I wonder if it uses the W3C recommendation for highlighting and annotation though? Which would allow it to interact with other highlighting/annotation results.

To me highlighting is annotation, though a leightweight form, as the decision to highlight is interacting with the text in a meaningful way. And the pop up box actually says Annotation right there in the screenshot, so I don't fully grasp what distinction James is making here.

Kev is equating integration with any service to attempts to increase conversation around a post. That is often true but not always. E.g. I'm looking at AP to increase what own words I am sharing. E.g. AP for limited audience postings, and e.g. RSS for a subset of posting that are unlisted for the general public on my site.

Valid point Kev makes here. A site should do only what its author needs it to do. I want interaction visible on my site, though I probably will cut down on the facepiles.

I wonder if that would increase responses to my blog as Kev indicates. There might be those who will respond in e-mail, but not in a public comment. Worth a try.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soziale_Systeme_(1984)

https://web.archive.org/web/20221020022908/https://www.spiegel.de/kultur/soziologie-flug-ueber-den-wolken-a-1ef2fd09-0002-0001-0000-000013511556

A disc by Dirk Käsler of Niklas Luhmann's 'Soziale Systeme', both from 1984. Käsler notes something I hadn't realised yet. Luhmann and Habermas are almost the same age, and Käsler in 1984 dubs them Western-Germany's best sociological and philosophical contemporary export products respectively. E did her master thesis on Habermas in comparison with blogs (H never said anything about internet). The Western-Germany context is also something to take note of I think. Reading the name made me realise how much context / cultural background there is in it. How different I experience Germany now from the 1980s when even a year before the fall of the wall that happening seemed a generation away. The summers I spent in Germany, all in the west, and the visit to East Germany in 1987. A different world compared to later visits on both sides of the former divide.

Tarkowski has only seen a few more participatory server governance set-ups, most are 'benevolent dictator' style. Same. I have seen several growing instances that have changed from 'dictator' to a group of moderators making the decisions. You could democratise those roles by having users propose / vote on moderators. It's what we do offline in communal structures.

We have that proof, once you let go of the notion that everyone should be on the same tech platform to count as social network. Offline social networks are by def decentralised and operate by consensus (or they split, change, move on), we build governance mushrooms on top of it (countries, democracies) that are the scaling layers, but not the building block. Mimick human networks digitally (which internet fundamentally already is) and it will be fine, messy as humans are, but fine in terms of utility and value derived by people using their tools. Tarkowski hits on key points, but seemingly takes the notions of scale and the centrality of a tech platform (and calling that the community) as a given, whereas I see them as the narrative that bigger tech platforms created. For them that narrative was necessary to be able to monetise, to get above the Cosean Floor with funding. There is no presumptive need for any social networks to be at scale for the entirety of human interaction to be at scale as a result. Community is not a synonym for platform or for the combination of a platform and its users. Approaching the fediverse from this 'big tech' framing more likely permeates the Paradox of Open it starts with than the resulting suggestions solve it. Escape it by working with the actual human meaning and level of social networks and the tools they deploy to interact, and ensure they can interconnect. E-mail, snail mail, SSB, IFPS make more sense here than Twitter, FB et al.

This again is where it derails: 'a new bigger Mastodon'. There is no Mastodon as such. That's the point to/of leverage.

Yes. It requires however letting go of starting from the tech as a single plaform or the presumption of scale, and starting from community and network. The group once formed shapes/defines the tech tools used. Then link those tools used up into a federated whole, that in turn may need its own governance structures. Vgl [[Waardevol op zich, waardevoller verbonden 20190513163855]] (valuable on its own, more valuable connected)

This makes sense. Not just for public institutions, also for other types of organisations. Public institutions have a leading by example role here.

Why is the apparant assumption here that it is needed to start from a perspective of global scale? Why one 'shared mission' e.g.?

I'm surprised that the underlying assumption (and tone) not just here but in most tech discussion of this type, is still that 'everything' around a tech tool should be done through that tech tool. Of course you need to organise around it, and professionalise that in the face of growth or becoming more central to some group's functioning. Obviously you need to leverage other types of governance and decision making than what went into creating a tech at first. Institutionalising is a time proven way to sustain an effort. Technology = politics. You need to be a politician in your own technology space. A politican in the artisanal and as a practice / behaviour sense, not in the occupation sense. Vgl [[Mijn werk is politiek 20190921114750]] which mostly implies thinking at different levels of abstraction about your situation simultaneously (Vgl [[Triz denken in systeemniveaus 20200826114731]] but then socially as well as tech)

PublicSpaces overtones here. They're not wrong. Presumably Paul Keller is involved in it?

This comes back to my 'tech smaller than us', governance and technological control over a tool should reside within the context-specific group of users using it. Which does not mean every single person within the group needs all the skills to control the tool, just that the group has it within itself, and decides on how that control is used a group. Vgl [[Networked Agency 20160818213155]] and [[Technologie kleiner dan ons 20160818122905]] n:: This would e.g. imply in Tarkowski's text that a community run instance would ensure having at least 1 member contribute code to Mastodon, and strategically operate to ensure that. Is this also an element wrt the above about Paradox of Open, as the non-monetary benefits of contributing may be well be enumerated as part of the operating costs of a community instance?

unless as I said servers and individuals are often the same. Not per se to run a Mastodon instance as discussed here, but to have a website that also supports #ActivityPub interaction

Indeed, and this is what many don't seem to take into account. E.g. calls for various centralisation efforts. The way 'out' of being under 'benevolent dictators' is to fragment more to the level where you are your own dictator and moderation decisions at individual level and server level are identical, or where you have a cohesive circle of trust in which those decisions take place (i.e. small servers with small groups)

The Paradox of Open (Source) is as Keller and Tarkowski formulate it, that the clear socio-economic value and tech impact of open source comes from underfunded / volunteer work. Vgl [[Bootstrapping 20201007204011]] and the role of precarity in it. Makes me think about 1937 Ronald Coase's transaction costs which in [[Here Comes Everybody by Clay Shirky]] is used to derive a Cosean Floor (and Cosean Ceiling). Openness allows you to operate below the Cosean Floor, but it seems that to bootstrap beyond that first stage is harder. Are such projects incapable of finding a spot above the Floor further down the chain, or are they pushed aside (or rather 'harvested') by those already positioned and operating above that Floor? Perhaps your spot above the floor needs to be part of the design of the work done below the floor. What's the link with my [[Openheid en haar grenzen 20130131154227]] in which I position openness as necessity to operate in a networked environment, and as necessarily limited by human group dynamics and keeping those healthy? Balancing both is the sweetspot in the complex domain. Are we any good at doing that in other terms than just social group behaviour in a room? #openvraag what's the online/bootstrapping equiv of it? How did we do that for my company 11 yrs ago (in part by operating something else above the Floor alongside)?

https://hans.gerwitz.com/about/ this one?

An eye-opening metric. 'souls saved' vs eyeballs. As in, the number of people with access to a community values reinforcing platform. Vgl [[EU Digital Rights and Principles]] and [[Digital Services Act 20210319103722]] more geared to things that aren't specifically aimed at the culture of interaction, but at things that can be regulated (in the hope that it will impact culture of interaction).

An actor has id and type properties and an inbox and outbox. It should also have a number of things (which I don't all see the use of, why should I disclose followers and followed e.g.?), and may have a number of things, including token endpoints which might be useful

this is akin to how Dave Winer added the capability to add source to a feed in the RSS spec. I read this as only of interest if you use the client to potentially edit the source. If I'd use WP to originate AP msgs, this would not be needed, as any changes would be initiated in WP anyway

dereferencing = following the link to the source, and look at its content, to see if it matches the representation in the json data. Does this imply you could leave it at the id for the object, and leave out the rest as it isn't accepted anyway? Below it says that every object has at least id and type, so yes to the above.

to address a message to followers

it is needed to be aware of the distinctions between server elements related to client interaction, and server elements related to server-to-server things. A server is basically 2 servers in 1 if it is fully capable of federatiion.

a special to group, meaning publicly available (e.g. on yr profile page, or anyone looking in your outbox.

any AP message is in context of ActivityStreams

this is the server to server step

Actors in AP can be apps, groups, orgs, people, services. It's a choice that Mastodon assumes people? What If I create an actor profile that says it's a group, would Mastodon know how to deal with it?

If it's my client posting to my server then it's of less concern, for the client to server side. Federation is by def not to be trusted.

You should do some evaluation of received content, but the spec doesn't provide an authorative way for verification.

https://www.w3.org/ns/activitystreams#activitypub this seems quite a list, and rather central to AP: All terms in this section are described in the [ActivityPub] specification.

endpoints (@id)
following (@id)
followers (@id)
inbox (@id) - This is an alias of ldp:inbox.
liked (@id)
shares (@id)
likes (@id)
oauthAuthorizationEndpoint (@id)
oauthTokenEndpoint (@id)
outbox (@id)
preferredUsername
provideClientKey (@id)
proxyUrl (@id)
sharedInbox (@id)
signClientKey (@id)
source
streams (@id)
uploadMedia (@id)

Objects are the core building blocks of AP, following ActivityStreams spec fully. Objects are wrapped in Activities, and can be part of Collections (itself an Object). Also follows the saem URI conventions

It is possible to have an AP client-server implementation that does not do the federation part, but it would be little effort to support it. And vice versa. Does this mean that in such a case every other server should come and get information, iow another server should know to come get it? Federation is more about push it seems. Not doing the federation part means limiting the amount of stuff you get to receive (all the other stuff). For my site it would be good to limit what's being processed. Currently it seems to me that maybe WP AP plugin isn't doing the federation bits?

posting to your outbox is supposed to be treated as a Create type activity and wrapped as such. Other activities (e.g. Like) should be deliberately expressed, but create is assumed if no activity is present.

Federation comes from POSTing to other server inboxes, rather than GETting from server's outboxes. This is the source of M being rather traffic heavy?

? So at core, AP would require cycling through people's outboxes to get the stuff that is available there. Such pulling may be enough for just specific circles of people. Would it be enough for dAPplr? Come and get it?

get and post behave differently on the client and server side. Get from inbox client side, is reading ones stream. Post to outbox client side is sending messages out. Post to inbox server side is incoming stuff from the fediverse. Get from outbox serverside is getting the msgs you're authorised to see. This last one would be how I'd approach e.g. dAPplr (I think I found my working title)

Every actor has an inbox and outbox. These are endpoints URLs listed in the ActivityPub actor's ActivityStreams description

a user is an actor is an account on server. Actors can be of different type (org, group, person, app and service) I suppose here person is usually meant, but I can see group and org useful too, as well as service (different content streams by me) and even app (source of content creation e.g.)

It seems all current implementations are both, but I wonder if separating them out creates lower threshold agency, much like how microsub separates the feed server and the reading client, and micropub separates the posting server and the writing client. I can see having multiple client side thing to be able to post or see content, even if the base case is my site being my client and my server. Keeping a clear distinction of what's what is always useful.

In sum, I'd need to: understand activities use my site to create those activities, and display those of others separate the client part on my site and the server part clearly in my mind. figure out how the server part processes incoming notifications and content.

The servers between eachother also have an API to deliver notifications and content.

the client creates/updates/deletes content, and uses an API to send that to server.

Activitystreams is a fundament for AP. This is why I'm interested, as ActviityStreams contains a much wider range of verbs than just for basic social interaction. Specifically covering things that used to have a social software service since gone (e.g. Dopplr, original Foursquare, Jaiku's way of combining streams into 1) Should read and mine the ActivityStreams spec for understanding too.

The various specs by the Social Web Working Group are listed here together. AP with the purpose of interaction is mentioned alongside MicroPub Sub and Webmention. The 'related specs' mentions IndieAuth and MF2. Useful to see it presented here as a 'family' rather than as alternatives, and underscores the gap that AP could fill for my otherwise IndieWeb enabled site.

Four elements to make 'score voting' more a cooperative effort. Status quo is one of the options to choose, not the default if no decision is made, adding options is always possible (meaning no limitative list of options, which would be giving a certain power to the maker of the list), everyone marks support/opposition to all options, not just favourites (score voting) and totals are tabulated (#openvraag how does this avoid 'brainless squid' results?), acceptance (meaning no or low opposition) rather than faving is main factor in decision making. That last one reads as pointing to a balanced dual indicator: the strongest attractor wins given the lowest barrier. So first determine lowest barrier options, than the biggest attractor amongst those.

Yoyogi is a tool that taps into your mastodon account (in your browser, locally) and shows messages by author / thread not as timeline. If you'd sort that like Fraidycat that would be a pretty interesting interface.

Reading is suggested to be potentially waning, maybe becoming more elite or even obsolete. It seems to disregard its counterpart: writing. For every thing that can be read, writing has preceded it. Writing, other than direct transcription, is not just creating text it is a practice, that also creates effects/affordances for the writer. Also thinking of Rheingold's definition of literacy as a skill plus community in which that skill is widely present. Writing/reading started out as bookkeeping, and I assume professional classes will remain text focused (although AR is an 'oral' path here too)

Tracy Durnell comments on a quote that divides internet users in 'word people' and 'image people' by by position the entire internet as a modern form of oral culture. The only reason in that perspective for the abundance of text is early bandwidth and technology limitations. Nowadays presentations, streaming, videos and podcasts make a much direct version of distributing oral expressions. When Durnell talks about oral culture is that because of the style more than the format? Blogs, IRC chats, microblogging and messaging are more oral in tone. Whereas ;'serious' texts are still in document shape. Reminds me of annotation as conversation and as social interaction.

Which is why DSA and DMA target larger entities beyond that start-up scale.

This is I think an incorrect way of picturing it. Moderation isn't bottom-up, that again implies seeing the fediverse as a whole. Moderation is taking place in each 'shop' in a 'city center', every 'shop' has its own house rules. And that is the only level of granularity that counts, the system as a whole isn't a system entity. Like road systems, e-mail, postal systems, internet infra etc. aren't either.

Does it become more complex in federation? Don't think so as it also means that the reach and impact of each of those small instances is by def limited. Most of the fediverse will never see most of the fediverse. Thus it likely flies under any ceiling that incurs new responsibilities.

50ppl and >10M turnover for a single instance (mastodon.social runs on 50k in donations or so)? Don't see that happening, and if, how likely is it that will be in the European market? Where would such turnover come from anyways, it isn't adverts so could only be member fees as donations don't count? Currently it's hosters that make money, for keeping the infra humming.

Almost by definition federated instances don't qualify as large platform.

Mastodon instances, other than personal or closed ones, would fall within the DSA. Each instance is its own platform though. Because of that I don't think this holds up very well, are closed Discord servers platforms under the DSA too then? Most of these instances are small, many don't encourage new users (meaning the potential reach is very limited). For largers ones like mastodon.nl this probably does apply.

"Mastodon is just blogs and Google Reader, skinned to look like Twitter." That is pretty accurate, microblogging and following does what feedreading does too. In this case commenting is put at the exact same level as the orginal blogpost, akin to how I can reply to posts with a post of my own (like old trackbacks, now webmention)

In 2021 is DiS Geo goed in het GI Beraad opgenomen. In 2022 ging het om sectorgericht en laaghangend fruit. En het netjes organiseren van verandering. Hoe past in 2023 EU datastrategie daarbij: zijn er dingen die je niet meer zel hoeft bijv?

Promises to be interesting wrt governance structures in moderation/adminning.

Twitter trains users to behave a certain way. It rewards a specific type of performance. In contrast, until now at least, M is focused on conversation (and the functionality of the apps reinforce that, with how boosts and likes work differently)

Agreed.

Indeed.

Agreed, M allows more agency to accountholders. I see how agency and community safety are part of the technical design. What tech / functionality in M is aimed at consent? You can determine the audience for each message more granularly than elsewhere, but that to me is not an implementation of consent, more one of signalling intent.

fair point. At the same time Mastodon has I think overly relied on 'security by obscurity' for safety, which is always a failing tactic in the face of sudden influx of people. If you're in the public square you will be seen. If you need private conversation, in groups, find eachother in the public square and take the conversation elsewhere is more sound. Vgl. the e2e encrypted conversations I'm in, various Matrix servers etc. There's a plethora of tools out there. M never was a 'safe' tool in that regard, but it suggested it is because of the paucity of users.

This I think is more a matter of the research boards at univs. Esp US univs have a very limited perspective on what e.g. constitutes 'human subject' research. Vgl Princeton GDRP/website study last year, or the CrisisTextLine datasharing that danah boyd thought able to defend.

This I think is an unfounded expectation.

This stands out indeed.

Author runs a community server. Here points to how it used to be possible to 'acculturate' new people 1 by 1. That is the lurking/delurking/participating process.

Recognisable. Author was accustomed to quiet conversation and suddenly many others joined those conversations without lurking for a while. To me it felt like many T-migrants brought with them the passive aggressive tone, the streetwise attitude of don't f with me, that kept the trolls and baiting away over there. Classically what one does when joining a new conversation, in a bar, online or wherever, is you lurk to observe the setting and context of the conversation, then signal you want to join by injecting an insignificant contribution (to de-lurk) and when acknowledged you join more fully. That is not what has been happening. Various T-migrants came with the expectation it seems that they had replicated their existing conversations into a new room. Where those in the room already were the new participants, and therefore the ones delurking. The T-migrants weren't budding in, they were continuing their conversation, in their mind, imo. This creates clashes between perspectives on weaker and stronger ties. Vgl [[Lurking Definition 20040204063311]] and [[Lurking Weak Strong Ties 20040204063311]]

Author expects to be asked consent before posting their words in another web venue, here crossposting to Twitter. I don't think that's a priori a reasonable expectation. The entire web is a public sphere, and expressions in it are public expressions. Commenting on them, extending on them is annotation, and that's fair game imo. Problems arise from how that annotation is used/positioned. If it's part of the conversation with the author and others that's fine depending on tone e.g. forcefully budding in, yet even if unwelcomed. If it is quoting an author and commenting as performance to one's own audience, then the original author becomes an object, a prop in that performance. That is problematic. I can't judge (no links) here which of the two it is.

Compares the influx of new people on Mastodon as the sudden crowding of a train by a loud group. I can see what the author means. My timeline has felt like that.

author has been running his own instance for as long as I have. Not sure if it's a community server or a personal one. Assuming community one.

About the impact on Mastodon culture of the new influx of people. Esp now that influx is a significant portion of overall users. Several instances have more than doubled in a week or so. Hence the eternal Sept reference. In the mean time #twittermigration seems to be levelling off in the last day or so.

This reads like being confused about what instances are. You don't need to pick one even, can participate fine without an instance. If you do choose to be part of a group instance there are indeed things to consider, wrt orientation, group traits, culture. Which are as varied as we all are. It's not about the tool or competing on css and interface, it's choosing fav watering hole to chat. Where others can wander in but also get bounced. And you can frequent multiple watering holes depending on your whim (you may not want to talk work stuff with colleagues on the sports field where your kid is playing Saturday morning). Why are these odd comparisons made within the singular viewpoint of Mastodon as tool. All comparisons must be made against human social interaction in general. Twitter is the odd one out there: everyone shouting their loudest, all in the exact same place, where all can bud into any conversation without the conversers perspective playing a role. Doug Belshaw describes this dynamic much better: https://dougbelshaw.com/blog/2022/11/12/on-the-importance-of-fediverse-server-rules/

It's not just 'everything open to all' or 'walled garden' it's not indiividual or the global population. It's all about the intermediate layers, where the fluidity of humans choosing their groups and places of interaction. That is where the complexity lives, and thus the value. Tech sin't neutral in it, and shouldn't be, as it's a human tool, humans who are part of that complexity. Vgl Technoloog podcast where they were as confused about the role and purpose of instances.

It will be as messay as, the internet itself, as the web itself. Which works. The abberation imo is centralised website silos on top of a fully federated internet and web. At least AP embraces the underlying srtucture of the internet, and the underlying structure of human networks. Federation brings the human and tech networks to a closer resemblance, which brings more digital affordances, esp social ones we have offline already.

In the olden days, yes that is a clear marker of when this remark made sense.Yahoo and Hotmail have no role in this comparison. Having your mail on your own domain is more apt. Or a group's domain (company, sports org, brand whatever).

This is nonsense hyperbole. Noone in the world uses their iphone with sim in the expectation of phoning every other phone user in the world. The only expectation is that you can phone the people you want to phone in a given situation. I have a blocklist on my phone as well. I cotrrol who can call me when and where as well. Limiting federation is what everyone does in their offline life every single second, and when deciding on every single human interaction.

An example of dilemma-phrasing. The world isn't dilemma's it's always multilemma. It's not either living room or public square with the entire globe, there are many spaces in between. I'm mostly feed-reader camp in this author's dilemma, but also definitely want to limit both what I encounter and where things can spread. Just not in an absolute or absolute control sense.

a.gup.pe is a group mechanism on Mastodon. Works like my email set-up: using an address makes it exist. This means groups are open to all I suppose, so personal curation (blocking, muting accounts) is needed. Like following # in that sense, but then with active distribution, as the group account serves as a repeater. Interesting addition.

Should people have their own webarchive? A long list of pro's and cons comes to mind. For several purposes a 3rd party archive is key, for others having things locally is good enough. For other situations having a off-site location is of interest. Is this less a question of webarchiving and more a question of how wide the scope should be of one's own 3-2-1 back-up choices? I find myself more frequently thinking about the processes at e.g. the National Archive in The Hague, where a lot comes down to knowing what you will not keep.

A valid activity in Activity Streams is using one of each Actors, Types and Objects. Me Arrives at Place, Me Travels to Place, Me Announce Event etc. It's all JSON

This instance encourages their account holders to actively block for themselves. Pushing agency into their hands, also by providing existing blocklists to make that easier. After all it isn't pleasant to have to experience abuse first before you know whom to block.

Providing lurking opportunities for security reasons. Very sensible. Example of actively providing tools that create agency for groups to protect themselves.

Having the ability to see what known bigots get up to on social media is a security feature.

Blocking means your account holders don't see that part of the fediverse, you're taking away their overview. A decision you're making about them, without them. A block decision isn't only about the blocked server, it impacts your account holders too, and that needs to be part of the considerations.

There are M instances that block servers that don't block the same servers they do. That seems to defeat the entire concpet of federating (and the rationale isn't correct).

Immers Space is a immersive web / metaverse initiative. It is federated, using ActivityPub. The AP implementation uses the Arrive/Leave/Travel and Places Object Types for virtual destinations. Vgl [[ActivityPub voor Check-ins 20221109095516]]

I've seen it mostly as place for finding professional peers, like my blog did. But that is the 2006 perspective, pre-algo. I wrote about FBs toxicity and quit it, I removed LinkedIn timeline. Twitter I did differently: following #'s on Tweetdeck and broadcasting my blogposts. I fight to not be drawn into discussions, unless they're responses to my posts. In the past 4 yrs I have had good conversations on Mastodon. No clients either though, not in my line of work. Some visibility to existing professional network does very much play an active role though.

ouch. The metrics of engagement (likes, rts) make it possible to 'rationalise' this perception of needing it for one's work/career eg.

Mike Masnick https://knightcolumbia.org/content/protocols-not-platforms-a-technological-approach-to-free-speech Aug 2019. n:: "Build protocols, not platforms" (reminds me of the convo's around Jabber/XMPP I listened into in the early '00s) Also, IndieWeb / ActivityPub

I don't have much expectation for Bluesky, mostly because of Jarvis earlier ref to Mike Masnick's protocols above platforms/apps. But this is the one interesting bit (the others less so in the sense that portability and interoperability are becoming mandatory soon in the biggest market, and performance is an existing customer-feedback loop pushing for it): being able to choose which algo to let loose on your dataset, or bring your own [[Individuele software agents 20200402151419]] is a novel area, a new [[Evolutionair vlak van mogelijkheden 20200826185412]] adding to [[Networked Agency 20160818213155]]

Jeff clearly hearking back to the golden era of blogging wrt which values it (should) promote(s). Is the 'attention economy' only the 'corrupted biz model of mass media imported online'? The algo-induced raging sure is. Otherwise not sure: [[3 kwantitatieve veranderingen 20100420210721]] was in full effect way before it, and all three contribute to [[Aandacht is het schaarst 20201013163120]]. Maybe it's the flipside that's key? n:: Being economic with attention, as the core of what an attention economy really is like. Towards the end Jarvis slips in the responsibilities stemming from the triplet of obligations [[Obligation to explain 20120327173752]] [[Wie deelt bestaat 20130131133926]] and [[Obligation to re-use 20191223194129]]

Poster implies that a benefit of globally centralised structures like Twitter, FB and LinkedIn is verification. I think impersonation is rife there, and will be less on Mastodon. Apart from basic measures (rel-me verification against your website, use your own domain for an instance), there are similar to T/FB/LinkedIn ways to verify someone outside the platform itself, where people check it's you through a channel they already know it's you. Above all the potential benefit of impersonation does not exist on M: no immediate global audience, no amplification of messages through self-feeding loops of engagement. Your reach is limited to your own follow(er)s mostly, and they won't fall for an impersonation, as you're already there among them. The power assymmetry inherent in T/FB's algo's doesn't exist on M. So impersonating would cost the impersonator way more, and become unsustainable to them.

a second bootstrapping / zebra example, in 2yrs to 30k monthly

Plausible open source webstats, reached $1M recurring annual revenue. 4 people, no marketing, only word of mouth, started late 2018, launched beta Jan 2019, so they've built that up in 4 years. Became sustainable at 11k monthly revenue, then 2 people. 3rd added at 29k monthly revenue, June 21. Useful overview.

Not sure why Werdmüller concludes this only now, in the wake of Musk taking over Twitter. The VC has been clear for ages, esp in the US view of shareholder value as only litmus test. Value extraction, regardless of its consequences. Zebra's are more realistic than unicorn chasing. https://medium.com/zebras-unite/zebrasfix-c467e55f9d96 The EU has been developing its own geopolitical proposition wrt digital/data in contrast with the VC for the past years, with two legs: maximising socio-economic benefit from digital and strengthening citizen and human rights and European values. Not to stifle invention as GAFAM would have it, but to ensure a different set of starting conditions and success criteria for innovation.

Apart from that: any funding must be closely examined in terms of strings attached, and in terms of their consequences on possible paths in the evolutionary field forward. (I've seen subsidy conditions that made it impossible to reach the moment to do without the subsidy, in contradiction to the stated goal of the subsidy.)

An assessment method for algorithms. In een sessie werd dit genoemd in combinatie met IAMA als methoden voor assessment.

https://web.archive.org/web/20221021190712/https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/421123

Are earlier tools of critiqueing obsolete, and now misused by conspiracyfantasists? Criticism as instrument vs criticism as rejection/avoiding change? The first is part of a theory of change, so what's the other, theory of stasis? Sounds too neutral, it's more destructive than that. Not moving is also a move, in the face or urgencies, usually in the wrong direction. Note this paper is from 2004! Since the early pandemic this is more pertinent in our everyday lives

How to make the difference between the doubting academics do and the conspiracyfantasists do clear?

Critique / scepticism is meant to get closer to establishing facts, not meant to get away from them. Not meant against empiricism (yeah, that's just, like, your opinion dude) but to strengthen empirical factfinding. Establishing how the presented facts came about, and see if the method of establishing them can be improved. Vgl [[Data geeft klein deel werkelijkheid slecht weer 20201219122618]]

I don't think they run risk of spiraling. Fav's are not shared back to the fav'rs audience, only visible as action by the OP, and in aggregate under the original message. So it doesn't serve as signal to a fav'rs own audience. Boosts don't allow remarks, just straight boosts (no 'quote-tweeting') limiting it to sharing only the original message, sharing it back to the booster's audience only. Otherwise there's only replies, which are always to the person replied to, favouring interaction. Most of all: no algo watching over what gains traction and pushing those higher up in all timelines: the timeline is strictly chronological. Meaning most of the time I do not see what people I follow boost or fav. Only in the moments I dip my toe in the river of messages do I see things pass by.

de Certeau, theologist turned cultural philosopher because of 1968. NL Wikipedia spreekt v Europese en Amerikaanse Certeau, de eerste de theoloog, de tweede als de theoreticus van het alternatieve discours. https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_de_Certeau vs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_de_Certeau Veel werk lijkt pas na zijn dood in het Engels vertaald te zijn, vooral ook jaren 90/00, op tijd voor vergelijking met internettools. Kernwerk in het Engels is 1984 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Practice_of_Everyday_Life lijkt het. Is dat de bron van het place/space onderscheid

Marks says standards should be descriptive (doc) of actual things used/happening, not prescriptive (legislation). Usable distinction. Interesting to me is that the EU data strategy does both, legislation that has a mechanism to point to documentation and declare it a rule or instigate the creation of such documentation.

I'd say not just interesting, but also crucial. Where T and FB operate at generic level (despite FB pages as subgroups), the statistical, and IndieWeb on the personal (my site, my self-built tool), M works at group level or just above (bigger instances). That middle ground between singular and the statistical is where complexity resides and where it needs to be addressed and embraced. The network metaphor favors that intermediate level.

The synthetic party, a Danish political party with an AI generated program from all Danish fringe party programs since the 70s. Aimed at the 20% non-voting Danes. 'Leder Lars' is leading the party, which is a chatbot residing on a Discord server where you can interact with it. An art project.

Practice informs tool choice, tools do influence practice in return, and can become 'favourites' temporarily as exploration, but also long term. Here I'd say Harold's blogging is a practice more than a technology.

I first encountered PKM in the form of Mick Cope's book Know Your Value, Value What You Know, which did little in terms of system for me, but helped cement setting the individual as key element in KM. That was the summer of 2000. Before that I had read Sveiby's New Organisation Wealth (first published 1997, read it in 2000), which wasn't about PKM, but still put the individual knowledge worker very much at the center of how KM evolves and why it is needed. For me PKM and KM were largely the same thing, with KM the aggregate over an organisation of the PKM of its people. In 2001 I joined KnowledgeBoard where I met Lilia, David Gurteen, Johnnie Moore, and many others active in this field. They reinforced the P in KM for me. It led me to blogging in nov 2002, after publishing an essay on KBoard about trust's role in KM, which very much centered on the P and relationships. In nov 2004 I co-org'd a PKM workshop at KM Europe, together with Lilia and Piers.

This is the underpinning of the current hypelet, plus that having forgotten what went before (centuries ago, or as little as 2 decades ago) obscures how to tap into existing practices which reinforces the shiny new tool effect.

PKM is defined by the P, not by the tools for M. This means an individual system aimed at what is of import to its user. In that system processes and methods come first, then tools. Although all tools in return influence the system. It's an artisanal perspective on tools: to be informed and shaped by the artisan's intent and experience, plus the experience gained of using the tool.

For ZKII this was true. I think this, the full working day, is often overlooked when people talk about L's ZK, that it was the core of his working practice, his job to do research for which this was his tool of choice. Whereas for many in the current hypelet it is a tool next to most of their activities.

For ZKI he had about the same average but it seems with less systematic reading approaches and a more generic purpose. Still working towards his academic career, from another career path.

This is an interesting observation. Also because Memex went on to inspire e.g. Doug Engelbart. Was Engelbart aware of the history when he demo'd outlining and notes? Was Nelson when he thought up stretchtext in 67?

https://www.academia.edu/35101285/Creating_a_Commonplace_Book_CPB_

yes, it's a drag.

This may well be true for Bush too. Why say commonplace and linked notes when you can claim Memex?

I did not realise Johnson made note cards (in DevonThink) but have read his 2004 book Emergence which he probably wrote that way. https://www.zylstra.org/blog/2004/05/the_emergence_o/ I do associate card based interlinked notes with emergence, Vgl [[Emergente structuur ontdekken is kennisontwikkeling 20200922082048]] 'spotting emergent structure is newly developed knowledge'

I played with this at the time in 2004 https://www.zylstra.org/blog/2004/10/tiddlywiki/

My zettelkasten section of notes is called The Garden of the forking paths, from a 1941 short story by Argentinian author Jorge Luis Borges titled El jardin de senderos que se bifurcan. In 1992 it was worked into Victory Garden, an early hypertext novel, published by Eastgate. Eastgate is Mark Bernstein's company. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victory_Garden_(novel)

Good to see Mark Bernstein mentioned here. He's definitely strongly aware of the history and legacy he is building on with his software. I met him and came to know Tinderbox in 2004. I have been using Tinderbox since early 2008 when I went independent and started using Mac.

I have the 2015 MIT Press version see Zotero

I have a 1969/70 edition

One of the most fascinating things in historical exhibitions or overviews of the work of an artist I find are surviving note(book)s. Across the centuries it is clear that so much of the work of making sense, of developing practices, striving for results, consists of making notes. Even if not for re-use as a way of being present.

This is akin to how I kept notes for most my life. With notable exceptions when I used The Brain and later a local wiki, which made interlinking easy. Before that, it was loose handwritten notes (since I was 10), often bundled in a5 blocks, but still one note per page, or loose txt files on a xt. After it was Evernote. Until early 2020 when I returned to loose notes digitally

Everything has a lineage, and the one for pkm is centuries deep.

there's tools and there's practices.

around 2018 AND later during ... Covid started early 2020, so something is missing here. Was Roam launched 2018? Obsidian is from early 2020 indeed.

Great to read this essay, after folllowing the annotations Chris made in h. that fed into his notes that led to this essay. Fun to recognise bits and pieces from his h. feed in recent months.

For me the first new connection happened at 35 notes, or within a week of starting my notes garden in July 2020. Documented in my blog https://hyp.is/R59hRFKvEe21Cj8MfKmtxQ/www.zylstra.org/blog/2020/07/planting-the-garden-of-forking-paths/ This is an order of magnitude difference (also mentioned by Matthias in the comments) from what you mention. This may well be, in both Matthias and my own case from having worked with these type of notes much longer (just not in this particular fashion), and me in this case recycling my own blogposts and earlier output back into atomic notes. I suppose that results in more 'refined' notes, less processing steps needed to make a new connection in my mind.

I see people use Drafts like this for anything text based. Also to quickly jot things down on mobile and then later have it be processed (by Hazel or Alfred) to be placed in the right context and application.

This comes near the previous annotation about programming portals closing the divide between the terminal and the use of graphical interfaces across applications.

the title immediately grabbed me.

Ben Werdmüller sees the Musk take-over as one of more signs that Twitter as we know it is sunsetting. Like FB it is losing its role as the all-in-one communal 'space'. I think the decline is real, but also think it will be long drawn out decline. Early adopters and early main stream may well jump ship, if they haven't already some time ago. The rest, including companies, will hang around much longer, if only for the sunk costs (socially and capital). An alternative (hopefully a multitude as Ben suggests) needs to clearly present itself, but hasn't in a way the mainstream recognises I think. It may well hurt to hold on for many, but if there's no other thing to latch onto people will endure the pain. Boiling frog and all that.

In light of Hypercard more like 'the industry has been avoiding this on purpose'.

murmuratur http://www.loper-os.org/?p=568 #2011/11/29 that's exactly why it went away, breaking the divide between coder and user, as everyone being a coder, a shaper of their computer as a tool conflicts with the biz model. Fitting it is listed here as letting user and programmer be the same person.

Internal re-use along the lines of [[Data wat de overheid doet 20141013110101]] means questions being asked of the data, that BI teams don't think of. (perhaps because of the common disconnect between bi-teams and operational/policy teams?) This is a repeat pattern of what can be observed externally with open data as well. (Vgl CBS open data community in the 2010s)

companies are their own objects of sociality (the work, processes, habits etc.) companies are their own self-formed user group. I am placing companies here on the spectrum of communities of interest/learning/practice. #2007/10/26

After letting professionals in a company have access to their internal BI data, they made it re-usable for themselves by -adding social structures (iirc indicating past and present people, depts etc., curating it for specific colleagues, forming subgroups around parts of the data) -adding context (iirc linking it to ongoing work, and external developments, adding info on data origin) Thus they started socially filtering the data, with the employee network as social network [[Social netwerk als filter 20060930194648]].

Most data in a company is collected for a single purpose (indicators, reporting, marketing). Companies usually don't look at how that data about themselves might be re-used by themselves. Vgl [[Data wat de overheid doet 20141013110101]] where I described this same effect for the public sector (based on work for the Court of Audit, not tying it back to this here. n:: re-use company internal data

This never happened in this way. Another example of how #socsoft became marketing almost exlusively. With the exeception perhaps of async tools like Slack (2013) or Yammer (2008, still exists as part of MS), although filtering is not their point, their users may use it that way. The whole #socsoft for org internal k-work never got much traction. Still a lost opportunity imo. Tools probably need to better fit existing culture/communication styles in org and be internal, but being created as separate place external with its own assumptions.

I wrote this in 2007, just as FB and Twitter took off, so was thinking not of them but other social tools (social software rather than media). One way #socmed turned toxic is because they started filtering for us?

This one is just silly. None of those costs are seriously influenced by the way you make your income. The costs of living are always there. The comparison between self-employed and salaried work as an artist is odd too, which artist is salaried as such? Meaning journalists here probably. Taking Kelly literally on his 100k/yr is even odder, that is high end earning literally everywhere in the world (top 10% in the USA and NL e.g). Yes living in a city is usually more expensive. Kelly's true fans message isn't promising that costs disappear.

I think this is the key thing. The US-ian idea that there's only 'do it on your own' alternatives in the face of failing larger structures (apart from the 'so let's tear those structures down with gusto' that others conclude from it) breaks because it only works for people doing so within the context of those structures existing failing or not, as a minority. Otherwise there's no comparison to be made. How do I fare on my own, compared to those who still work in 'the industry'?

This should have been the title! And then perhaps use Kelly's essay to illustrate that people used that nudge to try and avoid the bad state of the creator economy, but that it doesn't solve the underlying problems.

This feels like 'Kelly's 1000 fans has proven to be a nicely sticky message so let's make it lead' so that people may read about the bad state of the creator economy in general, because that isn't sticky. Piggybacking on Kelly to make a different point altogether.

and that's all it is and ever was, while pointing out there are now other means at hand to do that, and measure your progress, than pre-web. so why set it up as 'theory' in the title?

bothered by how people use it, is not the same as being bothered by the concept is it? "Kitchen knives are great for cooking, you can now mix ingredients by chopping things up, it revolutionises the concept of meals and dishes allowing a variety of taste combinations. We can all be chefs!" "What bothers me most about the "Kitchen Knive" concept is how nowadays there are bad people stabbing others with it."

indeed. see 'do without intermediaries' and don't make yourself as consumer only a passive element in the whole recommendation circus.

That doesn't follow. I don't read Kelly's 'one click' as meaning that the most obscure thing is directly adjacent to the most famous thing as seen from their end. The one click point is that everything is just one hyperlink away, from the 'consumer's' end. Not everyone in the world is my neighbour, but all people online are indeed one click away (although I may not be aware of that most of the time). For me this points to the importance of self-intermediation, i.e. the weblogstyle curation, that 'word-of-hyperlink' propagation of finds. There are now many ways around the intermediaries, even as those evolve or new ones claim their role, even if they remain dominant.

theory? indeed one way of setting things up so you can be seen to take it down.

Kelly: do without intermediators Karpf: intermediators have found ways to keep intermediating. How does that negate the premise as such?

(The clue is in the word industry, if one's looking for what's wrong with it)

yes, if you let them. The flipside of artists, or anyone, looking for true fans, is that it requires a certain level of pro-activeness on the side of the audience too looking for their niche 'true stars'.

True. You can't afford being a True Fan in Kelly's literal wording most of the time even in affluent societies. If I was a true fan of something in my teens (I wasn't) I wasn't spending money on it. For all the concern W is displaying for artists trying to make an income off Kelly's rule of thumb, then in this turn of phrase turning that creative output into their fans 'hobby' probably is a put-down for any artist reading this. Thanks, mate.

It isn't about 'hobbies' only either. The stacking of subscriptions is also problematic. It's the culture intermediators from above doing the exact same thing, thus eroding potential revenue in any actual existing niches (Netflix, Amazon Prime, Spotify: the point is most people want both the fat head of the long tail to be available to them, in addition to the niches they're fan of. The spending likely still starts at the fat head, esp if it follows the same pattern as niche spending, small amounts regularly), and everybody else too (why does every single piece of software turn into a yearly subscription without realising all the umpteenth tools on my laptop trying to do the same make that impossible)

Yet I've never taken Kelly literally, not about the 1000 people, and not about the $100, you can switch that to any number, relevant to any location on earth, and any lifestyle, and still be invited to think realistically about the actual reach you need to make a living. In all cases you don't need to be a superstar to make it, nor a global market leader. It always used to be you could be 'world famous' in your part of the woods, now your part of the woods can be more distributed and does not depend on locality per se.

More recently I also have come to see translation as creative work, not just placing it in a different conversation, but as a 'language game' a la Wittgenstein, it has different effects when one translates something. When my notes are mixed language, or when I translate one for a blogpost, that act of translation becomes part of the work of making sense of the notion in the note, it regularly offers new avenues of thought. Due to slight differences in meaning between words in languages, or because of the ethymology of a word in another language offering a new line of thought.

My current practice, reading in multiple languages, seeing myself as participant in different conversations, where I sometimes carry those conversations to another place (in another language). If I blog in another language, it's because of the conversational context I am placing that posting in, it's never an attempt to offer the content here in translation.

Meshing is a useful term

This is still how I approach multilingual settings. Building a chain (my go to example is an early 90s example of a students meet-up in Hungary where a Russian spoke Russian to a Bulgarian who spoke Spanish to a Spanish student who spoke English and put the Russian's words in front of the rest of us.) This is imprecise, but human and forgiving.

I think this is still valid. Enforcing a single language is too rigid. Although for a temporary context may well be the best working solution (say, a single meeting), and centralised translation is only worth the enormous effort if there's a strong need for reliably translated material (such as the EU laws)

We're 19yrs on now from when I wrote this. Things are better but far from perfect. I'm getting good use out of DeepL, but it still helps if you know the other language to help understand what is meant.

ha! an elusive joker that refutes the other concepts in the notes. Sounds like L could be frustrated in his 'communication with his ZK' searching for a note. I've definitely had that, being unable to find a thing in my 1600 or so ZK type notes that I know is in there somewhere in some form. Let alone in his 67k notes ZKII

Another metaphor, the ZK has the complicated digestive system of ruminantia. This says something about the work involved, but also about how there's a temporal dimension at play. Things can come back to be used long after being put in. The internal connectivity determines the process.

L sees ZK as extension of his personal experience with better thinking through writing, although that seems to mostly cover the input side of ZK. The mention of anspruchsvollen Zugriff (ambitious/demanding ways of accessing the notes) in constellation (Zusammenhängen) is very much usage/output related. The mention of clearly establishing differences (einzukerben, which is a raw almost violent choice of words) is notable, also goes back to the stated purpose of ZKII to find the imperfections and inadequacies in the concepts studied.

This sounds bit like [[Gestalten and Constellations above Crumbs 20200426111123]] wrt to exposing context without noting such context all down, but keeping it accessible for when one is going through what was noted.

L says there's a feedback loop to reading when you make notes. Atomic notes change reading and are not excerpts. Fragmentation and non-linearity, also a form of interdependency interruption?

Very interesting. L's preconceived order, and the branches resulting from his numbering, are in a sense introducing the interruption of interdependence between notions here. Interdependenzuntrebrechung afaict is a L term in his system theorie, where creating disconnects is a way to make things manageable. Organisations are a means to create an interdependency interruption, demarcating, fencing off really, the inside from the outside. This is akin a path from complex realm to complicated and locally to simple. A path to production requires such demarcation, a limit, to be able to express it in an output.

Because of the previous notion that an entry point should offer more than a single note, it is not enough to just order things under big themes. 'although that is still needed too' : I suppose because of the physical nature of his ZK things must have some pre-conceived topics. The connections must escape the preconceived structure, provding an emergent one.

ZK is compared to a septic tank here. Don't just add clarified notes, put in rough material too. Postponing evaluation and decision (elsewhere: because the question at time of use determines the lens for that). Also a matter of speed: how? loosing a thought as you're taking too long to get down the preceding one?

I find it interesting to find this septic tank metaphor in ZKII, when compared to his 1980's communication partner one. They are of very different type. To me it feels the septic tank metaphor fits ZKI better, which seems to have been less aimed as tool on certain outputs, whereas ZKII started with more purpose, and was used that way. Notes are undated, is this L's thinking at the time of starting ZKII, i.e. the result of reflecting on ZKI while starting ZKII?

the connections between notes are important because they allow every access point to provide more than just that single entry.

Formulation of the emergent character of working with L's ZK. The unordered/ordered distinction points to it being a means, starting out in the complex domain, bringing it to the compllicated, where scientific method resides. The serendipitous combinations and the clustering are emergent structures that provide new insights [[Emergente structuur ontdekken is kennisontwikkeling 20200922082048]]

"The productivity problem must be formulated in the context of a relation, in the relation of the ZK and its user." This holds generally I suppose, productivity notions must be placed in the context of the producer and their tools. Where the producer also is the one formulating what counts as productivity. Vgl [[A Practice for Note Card Systems Outputs – Interdependent Thoughts 20221023140227]] Reading this I realise I have little purpose for e.g. economic measures of general population productivity, and e.g. in my company staying away from using billable hours as measure for productivity (but struggling to find another way to have such conversations, about effectiveness perhaps more than productivity)

Interesting. L talks here about attempts to make a second brain for himself. Citing that assistants are problematic: hard to find, and ever more unruly and unmanageable. Sounds cranky.

Then says, micropocessors have been announced but not yet available really. ==> L would have done his ZK digitally if given the chance?

Complains human memory is limited and needs relief through tooling.

This is a rather 'human' type of note. Different from densely referenced other stuff, more autobiographic in a sense, as it speaks to throughs/perception more than theories and concepts.

After under 3 weeks I had some 140 notes in my conceptual 'garden' (mostly 'recycled' from my own earlier blogposts and presentations), and I report making the first novel connection for myself at 35 notes.

ZKII was a new start, perhaps coinciding with L having developed a theory of governance. The first card is a programmatic phrasing, that signifies the paradigm of this new start: "Es muss versucht werden, die Methoden und Begriffe so klar als irgend möglich zu explizieren, damit ihr Unzulänglichkeit und Unvollkommenheit deutlich wird" Wow. It must be attempted to make explicit the methods and concepts as clearly as possible, so that their inadequacy and imperfection become clear .

L's first ZK of about 23k notes came about in the 1950s, although occasional additions took place until early 70s. He was a civil servant at this time. Notes cover his readings in public governance, organisational theory, philosophy, and sociology.

L's ZKII created from the early sixties until his death in late 90s, of about 67k notes, coincides with his time in scientific institutions. Sociology focused, methodical access to his readings across diverse scientific disciplines.

L's card collection as intellectual autobiography Vgl index cards as diary, here unintended. L's notes were undated.

Luhmann's description of his cards is varied: - Denkwerkzeug thinking tool (to in a structured, connection oriented and highlighting differences way think) - Zweitgedächtnis, second(ary) memory/brain, but not as a 'simple' knowledge archive - Klärgrube (literally clarification pit), septic tank, in which to put all arbitrary thoughts/ideas and coincidences of reading material in, decisions about its informational value being made later through the internal connectability. - Junior partner in communication, because of the resulting internal complexity of the notes collection

There's a mention of the multiple storage principle here, which is also mentioned in [[Technik des wissenschaflichen Arbeitens by Johannes Erich Heyde]] to prevent having to consult the cards card by card, but can rely on relationships between notes. Is this a hybrid step between L's own system and how Heyde wrote about what was common? Did L actually do multiple storage? If so, how? Heyde suggested full copies.

L's card about multiple storage is titled thus in English (https://hyp.is/QQk9IFKZEe2e1vPRucX3WQ/niklas-luhmann-archiv.de/bestand/zettelkasten/zettel/ZK_2_NB_9-8b2_V) suggesting it did not originate from Heyde here.

Interesting that the card uses English, implying the phrase 'multiple storage' came from an English language reading source. As a necessity for storing complex information and complex evaluations of infromation.

Having put in the work is a frame of reference for providing feedback. To ensure it matches up with the reality of the effort. This goes beyond the context of writing/art, I tie this to cybernetics, thinking about feedback in networks and systems.

Author talks about repair, then mentions emergence. The latter is probably the more important observation. Repeatedly revisiting things and making incremental changes also points back to author's earlier point of the qualitative effects of quantity through paying attention. Says this creates the most interesting value from his work. I'd say this is probably a crucial piece of work. Interacting with ones own material, like linking and going through cards, adding to them is the work. Makes it like Luhmann's communication and writing of books, and Sohrens notion that the written work emerges from the previous work put into the cards.

The process of connecting written fragments is not just editing, it is also creation: make the story work logistically, and improve the language to match characters and locations. The latter can only be done at this stage, because the writing process reveals characters to the author. Author calls this reverse engineering, which is an interesting metaphor.

After writing the first things based on energy, the author makes cards (vgl those in scrivener) that would help complete the story. Cards serve as a tentative map, not as a rigid outline to complete (see advice above wrt rigidity). Works through those to select what to write next, again based on energy/excitement.

A non-linear approach to writing, starting from where your own energy is. Apparently combined with the earlier mentioned showing-up to do things repeatedly. Akin to non-linear reading?

harvesting as metaphor, points to the compounding effect of doing things (not aimless things though, methods/aims above goals)

A rich paragraph of for me hard won insights.

There are compounding effects from the small things of life, if you notice those. Vgl [[Kwantiteit leidt tot kwaliteit 20201211155505]] [[Blogs als avatar 20030731084659]]

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https://web.archive.org/web/20221019165213/https://thecreativeindependent.com/people/writer-bud-smith-on-putting-in-the-work/

https://web.archive.org/web/20220929103452/https://spectator.clingendael.org/nl/publicatie/waarom-een-europese-digitale-identiteit-simpel-moet-blijven

Jaap-Henk Hoepman over de eIDAS. Tot nu toe kijk ik naar eIDAS vooral als een digid dat Europees werkt, niet veel meer (dus om in te loggen op bijv een B of D dienst). En verder facet-gebaseerd zoals Irma doet. J-H kaart hier toch andere punten aan.

Can't go to any of these talks next week. Follow up on the names listed and see if they have a web presence I want to subscribe to.

https://web.archive.org/web/20220112185239/https://medium.com/human-ventures/sane-is-helping-you-reclaim-your-attention-online-6b79297b67f4

Came across Sane in Chris Aldrich's h. feed. Sane looks intruiging, but not yet clear to me what it is/aims to be, or how it works and is/n't interoperable with other things. This is an interview with its founder Ida Josefiina. Explore what the idea/vision behind Sane is.

Fazit: the described observations seem off to me, the motivations resulting from them and the aim of Sane valuable.

It's not just a 'rebellion'. In Europe there is a strong establishment regulatory effort, that recognises the geopolitical significance of everything digital/data. So 'rethinking your relationship to tech' is a pretty mainstream discussion for at least 6 yrs.

nice phrase. but there's a learned behaviour here as a result, that you can't simply discount and counteract by offering a different environment. It seems to require retraining. (Vgl finding my blogging muscle again after ditching FB, and reading more academic papers and books after ditching attentiongrabbing timelines in e.g. Twitter and LinkedIn.)

Goes back to wanting to make it easier to access the institutional stuff. This is a useful type of threshold eroding.

online networked micro-communities have existed as long as dial-up modems have been around. Are they confusing with finding that out for themselves with something actually new? The whole generation phrasing suggest they are.

iow they are growing up.

Sane focuses on reading/text, creating the space for thinking about stuff, and generate insights. It wants to move away from consuming inputs to digesting them. Annotation and note taking similar. Do they see it as social annotation? Does it interact with local note systems?

Where is the boundary between easing the work and friction that is necessary in learning, and doing it for you? Discovery of new ideas and formatting to meditate on sounds valuable. But it also reads like a summary service, like e.g. Blinkist, which helps in determining if something is worth a read but hardly conveys the stuff that creates new insights/K for the reader.

the fundamentals of learning have always been the same. There is a quantitative difference in information availability and speed/ channels of delivery due to digitisation and internet that leads to qualitative differences yes. n::don't have a note yet about this oddly enough, or I named it in a way that doesn't help finding it.

and this is new or unique?

please stop the 'generation whatitsname' is like 'something'. It is never true. Gen Z hypercognitive and comfortable adopting new tools is just as much nonsense as saying they are lazy and can't concentrate on anything meaningful. Young people always more easily adopt things that are newly introduced when they are in their 10s and 20s, afterwards they will be just as locked in as older people. My grandparents eagerly 'adopted' radio, while their parents likely bemoaned them for not reading the paper anymore. Likewise my parents and TV news, and me with internet. Thinking in 'generations' doesn't have any real value imo. It's shorthand for marketing, and hand waving in every other context.

yuck. learning as 'internal experience economy', very marketing speak. The earlier mention of attention in the title makes more sense to me than 'internal experience economy'

3rd purpose of Sane: access to K outside institutions. See earlier mention of not having access to uni libraries. Something that irked me greatly over the years as well. (I registered for uni for some years to gain access to courses I was interested in and to the uni lib, until it became too expensive to do so in NL when they created the non-regulated institutional fees alongside the regulated first time student fees.)