either Or42a or Or43b OSNs (fully described above).

      Adding an intermediate post-exposure time point for Or42a responses could help resolve whether suppression is immediate or develops over time.

      The suppression of Or42a odour-evoked responses is present immediately after the 2 day exposure period and responses remain suppressed until 25 days post-eclosion, indicating that the suppression is immediate and sustained. We therefore respectfully disagree that another physiological time point will help resolve whether the suppression is immediate or develops over time.

      In terms of presentation, the introduction could be tightened to reduce overlap with the 2024 paper, figures should have clear axis labels and consistent terminology for neuron types and glomeruli, and a schematic summarising key inhibitory connections for Or42a vs. Or43b would aid clarity

      We have now streamlined the introduction, improved clarity on axis labels and checked for consistency of terminology.

      Minor Concerns:

      (1) The dlg1[4K] is made with a V5 epitope but the authors have it labeled mCD8::GFP in Figure 1F. This is likely a typo and should be corrected.

      This typo has now been corrected.

      (2) Can the responses be separated in Figures 2A, C, and E? It is difficult to see the differences in oil and EB exposure. This would make it much more straightforward to tell the difference if both traces were clearly visible.

      Overlaying the averaged response traces for in Figure 2C, E and G (now Figures 1C, E and G) enables the reader to make direct visual comparisons between the responses of OSNs from flies in each condition to both mineral oil and ethylbutyrate. Separating the individual traces would make it much more difficult to make these comparisons.

    1. eLife Assessment

      This is an important study that provides evidence that GATA6-dependent programming of peritoneal macrophages helps to regulate lipid metabolism and influences eosinophil survival. The evidence linking GATA6 deficiency to altered lipid profiles and eosinophil accumulation is solid, although the proposed mechanistic pathway connecting sphingolipid remodelling, LTE4 production and eosinophil survival currently remains incomplete. Strengthening these links and/or appropriately calming the conclusions would help to increase the impact of the study.

    2. Reviewer #1 (Public review):

      Summary:

      Recent findings have established that macrophage function is tailored to individual tissues through upregulation of tissue-specific transcription factors in response to local microenvironmental signals. However, how these transcriptional pathways affect macrophage lipid metabolism and the importance of this for homeostasis of neighbouring immune cells remains relatively uncharted. One exemplary pathway is the specific expression of GATA-6 by macrophages within the serous cavities that is triggered by local retinoic acid production. Here, Czubala et al have used mice with macrophage-specific deletion of GATA6 (GATA-6KO-mye) to study the importance of tissue-specific macrophage programming in regulating the macrophage and tissue lipidome and the functional importance of this for the regulation of eosinophil numbers in the tissue.

      Strengths and Weaknesses:

      The authors show accumulation of lipid-rich vesicles in the absence of GATA6, which lipidomic analysis suggests are largely comprised of sphingolipids and glycophospholipids. Using published transcriptional data identifies candidate genes in GATA6-deficient cells that may underlie these changes. Manipulating two of these candidate genes, Gba2 and Smpd1, in a macrophage cell line leads to similar changes in sphingolipid composition to those in GATA6-deficient macrophages in vivo, supporting the hypothesis that tissue specialisation of peritoneal macrophages induces transcriptional changes via GATA6 that directly control sphingolipid metabolism. GATA6 deficiency is then shown to affect the oxylipin content of peritoneal macrophages and peritoneal fluid, including higher levels of LTE4 in fluid. Elevated expression of the Ltc4s in GATA6-deficient cells is predicted as the likely mechanism leading to elevated LTE4.

      To determine the functional effects of altered lipid metabolism, and specifically LTE4, the authors focus on the elevated accumulation of peritoneal eosinophils previously reported to occur in GATA-6KO-mye mice. They show that eosinophils undergo less apoptosis in these mice and the absence of a measurable increase in known eosinophil chemokines leads them to conclude that eosinophil numbers arise through increased longevity. However, this point remains to be formally demonstrated, and directly measuring the longevity of eosinophils in the cavity would greatly strengthen their conclusions. The authors then examine known regulators of eosinophil survival, IL-5 and GM-CSF. They convincingly demonstrate a role for IL-5 in the regulation of peritoneal eosinophil numbers but conclude that survival factors other than IL-5 and GM-CSF likely control the differential numbers in control and GATA-6KO-mye mice, given IL-5 was observed to be a general survival signal in both genotypes and that no difference in the levels of these growth factors was observed in lavage fluid between genotypes. The authors then blocked production of prostaglandins using the inhibitor indomethacin. This treatment also led to a general reduction in survival and number of eosinophils in both control and GATA-6KO-mye mice, leading to the conclusion that altered prostaglandin production is not the underlying mechanism regulating elevated eosinophil numbers in the absence of GATA6.

      One weakness in these conclusions is that if the GATA-6-KO-mye phenotype does lead to increased production of a homeostatic growth factor for eosinophils, then inhibition/blockade of such a factor would be expected to lead to loss of eosinophils in both WT and GATA-6KO-mye mice. Furthermore, cytokines, chemokines, and lipid mediators can be rapidly bound and removed or metabolised in vivo by their receptors, meaning detecting an increase in production in body fluids can be difficult.

      Finally, they block production of LTE4 using an inhibitor of the upstream enzyme 5-LO. This treatment reduces eosinophil survival and number in GATA-6KO-mye mice, from which the key conclusion is drawn that elevated LT4E is responsible for the increased survival and accumulation of eosinophils in GATA-6KO-mye mice. The major weakness here is that the equivalent experiment in control mice to determine if inhibition of 5-LO leads to a general reduction in survival/number of eosinophils or if this effect is restricted to the GATA-6KO-mye appears not to have been performed.

      Impact and context:

      Overall, this study demonstrates key alterations in lipid metabolism and lipid mediator release resulting from loss of GATA6 expression in peritoneal macrophages, and links this to the elevated survival/accumulation of eosinophils that occurs concurrently in GATA6-KO-mye mice. The role of endogenous LTE4 in regulation of eosinophil survival and/or migration into tissues is exciting and opens up a new avenue of research for understanding the importance of this pathway in regulation of eosinophils across tissues and during disease. Furthermore, unlike in the mouse, GATA6-expressing macrophages represent only a minor proportion of macrophages in the human peritoneal cavity, while the dominant GATA6-negative population is more equivalent to the GATA6-KO-mye cells studied here (PMID: 38102487). Hence, the data presented in the current manuscript could have important implications for how eosinophil numbers and lipid metabolism may be regulated by these cells in people.

    3. Reviewer #2 (Public review):

      Summary:

      This manuscript examines how GATA6-dependent programming of resident peritoneal macrophages regulates their lipidome and, in turn, eosinophil homeostasis, combining lipid imaging, mass spectrometry, transcriptional analysis and in vivo pharmacology. BODIPY/CARS microscopy with targeted lipidomics convincingly shows substantial lipid changes following myeloid GATA6 deficiency, particularly in sphingolipids, with Smpd1 and Gba2 manipulations providing mechanistic support.

      Strengths:

      The authors also connect these changes to eosinophil biology, confirming increased peritoneal eosinophils in Gata6-deficient mice with reduced apoptosis (via two methods) rather than increased production. Testing of alternative explanations (chemokines, IL-5, prostaglandins, 12/15-LOX products) strengthens the argument by narrowing candidate mechanisms. The identification of increased LTE4 is notable as it correlates with eosinophil abundance, and zileuton reduces LTE4, eosinophil numbers, and increases apoptosis. This supports a role for 5-LOX/cysteinyl-leukotriene signalling.

      Weaknesses:

      The principal weakness is specificity: zileuton affects the broader leukotriene pathway, not LTE4 alone, so correlation with LTE4 doesn't establish causality. This matters more given the LTE4 receptor remains unidentified (to the best of my knowledge). Similarly, the proposed transcellular biosynthesis mechanism (ImmGen data suggesting complementary enzyme expression across cell types converting LTC4 to LTE4) is inferential; direct evidence of cellular source and transfer is lacking.

      Design limitations include reliance on pooled animals in some lipidomic measurements, small replicate numbers, and a stronger eosinophil phenotype in females that shifts subsequent analysis toward females. Indeed, this sex dependence deserves more discussion given it limits generalisability.

      Overall, this is a technically strong, conceptually interesting study. The core conclusions, that GATA6-dependent regulation of the macrophage lipidome and a role for cystl Lts in eosinophil survival, are well supported. The more specific claim that LTE4 is the causal factor via a defined transcellular pathway is plausible but not yet firmly established. Experimental strengthening or moderated claims would improve the study.

    4. Reviewer #3 (Public review):

      Summary:

      The authors sought to define how GATA6-dependent programming of resident peritoneal macrophages regulates lipid metabolism and, in turn, eosinophil survival. By integrating a myeloid-restricted GATA6-deficiency model with cellular phenotyping, lipidomic analyses, and measurements of lipid mediators, the study attempts to connect macrophage transcriptional identity to sphingolipid and cysteinyl leukotriene pathways that may shape eosinophil persistence. The work also appears intended to provide a mechanistic bridge between prior observations from this group and others regarding GATA6-positive macrophages, lipid metabolism, and eosinophil homeostasis.

      Strengths:

      (1) The study addresses an important and understudied question: how tissue-resident macrophage identity controls the local lipid environment and thereby influences eosinophil survival.

      (2) The use of a genetically defined GATA6-deficiency model provides a biologically relevant framework for testing the contribution of macrophage programming.

      (3) The lipidomic data broaden the analysis beyond a single mediator and identify coordinated changes in sphingolipids and glycerophospholipids that may generate useful hypotheses for the field.

      (4) The finding that GATA6 deficiency promotes eosinophil survival is clear, potentially important, and consistent with prior work cited by the authors.

      (5) The study is performed by a knowledgeable team and brings together macrophage biology, eosinophil biology, and lipid metabolism in a way that is likely to interest several research communities.

      Weaknesses:

      (1) The central mechanistic chain-GATA6 deficiency leading to altered sphingolipid abundance, altered LTE4 production, and consequently increased eosinophil survival-is not fully demonstrated. The data support associations among these features, but the causal order remains uncertain.

      (2) The cited literature linking sphingolipid and cysteinyl leukotriene biosynthesis does not substitute for direct testing in this model. Perturbation or rescue experiments targeting sphingolipid synthesis and cysteinyl leukotriene production would be needed to establish necessity and directionality.

      (3) The broader lipidomic changes complicate the emphasis on sphingolipids. Because glycerophospholipids are also increased, the phenotype may reflect more extensive membrane-lipid remodeling, altered phospholipase activity, changes in the Lands cycle, or shifts in free fatty-acid availability.

      (4) The manuscript would benefit from a clearer distinction between observations made directly in GATA6-deficient peritoneal macrophages and mechanistic inferences extrapolated from prior studies.

      (5) The physiological and pathological relevance is not yet sufficiently established. It remains unclear whether enhanced eosinophil survival translates into altered eosinophil accumulation, activation, or tissue injury during inflammatory disease in the peritoneal cavity or lung.

    5. Author response:

      We would like to thank all the reviewers and the editors for their considerate evaluation of our study.

      We are pleased that overall the reviewers were positive about the bulk of our study establishing a role of tissue macrophage programming/specialisation in regulating the macrophage lipidome, in the peritoneum, including the exemplar sphingolipid class. The reviewers raise understandable issues about the specificity of the available inhibitory compounds, such as zileuton meaning that conclusive statements about the role of LTE4 are not possible.

      In a revised manuscript, we will address all points but predominantly focus on the second aspect of the study, ensuring that reviewers comments are addressed appropriately, detailing and weaknesses, or ambiguities, with our study. This will include, but will not be limited to:

      - Further commentary on the regulation of eosinophil numbers within the tissue;

      - Addressing the specificity of zileuton and the implications of this for interpretation of our results with respect to eosinophil biology;

      - More careful framing of the transcellular biosynthesis potential;

      - A detailed discussion of sex dependency with regard to eosinophil numbers in general and any potential effect on the reported Gata6-dependent phenomenon;

      We are grateful for the constructive comments.

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      This sentence reminds me of when my cousin and I would visit our grandma and would spend the whole time in the kitchen making different desserts and meals for her to try.

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      On behalf of the authors, I thank the reviewers for their critical reading of the manuscript. We really appreciate the care and attention they have applied to their reading and reports.

      An initial comment may add some context - in accordance with German law, I (AFS) had to retire from my position at Dresden University in October 2023. I am still working however have very little capacity to add new experiments to the manuscript. Consequently my response to the reviewers is somewhat more critical than the normal concessions and acquiescence that are usually adopted.

      2. Point-by-point description of the revisions

      *Reviewer #1 Summary *

      This manuscript describes functional characterization of Bod1 family proteins (particularly Bod1L) and their interaction with COMPASS family histone methyltransferase complexes. Bod1 proteins are conserved through evolution and related to yeast Shg1, which binds to the yeast COMPASS via a conserved domain and negatively regulates H3K4me3 levels. Here the authors performed IP-MS of Bod1L, Bod1, Setd1a, and Setd1b in engineered mouse embryonic stem cells and confirmed presence of Bod1 and Bod1L in both Setd1a and Setd1b-containing COMPASS complexes. AlphaFold modeling predicted an interaction between the Bod1/L Shg domain and a conserved helix in Setd1a/b which was validated in stable Setd1a deletion ESC lines and with isolated Sed1a/b fragments. Functional analysis of Bod1L and Setd1a deletion lines confirmed that Bod1L negatively regulated H3K4me3 levels. Moreover, the knockouts caused parallel effects on the expression of DNA repair genes and both apparently enhanced levels of baseline DNA damage, in agreement with findings in leukemia cell lines. This argues that Setd1a/Bod1L regulates DNA repair gene expression independently of H3K4me3.

      Major comments Figures 2D, 2E, 3C: there are no panels showing the efficiency of Bod1 or Bod1L immunoprecipitation. The immunoblots seem to indicate that either Bod1 or Bod1L precipitate a substantial fraction of Setd1a and a much smaller fraction of Setd1b, although it is impossible to tell without the blots of Bod1/Bod1L. The idea that Setd1a is primarily associated with Bod1L vs Bod1 is presumed in the rest of the manuscript (likely based on previous results in other cell lines) but is not strongly supported by these figures.

      Response: The protein complex and interaction data is based on AP-MS (affinity purification-mass spectrometry) and the results are presented as Volcano plots, which is the standard and most accessible format. AP-MS acquires candidate data because some bona-fide interactions will be missed and spurious interactions will be included, especially when the threshold of significance is lowered. To validate the candidate data from tagged SETD1A and SETD1B we used

      (a) reciprocal AP-MS with tagged BOD1L, BOD1 and CXXC1. These results secured the primary conclusion regarding the associations of BOD1L and BOD1 with SETD1A and SETD1B (as well as other subunits). I should add that we show – for the first time – functional evidence that BOD1L is a subunit of the SETD1A complex (Figure 5).

      (b) immunoprecipitations to confirm selected interactions. As stated in the legend of Figure 2, 10% total extract are shown as controls. This control allows the reader to evaluate the efficiency of the associated protein in the IP. For example, (Fig. 2D), clearly BOD1L associates much more with SETD1A than with SETD1B. Nevertheless, the association with SETD1B was detected and reciprocally confirmed (Fig. 3C). Another example, (Fig. 2E), clearly BPTF interacts with BOD1L at notable efficiency but not with SETD1A. There are also additional IPs in the supplement that add further confidence.

      Additionally, AP-MS with three SETD1A deletion mutants (Fig. 4) adds supporting evidence to the conclusions drawn from Figures 2 and 3. The implication that BOD1L and BOD1 interact with X3, which in Figure 4 is a negative result and therefore – because negative results in AP-MS cannot be used to draw conclusions – we explicitly tested the proposition that BOD1L and BOD1 interact with X3 to secure the conclusion (Fig 4D).

      Consequently, with respect, we do not agree with the following comment by reviewer 1 -

      - although it is impossible to tell without the blots of Bod1/Bod1L. The idea that Setd1a is primarily associated with Bod1L vs Bod1 is presumed in the rest of the manuscript (likely based on previous results in other cell lines) but is not strongly supported by these figures.

      __ T__he data presented clearly allows reasonable evaluation of yield and consequently conclusions about the BOD1L and SET1A interactions. The primary association of BOD1L with SETD1A is established by the data presented, as is the secondary associations between BOD1 and SETD1A, as well as BOD1L and SETD1B.

      Figure 4: the SETD1A-X1 and X3 internal deletion lines show many interesting interactions not detected in the wild-type line, notably with CPSF components. What is the significance of this?

      AP-MS explores the proteome and a number of intriguing associations can be found in addition to the most robust biochemical interactions. In this manuscript, we present some exploration of the intriguing extras but remain focused on the SETD1A and B complexes. We and others have published on the connection between the yeast Set1C and yeast CPSF, but exploring that issue connection is beyond the experimental and conceptual themes of this manuscript, especially considering other comments by the reviewers about reducing the manuscript.

      Related to Figure 4: Why were none of the functional genomics experiments described in Figures 5-7 performed on the Setd1a-X3 deletion line given that the authors had it in hand? This would have been a logical complement to the Bod1L deletion experiment and further addressed the issue of functional partnership between Setd1a and Bod1/L. One could make a similar point regarding Bod1-it is unclear why (given the co-IP and AP-MS data in Figures 2 and 3) a deletion line of Bod1 was not analyzed in parallel. There was convincing rationale in the Hoshii 2024 paper to focus on Setd1a/Bod1L in that system; the rationale for doing this here is less clear.

      We thank the reviewer for this suggestion. Indeed this is a good experiment that emerges from the data we are presenting (and not from Hoshii et al 2024). We take this excellent suggestion as an indication that our manuscript has presented the evidence sufficiently well to permit the reviewer to make this suggestion, which is worth pursing in a new project. However the manuscript is already replete with progress. It is worth mentioning that in response to an earlier round of reviewing elsewhere, we added the experiment that is now Figure 7. This process of adding further experiments in response to thoughtful reviewing comes at the risk of promoting further good suggestions, which are constructive and welcome but at some point progress should be published.

      Figure 5G: This figure does not seem to include a control in which wild-type ESCs are treated with tamoxifen in parallel with the Flp Bod1L line.

      There is no published or conceptual reason to include a control for the induction of DNA damage by tamoxifen in wild type cells. My lab pioneered ligand inducible conditional mutagenesis (Logie C and Stewart AF. 1995 Ligand-regulated site-specific recombination. PNAS 92, 5940-5944) including tamoxifen inducible conditional mutagenesis in mice (Schwenk F, Kühn R, Angrand P-O, Rajewsky K and Stewart AF. 1998 Temporally and spatially regulated somatic mutagenesis in mice. Nucleic Acids Res. 26, 1427-1432) and we have published advice for the appropriate controls for tamoxifen induced conditional mutagenesis (Anastassiadis et al 2010, Methods Enzymol, 477, 109-23). All experiments involving tamoxifen induction of conditional mutagenesis were thoroughly accompanied by appropriate controls. In the case of Fig. 5G, administration of tamoxifen to ESCs had no detectable effect on DNA damage as evaluated by p-H2AX or p-ATM staining – as expected and therefore not shown.

      Figure 6: This figure should include Venn diagrams that clearly show the overlap between genes affected by Bod1L removal compared to Setd1a.

      In Figure 6B, the overlap is clearly illustrated in a colour presentation that we think is superior to presenting these data as a Venn diagram. These data are also presented in different formats - in the Supplement Fig. 6D and the most significant DNA repair genes are listed in Table 1 again presented in an overlapping format.

      Related to Figure 6/7: These figures should include analysis of the H3K4me3 ChIP-seq data in Figure 5 specifically at Bod1L-regulated DEGs.

      We now present a new Supplemental Figure 6E and include the statement - ‘Increased H3K4me3 peaks were also observed at the promoters of the DNA repair genes that showed decreased expression after loss of BOD1L (Supplemental Figure 6E).’ in the text. In other words, elevated H3K4me3 is also observed on the DNA repair genes that show decreased expression.

      Discussion: The authors should note that the direct role of Setd1a at DNA breaks is proposed to rely on enzymatic activity (Higgs et al 2018, Bayley et al 2022).

      A sentence regarding SETD1A enzyme activity in DNA repair has been included in the Discussion.

      Minor comments

      __ Figure 5: panel arrangement is confusing. __The arrangement of Figure 5 has been improved.

      __Hoshii et al, 2024 is not listed in the references. __This omission has been corrected

      __Reviewer #1 (Significance (Required)): ____*

      The key advance in this work is demonstration that Bod1L removal affects expression of DNA repair genes and increases DNA damage in ES cells. This seems to occur independently of changes in H3K4me3 (although specific analysis of H3K4me3 at these genes was not performed). *__

      We now include analysis of H3K4me3 at promoters of genes downregulated after loss of Bod1L (new Supplemental Figure 6E). As with all active promoters, H3K4me3 is also elevated on these genes.

      Removal of Setd1a had similar effects. The work seems to support previous reports in leukemia cell lines for specific effects of Setd1a/Bod1L on DNA repair that is not related to Setd1a enzymatic activity (Hoshii et al 2018, 2024 in the manuscript)(and contrasts with findings in U2Os cells that do implicate enzymatic activity and emphasize a direct role at replication forks rather than in transcription; Higgs et al 2018 and Bayley et al 2022 in the manuscript). This is a modest but important conceptual advance in thinking about Bod1L and COMPASS complex functions in transcription and DNA damage repair. Whether these functions are specific to Bod1L vs Bod1 in ESCs, or to Setd1a over Setd1b, in ESCs, was not addressed.

      In the Introduction we highlighted the difference between Setd1a and b in ESCs. We previously published that Setd1a is essential whereas Setd1b is not, and Setd1b fails to rescue the loss of Setd1a in ESCs when (over)expressed from the Setd1a promoter (Bledau et al, 2014). Furthermore the preferential association of BOD1 with SETD1B rather than SETD1A can be concluded from the data provided. These considerations support the conclusion that SETD1A and BOD1L are specifically regulating DNA repair gene expression.

      The audience for this work will be chromatin/epigenetics experts. My expertise is in the field of chromatin and epigenetics, and I have studied histone modification function extensively in the context of transcription.

      As a final comment to reviewer 1 – thankyou for your thoughtfulness but please allow a comment on the term ‘COMPASS’, which is not used in our manuscript. COMPASS is a confusing and ambiguous term. It means ‘COMPlex ASsociated with yeast Set1’ and was first used to describe the incomplete yeast Set1 complex. Concomitantly, my group published the complete complex, termed Set1C, along with the first biochemical proof that it was an H3K4 methyltransferase (the first bona fide H3K4 methyltransferase, and the second bona fide histone methyltransferase). The following year, the second COMPASS publication reported the full complex by including the missing subunit and also biochemical proof of H3K4 methyltransferase enzyme activity. Subsequently the term ‘COMPASS’ has been applied to the Trithorax and MLL complexes, which share half of the Set1C/COMPASS complex – these four subunits are highly conserved in eukaryotes – but also include another 4+ subunits unrelated to the other half of Set1C/COMPASS, which are also are different between the Trithorax/MLL1,2 and Trithorax related/MLL3,4 complexes. So it is imprecise and confusing – especially for the majority of bioscientists who do not have histone methylation expertise - to name these partially related but distinct complexes, ‘COMPASS’. The highly conserved 4 subunits of these complexes have been more precisely termed ‘WRAD’ (after the mammalian names, WDR5, RBBP5, ASH2L, DPY30). WRAD, as opposed to COMPASS, is unambiguous and does not require specialist insider knowledge to unravel the confusion. Therefore the term ‘WRAD’ is used to refer to the conserved quartet in the manuscript.

      __*Reviewer #2 (Evidence, reproducibility and clarity (Required)):

      This manuscript investigates H3K4me-methylating complexes in mouse embryonic stem cells with a specific focus on the SETD1A complex and its binding partners. The authors define the interaction between SETD1A and BOD1L and characterize a requirement for BOD1L in maintaining the expression of DNA repair genes in mESCs. BOD1L has previously been implicated in regulating the replication fork (Bayley et al., Mol Cell, 2022 and others), however the authors propose another role for BOD1L in restraining H3K4me3 at TSS-proximal nucleosomes which impacts gene expression of DNA repair genes. *__

      With respect, we do not suggest that the restraining action of BOD1L on H3K4me3 has any impact on gene expression. In contrast, we note that elevated H3K4me3 at TSS-proximal nucleosomes does not correlate with changes in gene expression.

      However, a number of aspects of this model require additional support. Furthermore, while there are some new insights gained from the experiments performed, the data presentation makes the impact of the studies difficult to interpret. Specific concerns are outlined in further detail below: ____ 1. A key approach used through the manuscript is AP-MS experiments to determine protein interactors of SETD1A, SETD1B, and other complex subunits. It appears these experiments were generally performed in triplicate, however, there should be more discussion of what thresholds were used to quantify interactors. The methods states that if 2 unique peptides were identified, though it is very difficult to tell from the volcano plots why some proteins are labelled and named as interactors and others are not discussed. Furthermore, the volcano plots are generally difficult to read and do not lend themselves well to comparisons between different experiments. Another format in addition to potential volcano plots, such as a heatmap, would improve the readability and provide a better method of visualizing the quantitative results of these experiments.

      Our presentation of AP-MS data in Volcano plots is conventional. As mentioned above (reviewer 1, response 1), AP-MS analyses present candidate data that requires further support, which we supplied for the conclusions we draw, as detailed above.

      There is very little discussion of the additional interactors identified, outside of expected components, in the AP-MS experiments described in Figures 2 and 3. The authors state that they pursued additional experiments but that there was not productive data. It is unclear what this means as to whether these are not legitimate interactors or if there were other technical challenges. There is some discussion of OGT and BPTF, but it is not particularly informative. I think further clarification and/or characterization on the other interactors would be useful to be able to interpret the validity of the data presented in the AP-MS volcano plots____.

      The candidate data obtained by AP-MS analyses include a core of reliable interactions as well as other less robust identifications that may be true or false positives. In this manuscript, we focused on the reliable and verified interactions, and mentioned notable additions, which we hope will assist further investigations. Further proteomic exploration is beyond the scope of this manuscript.

      In Figure 4, AP-MS is used to characterize interactors of different deletion mutants of SETD1A. The expression of the deletion mutants should be shown by western or another approach to see how these compare to wildtype. In addition, the interaction is further probed in cells by a co-IP approach using an overexpression construct of the X3 region of SETD1A. Since the authors have the deletion mutant, this could be used in a co-IP experiment in addition to exogenous expression of just the X3 fragment. This would allow a direct comparison with WT SETD1A and other mutants. Also, to further support the specificity of the interaction show in Fig 4D, a similar experiment could be performed with other regions of SETD1A (or B), such as a the X1 or X2 regions.

      We are not certain about these comments. The deletion mutants were examined by AP-MS, which is effectively superior to a co-IP, and retrieved most of the expected proteins. If we had pursued unexpected proteins identified in the mutant AP-MS, then Western (or similar) analysis of expression levels of the SETD1A mutants would be important. However we obtained reciprocal confirmation of the primary result, which is better than a co-IP with Western. Detailed analyses with other X regions are beyond the focus of this work.

      Figure 5C and this H3K4me3 chip results in the BOD1L mutant cells would be further supported by showing the levels of SETD1A (and other H3K4 methylating enzymes) in these cells lines to better support the conclusion that BOD1L is directly restricting SETD1A activity at chromatin____.

      In both yeast and in vitro, elevated H3K4me3 by Set1C without Shg1 is not due to elevated Set1 expression or changes of the Set1 complex, (other than loss of Shg1; Roguev et al, 2001, Kim et al, 2013). Concordantly, we show that SETD1A without X3 (i.e. without BOD1L) still retrieves the rest of the SETD1A-Complex (Figure 4B). Furthermore, Setd1a is expressed from its endogenous promoter to ensure physiological expression level.

      Figure 5F shows growth curves of WT and BOD1 mutant ESCs. However, this data requires statistical analysis to make an accurate comparison between cell lines. Furthermore, the mutant cell lines in particular would benefit from showing at least one additional time point if feasible. In addition, the authors state that this is likely representative of increased cell death in the mutant cells, however this is not directly tested in this experiment.

      Figure 5F shows straightforward growth curves of ESCs wt, heterozygous or homozygous Bod1l mutants. Please note that the figure includes the growth curves of two independent heterozygous and homozygous Bod1l ES cell lines thereby presenting reproducibility for the impaired growth.

      The volcano plots in Figure 6 for the RNA-seq analysis are also difficult to interpret. Another data presentation method should also be used to be able to compare between experiments- this is not that feasible with the method and labeling of the data here, and the quantitative aspect of this data is not fully realized using this approach.

      Figure 6A represents the RNA-seq data in Volcano plots, which is complemented by the dot plots of Figure 6B and the listing of genes in Table 1. RNA-seq data is difficult to present in visually accessible figures and we think that the presentations in Figure 6 are effective, because this visualization allows the estimation of effect size as well as p-values. These data are also presented in a different format in the Supplement Figure 6D.

      The authors propose that the role of BOD1L DNA damage repair in ESCs is two fold in ESCs-one is a direct role at replication forks, and a second is its role in regulation of DNA repair genes with SETD1A. This may be the case, but the data provided here do not show that there is a direct role for BOD1L in regulating these genes. Additional experiments showing chIP or CUT&RUN of BOD1L and or SETD1A-dependent H3K4methyl species would provide more evidence that these DNA repair gene expression changes are directly due to BOD1L's role. It is also possible the gene expression changes are an indirect consequence of it's role at replication forks, but this is not really addressed. Furthermore, the model proposed in Figure 8 is difficult to understand and does not clearly represent the data in places (for example, the impact on H3K4methylation).

      Our conclusion regarding the two-fold role of BOD1L is based on (a) the data of others regarding protection of the replication fork; (b) our verification that BOD1L is a component of the SETD1A complex; (c) the known role of SETD1A as the major H3K4 trimethyltransferase at active promoters; (d) the observation that conditional mutagenesis of Bod1l predominantly leads to decreased mRNAs that encode for various components of DNA repair pathways. If the loss of BOD1L led only to DNA damage and not gene expression changes due to compromised action of the SETD1A complex, then a loss of expression of DNA damage genes would not be expected. In particular, double strand DNA damage elevates the expression of Xrcc4, Xrcc5 and Rad51c however these mRNAs are strongly down-regulated when Bod1l (or Setd1a) is lost.

      These points constitute a strong basis for our conclusion of a two-fold role for BOD1L and these points have been strengthened in the revised manuscript.

      Regarding the reviewers comments –

      This may be the case, but the data provided here do not show that there is a direct role for BOD1L in regulating these genes. Additional experiments showing chIP or CUT&RUN of BOD1L and or SETD1A-dependent H3K4methyl species would provide more evidence that these DNA repair gene expression changes are directly due to BOD1L's role.

      • it is extremely difficult to demonstrate a direct role for BOD1L in gene regulation using ChIP/CUT&RUN,because SETD1A and B, and subunits of their complexes, are found on all active promoters – (for example, Cxxc1; Fig. 3, Denissov et al 2014). The question of target gene specificity, which emerges from RNA-seq analyses, is a notable problem for the H3K4 methyltransferases because their widespread and overlapping chromatin occupancy on promoters does not facilitate conclusions about specificities. Stated differently, yes we find BOD1L on the affected promoters, but we also find BOD1L on all active promoters, so it’s location on affected promoters is indecisive.

      The discussion section could be significantly streamlined and focused more directly on the content of the manuscript. There are a number of different areas covered in detail that go beyond what is needed for the discussion of the paper and are distracting and confusing. For example, the discussion of the work of Hoshii et al on page 13 is highly relevant, but it could be shortened to focus on the most relevant data from the 2024 paper. (Although I could not find this paper in the reference list, but assume it is this one:https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38989615/). Other areas that seems somewhat tangential include the discussion of the potential PP2A interaction on page 14, which is not focused on in the manuscript. Also, the broader question of the role of H3K4 methylation in transcription is covered in some detail and this could be shortened to discuss in a more straightforward manner the potential implications of this study on our understanding of H3K4methyl marks in transcription.

      With due respect, we disagree. A shorter, less informative and less thoughtful discussion would probably have been criticized as insufficient. The reviewer is expressing an opinion. We think that we have succinctly presented the complexities of H3K4 methylation in transcription and our brief comment about PP2A may assist further research.

      Reviewer #2 (Significance (Required)): There are some new insights provided into the relationship between SETD1A/SETD1B and the BOD1 and BOD1L components of the complex, however, the overall advances of this manuscript are relatively limited. A number of additional experiments are required to advance this work beyond what is already known in the field, and the specificty of their conclusions needs additional support. This limits the overall impact of this study* *

      We thank the reviewer for acknowledging that there are some new insights. We have a different opinion regarding their impact on current knowledge. The SET1Complex and H3K4 methylation lies at the centre of epigenetic. Any progress is vitally important.

      __*Reviewer #3 (Evidence, reproducibility and clarity (Required)):

      This manuscript reveals that BOD1L, as a subunit of the SETD1A complex, plays a key role in embryonic stem cell survival by maintaining the expression of DNA repair genes to protect cells from the accumulation of DNA damage. The study finds that BOD1L interacts with the X3 helix of SETD1A through its Shg1 homology region, and that loss of BOD1L leads to elevated H3K4me2/3 levels (consistent with the conserved function of Shg1 in yeast), downregulation of DNA repair gene expression, accumulation of DNA damage, and cell death. While the findings possess a certain degree of novelty, there are some logical issues that require further revision.__ ** 1.The authors conclude that "BOD1L maintains DNA repair gene expression through the SETD1A complex," but the current evidence is merely correlational. However, does the downregulation of DNA repair genes directly lead to DNA damage accumulation and cell death? Does BOD1L's own function in replication fork protection (Higgs et al., 2015) also contribute to this phenotype? The authors mention this point in the discussion, but the experiments do not distinguish between these two functions. *

      Please see the comments above responding to reviewer 2, point 7. The manuscript presents strong evidence that the conclusion is not ‘merely coincidental’. We addressed the question ____Does BOD1L’s own function ____in replication fork protection (Higgs et al., 2015) also contribute to this phenotype? in the experiment of Figure 7 and not just mentioned in the discussion.

      It is recommended to supplement with rescue experiments: in BOD1L-deficient cells, complement with wild-type BOD1L and mutants (e.g., lacking the X3 binding domain) to examine DNA repair gene expression, DNA damage accumulation, and cell death.

      As noted in our response to reviewer 1 point 3, we thank the reviewer for this constructive suggestion for further experiments that ideally will be in another manuscript.

      2.Figure 5C shows that BOD1L deletion leads to increased H3K4me3, whereas SETD1A deletion results in decreased H3K4me3. However, RNA-seq reveals substantial overlap in the downregulated genes between the two conditions (Figure 6B). Based on this, the authors infer that "H3K4me3 is not essential for DNA repair gene expression." This inference is reasonable, but one possibility needs to be excluded: whether the increase in H3K4me3 caused by BOD1L deletion occurs at non-target genes (specifically, DNA damage repair genes). It is recommended to perform H3K4me3 ChIP-qPCR in BOD1L-deficient cells to validate changes at the promoter regions of key DNA repair ____genes.

      This comment is similar to a point made by reviewer 1 point 6. The analysis is now included in Supplement Figure 6E.

      3.Figure 5G uses γH2AX and pATM staining to detect DNA damage, but the type of DNA damage (double-strand breaks, single-strand breaks, replication fork stalling, etc.) and its extent have not been quantified. It is recommended to supplement with: (1) a neutral comet assay to detect double-strand breaks, or an alkaline comet assay to detect total DNA damage; (2) an analysis of replication fork stability (e.g., a DNA fiber assay) to distinguish between BOD1L's replication fork protection function and its transcriptional regulatory role.

      With respect, further DNA damage assays will not distinguish between BOD1L's replication fork protection function and its transcriptional regulatory role.

      4.Figure 2E shows that BOD1L interacts with BPTF independently of SETD1A. However, the functional significance of this interaction has not been further explored. BPTF is a subunit of the NURF chromatin remodeling complex, and its interaction with BOD1L may be involved in DNA repair or transcriptional regulation. It is recommended to supplement with: (1) examining changes in BPTF chromatin binding in BOD1L-deficient cells (BPTF ChIP-seq); (2) investigating whether BPTF knockdown affects DNA repair gene expression or the DNA damage response.

      The manuscript is not about BPTF, rather we present a complementary observation to assist further research.

      5.The study demonstrates that BOD1L binding to the X3 helix inhibits the methylation activity of the SET domain, but the molecular mechanism remains unclear. The authors propose hypotheses in the Discussion, such as "monomer vs dimer" or "allosteric regulation," but direct biophysical evidence to explain how this long-range regulation is achieved is lacking.

      The interaction between BOD1L and SETD1A is presented and the implications are discussed in the context of existing information on the Set1 complexes. Further work – indeed a completely new project - is required to explore the implications of the findings we report.

      6.The experiment observed that BOD1 can also bind to the X3 site of SETD1B, and the two proteins share structural similarity. Although the text mentions that BOD1L is the major subunit in ESCs, it does not sufficiently explore whether BOD1 exerts partial compensatory effects in the absence of BOD1L, or the logic underlying their specific switching in different tissues.

      We agree – the manuscript does not explore whether BOD1 exerts partial compensatory effects in the absence of BOD1L. That would also be another project. Also we have not included speculations about ‘the logic underlying their specific switching in different tissues. ____‘

      Minor suggestion________

      1.The RNA-seq experiments were performed with biological duplicates (two samples per condition), it is generally recommended to have at least three biological replicates to ensure statistical power.

      As specified in the M&M, the primary RNA-seq experiments were performed with biological duplicates in parallel in three closely related ESC culture conditions and the conclusions are drawn from these six overlapping datasets. The other RNA-seq experiment was performed in triplicates, as was an RNA-seq experiment using ESCFCS conditions, that was not included but delivered the same results as presented here.

      2.In the co-IP experiments shown in Figure 2D and 2E, there is a lack of quantification or internal controls.

      As mentioned in response to reviewer 1, point 1, the controls are included and quantification can be estimated from the figures. Further data are provided in Supplement Figure 1.__3.The peak calling parameters and statistical methods for the ChIP-seq analysis were not described in detail. __Now included in the M&M.

      4.The description of the BOD1L-BPTF interaction results (Figure 2E) in the main text is too brief, and the conditions and controls for the IP experiment are not specified.

      The text referring to BPTF has been expanded and is now –

      Therefore, we examined the interaction with BPTF in more detail. By immunoprecipitation using BOD1L-VENUS expressed from a Bod1l BAC transgene, the interaction between BOD1L and BPTF was confirmed. However, immunoprecipitation using BPTF-VENUS expressed from a Bptf BAC transgene retrieved the NURF subunit SNF2L/SMARCA1 (Supplemental Fig. S1) but failed to retrieve SETD1A (Fig. 2E) indicating that BOD1L independently interacts with both SETD1A-C and BPTF, and that BPTF interacts with BOD1L independently of its interaction with NURF.

      5.The discussion section is somewhat lengthy and contains speculative content (such as the discussion on OGT and MLL complexes). Although interesting, these points are not strongly related to the core findings of this study and could be streamlined.

      The Discussion is a little less than 1300 words.

      6.Page8 "Bod1 esiRNAi knock-down" should be ""Bod1 esiRNA knock-down".

      Corrected.

      Reviewer #3 (Significance (Required)): Should be revised.

      Revisons suggested by the reviewers have been incorporated.

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      This manuscript reveals that BOD1L, as a subunit of the SETD1A complex, plays a key role in embryonic stem cell survival by maintaining the expression of DNA repair genes to protect cells from the accumulation of DNA damage. The study finds that BOD1L interacts with the X3 helix of SETD1A through its Shg1 homology region, and that loss of BOD1L leads to elevated H3K4me2/3 levels (consistent with the conserved function of Shg1 in yeast), downregulation of DNA repair gene expression, accumulation of DNA damage, and cell death. While the findings possess a certain degree of novelty, there are some logical issues that require further revision.

      1.The authors conclude that "BOD1L maintains DNA repair gene expression through the SETD1A complex," but the current evidence is merely correlational. However, does the downregulation of DNA repair genes directly lead to DNA damage accumulation and cell death? Does BOD1L's own function in replication fork protection (Higgs et al., 2015) also contribute to this phenotype? The authors mention this point in the discussion, but the experiments do not distinguish between these two functions. It is recommended to supplement with rescue experiments: in BOD1L-deficient cells, complement with wild-type BOD1L and mutants (e.g., lacking the X3 binding domain) to examine DNA repair gene expression, DNA damage accumulation, and cell death. 2.Figure 5C shows that BOD1L deletion leads to increased H3K4me3, whereas SETD1A deletion results in decreased H3K4me3. However, RNA-seq reveals substantial overlap in the downregulated genes between the two conditions (Figure 6B). Based on this, the authors infer that "H3K4me3 is not essential for DNA repair gene expression." This inference is reasonable, but one possibility needs to be excluded: whether the increase in H3K4me3 caused by BOD1L deletion occurs at non-target genes (specifically, DNA damage repair genes). It is recommended to perform H3K4me3 ChIP-qPCR in BOD1L-deficient cells to validate changes at the promoter regions of key DNA repair genes. 3.Figure 5G uses γH2AX and pATM staining to detect DNA damage, but the type of DNA damage (double-strand breaks, single-strand breaks, replication fork stalling, etc.) and its extent have not been quantified. It is recommended to supplement with: (1) a neutral comet assay to detect double-strand breaks, or an alkaline comet assay to detect total DNA damage; (2) an analysis of replication fork stability (e.g., a DNA fiber assay) to distinguish between BOD1L's replication fork protection function and its transcriptional regulatory role. 4.Figure 2E shows that BOD1L interacts with BPTF independently of SETD1A. However, the functional significance of this interaction has not been further explored. BPTF is a subunit of the NURF chromatin remodeling complex, and its interaction with BOD1L may be involved in DNA repair or transcriptional regulation. It is recommended to supplement with: (1) examining changes in BPTF chromatin binding in BOD1L-deficient cells (BPTF ChIP-seq); (2) investigating whether BPTF knockdown affects DNA repair gene expression or the DNA damage response. 5.The study demonstrates that BOD1L binding to the X3 helix inhibits the methylation activity of the SET domain, but the molecular mechanism remains unclear. The authors propose hypotheses in the Discussion, such as "monomer vs dimer" or "allosteric regulation," but direct biophysical evidence to explain how this long-range regulation is achieved is lacking. 6.The experiment observed that BOD1 can also bind to the X3 site of SETD1B, and the two proteins share structural similarity. Although the text mentions that BOD1L is the major subunit in ESCs, it does not sufficiently explore whether BOD1 exerts partial compensatory effects in the absence of BOD1L, or the logic underlying their specific switching in different tissues.

      Minor suggestion

      1.The RNA-seq experiments were performed with biological duplicates (two samples per condition), it is generally recommended to have at least three biological replicates to ensure statistical power. 2.In the co-IP experiments shown in Figure 2D and 2E, there is a lack of quantification or internal controls. 3.The peak calling parameters and statistical methods for the ChIP-seq analysis were not described in detail. 4.The description of the BOD1L-BPTF interaction results (Figure 2E) in the main text is too brief, and the conditions and controls for the IP experiment are not specified. 5.The discussion section is somewhat lengthy and contains speculative content (such as the discussion on OGT and MLL complexes). Although interesting, these points are not strongly related to the core findings of this study and could be streamlined. 6.Page8 "Bod1 esiRNAi knock-down" should be ""Bod1 esiRNA knock-down".

      Significance

      Should be revised.

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      This manuscript investigates H3K4me-methylating complexes in mouse embryonic stem cells with a specific focus on the SETD1A complex and its binding partners. The authors define the interaction between SETD1A and BOD1L and characterize a requirement for BOD1L in maintaining the expression of DNA repair genes in mESCs. BOD1L has previously been implicated in regulating the replication fork (Bayley et al., Mol Cell, 2022 and others), however the authors propose another role for BOD1L in restraining H3K4me3 at TSS-proximal nucleosomes which impacts gene expression of DNA repair genes. However, a number of aspects of this model require additional support. Furthermore, while there are some new insights gained from the experiments performed, the data presentation makes the impact of the studies difficult to interpret. Specific concerns are outlined in further detail below:

      1. A key approach used through the manuscript is AP-MS experiments to determine protein interactors of SETD1A, SETD1B, and other complex subunits. It appears these experiments were generally performed in triplicate, however, there should be more discussion of what thresholds were used to quantify interactors. The methods states that if 2 unique peptides were identified, though it is very difficult to tell from the volcano plots why some proteins are labelled and named as interactors and others are not discussed. Furthermore, the volcano plots are generally difficult to read and do not lend themselves well to comparisons between different experiments. Another format in addition to potential volcano plots, such as a heatmap, would improve the readability and provide a better method of visualizing the quantitative results of these experiments.
      2. There is very little discussion of the additional interactors identified, outside of expected components, in the AP-MS experiments described in Figures 2 and 3. The authors state that they pursued additional experiments but that there was not productive data. It is unclear what this means as to whether these are not legitimate interactors or if there were other technical challenges. There is some discussion of OGT and BPTF, but it is not particularly informative. I think further clarification and/or characterization on the other interactors would be useful to be able to interpret the validity of the data presented in the AP-MS volcano plots.
      3. In Figure 4, AP-MS is used to characterize interactors of different deletion mutants of SETD1A. The expression of the deletion mutants should be shown by western or another approach to see how these compare to wildtype. In addition, the interaction is further probed in cells by a co-IP approach using an overexpression construct of the X3 region of SETD1A. Since the authors have the deletion mutant, this could be used in a co-IP experiment in addition to exogenous expression of just the X3 fragment. This would allow a direct comparison with WT SETD1A and other mutants. Also, to further support the specificity of the interaction show in Fig 4D, a similar experiment could be performed with other regions of SETD1A (or B), such as a the X1 or X2 regions.
      4. Figure 5C and this H3K4me3 chip results in the BOD1L mutant cells would be further supported by showing the levels of SETD1A (and other H3K4 methylating enzymes) in these cells lines to better support the conclusion that BOD1L is directly restricting SETD1A activity at chromatin.
      5. Figure 5F shows growth curves of WT and BOD1 mutant ESCs. However, this data requires statistical analysis to make an accurate comparison between cell lines. Furthermore, the mutant cell lines in particular would benefit from showing at least one additional time point if feasible. In addition, the authors state that this is likely representative of increased cell death in the mutant cells, however this is not directly tested in this experiment.
      6. The volcano plots in Figure 6 for the RNA-seq analysis are also difficult to interpret. Another data presentation method should also be used to be able to compare between experiments- this is not that feasible with the method and labeling of the data here, and the quantitative aspect of this data is not fully realized using this approach.
      7. The authors propose that the role of BOD1L DNA damage repair in ESCs is two fold in ESCs-one is a direct role at replication forks, and a second is its role in regulation of DNA repair genes with SETD1A. This may be the case, but the data provided here do not show that there is a direct role for BOD1L in regulating these genes. Additional experiments showing chIP or CUT&RUN of BOD1L and or SETD1A-dependent H3K4methyl species would provide more evidence that these DNA repair gene expression changes are directly due to BOD1L's role. It is also possible the gene expression changes are an indirect consequence of it's role at replication forks, but this is not really addressed. Furthermore, the model proposed in Figure 8 is difficult to understand and does not clearly represent the data in places (for example, the impact on H3K4methylation).
      8. The discussion section could be significantly streamlined and focused more directly on the content of the manuscript. There are a number of different areas covered in detail that go beyond what is needed for the discussion of the paper and are distracting and confusing. For example, the discussion of the work of Hoshii et al on page 13 is highly relevant, but it could be shortened to focus on the most relevant data from the 2024 paper. (Although I could not find this paper in the reference list, but assume it is this one: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38989615/). Other areas that seems somewhat tangential include the discussion of the potential PP2A interaction on page 14, which is not focused on in the manuscript. Also, the broader question of the role of H3K4 methylation in transcription is covered in some detail and this could be shortened to discuss in a more straightforward manner the potential implications of this study on our understanding of H3K4methyl marks in transcription.

      Significance

      There are some new insights provided into the relationship between SETD1A/SETD1B and the BOD1 and BOD1L components of the complex, however, the overall advances of this manuscript are relatively limited. A number of additional experiments are required to advance this work beyond what is already known in the field, and the specificty of their conclusions needs additional support. This limits the overall impact of this study

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      Summary

      This manuscript describes functional characterization of Bod1 family proteins (particularly Bod1L) and their interaction with COMPASS family histone methyltransferase complexes. Bod1 proteins are conserved through evolution and related to yeast Shg1, which binds to the yeast COMPASS via a conserved domain and negatively regulates H3K4me3 levels. Here the authors performed IP-MS of Bod1L, Bod1, Setd1a, and Setd1b in engineered mouse embryonic stem cells and confirmed presence of Bod1 and Bod1L in both Setd1a and Setd1b-containing COMPASS complexes. AlphaFold modeling predicted an interaction between the Bod1/L Shg domain and a conserved helix in Setd1a/b which was validated in stable Setd1a deletion ESC lines and with isolated Sed1a/b fragments. Functional analysis of Bod1L and Setd1a deletion lines confirmed that Bod1L negatively regulated H3K4me3 levels. Moreover, the knockouts caused parallel effects on the expression of DNA repair genes and both apparently enhanced levels of baseline DNA damage, in agreement with findings in leukemia cell lines. This argues that Setd1a/Bod1L regulates DNA repair gene expression independently of H3K4me3.

      Major comments

      Figures 2D, 2E, 3C: there are no panels showing the efficiency of Bod1 or Bod1L immunoprecipitation. The immunoblots seem to indicate that either Bod1 or Bod1L precipitate a substantial fraction of Setd1a and a much smaller fraction of Setd1b, although it is impossible to tell without the blots of Bod1/Bod1L. The idea that Setd1a is primarily associated with Bod1L vs Bod1 is presumed in the rest of the manuscript (likely based on previous results in other cell lines) but is not strongly supported by these figures. Figure 4: the SETD1A-X1 and X3 internal deletion lines show many interesting interactions not detected in the wild-type line, notably with CPSF components. What is the significance of this? Related to Figure 4: Why were none of the functional genomics experiments described in Figures 5-7 performed on the Setd1a-X3 deletion line given that the authors had it in hand? This would have been a logical complement to the Bod1L deletion experiment and further addressed the issue of functional partnership between Setd1a and Bod1/L. One could make a similar point regarding Bod1-it is unclear why (given the co-IP and AP-MS data in Figures 2 and 3) a deletion line of Bod1 was not analyzed in parallel. There was convincing rationale in the Hoshii 2024 paper to focus on Setd1a/Bod1L in that system; the rationale for doing this here is less clear. Figure 5G: This figure does not seem to include a control in which wild-type ESCs are treated with tamoxifen in parallel with the Flp Bod1L line. Figure 6: This figure should include Venn diagrams that clearly show the overlap between genes affected by Bod1L removal compared to Setd1a. Related to Figure 6/7: These figures should include analysis of the H3K4me3 ChIP-seq data in Figure 5 specifically at Bod1L-regulated DEGs.<br /> Discussion: The authors should note that the direct role of Setd1a at DNA breaks is proposed to rely on enzymatic activity (Higgs et al 2018, Bayley et al 2022)

      Minor comments

      Figure 5: panel arrangement is confusing Hoshii et al, 2024 is not listed in the references

      Significance

      The key advance in this work is demonstration that Bod1L removal affects expression of DNA repair genes and increases DNA damage in ES cells. This seems to occur independently of changes in H3K4me3 (although specific analysis of H3K4me3 at these genes was not performed). Removal of Setd1a had similar effects. The work seems to support previous reports in leukemia cell lines for specific effects of Setd1a/Bod1L on DNA repair that is not related to Setd1a enzymatic activity (Hoshii et al 2018, 2024 in the manuscript)(and contrasts with findings in U2Os cells that do implicate enzymatic activity and emphasize a direct role at replication forks rather than in transcription; Higgs et al 2018 and Bayley et al 2022 in the manuscript). This is a modest but important conceptual advance in thinking about Bod1L and COMPASS complex functions in transcription and DNA damage repair. Whether these functions are specific to Bod1L vs Bod1 in ESCs, or to Setd1a over Setd1b, in ESCs, was not addressed. The audience for this work will be chromatin/epigenetics experts. My expertise is in the field of chromatin and epigenetics, and I have studied histone modification function extensively in the context of transcription.

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