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  1. Oct 2025
    1. Reviewer #3 (Public review):

      Summary:

      The authors revisit the role of DR6 in axon degeneration following physical injury (Wallerian degeneration), examining both its effects on axons and its role in regulating the Schwann cell response to injury. Surprisingly, and in contrast to previous studies, they find that DR6 deletion does not delay the rate of axon degeneration after injury, suggesting that DR6 is not a mediator of this process.

      Overall, this is a valuable study. As the authors note, the current literature on DR6 is inconsistent, and these results provide useful new data and clarification. This work will help other researchers interpret their own data and re-evaluate studies related to DR6 and axon degeneration.

      Strengths:

      (1) The use of two independent DR6 knockout mouse models strengthens the conclusions, particularly when reporting the absence of a phenotype.

      (2) The focus on early time points after injury addresses a key limitation of previous studies. This approach reduces the risk of missing subtle protective phenotypes and avoids confounding results with regenerating axons at later time points after axotomy.

      Weaknesses:

      (1) The study would benefit from including an additional experimental paradigm in which DR6 deficiency is expected to have a protective effect, to increase confidence in the experimental models, and to better contextualize the findings within different pathways of axon degeneration. For example, DR6 deletion has been shown in more than one study to be partially axon protective in the NGF deprivation model in DRGs in vitro. Incorporating such an experiment could be straightforward and would strengthen the paper, especially if some of the neuroprotective effects previously reported are confirmed.

      (2) The quality of some figures could be improved, particularly the EM images in Figure 2. As presented, they make it difficult to discern subtle differences.

    1. Reviewer #1 (Public review):

      Disclaimer:

      This reviewer is not an expert on MD simulations but has a basic understanding of the findings reported and is well-versed with mycobacterial lipids.

      Summary:

      In this manuscript titled "Dynamic Architecture of Mycobacterial Outer Membranes Revealed by All-Atom 1 Simulations", Brown et al describe outcomes of all-atom simulation of a model outer membrane of mycobacteria. This compelling study provided three key insights:<br /> (1) The likely conformation of the unusually long chain alpha-branched beta-methoxy fatty acids, mycolic acids in the mycomembrane, to be the extended U or Z type rather than the compacted W-type. (2) Outer leaflet lipids such as PDIM and PAT provide regional vertical heterogeneity and disorder in the mycomembrane that is otherwise prevented in a mycolic acid-only bilayer.<br /> (3) Removal of specific lipid classes from the symmetric membrane systems leads to significant changes in membrane thickness and resilience to high temperatures.

      Strengths:

      The authors take a step-wise approach in building the complexity of the membrane and highlight the limitations of each of the approaches. A case in point is the use of supraphysiological temperature of 333 K or even higher temperatures for some of the simulations. Overall, this is a very important piece of work for the mycobacterial field, and will help in the development of membrane-disrupting small molecules and provide important insights for lipid-lipid interactions in the mycomembrane.

      Weaknesses:

      (1) The authors used alpha-mycolic acids only for their models. The ratios of alpha, keto, and methoxy-mycolic acids are known in the literature, and it may be worth including these in their model. Future studies can be aimed at addressing changes in the dynamic behavior of the MOM by altering this ratio, but the inclusion of all three forms in the current model will be important and may alter the other major findings of the current study.

      (2) The findings from the 14 different symmetric membrane systems developed with the removal of one complex lipid at a time are very interesting but have not been analysed/discussed at length in the current manuscript. I find many interesting insights from Figures S3 and S5, which I find missing in the manuscript. These are as follows:

      a) Loss of PDIM resulted in reduced membrane thickness. This is a very important finding given that loss of PDIM can be a spontaneous phenomenon in Mtb cultures in vitro and that this is driven by increased nutrient uptake by PDIM-deficient bacilli (Domenech and Reed, 2009 Microbiology). While the latter is explained by the enhanced solute uptake by several PE/PPE transporter systems in the absence of PDIM (Wang et al, Science 2020), the findings presented by Brown et al could be very important in this context. A discussion on these aspects would be beneficial for the mycobacterial community.

      b) I find it interesting that loss of PAT or DAT does not change membrane thickness (Figure S3). While both PAT and PDIM can migrate to the interleaflet space, loss of PDIM and PAT has a different impact on membrane thickness. It is worth explaining what the likely interactions are that shape membrane thickness in the case of the modelled MOM.

      c) Figure S5: Is the presence of SGL driving PDIM and PAT to migrate to the inter-leaflet space? Again, a discussion on major lipid-lipid interactions driving these lipid migrations across the membrane thickness would be useful.

    2. Reviewer #2 (Public review):

      Summary:

      The manuscript reports all-atom molecular dynamics simulations on the outer membrane of Mycobacterium tuberculosis. This is the first all-atom MD simulation of the MTb outer membrane and complements the earlier studies, which used coarse-grained simulation.

      Strengths:

      The simulation of the outer membrane consisting of heterogeneous lipids is a challenging task, and the current work is technically very sound.

      The observation about membrane heterogeneity and ordered inner leaflets vs disordered outer leaflets is a novel result from the study. This work will also facilitate other groups to work on all-atom models of mycobacterial outer membrane for drug transport, etc.

      Weaknesses:

      Beyond a challenging simulation study, the current manuscript only provides qualitative explanations on the unusual membrane structure of MTb and does not demonstrate any practical utility of the all-atom membrane simulation. It will be difficult for the general biology community to appreciate the significance of the work, based on the manuscript in its current form, because of the high content of technical details and limited evidence on the utility of the work.

      Major Points:

      (1) The simulation by Basu et al (Phys Chem Chem Phys 2024) has studied drug transports through mycolic acid monolayers. Since the authors of the current study have all atom models of MTb outer membrane, they should carry out drug transport simulations and compare them to the outer membranes of other bacteria through which drugs can permeate. In the current manuscript, it is only discussed in lines 388-392. Can the disruption of MA cyclopropanation be simulated to show its effect on membrane structure ?

      (2) In line 277, the authors mention about 6 simulations which mimic lipid knockout strains. The results of these simulations, specifically the outcomes of in silico knockout of lipids, are not described in detail.

      (3) Figure 5 shows PDIM and PAT-driven lipid redistribution, which is a significant novel observation from the study. However, comparison of 3B and 3D shows that at 313K, the movement of the PDIM head group is much less. Since MD simulations are sensitive to random initial seeds, repeated simulations with different random seeds and initial structures may be necessary.

      (4) As per Figure 1, in the initial structure, the head group of PAT should be on the membrane surface, similar to TDM and TMM, while PDIM is placed towardsthe interior of the outer membrane. However, Figure 5 shows that at t=0, PAT has the same Z position as PDIM. It will be necessary to provide Z-position Figures for TMM and TDM to understand the difference. Is it really dependent on the chemical structure of the lipid moiety or the initial position of the lipid in the bilayer at the beginning of the simulation?

      Minor Point:

      In view of the complexity of the system undertaken for the study, the manuscript in its current form may not be informative for readers who are not experts in molecular simulations.

    1. Reviewer #2 (Public review):

      This manuscript describes the use of a powerful technique called microfluidics to elucidate the mechanisms explaining how overexpression (OE) of Ssd1 and caloric restriction (CR) in yeast extend replicative lifespan (RLS). Microfluidics measures RLS by trapping cells in chambers mounted to a slide. The chambers hold the mother cell but allow daughters to escape. The slide, with many chambers, is recorded during the entire process, roughly 72 hours, with the video monitored afterwards to count how many daughters each of the trapped mothers produces. The power of the method is what can be done with it. For example, the entire process can be viewed by fluorescence so that GFP and mCherry-tagged proteins can be followed as cells age. The budding yeast is the only model where bona fide replicative aging can be measured, and microfluidics is the only system that allows protein localization and levels to be measured in a single cell while aging. The authors do a wonderful job of showing what this combination of tools can do.

      The authors had previously shown that Ssd1, an mRNA-binding protein, extends RLS when overexpressed. This was attributed to Ssd1 sequestering away specific mRNAs under stress, likely leading to reduced ribosomal function. It remained completely unknown how Ssd1 OE extended RLS. The authors observed that overexpressed, but not normally expressed, Ssd1 formed cytoplasmic condensates during mitosis that are resolved by cytokinesis. When the condensates fail to be resolved at the end of mitosis, this signals death.

      It has become clear in the literature that iron accumulation increases with age within the cell. The transcriptional programs that activate the iron regulon also become elevated in aging cells. This is thought to be due to impaired mitochondrial function in aging cells, with increased iron accumulation as an attempt at restoring mitochondrial activity. The authors show that Ssd1 OE and CR both reduce the expression of the iron regulon. The data presented indicate that iron accumulation shortens RLS: deletion of iron regulon components extends RLS, and adding iron to WT cells decreases RLS, but not when Ssd1 is overexpressed or when cells are calorically restricted. Interestingly, iron chelation using BPS has no impact on WT RLS, but decreases the elevated RLS in CR cells and cells overexpressing Ssd1. It was not initially clear why iron chelation would inhibit the extended lifespan seen with CR and Ssd1 OE. This was addressed by an experiment where it was shown that the iron regulon is induced (FIT2 induction) when iron is chelated. Thus, the detrimental effects of induction of the iron regulon by BPS and iron accumulation on RLS cannot be tempered by Ssd1 OE and CR once turned on.

      I did not find any weaknesses to be addressed in this paper. The draft was well-written, and the extensive experimentation was well-designed, performed, and controlled. However, I did make minor comments that I recommend the authors address:

      (1) Why would BPS not reduce RLS in WT cells? The authors could test whether OE of FIT2 reduces RLS in WT cells.

      (2) The authors should add a brief explanation for why the GDP1 promoter was chosen for Ssd1 OE.

      (3) On page 12, growth to saturation was described as glucose starvation. This is more accurately described as nutrient deprivation. Referring to it as glucose starvation is akin to CR, which growing to saturation is not. Ssd1 OE formed condensates upon saturation but not in CR. Why do the authors think Ssd1 OE did not form condensates upon CR? Too mild a stress?

      (4) The authors conclude that the main mechanism for RLS extension in CR and Ssd1 OE is the inhibition of the iron regulon in aging cells. The data certainly supports this. However, this may be an overstatement as other mutations block CR, such as mutations that impair respiration. The authors do note that induction of the iron regulon in aging cells could be a response to impaired mitochondrial function. Thus, it seems that the main goal of CR and Ssd1 OE may be to restore mitochondrial function in aging cells, one way being inactivation of the iron regulon. A discussion of how other mutations impact CR would be of benefit.

      (5) The cell cycle regulation of Ssd1 OE condensates is very interesting. There does not appear to be literature linking Ssd1 with proteasome-dependent protein turnover. Many proteins involved in cell cycle regulation and genome stability are regulated through ubiquitination. It is not necessary to do anything here about it, but it would be interesting to address how Ssd1 condensates may be regulated with such precision.

      (6) While reading the draft, I kept asking myself what the relevance to human biology was. I was very impressed with the extensive literature review at the end of the discussion, going over how well conserved this strategy is in yeast with humans. I suggest referring to this earlier, perhaps even in the abstract. This would nail down how relevant this model is for understanding human longevity regulation.

      In conclusion, I enjoyed reading this manuscript, describing how Ssd1 OE and CR lead to RLS increases, using different mechanisms. However, since the 2 strategies appear to be using redundant mechanisms, I was surprised that synergism was not observed.

    2. Reviewer #3 (Public review):

      In this paper, the authors investigate how the RNA-binding protein Ssd1 and calorie restriction (CR) influence yeast replicative lifespan, with a particular focus on age-dependent iron uptake and activation of the iron regulon. For this, they use microfluidics-based single-cell imaging to monitor replicative lifespan, protein localization, and intracellular iron levels across aging cells. They show that both Ssd1 overexpression and CR act through a shared pathway to prevent the nuclear translocation of the iron-regulon regulator Aft1 and the subsequent induction of high-affinity iron transporters. As a result, these interventions block the age-related accumulation of intracellular free iron, which otherwise shortens lifespan. Genetic and chemical epistasis experiments further demonstrate that suppression of iron regulon activation is the key mechanism by which Ssd1 and CR promote replicative longevity.

      Overall, the paper is technically rigorous, and the main conclusions are supported by a substantial body of experimental data. The microfluidics-based assays in particular provide compelling single-cell evidence for the dynamics of Ssd1 condensates and iron homeostasis.

      My main concern, however, is that the central reasoning of the paper-that Ssd1 overexpression and CR prevent the activation of the iron regulon-appears to be contradicted by previous findings, and the authors may actually be misrepresenting these studies, unless I am mistaken. In the manuscript, the authors state on two occasions:

      "Intriguingly, transcripts that had altered abundance in CR vs control media and in SSD1 vs ssd1∆ yeast included the FIT1, FIT2, FIT3, and ARN1 genes of the iron regulon (8)"

      "Ssd1 and CR both reduce the levels of mRNAs of genes within the iron regulon: FIT1, FIT2, FIT3 and ARN1 (8)"

      However, reference (8) by Kaeberlein et al. actually says the opposite:

      "Using RNA derived from three independent experiments, a total of 97 genes were observed to undergo a change in expression >1.5-fold in SSD1-V cells relative to ssd1-d cells (supplemental Table 1 at http://www.genetics.org/supplemental/). Of these 97 genes, only 6 underwent similar transcriptional changes in calorically restricted cells (Table 2). This is only slightly greater than the number of genes expected to overlap between the SSD1-V and CR datasets by chance and is in contrast to the highly significant overlap in transcriptional changes observed between CR and HAP4 overexpression (Lin et al. 2002) or between CR and high external osmolarity (Kaeberlein et al. 2002). Intriguingly, of the 6 genes that show similar transcriptional changes in calorically restricted cells and SSD1-V cells, 4 are involved in iron-siderochrome transport: FIT1, FIT2, FIT3, and ARN1 (supplemental Table 1 at http://www.genetics.org/supplemental/)."

      Although the phrasing might be ambiguous at first reading, this interpretation is confirmed upon reviewing Matt Kaeberlein's PhD thesis: https://dspace.mit.edu/handle/1721.1/8318 (page 264 and so on).

      Moreover, consistent with this, activation of the iron regulon during calorie restriction (or the diauxic shift) has also been observed in two other articles:

      https://doi.org/10.1016/S1016-8478(23)13999-9

      https://doi.org/10.1074/jbc.M307447200

      Taken together, these contradictory data might blur the proposed model and make it unclear how to reconcile the results.

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    1. Often, if there is one lone person of color in the classroom she or he is objectified by others and forced to assume the role of "native informant." For example, a novel is re ad by a Korean American author. White students turn to the one student from a Korean background to explain what they do not understand. This places an unfair responsibility on to that student.

      t was frustrating because I’m from a city in southern China where we don’t make dumplings for New Year, yet I was forced to be the expert on all things Chinese. The author is right: this objectifies minority students. We’re not cultural dictionaries, we’re individuals with our own experiences.

    2. As I worked to create teacbing strategies tbat would make a space for multiculturallearning, I found it necessary to recognize wbat I have called in other writ-ing on pedagogy different "cultural codes." To teacb effectively a diverse student body, I bave to learn tbese codes. And so do students. Tbis act alone transforms tbe classroom. Tbe sbaring of ideas and information does not always progress as quickly as it may in more bomogeneous settings. Often, professors and students bave to learn to accept different ways ofknowing, new epistemologies, in the multicultural setting

      I experienced the importance of cultural codes firsthand when I did a group project with American classmates. We were asked to present our research in a creative way, and I prepared a detailed poster with graphs and quotes, something common in my home country for academic presentations. But my teammates were confused: “Why not make a video or do a skit?” They explained that in U.S. classrooms, creative often means interactive or performative, not just visual.

    3. Many professors have con-veyed to me their feeling that the classroom should be a "safe" place; that usually translates to mean that the professor lectures to a group of quiet students who respond only when they are called on. The experience of professors who educate for critica! consciousness indicates that many students, especially students of color, may not feel atall "safe" in what appears to be a neutral setting. It is the absence of a feeling of safety that often pro-motes prolonged silence or lack of student engagement

      True safety isn’t about silence; it’s about feeling heard.

    4. All too often we found a will to include those considered "marginal" without a willingness to accord their work the same respect and consideration given other work. In Women's Stud-ies, for example, individuals will often focus on women of color at the very end of the semester or lump everything about race and difference together in on e section. This kind of tokenism is not multicultural transformation, but it is familiar to us as the change individuals are most likely to make

      Including marginalized perspectives isn’t about checking a bo, it’s about treating their work as seriously as the canon. Literature courses should integrate works from different ethnic groups throughout the semester, not as an afterthought. This way, we learn to see diversity as part of the core, not an add-on.

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    1. Reviewer #1 (Public review):

      Sinzato et. al. investigated how shear flow in a rheological chamber affects the assembly and fragmentation of cyanobacterial aggregates, with the goal of understanding how such aggregates might form naturally, and/or be destroyed industrially. The authors used a combination of experiments and models to show that cyanobacterial colonies can be difficult to fragment with fluid flows. Additionally, they provide biophysical support for the idea that such aggregates likely form primarily when cells stay together after cell division, rather than coming together from disparate paths.

      This work has significant relevance to the field, both practically and naturally. Combatting or preventing toxic cyanobacterial blooms is an active area of environmental research that offers a practical backbone for this manuscript's ideas. Additionally, the formation and behavior of cellular aggregates in general is of widespread interest in many fields, including marine and freshwater ecology, healthcare and antibiotic resistance research, biophysics, and microbial evolution. In this field, there are still outstanding questions regarding how microbial aggregates form into communities, including if and how they come together from separate places. Therefore, I believe that researchers from many distinct fields would find interest in the topic of this paper, and particularly Figure 5, in which a phase space that is meant to represent the different modes of aggregate formation and destruction is suggested, dependent on properties of the fluid flow and particle concentration.

      Altogether, the authors were successful in their investigation, and I find their claims to be justified. In particular, the authors achieve strong results from their experiments. Below, I outline key claims of the paper and indicate the level to which they were supported by their data.

      • Their first major claim is that fluid flows alone must be quite strong in order to fragment the cyanobacterial aggregates they have studied. With their rheological chamber, they explicitly show that energy dissipation rates must exceed "natural" conditions by multiple orders of magnitude in order to fragment lab strain colonies, and even higher to disrupt natural strains sampled from a nearby freshwater lake. This claim is well-supported by their experiments and data.

      • The authors then claim that the fragmentation of aggregates due to fluid flows occurs primarily through erosion of small pieces from larger aggregates. Because their experimental setup does not allow them to directly observe this process (for example, by watching one aggregate break into pieces), they rely on indirect methods to support the claim. Overall, the experimental evidence is generally supportive, but the models leave some gaps. I describe this conclusion in more detail below.

      • The strongest evidence for the erosion-dominated process comes from the authors' measurements of transfer of biomass between large and small size classes, as in Figure 2E and Figure 2D. The authors claim that only the erosion model can reproduce this kind of biomass transfer. However, it also seems that the idealized erosion model alone is not fully sufficient to capture the observed behavior. In Figure 2D, there remains a gap between their experiment and the prediction of the erosion model, which grows larger over time (Supplemental Figure S9). While the authors suggest that the erosion model is better than the equal-fragmentation model, it is also true that tracking the mean size (Figure 2B) or small size distribution (Figure S6) cannot distinguish between these models.

      • Taken altogether, the experimental evidence favors an erosion-dominated process. However, a few minor questions remain regarding the models. Why does the equal-fragmentation model predict no biomass transfer between size classes? To what extent, quantitatively, does the erosion model outperform the equal fragments model at capturing the biomass size distributions? Finally, why does the idealized erosion fail to capture the size distribution at late stages in Supplemental Figure S9 - would this discrepancy be resolved if the authors considered individual colony variances in cell adhesion (for instance, as hypothesized by the authors in lines 133-137)? I do not believe these questions curb the other results of the paper.

      • Their third major claim is that fluid flows only weakly cause cells to collide and adhere in a "coming together" process of aggregate formation. They test this claim in Figure 3, where they suspend single cells in their test chamber and stir them at moderate intensity, monitoring their size histogram. They show that the size histogram changes only slightly, indicating that aggregation is, by-and-large, not occurring at a high rate. Therefore, they lend support to the idea that cell aggregation likely does not initiate group formation in toxic cyanobacterial blooms. Additionally, they show that the median size of large colonies also does not change at moderate turbulent intensities. These results agree with previous studies (their own citation 25) indicating that aggregates in toxic blooms are clonal in nature. This is an important result, and well-supported by their data, but only for this specific particle concentration and stirring intensity. Later, in Figure 5 they show a much broader range of particle concentrations and energy dissipation rates that they leave untested. However, they refer to other literature that does test these regions of the phase map.

      • The fourth major result of the manuscript is displayed in Equation 8 and Figure 5, where the authors derive an expression for the ratio between the rate of increase of a colony due to aggregation vs. the rate due to cell division. They then plot this line on a phase map, altering two physical parameters (concentration and fluid turbulence) to show under what conditions aggregation vs. cell division are more important for group formation. Because these results are derived from relatively simple biophysical considerations, they have the potential to be quite powerful and useful, and represent a significant conceptual advance. By combining their experiments with discussions of other experimental investigations of scum formation in cyanobacterial blooms, the authors have investigated the two most relevant zones of this map for the present study (Zones II and III), and have made a strong contribution to the literature in regards to artificial mixing to disrupt cyanobacterial blooms.

      Other notes:

      The authors rely heavily on size distributions to make the claims of their paper. I was pleased to find the calibration histograms in Supplemental Figure S8, which provide information as to how and why they made corrections to the histograms they observed. From these calibration histograms, it seems that larger colonies are more accurately measured in the cone-and-plate shear setup, while smaller colonies can be missed, presumably due to resolution issues.

    2. Author response:

      The following is the authors’ response to the original reviews

      Reviewer #1 (Public review):

      (1) Their first major claim is that fluid flows alone must be quite strong in order to fragment the cyanobacterial aggregates they have studied. With their rheological chamber, they explicitly show that energy dissipation rates must exceed "natural" conditions by multiple orders of magnitude in order to fragment lab strain colonies, and even higher to disrupt natural strains sampled from a nearby freshwater lake. This claim is well-supported by their experiments and data.

      We thank the reviewer for this positive comment. We fully agree, as our fragmentation experiments on division-formed colonies clearly demonstrate their strong mechanical resistance in naturally occurring flows.

      (2) The authors then claim that the fragmentation of aggregates due to fluid flows occurs through erosion of small pieces. Because their experimental setup does not allow them to explicitly observe this process (for example, by watching one aggregate break into pieces), they implement an idealized model to show that the nature of the changes to the size histogram agrees with an erosion process. However, in Figure 2C there is a noticeable gap between their experiment and the prediction of their model. Additionally, in a similar experiment shown in Figure S6, the experiment cannot distinguish between an idealized erosion model and an alternative, an idealized binary fission model where aggregates split into equal halves. For these reasons, this claim is weakened.

      The two idealized models of colony fragmentation, namely erosion of single cells and fragmentation into equal sizes (or binary fission), lead to distinguishable final size distributions. We believe that our experiments for division-formed colonies support the hypothesis of the erosion mechanism. Specifically, Figure 2E shows that colony fragmentation resulted in a decrease of large colonies and a strong increase of single cells and dimers (two cells). In our view, the strong increase of single cells and dimers provides quite convincing (but indirect) evidence supporting the erosion mechanism. This is described on lines 112-121. To further address the reviewer’s concern, we have included in the revised version of Figure 2 (panels B and D) a direct comparison between these two fragmentation models for large division-formed colonies fragmented at a high dissipation rate of ε = 5.8 m<sup>2</sup>/s<sup>3</sup>. Furthermore, we have included the new Supplementary Figure S9, which details the model predictions for the colony size distribution at various time points.

      The ideal equal fragments model (i.e., where every fracture event produces two identical fragments with half the original biovolume) does not capture the biovolume transfer from large colonies to single cells, as observed for the experimental results in panel D of Figure 2 and panel E of Figure S9. In contrast, the erosion model, in panel D of Figure 2 and panel D of Figure S9, provides a good prediction of the experimental results within the experimental uncertainty. The different fragmentation models are discussed in lines 226-228 of the revised manuscript and lines 865-873 of the SI.

      (3) Their third major claim is that fluid flows only weakly cause cells to collide and adhere in a "coming together" process of aggregate formation. They test this claim in Figure 3, where they suspend single cells in their test chamber and stir them at moderate intensity, monitoring their size histogram. They show that the size histogram changes only slightly, indicating that aggregation is, by and large, not occurring at a high rate. Therefore, they lend support to the idea that cell aggregation likely does not initiate group formation in toxic cyanobacterial blooms. Additionally, they show that the median size of large colonies also does not change at moderate turbulent intensities. These results agree with previous studies (their own citation 25) indicating that aggregates in toxic blooms are clonal in nature. This is an important result and well-supported by their data, but only for this specific particle concentration and stirring intensity. Later, in Figure 5 they show a much broader range of particle concentrations and energy dissipation rates that they leave untested.

      We thank the reviewer for this positive comment. We agree that our experimental results show clear evidence that aggregated colonies have a weaker structure in comparison to division-formed colonies, thus supporting the hypothesis that clonal expansion is the main mechanism for colony formation under most natural settings. The range of energy dissipation rates of our experimental setup covers almost entirely the region for which aggregated and division-formed colonies differ in their fragmentation behavior (Zone III of Figure 5). Within this zone, aggregated colonies are fragmented and only the division-formed colonies are able to withstand the hydrodynamic stresses. Furthermore, we show that this fragmentation behavior has a low sensitivity to the total biovolume fraction, as displayed in the Supplementary Figures S2 and S4 and discussed in lines 151-154 and 160-163. We agree that our cone-and-plate setup covers a limited parameter range, and we have added a detailed discussion of these limitations in the revised manuscript, under section Materials and Methods in lines 462-473.

      (4) The fourth major result of the manuscript is displayed in Equation 8 and Figure 5, where the authors derive an expression for the ratio between the rate of increase of a colony due to aggregation vs. the rate due to cell division. They then plot this line on a phase map, altering two physical parameters (concentration and fluid turbulence) to show under what conditions aggregation vs. cell division are more important for group formation. Because these results are derived from relatively simple biophysical considerations, they have the potential to be quite powerful and useful and represent a significant conceptual advance. However, there is a region of this phase map that the authors have left untested experimentally. The lowest energy dissipation rate that the authors tested in their experiment seemed to be \dot{epsilon}~1e-2 [m^2/s^3], and the highest particle concentration they tested was 5e-4, which means that the authors never tested Zone II of their phase map. Since this seems to be an important zone for toxic blooms (i.e. the "scum formation" zone), it seems the authors have missed an important opportunity to investigate this regime of high particle concentrations and relatively weak turbulent mixing.

      We agree with the reviewer that Zone (II) of Figure 5 is of great importance to dense bloom formation under wind mixing and that this parameter range was not covered by our experiments using a cone-and-plate shear flow. The measuring range of our device was motivated by engineering applications such as artificial mixing of eutrophic lakes using bubble plumes, as well as preliminary experiments which demonstrated that high levels of dissipation rate were required to achieve fragmentation. The range of dissipation rates that can be achieved by the cone-and-plate setup is limited at the lower end by the accumulation of colonies near the stagnation point at the conical tip and at the upper end by the spillage of fluid out of the chamber. We now discuss this measuring range in lines 462-473 of the revised manuscript.

      Although our setup does not cover Zone (II), we now refer to recent results in the literature for evidence of aggregation-dominance at Zone (II). The experimental study of Wu et al. (2024) (reference number 64 of the revised manuscript) investigated the formation of Microcystis surface scum layers in wind-mixed mesocosms. Their study identified aggregation of colonies in the scum layer, resulting in increases of colony size at rates faster than cell division. These results agree with our model, and the parameters range investigated fall within the Zone II. We have included in the revised version, lines 328-337, a detailed discussion elucidating the parameter range covered in our experiments and the findings of Wu et al. (2024).

      Other items that could use more clarity:

      (5) The authors rely heavily on size distributions to make the claims of their paper. Yet, how they generated those size distributions is not clearly shown in the text. Of primary concern, the authors used a correction function (Equation S1) to estimate the counts of different size classes in their image analysis pipeline. Yet, it is unclear how well this correction function actually performs, what kinds of errors it might produce, and how well it mapped to the calibration dataset the authors used to find the fit parameters.

      We agree with the reviewer that more details of the correction function should be included. We have included in the revised version of the Supporting Information, in lines 785-796, a more detailed explanation of the correction function. Furthermore, a direct comparison of raw and corrected histograms of the size distribution and its associated uncertainty is presented in the new Supplementary Figure S8.

      (6) Second, in their models they use a fractal dimension to estimate the number of cells in the group from the group radius, but the agreement between this fractal dimension fit and the data is not shown, so it is not clear how good an approximation this fractal dimension provides. This is especially important for their later derivation of the "aggregation-to-cell division" ratio (Equation 8)

      We agree with the reviewer that more details on the estimation of fractal dimension are needed. The revised version, under Materials and Methods in lines 508-515, now includes the detailed estimation procedure, the number of colonies analysed, and the associated uncertainty.

      Reviewer #1 (Recommendations For The Authors):

      In light of the weak evidence for claim #2 outlined above, I believe the paper would benefit from a more explicit comparison in Figure 2C of the two models - idealized erosion, and idealized binary fission. With such a comparison, the authors would have stronger footing to claim that one process is more important than the other.

      As mentioned in our answer above to comment #2 of public review, we have included in the revised version of Figure 2 (panels B and D) a direct comparison between the erosion and equal fragments (binary fission) models for large division-formed colonies fragmented under ε = 5.8 m<sup>2</sup>/s<sup>3</sup>. The comparison is further detailed in the new Supplementary Figure S9 for representative time points. Only the erosion models can recover the biovolume transfer from large colonies to single cells, as observed for the experimental results in Figure 2D and further detailed in Figure S9D. We believe that the revised version of Figure 2 and the new Supplementary Figure S9 provide strong evidence in support of the erosion fragmentation model.

      Would the authors comment on their chosen range of experimental dissipation rates? For instance, was their goal more to investigate industrial/engineering applications where the goal is to disrupt the cyanobacteria, but not really typical natural conditions under which the groups might form?

      The choice of experimental dissipation rates in our experiment was such that it covers engineering applications such as artificial mixing of eutrophic lakes using bubble plumes. We have now clarified in the Introduction, on lines 37-39, that artificial mixing has been successfully applied in several lakes to suppress cyanobacterial blooms. Furthermore, we have now clarified in the caption of Figure 5 that the bars on the right side indicate typical values of dissipation rates induced by natural wind-mixing, bubble plumes in artificially mixed lakes, and laboratory-scale experiments such as cone-and-plate systems and stirred tanks. The dissipation rates induced by the bubble plumes in artificially mixed lakes could potentially fragment aggregated cyanobacterial colonies and thus disrupt bloom formation. However, our preliminary experiments demonstrated that high levels of dissipation rate were required to achieve fragmentation, therefore we’ve focused on the upper range of values (0.01 to 10 m<sup>2</sup>/s<sup>3</sup>).

      The dissipation rates generated by the cone-and-plate approach are indeed higher than the dissipation rates under typical natural conditions in lakes. We have now added a detailed discussion of the range of dissipation rates generated by the cone-and-plate approach in the revised manuscript, under section Materials and Methods in lines 462-473, where we also explain that these values are higher than the natural dissipation rates generated by wind action in lakes. However, the more generic insights obtained by our study, shown in Figure 5, are relevant for dissipation rates of natural lakes (e.g., Zone II). Therefore, in our discussion of Figure 5 we have now included the recent findings of Wu et al. (2024) (reference number [64] of the revised manuscript), who studied bloom formation of Microcystis in mesocosm experiments at dissipation rates representative of natural conditions; see also our reply to the next comment.

      The authors should consider testing the space of Zone II on their phase map, for instance at very high particle concentrations and even lower rotational speeds, in order to show that their derivations match experiments.

      Good point. As mentioned in our answer above to comment #4 of the public review, Zone II lies beyond the measuring range of our experimental setup. Instead, we refer to the recent study of Wu et al. (2024) (reference number [64] of the revised manuscript) which demonstrated that dense scum layers of Microcystis colonies are aggregation-dominated. These mesocosm experiments agree with our model predictions and their parameter range falls within Zone II. We have included in the revised version, lines 328-337, a detailed discussion where we elucidate the parameter range covered in our experiments and compare our predictions for Zone II with the recent findings of Wu et al. (2024).

      The authors should show their calibration data and fit for the correction function of equation S1. Additionally, you may consider showing "raw" and "corrected" histograms of the size distribution, to demonstrate exactly what corrections are made.

      As mentioned in our answer above to comment #5 of the public review, we have included in the revised version of the Supporting Information the new Supplementary Figure S8, which shows the raw and adjusted histograms of the size distribution, including the associated uncertainties. Furthermore, the correction function is now explained in detail in the new Supporting Information Text in lines 785-796.

      The authors might consider commenting on Figure S3 a bit more in the main text. Even at very high dissipation rates, the cyanobacterial groups don't plummet to size 1, but stay in an equilibrium around 10-20x the diameter of a single cell. What might this mean for industrial applications trying to break up the groups?

      We agree with the reviewer that further discussion of Figure S3, panels E and F, is warranted. In the revised version of the manuscript, under section Fragmentation of Microcystis colonies occurs through erosion in lines 133-137, we have now included a discussion of this figure. Figure S3F shows that more than 90% of the total biovolume ends up in the category “small colonies” (mostly single cells and dimers); hence, most of the initially large colonies do fragment to single cells or dimers. Only about 5-10% of the biovolume remains as “large colonies” of 10-20 cells. Although it is challenging to draw definitive conclusions about the behavior of these remaining large colonies, as they account for only a minor fraction of the suspension, one hypothesis is that variability in mechanical properties between colonies results in a subset of colonies exhibiting exceptional resistance even to very high dissipation rates (see lines 133-137).

      Minor comments:

      Typo Caption of Figure 2: Should read [m^2/s^3] for units

      Thanks for catching this typo. The units in the caption of Figure 2 has been corrected to [m^2/s^3].

      There is no Equation 10 in Materials and Methods as indicated in the rheology section.

      We thank the reviewer for pointing out the lack of clarity in this algebraic manipulation. In fact, the yield stress has to be substituted in the current Equation 11 (previously Eq.10), from which the critical dissipation rate must be substituted in Equation 3. The result is the critical colony size (l* = 2.8) mentioned in line 243 of the revised manuscript. The correct equation numbers and algebraic substitutions are now indicated in lines 241-243 of the revised version of the manuscript.

      <Reviewer #2 (Public review):

      Especially the introduction seems to imply that shear force is a very important parameter controlling colony formation. However, if one looks at the results this effect is overall rather modest, especially considering the shear forces that these bacterial colonies may experience in lakes. The main conclusion seems that not shear but bacterial adhesion is the most important factor in determining colony size. As the importance of adhesion had been described elsewhere, it is not clear what this study reveals about cyanobacterial colonies that was not known before.

      We would like to emphasize several key findings that our study reveals about the impacts of fluid flow on cyanobacterial colonies:

      (I) Quantification of mechanical strength in cyanobacterial colonies: Our results demonstrate the high mechanical strength of cyanobacterial colonies, as evidenced by the requirement of high shear rates to achieve fragmentation. This is new knowledge, that was not known before for cyanobacterial colonies. To this end, our study highlights the resilience of these colonies against naturally occurring flows and bridges the gap between theoretical assumptions about colony strength and experimentally measured mechanical properties.

      (II) The discovery that the mechanical strength of colonies differs between colonies formed by cell division and colonies formed by aggregation. This is again new knowledge, that was not known before for cyanobacterial colonies.

      (III) Validation of a hypothesis regarding colony formation: Using a fluid-mechanical approach, we confirm the findings of recent genetic studies (references 25 and 67 of the revised version of the manuscript) which indicated that colony formation occurs predominantly via cell division rather than cell aggregation under natural conditions (except in very dense blooms).

      (IV) Practical guidelines for cyanobacterial bloom control: Our findings provide valuable insights into the design of artificial mixing systems applied in several lakes. Artificial mixing of lakes is based on fundamentals of fluid flow, aiming at preventing aggregation of buoyant cyanobacteria in scum layers at the water surface. Our results show that the dissipation rates generated by bubble blumes in artificially mixed lakes can fragment cyanobacterial colonies formed by aggregation, but are not intense enough to cause fragmentation of division-formed colonies (see Figure 5 and lines 348-360).

      The agreement between model and experiments is impressive, but the role of the fit parameters in achieving this agreement needs to be further clarified.

      The influence of the fit parameters (namely the stickiness α1 and the pairs of colony strength parameters S1,q1,S2,q2) is discussed in the sections Dynamical changes in colony size modelled by a two-category distribution in lines 247-253 and Materials and Methods in lines 559-565. We kept the discussion concise to maintain readability. However, we agree with the reviewer that additional details about the importance of the fit parameters and the sensitivity of the results to these parameters could be beneficial. In the revised version of the section Materials and Methods in lines 560-563, we have included a detailed discussion of the fit parameters.

      The article may not be very accessible for readers with a biology background. Overall, the presentation of the material can be improved by better describing their new method.

      We apologize for the limited readability of the description of the experimental setup and model used. In the revised version of the manuscript and the SI, we have detailed further the new methods presented here. The modifications include a detailed description of the operating range of the cone-and-plate shear setup (subsection Cone-and-plate shear of the section Materials and Methods, in lines 462-473). Furthermore, we think that incorporation of the recent experimental results of Wu et al. (2024), on lines 331-337 of the manuscript, will appeal to readers with a biology background. Their mesocosm experiments support our model prediction that aggregation is the dominant mechanism for colony formation in region (II) of Figure 5.

      Reviewer #2 (Recommendations For The Authors):

      (1) The authors seem too modest in claiming technological advance. They should describe the technological advance of combining microscopy with rheometry, in such a way that this invites others to apply this or similar approaches on biological samples. Even though I feel that the advancement of knowledge of this system by their method is relatively modest, there may be more advances in other systems.

      We appreciate the positive view of the reviewer towards the importance of this technology and we agree that its advantages should be advertised to researchers investigating similar systems. We have now given more attention to the technological advance of combining microscopic imaging with rheometry in the final paragraph of the Conclusions (lines 386400), where we now also briefly discuss an interesting recent study of marine snow (Song et al. 2023, Song and Rau 2022, reference numbers 70 and 71 of the revised manuscript), which used a similar combination of microscopy and rheometry as in our study. Furthermore, in the Methods section, we now briefly explain how the rheometry can be adjusted to investigate other systems (lines 474-480).

      (2) It seems reasonable -also based on what we already know about these aggregates - to assume that the main difference in shear sensitivity between field samples and cultures lies in the production of extracellular polysaccharide substance (EPS). To go beyond what is already known, the study could try to provide more direct and quantitative evidence for EPS involvement. For example, using a chemical quantification of EPS levels, or perturbing EPS levels using digestive enzymes.

      We agree with the reviewer that further characterization of the EPS is highly relevant to understand the mechanical strength of colonies. However, we believe that chemical quantification and/or degradation of EPS lies beyond the scope of our article and should be addressed by future studies.

      (3) Assuming EPS is indeed the reason for the differences in shear resistance: the authors speculate the reason why the field samples have more EPS lies in chemical composition (Calcium/nitrogen levels). In addition, there could be grazing that is known to promote aggregation (possibly increasing EPS), or just inherent genetic differences between strains. I am not necessarily expecting the authors to explore this direction experimentally, but it seems certainly feasible and would make the final result less speculative.

      We agree with the reviewer that there are more biotic and abiotic factors that can influence EPS amount and composition. The influence of grazing and other relevant factors on cell adhesion is discussed in references [26-29], cited in our introduction in lines 50-53. As discussed in our answer to recommendation #2, we believe that a quantitative investigation of these various factors is beyond the scope of this work and should be addressed in future studies.

      (4) A cool finding seems to be the critical relative diameter (Fig 2E), a colony size that seems invariant under shear. I was slightly surprised that the authors seem to take little effort to understand this critical diameter mechanistically (for example by predicting it, or experimentally perturbing it). Again, not a necessary requirement, but this is where the study could harness its technological advantage to provide a more quantitative understanding of something that goes beyond the existing knowledge of the system.

      We apologize to the reviewer if our descriptions and discussions of Figure 2 were unclear. One of the key conclusions from our experiments is that the critical relative diameter depends on the dissipation rate, as shown in Figure 2F. This dependence is also incorporated into the model through the constitutive equation (2). Furthermore, we expect the mechanical resistance of colonies, quantified by the critical relative diameter, to be affected by other biotic and abiotic factors that influence EPS amount and composition.

      (5) The jump from 0.019 to 1.1 m²/s³ seems large. What was the reason for not exploring intermediate values? The authors should also define low, modest and intense dissipation rates more clearly. Currently, they seem somewhat arbitrarily defined, i.e. 0.019 m²/s³ is described as low (methods) and moderate (results). In Fig 2, the authors further talk about low dissipation rates without a quantitative description.

      We thank the reviewer for pointing out the lack of clarity in the choice of parameter range and the nomenclature. Regarding the former, the suspension of division-formed colonies of Microcystis strain V163 displayed negligible fragmentation for dissipation rates between 0.019 to 1.1 m<sup>2</sup>/s<sup>3</sup>, as seen in Figures S2A and S3A. Due to the low sensitivity of the fragmentation results in this region, we don’t expect change in behavior for intermediate values. Regarding the nomenclature, we have corrected the inconsistencies throughout the text. We have chosen to name the dissipation rate values as: low for values typical of windmixing, moderate for values typical of the core of bubble plumes, and intense for values typical of propellers. Whenever mentioned in the text, the numerical value of dissipation rate is also included to avoid doubt.

      (6.) The structure and narrative of the paper can be improved. The article first describes all lab culture experiments and then the model, while the first figure already shows model fits. Perhaps it would be better to first describe the aggregation experiments, to constrain the appropriate terms of the model, and then move to fragmentation.

      We appreciate the recommendation of the reviewer regarding the structure. We have chosen to describe first the fragmentation experiments (Fig. 2), as these can be understood without introducing the aggregation effects. In contrast, the steady state results in the aggregation experiments (Fig. 3) come from the balance between aggregation and fragmentation. Therefore, we judged the current order to be more appropriate. The model fits are combined with the experimental results in Figures 2 and 3 to have a concise display. We have ensured that all the concepts required to understand each figure panel are explained prior to their discussion.

      (7) The number of data points that go into the histogram needs to be indicated. The main reason is that the authors report the distribution in terms of the biovolume fraction, suggesting the numerical counts are converted into volume. This to me seems like the most sensible parameter, but I could not find how this conversion is calculated (my apologies if I missed it). This seems especially relevant because a single large colony can impact this histogram quite considerably.

      We apologize for the lack of clarity in the calibration and conversion steps of the size distribution. As discussed above in the answer to comment #5 of the reviewer #1, more details of the calibration process have been added to the revised version of the Supporting Information Text in lines 785-796. Furthermore, the new Supplementary Figure S8 presents examples of the raw and adjusted size distribution, including the total number of counted colonies per histogram and the associated uncertainties in the concentration and biovolume distributions.

      (8) Over the timescales measured here, colonies could start sinking (or floating), possibly in a size-dependent manner, that could lead to a bias due to boundary effects. Did the authors consider this potential artifact?

      The sinking or floating of colonies is a relevant process which was taken into account in the choice of our parameter range for the dissipation rate. The minimum dissipation rate used in our experiments ensures that the upward inertial velocity near stagnation is sufficient to counteract the sedimentation of colonies. A detailed discussion of the choice of the parameter range is now included in the revised version of the Materials and Methods in lines 462-473.

      (9) "On the one hand, sequencing of the genetic diversity within Microcystis colonies supports the hypothesis that colony formation undernatural conditions is primarily driven by cell division [25]. On the other hand, cell aggregation can occur on a shorter time scale and may offer improved protection against high grazing pressure [26]." This appears somewhat constructed, as what is described as "on the other hand" is not evidence against the genetic diversity.

      We agree that the suggested dichotomy in this text appeared somewhat constructed, and we have now removed the wording “on the one hand” and “on the other hand”. The studies from reference [25] demonstrated that the genetic diversity between independent Microcystis colonies is much greater than the diversity within colonies. If cell aggregation was the dominant mechanism, a similar genetic diversity would be observed between and within colonies, which contrasts the findings from reference [25]. We have adjusted the text in the revised manuscript, in lines 46-54, to clarify this point.

      (10) The phase diagram seems largely based on extrapolations that are made outside of the measurement regime (e.g. dark red bars indicating the dissipation rate, Fig 5 - by the way 1 this color scheme could use some better contrast, by the way 2 Fig S7 suggests a wider dissipation rate range as indicated in Fig 5, why?). Hence there seems to be the need to more clearly lineate experimental results, simulations, and extrapolations in the phase diagram.

      We agree with the reviewer that further clarifications should be given about the parameter range covered in our experiments and apologize for the lack of readability in the color scheme of Fig 5. In lines 329-337, 346-347, 353-355, we have highlighted the parameters range covered by our experiments as well as the range covered by previous studies of windmixed mesocosm (namely reference [64] of the revised manuscript). Regarding the color scheme of Figure 5, we have modified the legend of the figure to improve readability. The color contrast was increased and leader lines were added to connect the colored bars with the respective label.

      (11) Unfortunately, the manuscript did not contain line numbers.

      We apologize to the reviewer for the lack of line numbers in our initial version. The revised version of the manuscript now contains line numbers, both in the main text and the supporting information.

      (12) Fig 2D. Caption is too minimal. Y-axis could better be named "Fraction of colonies" as both small and large colonies are plotted.

      The caption for Figure 2D was extended to better describe the plot. We have kept the y-axis label as “Fraction of small colonies”, since this is the quantity displayed by the three curves in the plot.

      (13) An inset should have axis labels.

      All the insets in our plots display the same variables as their respective plots. In order to keep the plots light and preserve readability, we therefore prefer to present the axis labels only along the x-axis and y-axis of the main plots, which implies by convention that the same axis labels also apply to the insets. To the best of our knowledge, this is a common approach.

      (14) Page 5, first words. Likely Fig 3A, not 2A was meant.

      We thank the reviewer for pointing out this readability issue. We intend to compare both Figures 2A and 3A. The text of the revised manuscript, in lines 146-148, has been adjusted with the correct figure numbers.

      (15) Introduction, second last paragraph, third last line. "suspension leaded to a broad distribution" I assume you meant "... led to a ..."

      We thank the reviewer for pointing out this typo. It has been corrected (line 122).

    1. Phlebas the Phoenician, a fortnight dead,

      The 1920 poem "Mr. Apollinax" centers itself on a group of scholars and students attending a dinner party. The character of Mr. Apollinax himself is heavily inspired by Bertrand Russell, a mentor and friend to Eliot, who was also a famous logician, though his concepts at times were difficult for even well-versed philosophers and scholars to comprehend. In the poem, the descriptions of Mr. Apollinax and his behavior at the dinner party obtains direct parallels to "Death by Water" and the motif of the ocean itself.

      1. "His laughter was submarine and profound / Like the old man of the sea’s" (lines 8-9). In these lines, there are two clear connections to water or the ocean: the description of Mr. Apollinax's laugh as being "submarine", and the equating of such laugh to "the old man of the sea's". Beyond his supreme intellect, Mr. Apollinax is portrayed as a man deriving a great amount of pleasure and fulfillment from the world, as conveyed by his "submarine and profound laugh", indicating that unlike the hollow and despairing voices of TWL, Mr. Apollinax acquires a humor rooted in a genuine "inner richness" and vitality.
      2. "Where worried bodies of drowned men drift down in the green silence, / Dropping from fingers of surf" (lines 11-12). These lines stood out to me as referencing the general human condition of the time: people are swept away by the chaotic tide of worldly forces (industrialization, war, pursuit of goods or wealth) that have risen in the rapidly changing times of the early 20th century. The world has become so complicated that it has become nearly impossible for the regular individual to properly navigate it, leading them to "drown". This metaphorical drowning could indicate several things: on a broader scale, the fall of humanity into sin and wrongdoing; on a similar vein, humanity becoming separate from the ideals of religion or spirituality; or the succumbing of mankind to the pursuit of worldly things such as wealth, fame, or material goods. In my mind, a good argument could be made for each of these possibilities.
      3. "I looked for the head of Mr. Apollinax rolling under a chair / Or grinning over a screen / With seaweed in its hair" (lines 13-15). Now, this is an interesting detail. It is another example of decapitation (the first major instance being the headless corpse of a sex worker in Le Fleurs du Mal). The head, which literally represents reason and intellect, being separated from the body suggests a collapse of rational order and a breakdown of the mind itself. In the context of TWL, such a disjunction reflects the intellect’s estrangement from emotional or spiritual grounding. The description of the head “grinning over a screen” adds an absurd and grotesque dimension to the scene, transforming what might otherwise be horrific into a moment of unsettling fascination. Ultimately, the tension between humor and horror illuminates a key theme that runs through TWL: intellect, when isolated from the fuller spectrum of human experience (emotion, spiritual faith, and vitality) risks devolving into alienation or madness.
    1. out.

      Underneath this section, can you add a section about the process? Step 1: request your invite Step 2: Attend a pre-event interview to help me curate the perfect group experience (and make sure you're ready for this experience!) Step 3: 2 Days of action taking Step 4: Attend your Feedback Call to celebrate your wins and cement your aha-moments

    1. You should aim for a question that will limit search results to sources that relate to your topic, but will still result in a varied pool of sources to explore.

      brainstorm all possibilities and then narrow your search for your 2-3 most promising ideas

    1. Smart (or people-smart) This means having common sense about people, i.e. being aware of and perceptive about other people, asking good questions, listening well and knowing how to respond effectively. In our full 11-page summary, we (i) break down the nuances, common behavioral traits and signs of lack for each of the 3 virtues above, (ii) explain what happens if 1 or more of these virtues are missing, and (iii) elaborate on if/how such gaps can be addressed/nurtured.

      Okay, so the "smart" virtue being about people skills and not actual intelligence kind of blew my mind. I've definitely been on teams before where the smartest person in the group was actually the worst team member because they had no idea how to read social situations. When we did that conflict exercise, or well when my team. I'm realizing I probably need to work on this more myself because I tend to just say what I think without always considering how it's landing with everyone else. Does anyone else struggle with knowing when to speak up versus when to just let something go?

    1. Case Report: Diagnostic assessment, developmental trajectory and treatment approaches in a case of a complex neurodevelopmental syndrome associated with non- synonymous variants in MECP2 (p. R133C) and GABBR1

      PMID: 40612488

      Gene: MECP2

      HGNC: 6990

      Case: 13.9-year-old female patient

      DiseaseAssertion: Rett, (Z-RTT/PSV: Zappella Rett syndrome/preserved speech variant)

      FamilyInfo: Tics were also present in the mother and grandmother, de novo MECP2 variant was detected in the proband, a maternally inherited VoUS class 3 in GABBR1 (p. F692S), was identified in the proband, and segregated in the mother and grandmother

      ParentalTest: FullPhase

      CasePresentingHPOs: HP:0012760, HP:0000817, HP:5200030, HP:0012171, HP:0100035, HP:0100034, HP:0000739, HP:0100716, HP:0030051, HP:0002136, HP:0001276, HP:0002342, HP:0007010, HP:0000717

      CaseHPOFreeRext: the case exhibited social withdrawal, difficulties in relationships, limited verbal communication, midline pinching and hand clapping, skin picking, progressive hypertonia with rigidity of the limbs, impaired her fine motor abilities.

      CaseNOTHPOs: NR

      CaseNOTHPOFreeText: NR

      CasePreviousTesting: Whole Genome Array-CGH yielded normal results

      PreviouslyPublished: Not previously published

      GenotypingMethod: Exome Genome

      Variant: NP_004983.1: c.397C>T; p.Arg133Cys

      HGVS: NM_001110792.2:c.433C>T

      ClinVarID: 11809

      CAID: CA211250

      gnomAD: NR

      MultipleGeneVariants:

      DiseaseEntity: Rett

      AlleleOrigin: Germline

      Variant: NM_001470.4:c.2075T>C

      Mutation: Missense

      Zygosity: Heterozygous

      CAID: CA3689865

      gnomAD: 0.000024 (GnomAD v4.1.0)

      PreviouslyPublished: No

    1. Tools of the typewriter trade by [[Retrotype]]

      Excellent overview of many of the basic tools for typewriter repair. Didn't have the strongest grasp of all the tools' specific names, but good enough for describing their general use cases.

      Example of a typewriter toolset including a case made for telephone company repair, but which works with typewriters.

      • Shore A durometer gauge 2:22
      • nylon fishing/picture hanging wire spec to 25kg (for drawband replacement)
      • thick waxed string/yarn for repairing fishing nets (for drawbands)
      • nitrile gloves (to prevent staining, issues with mineral spirits, and other caustic chemicals)
      • XPower pressure blower for blowing out dust/dirt and mineral spirits. (smaller than an air compressor)
      • nail grooming set with tweezers, picks, etc. (not technically necessary, but sometimes useful)
      • dental tools (for use as spring hooks)
      • Renaissance micro-crystalline wax (non-corrosive, made for British Museum, good on marble, wood, leather, etc. Good on bare metal for treating previously rusted metal. (It's recommended to use an abrasive polish for improving the shine of glossy paint however)
      • Pouch and set of precision screwdrivers (he only uses the flatheads though the set includes other) Prefer hollow ground tips which are squared off rather than wedges.
      • Chapman bit set of screwdrivers (with hollow ground tips) He prefers these for hard to remove screws. Issue that it's a bit thicker at the tip.
      • Liquid wrench penetrating oil for helping to loosen screws (he likes this better than WD-40)
      • brash wire brushes
      • steel wire brushes (uses less frequently as they're more abrasive)
      • pouch of precision wrenches (imperial and metric) his are bladed, Moody tools wrenches (mfg.) prefer the thinnest tips
      • microfiber cloths
      • jig for soldering typeslugs on typearms
      • pouch with various typewriter specific pliers:
        • 3 prong pliers (total of 9 prongs) for making bends/forming typebars (especially making bends in the middle of bars rather than the end.;
        • peening bend pliers;
        • bending pliers for sideways bends esp. with thinner typebars;
        • vertical adjustment pliers (with rollers) not good for making adjustments of 3mm or more;
        • forming pliers with screws on the end to rotate heads for bending, peening and cutting;
        • peening pliers (bending by metal displacement)
      • Magnetized screwdrivers
      • forceps
      • screw grabber (active capture)
      • spring hooks (push/pull)
      • nylon brushes for dusting
      • needle nose pliers
      • t-bender with slotted head for forming metal
      • small bottles for mineral spirits and sewing machine oil. They have small metal tips for precision application.
    1. This day we met 3 men on a Cajaux from the River of the Soux above the Mahar nation those men had been hunting 12 mo. & made about 900$ in pelts. & furs they were out of Provesions and out of Powder. rained this night

      Observation: They met 3 men in a canoe who had hunted for a year and made $900 from furs. The men ran out of food and powder. It rained that night.

      Interpretation: This shows how hunters worked for a long time in the wilderness and lived off trading furs.

      Connection: It connects to the importance of hunting and trading in the early West.

      I learned that fur trading was one of the main ways people survived and made money in the early West. This adds to my connection because it shows how important nature and animals were to the economy before cities and factories grew. It’s important because it helps me see how life and work changed over time from depending on hunting and trading to building towns and using new jobs and trades.

      Change over time: Back then, selling furs was one of the main ways to earn money. Later, hunting slowed down because there were fewer animals, new towns were built, and people started finding other jobs instead of trading animal skins.

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      Observation: They left early, went past Big Monitu Creek, saw buffalo tracks, and Lewis checked out a salt spring with some men.

      Interpretation: This shows they were looking at animals and natural things like salt while they traveled.

      Connection: It links to how the trip was about learning what the land had, not just moving through it.

      I learned that Lewis and his team studied everything around them, like animals and natural resources such as salt. This adds to my connection because it shows the expedition was about discovery and learning what the new land could offer. It’s important because their findings helped the U.S. understand the land’s value, resources, and how people could live there. It shows how exploration helped the country grow and use its new land wisely.

      Context: In 1804, the U.S. had just bought this land in the Louisiana Purchase. People didn’t know what was there, so the expedition was sent to study the land, animals, and resources.

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      1. What Marx is criticizing

      Marx is talking about a mistake in how people understand history:

      Some thinkers separate dominant ideas from the people and social conditions that created them.

      In other words, they treat ideas as if they exist independently, not as a product of society and its material conditions.

      1. What happens when you do that

      People start to believe that history is driven by ideas themselves, rather than by the economic and social realities behind them.

      Philosophers like Hegel did this: they treated ideas as if they were self-developing forces shaping history.

      1. Consequence of this way of thinking

      If you focus only on “thought” or “the Idea,” you can end up thinking that all human relations and society come from ideas — like “Man” or “the essence of Man” — rather than from material conditions like class, work, or property.

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    1. Reviewer #3 (Public review):

      The manuscript "Theory of active self-organization of dense nematic structures in the actin cytoskeleton" analysis self-organized pattern formation within a two-dimensional nematic liquid crystal theory and uses microscopic simulations to test the plausibility of some of the conclusions drawn from that analysis. After performing an analytic linear stability analysis that indicates the possibility of patterning instabilities, the authors perform fully non-linear numerical simulations and identify the emergence of stripe-like patterning when anisotropic active stresses are present. Following a range of qualitative numerical observations on how parameter changes affect these patterns, the authors identify, besides isotropic and nematic stress, also active self-alignment as an important ingredient to form the observed patterns. Finally, microscopic simulations are used to test the plausibility of some of the most crucial assumptions underlying continuum simulations.

      The paper is well written, figures are mostly clear, and the theoretical analysis presented in both, main text and supplement, is rigorous. Mechano-chemical coupling has emerged in recent years as a crucial element of cell cortex and tissue organization and it is plausible to think that both, isotropic and anisotropic active stresses, are present within such effectively compressible structures. Even though not explicitly stated this way by the authors, I would argue that combining these two is one of the key ingredients that distinguishes this theoretical paper from similar ones.

      The diversity of patterning processes experimentally observed and theoretically described is nicely elaborated on in the introduction of the paper. The theory development and discussion of the continuum model itself is also well-embedded in a review of the relevant broad literature on active liquid crystals and active nematics, which includes plenty of previous results by the authors themselves. Interestingly, several of the patterns identified in the present work, such as 2D hexagonal and pulsatory patterns (Kumar et al, PRL, 2014), as well as contractile patches (Mietke et al, PRL 2019) have been observed previously in different, but related, active isotropic fluid models. In light of this crowded literature, the authors do good job in delineating key results obtained in the present manuscript from existing work.

      The results of numerical simulations are well-presented. The discussion of numerical observations is comprehensive, but also at many times qualitative. Some of the observations resonate with recent discussions in the field, for example the observation of effectively extensile dynamics in a contractile system, which is interesting and reminiscent of ambiguities about extensile/contractile properties discussed in recent preprints (Nejad et al, Nat Comm 2024). It is convincingly concluded that, besides nematic stress on top of isotropic one, active self-alignment is a key ingredient to produce the observed patterns.

      The authors must be complimented for trying to gain further mechanistic insights into their conclusions using microscopic filament simulations that were diligently performed. It is rightfully stated that these simulations only provide plausibility tests about key assumptions underlying the hydrodynamic theory. Within this scope, I would say the authors are successful. At the same time, it leaves open questions that could have been discussed more carefully. For example, I wonder what can be said about the regime \kappa>0 microscopically, in which the continuum theory does also predict the formation of stripe patterns? How does the spatial inhomogeneous organization the continuum theory predicts fit in the presented, microscopic picture and vice versa? The authors clearly explain the scope and limitations of the microscopic model, which suggests that questions like these will be interesting directions of future investigations.

      Overall, the paper represents a valuable contribution to the field of active matter that should provide a fruitful basis to develop new hypothesis about the dynamic self-organisation and mechanics of dense filamentous bundles in biological systems.

    2. Author response:

      The following is the authors’ response to the original reviews.

      eLife assessment

      In this study, the authors offer a theoretical explanation for the emergence of nematic bundles in the actin cortex, carrying implications for the assembly of actomyosin stress fibers. As such, the study is a valuable contribution to the field actomyosin organization in the actin cortex. While the theoretical work is solid, experimental evidence in support of the model assumptions remains incomplete. The presentation could be improved to enhance accessibility for readers without a strong background in hydrodynamic and nematic theories.

      To address the weaknesses identified in this assessment, we have expanded the motivation and description of the theoretical model, specifically insisting on the experimental evidence supporting its rationale and assumptions. These changes in the revised manuscript are implemented in the two first paragraphs of Section “Theoretical model” and in a more detailed description and justification of the different mathematical terms that appear in that section. We have made an effort to map in our narrative different terms to mechanistic processes in the actomyosin network. Even if the nature of the manuscript is inevitably theoretical, we think that the revised manuscript will be more accessible to a broader spectrum of readers.

      Public Reviews:

      Reviewer #1 (Public Review):

      Summary:

      In this article, Mirza et al developed a continuum active gel model of actomyosin cytoskeleton that account for nematic order and density variations in actomyosin. Using this model, they identify the requirements for the formation of dense nematic structures. In particular, they show that self-organization into nematic bundles requires both flow-induced alignment and active tension anisotropy in the system. By varying model parameters that control active tension and nematic alignment, the authors show that their model reproduces a rich variety of actomyosin structures, including tactoids, fibres, asters as well as crystalline networks. Additionally, discrete simulations are employed to calculate the activity parameters in the continuum model, providing a microscopic perspective on the conditions driving the formation of fibrillar patterns.

      Strengths:

      The strength of the work lies in its delineation of the parameter ranges that generate distinct types of nematic organization within actomyosin networks. The authors pinpoint the physical mechanisms behind the formation of fibrillar patterns, which may offer valuable insights into stress fiber assembly. Another strength of the work is connecting activity parameters in the continuum theory with microscopic simulations.

      We thank the referee for these comments.

      Weaknesses:

      (A) This paper is a very difficult read for nonspecialists, especially if you are not well-versed in continuum hydrodynamic theories. Efforts should be made to connect various elements of theory with biological mechanisms, which is mostly lacking in this paper. The comparison with experiments is predominantly qualitative.

      We understand the point of the referee. While it is unavoidable to present the continuum hydrodynamic theory behind our results, we have made an effort in the revised manuscript to (1) motivate the essential features required from a theoretical model of the actomyosin cytoskeleton capable of describing its nematic self organization (two first paragraphs of Section “Theoretical model”), and to (2) explicitly explain the physical meaning of each of the mathematical terms in the theory, and when appropriate, relate them to molecular mechanisms in the cytoskeleton. We hope that the revised manuscript addresses the concern of the referee.

      Regarding the comparison with experiments, they are indeed qualitative because the main point of the paper is to establish a physical basis for the self-organization of dense nematic structures in actomyosin gels. Somewhat surprisingly, we argue that a compelling mechanism explaining the tendency of actomyosin gels to form patterns of dense nematic bundles has been lacking. As we review in the introduction, these patterns are qualitatively diverse across cell types and organisms in terms of geometry and dynamics, and for this reason, our goal is to show that the same material in different parameter regimes can exhibit such qualitative diversity. A quantitative comparison is difficult for several reasons. First, many of the parameters in our theory have not been measured and are expected to vary wildly between cell types. In fact, estimates in the literature often rely on comparison with hydrodynamic models such as ours. For this reason, we chose to delineate regimes leading to qualitatively different emerging architectures and dynamics. Second, the patterns of nematic bundles found across cell types depend on the interaction between (1) the intrinsic tendency of actomyosin gels to form such structures studied here and (2) other elements of the cellular context. For instance, polymerization and retrograde flow from the lamellipodium, the physical barrier of the nucleus, and the interaction with the focal adhesion machinery are essential to understand the emergence of stress fibers in adherent cells. Cell shape and curvature anisotropy control the orientation of actin bundles in parallel patterns in the wings and trachea of insects. Nuclear positions guide the actin bundles organizing the cellularization of Sphaeroforma arctica [11]. Here, we focus on establishing that actomyosin gels have an intrinsic ability to self organize into dense nematic bundles, and leave how this property enables the morphogenesis of specific structures for future work. We have emphasized this point in the revised section of conclusions.

      (B) It is unclear if the theory is suited for in vitro or in vivo actomyosin systems. The justification for various model assumptions, especially concerning their applicability to actomyosin networks, requires a more thorough examination.

      We thank the referee for this comment. Our theory is applicable to actomyosin gels originating from living cells. To our knowledge, the ability of reconstituted actomyosin gels from purified proteins to sustain the kind of contractile dynamical steady-states observed in living cells is very limited. In the revised manuscript, we cite a very recent preprint presenting very exciting but partial results in this direction [49]. Instead, reconstituted in vitro systems encapsulating actomyosin cell extracts robustly recapitulate contractile steady-states. This point has been clarified in the first paragraph of Section “Theoretical model”.

      (C) The classification of different structures demands further justification. For example, the rationale behind categorizing structures as sarcomeric remains unclear when nematic order is perpendicular to the axis of the bands. Sarcomeres traditionally exhibit a specific ordering of actin filaments with alternating polarity patterns.

      We agree with the referee and in the revised manuscript we have avoided the term “sarcomeric” because it refers to very specific organizations in cells. What we previously called “sarcomeric patterns”, where bands of high density exhibit nematic order perpendicular to the axis of the bands, is not a structure observed to our knowledge in cells. It is introduced to delimit the relevant region in parameter space. In the revised manuscript, we refer to this pattern as “banded pattern with perpendicular nematic organization” or “banded pattern” in short.

      (D) Similarly, the criteria for distinguishing between contractile and extensile structures need clarification, as one would expect extensile structures to be under tension contrary to the authors' claim.

      We thank the referee for raising this point, which was not sufficiently clarified in the original manuscript. We first note that in incompressible active nematic models, active tension is deviatoric (traceless and anisotropic) because an isotropic component would simply get absorbed by the pressure field enforcing incompressibility. Being compressible, our model admits an active tension tensor with deviatoric and isotropic components. We consider always a contractile (positive) isotropic component of active tension, but the deviatoric component can be either contractile (𝜅 > 0) or extensile (𝜅 < 0), where we follow the common terminology according to which in contractile/extensile active nematics the active stress is proportional to q with a positive/negative proportionality constant [see e.g. https://doi.org/10.1038/s41467018-05666-8]. Furthermore, as clarified in the revised manuscript, total active stresses accounting for the deviatoric and isotropic components are always contractile (positive) in all directions, as enforced by the condition |𝜅| < 1.

      For fibrillar patterns, we need 𝜅 < 0, and therefore active stresses are larger perpendicular to the nematic direction. This means that the anisotropic component of the active tension is extensile, although, accounting for the isotropic component, total active tension is contractile (see Fig. 1c). This is now clarified in the text following Eq. 7 and in Fig. 1.

      However, following fibrillar pattern formation and as a result of the interplay between active and viscous stresses, the total stress can be larger along the emergent dense nematic structures (“contractile structures”) or perpendicular to them (“extensile structures”). To clarify this point, in the revised Fig. 4 and the text referring to it, we have expanded our explanation and plotted the difference between the total stress component parallel to the nematic direction (𝜎∥) and the component perpendicular to the nematic direction (𝜎⊥), with contractile structures satisfying 𝜎∥ − 𝜎⊥ > 0 and extensile structures satisfying 𝜎∥ − 𝜎⊥ < 0. See lines 280 to 303. This is consistent with the common notion of contractile/extensile systems in incompressible nematic systems [see e.g. https://doi.org/10.1038/s41467-018-05666-8].

      (E) Additionally, its unclear if the model's predictions for fiber dynamics align with observations in cells, as stress fibers exhibit a high degree of dynamism and tend to coalesce with neighboring fibers during their assembly phase.

      In the present work, we focus on the self-organization of a periodic patch of actomyosin gel. However, in adherent cells boundary conditions play an essential role, as discussed in our response to comment (A) by this referee. In ongoing work, we are studying with the present model the dynamics of assembly and reconfiguration of dense nematic structures in domains with boundary conditions mimicking in adherent cells, possibly interacting with the adhesion machinery, finding dynamical interactions as those suggested by the referee. As an example, we show a video of a simulation where at the edge of the circular domain, there is an actin influx modeling the lamellipodium, and in four small regions friction is higher simulating focal adhesions. Under these boundary conditions, the model presented in the paper exhibits the kind of dynamical reorganizations alluded by the referee.

      Author response video 1.

      We would like to note, however, that the prominent stress fibers in cells adhered to stiff substrates, so abundantly reported in the literature, are not the only instance of dense nematic actin bundles. In the present manuscript, we emphasize the relation of the predicted organizations with those found in different in vivo contexts not related to stress fibers, such as the aligned patterns of bundles in insects (trachea, scales in butterfly wings), in hydra, or in reproductive organs of C elegans; the highly dynamical network of bundles observed in C elegans early embryos; or the labyrinth patters of micro-ridges in the apical surface of epidermal cells in fish.

      (F) Finally, it seems that the microscopic model is unable to recapitulate the density patterns predicted by the continuum theory, raising questions about the suitability of the simulation model.

      We thank the referee for raising this question, which needs further clarification. The goal of the microscopic model is not to reproduce the self-organized patterns predicted by the active gel theory. The microscopic model lacks essential ingredients, notably a realistic description of hydrodynamics and turnover. Our goal with the agent-based simulations is to extract the relation between nematic order and active stresses for a small homogeneous sample of the network. This small domain is meant to represent the homogeneous active gel prior to pattern formation, and it allows us to substantiate key assumptions of the continuum model leading to pattern formation, notably the dependence of isotropic and deviatoric components of the active stress on density and nematic order (Eq. 7) and the active generalized stress promoting ordering.

      We should mention that reproducing the range of out-of-equilibrium mesoscale architectures predicted by our active gel model with agent-based simulations seems at present not possible, or at least significantly beyond the state-of-the-art. To our knowledge, these models have not been able to reproduce the heterogeneous nonequilibrium contractile states involving sustained self-reinforcing flows underlying the pattern formation mechanism studied in our work. The scope of the discrete network simulations has been clarified in lines 340 to 349 in the revised manuscript.

      While agent-based cytoskeletal simulations are very attractive because they directly connect with molecular mechanisms, active gel continuum models are better suited to describe out-of-equilibrium emergent hydrodynamics at a mesoscale. We believe that these two complementary modeling frameworks are rather disconnected in the literature, and for this reason, we have attempted substantiate some aspects of our continuum modeling with discrete simulations. We have emphasized the complementarity of the two approaches in the conclusions.

      Reviewer #1 (Recommendations For The Authors):

      Questions on the theory:

      Does rho describe the density of actin or myosin? The authors say that they are modeling actomyosin material as a whole, but the actin and myosin should be modeled separately. Along, similar lines, does Q define the ordering of actin or myosin?

      Active gel models of the actomyosin cytoskeleton have been formulated with independent densities for actin and for myosin or using a single density field, implicitly assuming a fixed stoichiometry. Super-resolution imaging of the actomyosin cytoskeleton also suggest that in principle it makes sense to consider different nematic fields for actin and for myosin filaments. In the revised manuscript, we now explicitly mention that our density and nematic field are effective descriptions of the entire actomyosin gel (lines 82-84).

      A more detailed model would entail additional material parameters, not available experimentally, which may help reproduce specific experiments but that would make the systematic study of the different behaviors much more difficult. Our approach has been to keep the model minimal meeting the fundamental requirements outlined in the first paragraphs of Section “Theoretical model”.

      Should the active stress depend on material density? It seems strange (from Eq. 3) that active stress could be non-zero even where density is zero, since sigma_act does not depend on rho.

      Yes, active stress is assumed to be proportional to density. Eq. 3 in the original manuscript was misleading (it was multiplied by rho in Eq. 2). In the revised manuscript, we have explained with a bit more detail the theoretical model, clarifying this point.

      The authors should clearly explain their rationale for retaining certain types of nonlinear terms while ignoring others in theory. For instance, the nonlinearities in the equations of motion are sometimes quadratic in the fields, while there are also some cubic terms. Please remark up to what order in the fields the various interactions are modeled.

      We thank the referee for raising this point. The nonlinearities in the theory are easily explained on the basis of a small number of choices. We have added a new paragraph towards the end of Section “Theoretical model” (lines 145 to 152) providing a rationale for the origin and underlying assumptions leading to different nonlinearities.

      To connect with experiments and the biological context, please explain the biological origin of various terms in the model: (1) L-dependent terms in Eq. 2 and 4, (2) Flowalignment of nematic order and experimental evidence in support of it, (3) densitydependent susceptibility terms in Eq. 4

      (1) Unfortunately, the L-dependent terms are very bulky, but are very standard in nematic theories. The best way to understand their physical significance is through the expression of the nematic free-energy, which is now given and explained in the revised manuscript (Eq. 3). The resulting complicated expression for the molecular field and the nematic stress (Eqs. 4 and 5) are mathematical consequences of the choice of nematic free energy. In the revised manuscript, we also attempt to provide a basis for these terms in the context of the actin cytoskeleton. (2) To our knowledge, the best reference supporting this term from experiments is Reymann et al, eLife (2016). In the revised manuscript, we have provided a physical interpretation. (3) We have expanded the motivation and plausible microscopic justification of this term.

      There are different 'activity' terms in the model. Their biophysical origin is not made clear. For example, the authors should make clear if these activities arise from filament or motor activity. Relatedly, the authors should provide a comprehensive discussion of the signs of the different active parameters and their physical interpretations.

      In an active gel model, activity parameters are phenomenological and how they map to molecular mechanisms is not precisely known, although conventionally contractile active tension is ascribed to the mechanical transduction of chemical power by myosin motors. The fact is that, besides myosin activity, there are many nonequilibrium processes in the actomyosin cytoskeleton that may lead to active stresses including (de)polymerization of filaments or (un)binding of crosslinkers. In the revised manuscript, we have added sentences illustrating how different terms may result from microscopic mechanisms, but providing a precise mapping between our model and nonequilibrium dynamics of proteins is beyond the scope of our work, although our discrete network simulations address this issue to a certain degree.

      Following the suggestion of the referee, our description of the theory now discusses much more extensively the signs of activity parameters and their physical interpretations, e.g. the text following Eq. 7.

      Throughout the paper, various activity terms are varied independently of each other. Is that a reasonable assumption given that activities should depend on ATP and are thus not independent of one another?

      We agree that, ultimately, all active process depend on the conversion of chemical energy into mechanical energy. However, recent work has highlighted how active tension also depends on the microscopic architecture of the network controlled by multiple regulators of the actomyosin cytoskeleton (e.g. Chug et al, Nat Cell Biol, 2017). It is reasonable to expect that, for a given rate of ATP consumption, chemical power will be converted into mechanical power in different ways depending on the micro-architecture of the cytoskeleton, e.g. the stoichiometry of filaments, crosslinkers, myosins, or the length distribution of filaments (very long filaments crosslinked by myosins may be difficult to reorient but may contract efficiently).

      We have added a paragraph in Section “Theoretical model” with a discussion, lines 153 to 156.

      Sarcomeres are muscle fibers that exhibit alternating polarity pattern. Such patterning is not evident in what the authors call 'sarcomeres' in Fig. 2. I believe the authors should revise their terminology and not loosely interpret existing classifications in the field.

      We thank the referee for raising this point. We have changed the terminology.

      Fig 2a: Is the cartoon for filament alignment incorrect for kappa>0?

      The cartoon is correct. In the revised manuscript we have explained more clearly the physical meaning of kappa in the text following Eq. 7. In the caption of Fig. 1 and of Fig. 2a, we have also clarified that when the absolute value of kappa is <1, then active tension is positive in all directions.

      Within the section "Requirements for fibrillar and banded patterns", it will be useful to show the figures for varying the different active parameters in the main figures.

      We have followed the referee’s suggestion and moved Supp. Fig. 1 of the original manuscript to the main figures.

      How do the authors decide if bundles are contractile or extensile? Why are contractile bundles under tension while extensile bundles are under compression? I would expect the opposite.

      We agree that this point deserves a more detailed explanation. In the revised manuscript and in the new Figure 4, we further develop this point. The fibrillar pattern forms when kappa<0. We further assume that -1<kappa<0, so that active tension is positive in all directions. In this regime, the deviatoric (anisotropic) part of active tension is extensile. However, following pattern formation and because of the interplay between active and viscous stresses, the total stress in the emerging bundles may become extensile or contractile, depending on whether the largest component of stress is perpendicular or along the bundle axis. This is now presented in the updated figure, with new panels presenting maps of the total tension. The text discussing this point has been rewritten and we hope that the new version is much clearer (lines 280 to 303).

      A contractile bundle tends to shorten, but it cannot do it because of boundary conditions or the interaction with other bundles. As a result they are in tension. Conversely, an extensile bundle tries to elongate, but being constrained, it becomes compressed. As an analogy, consider the cortex of a suspended cell. The cortex is contractile, but it cannot contract because of volume regulation in th cell, which is typically pressurized. As a result, tension in the cortex is positive, as shown by Laplace’s law [10.1016/j.tcb.2020.03.005]. We have tried to clarify this point in the revised manuscript.

      Can the authors reproduce alternating density patterns using the cytosim simulations? This is an important step in establishing the correspondence between the continuum theory and the agent-based model.

      We have addressed this point in our response to public comment (F) of this referee.

      The authors do not provide code or data.

      The finite element code with an input file require to run a representative simulation in the paper is now made available, see Ref. [74].

      The customizations of Cytosim needed to account for nematic order in our discrete network simulations are available, see Ref. [98].

      Reviewer #2 (Public Review):

      Summary:

      The article by Waleed et al discusses the self organization of actin cytoskeleton using the theory of active nematics. Linear stability analysis of the governing equations and computer simulations show that the system is unstable to density fluctuations and self organized structures can emerge. While the context is interesting, I am not sure whether the physics is new. Hence I have reservations about recommending this article.

      We thank the referee for these comments. In the revised manuscript, we have highlighted the novelty, particularly in the last paragraph of the introduction, the first two paragraphs of Section “Theoretical model”, and in the conclusions. Despite a very large literature on theoretical models of stress fibers, actin rings, and active nematics, we argue that the active self-organization of dense nematic structures from an isotropic and low-density gel has not been compellingly explained so far. Many models assume from the outset the presence of actin bundles, or explain their formation using localized activity gradients. The literature of active nematics has extensively studied symmetry breaking and the self-organization. However, most of the works assume initial orientational order. Only a few works study the emergence of nematic order from a uniform isotropic state, but consider dry systems lacking hydrodynamic interactions or incompressible and density-independent systems [37,38]. Yet, pattern formation in actomyosin gels is characterized by large density variations, and by highly compressible flows, which coordinate in a mechanism relying on an advective instability and self-reinforcing flows.

      Our theoretical model is not particularly novel, and as we mention in the manuscript, it can be particularized to different models used in the literature. However, we argue that it has the right minimal features to capture nematic self-organization in actomyosin gels. To our knowledge, no previous study explains the emergence of dense and nematic structures from a low-density isotropic gel as a result of activity and involving the advective instability typical of symmetry-breaking and patterning in the actomyosin cytoskeleton. These are important qualitative features of our results that resonate with a large experimental record, and as such, we believe that our work provides a new and compelling mechanism relying on self-organization to explain the prominence and diversity of patterns involving dense nematic bundles in the actomyosin cytoskeleton across species.

      Strengths:

      (i) Analytical calculations complemented with simulations (ii) Theory for cytoskeletal network

      Weaknesses:

      Not placed in the context or literature on active nematics.

      We agree with the referee that this was a weakness of the original manuscript. In the revised manuscript, within reasonable space constraints given the size and dynamism of the field of active nematics, we have placed our work in the context of this field (end of introduction and first two paragraphs of Section “Theoretical model”). The published version of our companion manuscript [45] also contributes to providing a clear context to our theoretical model within the field.

      Reviewer #2 (Recommendations For The Authors):

      The article by Waleed et al discusses the self organization of actin cytoskeleton using the theory of active nematics. Linear stability analysis of the governing equations and computer simulations show that the system is unstable to density fluctuations and self organized structures can emerge. While the context is interesting, I am not sure whether the physics is new. Hence I have reservations about recommending this article. I explain my questions comments below.

      We have responded to this comment above.

      (i) Active nematics including density variations have been dealt quite extensively in the literature. For example, the works of Sriram Ramaswami have dealt with this system including linear stability analysis, simulations etc. In what way is the present work different from the system that they have considered?

      (ii) Active flows leading to self organization has been a topic of discussion in many works. For example: (i) Annual Review of Fluid Mechanics, Vol. 43:637-659, 2010, https://doi.org/10.1146/annurev-fluid-121108-145434 (ii) S Santhosh, MR Nejad, A Doostmohammadi, JM Yeomans, SP Thampi, Journal of Statistical Physics 180, 699-709 (iii) M. G. Giordano1, F. Bonelli2, L. N. Carenza1,3, G. Gonnella1 and G. Negro1, Europhysics Letters, Volume 133, Number 5. In what way this work is different from any of these?

      (iii) I am confused about the models used in the paper. There is significant literature from Prof. Mike Cates group, Prof. Julia Yeomans group, Prof. Marchetti's group who all use similar governing equations. In the present paper, I find it hard to understand whether the model used is similar to the existing ones in literature or are there significant differences. It should be clarified.

      Response to (i), (ii) and (iii).

      We completely agree with this referee (and also the previous referee), that the contextualization of our work in the field of active nematics was very insufficient. In the revised manuscript, the last paragraph of the introduction and the first two paragraphs of Section “Theoretical model” now address this point. In short, previous active nematic models predicting patterns with density variations have been either for dry active matter (disregarding hydrodynamic interactions), or for suspensions of active particles moving in an incompressible flow. None of these previous works predict nematic pattern formation as a result of activity relying on the advective instability and self-reinforcing compressible flows, leading to high density and high order bundles surrounded by an isotropic low density phase. Yet, these are fundamental features observed in actomyosin gels. Many works deal with symmetry-breaking of a system with pre-existing order, but very few address how order emerges actively from an isotropic state. We thank the referee for pointing at the paper by Santhosh et al, who nicely make this argument and is now cited. Our mechanism is fundamentally different from that in Santhosh, whose model is incompressible and ignores density variations.

      We hope that the revised manuscript addresses this important concern.

      (i) >(iv) Below Eqn 6, it starts by saying that the “...origin..is clear...” Its not. I don't understand the physical origin of the instability, and this should be clarified, may be with some illustrations.

      We apologize for this unfortunate sentence, which we have rewritten in the revised manuscript (lines 181 to 185).

      Reviewer #3 (Public Review):

      The manuscript "Theory of active self-organization of dense nematic structures in the actin cytoskeleton" analysis self-organized pattern formation within a two-dimensional nematic liquid crystal theory and uses microscopic simulations to test the plausibility of some of the conclusions drawn from that analysis. After performing an analytic linear stability analysis that indicates the possibility of patterning instabilities, the authors perform fully non-linear numerical simulations and identify the emergence of stripelike patterning when anisotropic active stresses are present. Following a range of qualitative numerical observations on how parameter changes affect these patterns, the authors identify, besides isotropic and nematic stress, also active self-alignment as an important ingredient to form the observed patterns. Finally, microscopic simulations are used to test the plausibility of some of the conclusions drawn from continuum simulations.

      The paper is well written, figures are mostly clear and the theoretical analysis presented in both, main text and supplement, is rigorous. Mechano-chemical coupling has emerged in recent years as a crucial element of cell cortex and tissue organization and it is plausible to think that both, isotropic and anisotropic active stresses, are present within such effectively compressible structures. Even though not yet stated this way by the authors, I would argue that combining these two is of the key ingredients that distinguishes this theoretical paper from similar ones. The diversity of patterning processes experimentally observed is nicely elaborated on in the introduction of the paper, though other closely related previous work could also have been included in these references (see below for examples).

      We thank the referee for these comments and for the suggestion to emphasize the interplay of isotropic and anisotropic active tension, which is possible only in a compressible gel, as mentioned in the revised manuscript. We have emphasized this point in different places in the revised manuscript. We thank the suggestions of the referee to better connect with existing literature.

      To introduce the continuum model, the authors exclusively cite their own, unpublished pre-print, even though the final equations take the same form as previously derived and used by other groups working in the field of active hydrodynamics (a certainly incomplete list: Marenduzzo et al (PRL, 2007), Salbreux et al (PRL, 2009, cited elsewhere in the paper), Jülicher et al (Rep Prog Phys, 2018), Giomi (PRX, 2015),...). To make better contact with the broad active liquid crystal community and to delineate the present work more compellingly from existing results, it would be helpful to include a more comprehensive discussion of the background of the existing theoretical understanding on active nematics. In fact, I found it often agrees nicely with the observations made in the present work, an opportunity to consolidate the results that is sometimes currently missed out on. For example, it is known that self-organised active isotropic fluids form in 2D hexagonal and pulsatory patterns (Kumar et al, PRL, 2014), as well as contractile patches (Mietke et al, PRL 2019), just as shown and discussed in Fig. 2. It is also known that extensile nematics, \kappa<0 here, draw in material laterally of the nematic axis and expel it along the nematic axis (the other way around for \kappa>0, see e.g. Doostmohammadi et al, Nat Comm, 2018 "Active Nematics" for a review that makes this point), consistent with all relative nematic director/flow orientations shown in Figs. 2 and 3 of the present work.

      We thank the referee for these suggestions. Indeed, in the original submission we had outsourced much of the justification of the model and the relevant literature to a related pre-print, but this is not reasonable. The companion publication has now been accepted in the New Journal of Physics, with significant changes to better connect the work to the field of active nematics. A preprint reflecting those changes is available in Ref. [64], but we hope to reference the published paper that will come out soon.

      In the revised manuscript, we have significantly rewritten the Section “Theoretical model” to frame the continuum model in the context of the field of active nematics. While our model and results have commonalities with previous work, there are also important differences. We have highlighted the novelty of the present work along with the relation with previous studies and theoretical models in the last paragraph of the introduction and the first two paragraphs of Section “Theoretical model”. Furthermore, as suggested by the referee, we have made an effort to connect our results with previous work by Kumar, Mietke, Doostmohammadi and others.

      Regarding the last point alluded by the referee (“extensile nematics, \kappa<0 here, draw in material laterally of the nematic axis and expel it along the nematic axis”), the picture raised by the referee would be nuanced for our compressible system as compared to the incompressible systems discussed in that reference. As we have elaborated in our response to point (D) of Referee #1, our systems are overall contractile (with positive active tension in all directions), but the deviatoric component of the active tension can be either extensile or contractile. In our “extensile” models (left in Fig. 2c), material is drawn to laterally to the nematic axis but it is not expelled along this axis. Instead, it is “expelled” by turnover. In the revised manuscript, we have added a comment about this.

      The results of numerical simulations are well-presented. Large parts of the discussion of numerical observations - specifically around Fig. 3 - are qualitative and it is not clear why the analysis is restricted to \kappa<0. Some of the observations resonate with recent discussions in the field, for example the observation of effectively extensile dynamics in a contractile system is interesting and reminiscent of ambiguities about extensile/contractile properties discussed in recent preprints (https://arxiv.org/abs/2309.04224). It is convincingly concluded that, besides nematic stress on top of isotropic one, active self-alignment is a key ingredient to produce the observed patterns.

      We thank the referee for these comments. We are reluctant to extend the detailed analysis of emergent architectures and dynamics to the case \kappa > 0 as it leads to architectures not observed, to our knowledge, in actin networks. In the revised manuscript, we have expanded and clarified the characterization of emergent contractile/extensile networks by reporting the relative magnitude of stress along and perpendicular to the nematic direction. Our revised manuscript clearly shows that even though all of our simulations describe locally contractile systems with extensile anisotropic active tension, the emergent meso-structures can be either extensile or contractile, with the extensile ones exhibiting the usual bend-type instability (a secondary instability in our system) described classically for extensile active nematic systems. We have rewritten the text discussing this (lines 280 to 303), where we have placed these results in the context of recent work reporting the nontrivial relation between the contractility/extensibility of the local units vs the nematic pattern.

      I compliment the authors for trying to gain further mechanistic insights into this conclusion with microscopic filament simulations that are diligently performed. It is rightfully stated that these simulations only provide plausibility tests and, within this scope, I would say the authors are successful. At the same time, it leaves open questions that could have been discussed more carefully. For example, I wonder what can be said about the regime \kappa>0 (which is dropped ad-hoc from Fig. 3 onward) microscopically, in which the continuum theory does also predict the formation of stripe patterns - besides the short comment at the very end? How does the spatial inhomogeneous organization the continuum theory predicts fit in the presented, microscopic picture and vice versa?

      We thank the referee for this compliment. We think that the point raised by the referee is very interesting. It is reasonable to expect that the sign of \kappa may not be a constant but rather depend on S and \rho. Indeed, for a sparse network with low order, the progressive bundling by crosslinkers acting on nearby filaments is likely to produce a large active stress perpendicular to the nematic direction, whereas in a dense and highly ordered region, myosin motors are more likely to effectively contract along the nematic direction whereas there is little room for additional lateral contraction by additional bundling. As discussed in our response to referee #1, we believe that studying the formation of patterns using the discrete network simulations is far beyond the scope of our work. We discuss in lines 332 to 341, as well as in the last paragraph of the conclusions, the scope and limitations of our discrete network simulations.

      Overall, the paper represents a valuable contribution to the field of active matter and, if strengthened further, might provide a fruitful basis to develop new hypothesis about the dynamic self-organisation of dense filamentous bundles in biological systems.

      Reviewer #3 (Recommendations For The Authors):

      • The statement "the porous actin cytoskeleton is not a nematic liquid-crystal because it can adopt extended isotropic/low-order phases" is difficult to understand and should be clarified, as the next paragraph starts formulating a nematic active liquid crystal theory. Do the authors mean a crystal that "Tends to be in a disordered phase?", according to its equilibrium properties? It would still be a "nematic liquid crystal", only its ground state is not a nematic phase.

      We agree with the referee, and we hope that changes in the introduction and in Section “Theoretical model” address this comment.

      • I could not find what Frank energy is precisely used, that would be helpful information.

      In the revised manuscript, we have provided the expression for the nematic free energy in Eq. 3.

      • The Significance of green/purple arrows in Fig 2a sketch unclear, green arrows also in b,c, do they represent the same quantity? From the simulations images it is overall it is very difficult to see how the flows are oriented near the high-density regions (i.e. if they are towards / away from the strip).

      We thank the referee for bringing this up. The colorcodings of the sketches were confusing. The modified figures (Fig. 1(c) and Fig. 2(a)) present now a clearer and unified representation of anisotropic tension. The green arrows in Fig. 2(c) represent the out-of-equilibrium flows in the steady state. We agree that the zoom is insufficient to resolve the flow structure. For this reason, in the revised Fig. 2, we have added additional panels showing the flow with higher resolution.

      • It is currently unclear how the linear stability results - beyond identification of the parameter \delta - inform any of the remaining manuscript. Quantitative comparisons of the various length scales seen in simulated patterns (e.g. Fig. 2b, 3c etc) with linear predictions and known characteristic length scales would be instructive mechanistically, would make the overall presentation more compelling and probes limitations of linear results.

      In the revised manuscript, we have provided further information so that the readers can appreciate the predictions and limitations of the linear stability results. We have added a sentence and a Figure to show that, in addition to the critical activity, the linear theory provides a good prediction of the wavelengh of the pattern. See lines 199 to 201.

      • It is not clear what is meant by "[bundle-formation] requires that active tension perpendicular to nematic orientation is larger than along this direction", and therefore also not why that would be "counter-intuitive". If interpreted naively, I would say that a large tension brings in more filaments into the bundle, so that may well be an obviously helpful feature for bundle formation and maintenance. In any case, it would be helpful if clarity is improved throughout when arguments about "directions of tensions" are made.

      We have significantly rewritten the first paragraphs of section “Microscopic origin…” to clarify this point (lines 330 to 339). This paragraph, along with other changes in the manuscript such as the explanation of Eq. 7 or the discussion about the stress anisotropy in the new version of Fig. 4 (see lines 280 to 303), provide a better explanation of this important point.

      • All density color bars: Shouldn't they rather be labelled \rho/\rho_0?

      Yes! We have corrected this typo.

      • Scalar product missing in caption definition of order parameter Fig. 2

      We have corrected this typo.

      • Fig. 3a: I suggest to put the expression for q0 in the caption

      We have changed q_0 by S_0 and clarified its meaning in the caption of what now is Fig 4.

      • Paragraph on bottom right of page 6 should several times probably refer to Fig. 3c(...), instead of Fig. 3b

      We have corrected this typo.

    1. I found this page 6 years ago because I did a search for the phrase "metaphysics of adjacency" as the meaning/intent-full hash/name for what I've been out-tuiting towards at the time. That one post was the only one web page out of petazillions that had this three word combination on it I would call it today metanexialitic intenional tacit awareness

      From the ones adjacents its the ones that are portals to the longest trails well worth blazing and expolring

      all driven from future orientated awareness of possibilities

      or even impossibiities that desrve to be rendered inevitable and present

      How ridiculous LLMs look from this perspective?

      not to mention bogus notions like the manyverse?

      all its apparent plausibikity is lost if we consider new trails spanninn to the future starting at every moment

      https://via.hypothes.is/https://hyperpost.peergos.me/%F0%9F%8E%AD/gyuri/do/web/snarf/%F0%9F%93%85/2025/10/2/Metaphysics.of.Adjacency.html

    1. Reviewer #3 (Public review):

      Summary:

      Using latest knock-in technology, the authors generated a set of five mouse lines with expression of recombinases in striatal projection neurons and dopaminergic neurons for public use. They rigorously characterize the expression of the recombinases by intersectional crossing with reporter lines to demonstrate that these lines are faithful, and they perform electrophysiological experiments in slices to provide evidence that the respective neurons show the expected features in these assays.

      Strengths:

      The characterization of the new mouse lines is exceptional, and these will be widely used by the community. The mouse lines are openly available for the community to use.

      Weaknesses:

      No weaknesses were identified by this Reviewer.

    2. Author response:

      We thank all three reviewers for their thoughtful and constructive evaluations of our manuscript, “Generation of knock-in Cre and FlpO mouse lines for precise targeting of striatal projection neurons and dopaminergic neurons.” We are encouraged that the reviewers recognize the value, specificity, and utility of these new lines for the basal ganglia and dopamine research communities. Below, we summarize our planned revisions and clarifications in response to the reviewers’ comments.

      (1) Novelty and comparison with existing lines

      We appreciate Reviewer 1’s point regarding the existence of previously generated Cre and Flp lines targeting similar neuronal populations. Our project was initiated six years ago, and during the course of generating and characterizing all five lines, we became aware that similar individual lines have since been developed by other groups. Nevertheless, our study provides a coordinated and independently validated set of lines created using a standardized knock-in (KI) strategy and distributed through Jackson Laboratories for unrestricted community use. Importantly, whereas previous BAC transgenic approaches rely on random insertion, which can lead to position effects and ectopic expression, our design places the recombinase coding sequence immediately downstream of the endogenous stop codon using a self-cleaving T2A peptide. This ensures expression under native promoter and regulatory control, preserving physiological gene regulation.

      To address the Reviewers’ points, we will (i) expand the Introduction and Discussion to clarify the rationale and advantages of endogenous promoter–driven recombinase expression over BAC-based systems, emphasizing that our lines provide a uniform, promoter-controlled, and publicly accessible toolkit for the community, (ii) and explore including a comparative table summarizing differences in construct design, expression fidelity, and recombination efficiency across published lines (e.g., PMID 33979604, 38965445).

      (2) Quantification, validation, and comparison of Cre vs FlpO

      We agree with Reviewers 1 and 2 that further quantification and discussion of Cre versus FlpO fidelity will strengthen the manuscript. The observed difference in expression breadth between Cre and FlpO lines likely reflects a fundamental property of the recombinases themselves rather than a discrepancy in targeting. Cre recombinase is significantly more enzymatically efficient than FlpO, meaning that even very low endogenous levels of gene expression (e.g., Drd1a or Adora2a) can drive Cre-dependent recombination, whereas FlpO requires higher expression thresholds. Consequently, reporter-based readouts will inherently appear broader for Cre lines, despite both being driven by the same endogenous promoters.

      To address these points, we will (i) provide quantitative co-labeling analyses for the DAT-FlpO line with TH immunostaining to assess efficiency and specificity, (ii) clarify in the Results and Discussion that differences between Cre and FlpO expression patterns largely stem from differences in recombinase kinetics and sensitivity, not mismatched promoter activity, (iii) and include representative high-resolution images and relevant statistics in the revised figures. Importantly, we would like to note that RNAscope may not be an ideal validation approach in this context, as in situ transcript detection cannot capture the enzymatic threshold differences that determine reporter recombination and thus will not help address observed differences between Cre and FlpO lines. Finally, we are actively performing electrophysiological comparisons between Cre and FlpO lines to rigorously quantify potential physiological differences between them. Updated analyses will be incorporated as available or described as ongoing future work.

      (3) Discussion of scope and interpretation

      We appreciate the reviewers’ suggestions to better contextualize the scope of this resource. We will revise the Discussion to (i) highlight that the Cre–FlpO pairings enable powerful intersectional and cross-line strategies for dissecting basal ganglia and midbrain circuitry, (ii) and clarify that our goal was to generate a rigorously validated foundational resource, with detailed functional comparisons and manipulation studies to be explored in subsequent work.

      In summary, we thank the reviewers for their insightful feedback. The planned revisions and clarifications will underscore the unique strengths of our knock-in design, explore potential Cre–FlpO differences, and highlight the value of this standardized and accessible toolkit for the neuroscience community.

    1. Reviewer #3 (Public review):

      Summary:

      In this paper, Kumar et al investigated the role of two decapping activators, Edc3 and Scd6, in regulating mRNA decay and translation in yeast. Using a variety of approaches including RNA-seq, ribosome profiling, proteomics, polysome analysis, and metabolomics the authors demonstrate that whereas single deletions of Edc3 or Scd6 have modest effects, the double mutant leads to increased abundance of mRNAs, many of which overlap with those targeted by the decapping activators Dhh1 and Pat1. The data suggest that Edc3 and Scd6 function redundantly to recruit Dhh1 to the Dcp2 decapping complex, thereby promoting mRNA turnover and translational repression. The authors show that these factors cooperate with Dhh1/Pat1 to repress transcripts involved in respiration, mitochondrial function, and alternative carbon source utilization, linking post-transcriptional regulation to nutrient responses. The study establishes Edc3 and Scd6 as important, but redundant regulators that fine-tune gene expression and metabolic adaptation in response to nutrient availability.

      Strengths:

      The paper has several strengths, including the comprehensive approach taken by the authors using multiple experimental techniques (RNA-seq, ribosome profiling, Western blotting, TMT-MS, polysome profiling, and metabolomics) to provide multiple lines of evidence to support their conclusions. The authors demonstrate clear redundancy of the factors by using single and double mutants for Edc3 and Scd6 and their global approach enables an understanding of these factors' roles across the yeast transcriptome. The work connects post-transcriptional processes to nutrient-dependent gene regulation, providing insights into how cells adapt to changes in their environment. The authors demonstrate the redundant roles of Edc3 and Scd6 in mRNA decapping and translation repression. Their RNA-seq and ribosome profiling results convincingly show that many mRNAs are derepressed only in the double mutants, confirming their hypothesis of redundancy. Furthermore, the functional cooperation between Edc3/Scd6 and Dhh1/Pat1 in regulating specific metabolic pathways, including mitochondrial function and carbon source utilization, is supported by the metabolomic data.

      Weaknesses:

      The study uses indirect evidence to support claims about the effect on mRNA stability rather than directly measuring mRNA stability. However, the combination of Pol II occupancy and RNA abundance measurements is consistent with the claims regarding mRNA stability. The addition of new experiments in the revision co-IPing Dhh1 and Dcp2 strengthens the argument that Edc3 and Scd6 recruit these factors.

    2. Author response:

      The following is the authors’ response to the original reviews.

      Reviewer #1 (Public review): 

      Strengths: 

      Overall, this manuscript is well-written and contains a large amount of high-quality data and analyses. At its core, it helps to shed light on the overlapping roles of Edc3 and Scd6 in sculpting the yeast transcriptome. 

      Weaknesses: 

      (1) While the data presented makes conclusions about mRNA stability based on corresponding ChIP-Seq analyses and analyzing other mutants (e.g. Dcp2 knockout), at no point is mRNA stability actually ever directly assessed. This direct assessment, even for select transcripts, would further strengthen their conclusions. 

      We appreciate the reviewer’s concern but wish to emphasize that we conducted ChIP-Seq analysis of RNA Polymerase II occupancies in the CDSs of all genes, known to be a reliable indicator of transcription rate, and found only small increases in Pol II occupancies that cannot account for the increased transcript levels of the cohort of mRNAs up-regulated in the scd∆6edc3∆ double mutant (Fig. 3E). This provides strong evidence that increased transcription is not the main driver of increased mRNA abundance in this mutant.  Bolstering this conclusion, we showed that the Hap2/Hap3/Hap4/Hap5 complex of transcription factors responsible for induction of Ox. Phos. genes was not activated in scd6Δedc3Δ cells in glucose medium (Fig. 6F(ii)); nor was the Adr1 activator of CCR genes activated (Fig. S9C(i)), ruling out transcriptional induction of their target genes in glucose-replete scd6Δ/edc3Δ cells and instead favoring reduced degradation as the mechanism underlying derepression of Ox. Phos. and CCR gene transcripts in this mutant. In Fig. 3B, we further showed that the majority of mRNAs up-regulated in the scd6Δedc3Δ double mutant are also derepressed by dcp2Δ, and in Fig. 3D that the mRNAs up-regulated in scd∆6edc3∆ cells exhibit a higher than average codon protection index (CPI) indicating a heightened involvement of decapping and co-translational degradation by Xrn1 in their decay. To provide additional support for our conclusion, we have conducted new experiments to measure the abundance of capped mRNAs genome-wide by CAGE sequencing of total mRNA in both WT and scd∆6edc3∆ cells.  As established previously, normalizing CAGE TPMs to total mRNA TPMs determined by RNA-Seq, dubbed the C/T ratio, provides a reliable measure of the capped proportion of each transcript.  The new data presented in Fig. 3C indicate that the mRNAs up-regulated in the scd∆6edc3∆ mutant have significantly lower than average C/T ratios in WT cells, whereas the C/T ratios for the down-regulated transcripts are higher than average, and that these differences between the two groups and all expressed mRNAs are diminished in the scd∆6edc3∆ double mutant. These are the results expected if the up-regulated mRNAs are selectively targeted for decapping in WT cells dependent on Edc3/Scd6, whereas the downregulated mRNAs are targeted by Edc3/Scd6 less than the average transcript. In the original version of the paper, we came to the same conclusion by analyzing our previous CAGE data for the dhh1∆ mutant for the same transcripts dysregulated scd∆6edc3∆ cells, now presented as supportive data in Fig. S3F. Finally, we added the fact that among all four Dhh1 target mRNAs examined in the previous study of He et al. (2022) and found here to be up-regulated selectively in the scd6∆edc3∆ double mutant (Fig. S10), two of them (SDS23 and HXT6) were shown directly to have longer half-lives in dhh1∆ vs. WT cells by He et al. (2018). Hence, the combined evidence is compelling that selective up-regulation of particular mRNAs in the scd∆6edc3∆ mutant results from diminished decapping/decay rather than enhanced transcription; and we feel that the additional supporting evidence that would be provided by measuring half-lives of a small group of up-regulated transcripts would not justify the considerable effort required to do so.  Moreover, the standard approach for such experiments of impairing transcription with an inhibitor of Pol II or a Pol II Ts<sup>-</sup> mutation has been criticized because of the known buffering (suppression) of mRNA decay rates in response to impaired transcription.

      (2) Scd6 and Edc3 show a high level of functional redundancy, as demonstrated by the double mutant. As these proteins form complexes with other decapping factors/activators, I'm curious if depleting both proteins in the double mutant destabilizes any of these other factors. Have the authors ever assessed the levels of other key decapping factors in the double mutants (i.e. Dhh1, Pat1, Dcp2...etc)? I wonder if depleting both proteins leads to a general destabilization of key complexes. It would also be interesting to see if depleting Edc3 or Scd6 leads to a concomitant increase in the other protein as a compensatory mechanism. 

      We thank the reviewer for this insight.  Examining our Ribo-Seq and TMT-MS data revealed that Dhh1 expression and steady-state abundance are increased ~2-fold in the scd6∆edc3∆ strain, indicating that the up-regulation of many of the same mRNAs by scd6∆edc3∆ and dhh1∆ does not result indirectly from reduced levels of Dhh1 in the scd6∆edc3∆ mutant. The predicted increased in Dhh1 expression might signify a compensatory response to the absence of Scd6/Edc3.  We also observed an ~40% reduction in Dcp2 translation (RPFs) and mRNA abundance in the scd6∆edc3∆ strain, which might contribute to the up-regulation of mRNAs dysregulated in this mutant. However, our new immunoblot analyses revealed no significant reduction in steady-state Dcp2 levels in scd6∆edc3∆ cells (Input lanes in Figs. 3F and S4C(i)-(ii)). Moreover, our previous finding that the majority of mRNAs subject to NMD, up-regulated by both upf1∆ and dcp2∆, are not upregulated by scd6∆edc3∆ implies that Dcp2 abundance in scd6∆edc3∆ cells is adequate for normal levels of NMD and favors a direct role for Scd6/Edc3 in accelerating degradation of most transcripts up-regulated in this mutant. We have added these points to the DISCUSSION.

      (3) While not essential, it would be interesting if the authors carried out add-back experiments to determine which domain within Scd6/Edce3 plays a critical role in enforcing the regulation that they see. Their double mutant now puts them in a perfect position to carry out such experiments. 

      We agree with the reviewer that our scd6∆edc3∆ strain provides an opportunity to dissect the Scd6 and Edc3 proteins to determine which domains and motifs of each protein are most critically required for their functions in activating mRNA decay. However, if conducted thoroughly, this would entail an extensive analysis requiring a combination of genetics, biochemistry and genomics.  Considering the large amount of data already presented in 43 and 34 panels of main and supplementary figures, respectively, we feel that these additional experiments would be conducted more appropriately as a stand-alone follow-up study.

      Reviewer #2 (Public review): 

      Weaknesses: 

      The authors show very nicely in Figure S1A that growth phenotypes from scd6Δedc3∆ can be rescued by transformation of EDC3 (pLfz614-7) or SCD6 (pLfz615-5). The manuscript might benefit from using these rescue strategies in the analysis performed (e.g. RNA-seq, ribosome occupancies, and translational efficiencies). Also, these rescue assays could provide a good platform to further characterise the protein-protein interactions between Edc3, Scd6, and Dhh1. 

      We responded to this point immediately above in responding to Rev. #1.

      Reviewer #3 (Public review): 

      Weaknesses: 

      The limitations of the study include the use of indirect evidence to support claims that Edc3 and Scd6 recruit Dhh1 to the Dcp2 complex, which is inferred from correlations in mRNA abundance and ribosome profiling data rather than direct biochemical evidence. 

      While the reviewer makes a valid point, it is important to note that the greater correlations between effects of scd6∆edc3∆ with those conferred by dhh1∆ vs. pat1∆ also extended to changes in metabolites (Fig. 7A-C). To provide more direct evidence that Edc3 and Scd6 recruit Dhh1 to the Dcp2 complex, we have now conducted co-immunoprecipitation experiments (presented in new Figs. 3F and S5) demonstrating that association of Dhh1 with Dcp2 is diminished in the scd6∆edc3∆ double mutant but not in either scd6∆ or edc3∆ single mutant, thus providing biochemical support for our proposal.

      Also, there is limited exploration of other signals as the study is focused on glucose availability, and it is unclear whether the findings would apply broadly across different environmental stresses or metabolic pathways. Nonetheless, the study provides new insights into how mRNA decapping and degradation are tightly linked to metabolic regulation and nutrient responses in yeast. The RNA-seq and ribosome profiling datasets are valuable resources for the scientific community, providing quantitative information on the role of decapping activators in mRNA stability and translation control. 

      While not disputing the facts of this comment, we think it is unjustified to label as a weakness that our study focused on glucose-grown cells considering the large amount of new data and insights made possible by our multi-omics approach, presented in >70 separate figure panels and nine supplementary datafiles, which the reviewer has characterized as being valuable to the scientific community.  Parallel studies in non-preferred carbon or nitrogen sources are underway and represent large-scale investigations in their own right, for which the current dataset in glucose-replete cells provides the critical reference condition.

      Reviewer #1 (Recommendations for the authors): 

      The authors made a note that a set of 37 mRNAs is repressed exclusively by Edc3 with little contribution by Scd6, a list that includes the RPS28B mRNA. Edc3 has been previously reported to promote the decay of this mRNA in a deadenylation-independent fashion by binding to an element in its 3'UTR (PMIDs 15225544, 24492965). Can the authors comment on whether Edc3 may be binding to similar elements in the 3'UTRs of these transcripts in their shortlist? This could be an interesting topic matter for discussion as well. 

      While an interesting idea, this seems unlikely because the 3’UTR sequence in RPS28B mRNA was shown to bind Rps28 protein itself to confer heightened decapping and decay dependent on Edc3 in a negative autoregulatory loop that exerts tight control over Rps28 protein levels.  It would be surprising if Edc3mediated repression of the other 36 mRNAs would involve Rps28 as none of them encode cytoplasmic ribosomal proteins. Nevertheless, we searched for a conserved motif among the 3’UTRs of the 37 mRNAs using the MEME suite and found enrichment for motifs identified for RNA binding proteins Hrp1 and Nab2 and two novel motifs, but none of these motifs could be recognized within in the Rps28 autoregulatory loop.  We have chosen not to comment on these findings in the revised manuscript to avoid lengthening it unnecessarily with inconclusive observations.

      Reviewer #2 (Recommendations for the authors): 

      The authors show very nicely in Figure S1A that growth phenotypes from scd6Δedc3∆ can be rescued by the transformation of EDC3 (pLfz614-7) or SCD6 (pLfz615-5). The manuscript might benefit from using these rescue strategies on the analysis performed (e.g. RNA-seq, ribosome occupancies, and translational efficiencies); or expressing truncated mutants of EDC3 (pLfz614-7) or SCD6 (pLfz615-5), to show that they can act as dominant negative competitors, either on the binding to Dhh1 and Dcp2. 

      We addressed this comment above in our response to this Reviewer.

      Reviewer #3 (Recommendations for the authors): 

      (1) Labels such as "mRNA_up_s6,e3" are not defined in figures or the text. I suggest clearer sample labeling throughout. 

      The labels had been defined at first mention in the RESULTS but are now indicated there more explicitly, as well as in the legend to Fig. 1.

      (2) In Figure 1D it is surprising that the mRNA profile has a peak in the 5' UTR. I would expect to see such a peak in ribosome footprinting data. Is it possible these are incorrectly labeled?

      The figure is correctly labeled. Generally, one does not expect to see RPFs in the 5’UTR region unless there is an efficiently translated uORF, which appears not to be the case for MDH2.

      In general, the information in this panel and C is inadequate. None of the numbers are clearly explained in the figure legend or in the figure. 

      We had cited the legend to Fig. S3C for details of all such gene browser images but have now inserted this information into the Fig. 1D legend, at the first occurrence of such data in the regular figures. 

      (3) Figures 1C and 1D are in the wrong order.

      Corrected.

      (4) Figure 2D is a very complicated Venn Diagram. I suggest using UpSet plots as an alternative to Venn diagrams to more clearly convey overlaps between sets.  

      We provided additional explanatory text in the Fig. 2D legend to facilitate understanding.

      (5) The use of the same color scheme to represent different sets in panels of the same figure is a source of confusion. E.g. the cyan in Figures 2A, 2D, and 2E indicates unrelated categories, but one would think they are related.

      The use of the same cyan color in these three figure panels actually does designate results for the same set of 591 mRNAs up-regulated in the three mutants.  The application of the color schemes is now mentioned explicitly in Figs. 1, 2, and S3.

      (6) Reporting of p-values = 0 in figures is not useful.

      Corrected.

      (7) The whole manuscript is extremely long which reduces the overall impact. For example, the introduction is six pages long. I suggest reducing redundant text and being more concise to enhance readability. 

      We tried to streamline the text wherever possible, in particular shortening the Introduction by two pages.

      (8) Many abbreviations are used throughout the text that are not introduced the first time they are used. 

      Corrected throughout.

      (9) The ERCC normalization is unclear. Were the spike-ins added before cell lysis to allow estimation of per-cell RNA counts or to the extracted RNA? If added to extracted RNA rather than cells it is not clear to me how the claim can be made regarding increased mRNA abundance in the mutants. 

      We thank the reviewer for this comment. As we explained in the Methods, 2.4 µl of 1:100 diluted ERCC RNA Spike-In Control Mix 1 was added to 1.2 µg of each total RNA sample prior to cDNA library preparation.  Because the majority of total mRNA is comprised of rRNA, this normalization yields the abundance of each mRNA relative to rRNA. Owing to repression of rESR mRNAs encoding ribosomal proteins and biogenesis factors in the scd6∆edc3∆ strain (Fig. S3D), the ribosome content per cell is expected to be reduced in this mutant vs. WT. We showed previously that the isogenic dcp2∆ mutant that elicits an ESR response of similar magnitude, showed a 30% reduction in bulk ribosomal subunits per cell compared to same WT strain examined here {Vijjamarri, 2023 #7866}.  Assuming a similar reduction in ribosome abundance in the scd6∆edc3∆ mutant, the changes in mRNA per cell conferred by the scd6∆edc3∆ mutation are expected to be 0.7-fold of the ERCCnormalized values given in Fig. 3E, yielding fold-changes of 2.00 and 0.62 for the mRNA_up and mRNA_dn, groups, respectively, which still differ substantially from the corresponding changes in normalized Rpb1 occupancies of 1.2 and 0.93, respectively.  We have added this new analysis to the text of RESULTS.

      (10) The use of the terms "up-regulated" and "derepressed" throughout is confusing. Both refer to observed increased abundance of mRNAs, but they imply different causes which are never clearly defined. 

      We changed all occurrences of “derepressed” to “up-regulated”.

    1. Reviewer #3 (Public review):

      Summary:

      By expressing protein in a strain that is unable to phosphorylate KdpFABC, the authors achieve structures of the active wildtype protein, capturing a new intermediate state, in which the terminal phosphoryl group of ATP has been transferred to a nearby Asp, and ADP remains covalently bound. The manuscript examines the coupling of potassium transport and ATP hydrolysis by a comprehensive set of mutants. The most interesting proposal revolves around the proposed binding site for K+ as it exits the channel near T75. Nearby mutations to charged residues cause interesting phenotypes, such as constitutive uncoupled ATPase activity, leading to a model in which lysine residues can occupy/compete with K+ for binding sites along the transport pathway.

      Strengths:

      The high resolution (2.1 Å) of the current structure is impressive, and allows many new densities in the potassium transport pathway to be resolved. The authors are judicious about assigning these as potassium ions or water molecules, and explain their structural interpretations clearly. In addition to the nice structural work, the mechanistic work is thorough. A series of thoughtful experiments involving ATP hydrolysis/transport coupling under various pH and potassium concentrations bolsters the structural interpretations and lends convincing support to the mechanistic proposal. The SSME experiments are generally rigorous.

      Weaknesses:

      The present SSME experiments do not support quantitative comparisons of different mutants, as in Figures 4D and 5E. Only qualitative inferences can be drawn among different mutant constructs.

    2. Author response:

      The following is the authors’ response to the original reviews.

      Reviewer #1 (Public review): 

      Summary: 

      This study on potassium ion transport by the protein complex KdpFABC from E. coli reveals a 2.1 Å cryo-EM structure of the nanodisc-embedded transporter under turnover conditions. The results confirm that K+ ions pass through a previously identified tunnel that connects the channel-like subunit with the P-type ATPase-type subunit. 

      Strengths: 

      The excellent resolution of the structure and the thorough analysis of mutants using ATPase and ion transport measurements help to strengthen new and previous interpretations. The evidence supporting the conclusions is solid, including biochemical assays and analysis of mutants. The work will be of interest to the membrane transporter and channel communities and to microbiologists interested in osmoregulation and potassium homeostasis. 

      Weaknesses: 

      There is insufficient credit and citation of previous work. 

      The manuscript has been thoroughly revised with special attention to acknowledging all past work relevant to the study.

      Reviewer #2 (Public review): 

      Summary: 

      The paper describes the high-resolution structure of KdpFABC, a bacterial pump regulating intracellular potassium concentrations. The pump consists of a subunit with an overall structure similar to that of a canonical potassium channel and a subunit with a structure similar to a canonical ATP-driven ion pump. The ions enter through the channel subunit and then traverse the subunit interface via a long channel that lies parallel to the membrane to enter the pump, followed by their release into the cytoplasm. 

      Strengths: 

      The work builds on the previous structural and mechanistic studies from the authors' and other labs. While the overall architecture and mechanism have already been established, a detailed understanding was lacking. The study provides a 2.1 Å resolution structure of the E1-P state of the transport cycle, which precedes the transition to the E2 state, assumed to be the ratelimiting step. It clearly shows a single K+ ion in the selectivity filter of the channel and in the canonical ion binding site in the pump, resolving how ions bind to these key regions of the transporter. It also resolves the details of water molecules filling the tunnel that connects the subunits, suggesting that K+ ions move through the tunnel transiently without occupying welldefined binding sites. The authors further propose how the ions are released into the cytoplasm in the E2 state. The authors support the structural findings through mutagenesis and measurements of ATPase activity and ion transport by surface-supported membrane (SSM) electrophysiology. 

      Weaknesses: 

      While the results are overall compelling, several aspects of the work raised questions. First, the authors determined the structure of the pump in nanodiscs under turnover conditions and observed several structural classes, including E1-P, which is detailed in the paper. Two other structural classes were identified, including one corresponding to E2. It is unclear why they are not described in the paper. Notably, the paper considers in some detail what might occur during the E1-P to E2 state transition, but does not describe the 3.1 Å resolution map for the E2 state that has already been obtained. Does the map support the proposed structural changes? 

      As was seen in previous work by Silberberg et at. (2022), imaging KdpFABC under turnover conditions can produce multiple enzymatic states. We focus on the E1~P state and associated biophysical analyses to provide a clear and concise story that is focused on the conduction pathway for K<sup>+</sup> ions. We continue to work with the cryo-EM data as well as other supporting methodologies and datasets with the goal of producing an additional manuscript that will describe other conformations. The class of particles producing the 3.1 Å structure shown in Fig. 1 – figure suppl. 2 is heterogeneous and thus requires further classification to elucidate conformational changes, as is apparent from the downstream processing of the E1 classes also shown in that figure. We cannot therefore derive any conclusions about the configuration of side chains at the CBS based on this structure. Nevertheless, two previous structures of the E2.Pi state - 7BGY and 7BH2 which were stabilized MgF<sub>4</sub> and BeF<sub>x</sub>, respectively – show the structural change that is described in the paragraph discussing D583A. Given the consistency and relatively high resolution (2.9 and 3.0 Å, respectively) of these two independent structures, we believe that they provide strong support for our proposal for Lys586 acting as a built-in counter ion.

      The paper relies on the quantitative activity comparisons between mutants measured using SSM electrophysiology. Such comparisons are notoriously tricky due to variability between SSM chips and reconstitution efficiencies. The authors should include raw traces for all experiments in the supplementary materials, explain how the replicates were performed, and describe the reproducibility of the results. Related to this point above, size exclusion chromatography profiles and reconstitution efficiencies for mutants should be shown to facilitate comparison between measured activities. For example, could it be that the inactive V496R mutant is misfolded and unstable? 

      Similarly, are the reduced activities of V496W and V496H (and many other mutants) due to changes in the tunnel or poor biochemical properties of these variants? Without these data, the validity of the ion transport measurements is difficult to assess. 

      To address this concern, we have generated a series of supplementary figures for Figs. 2, 4, 5, and 6, which show all of the raw traces underlying our SSME data (Figure 2 - figure supplements 2-4, Figure 4 - figure supplement 1,Figure 5 - figure supplement 3, Figure 6 - figure supplement 2). We have also included further detail about the experimental protocols, including number and type of replicates, in an expanded "Activity Assays" section of Methods.

      In addition, we have included SEC profiles for each of the V496 mutants, which show that they are all well behaved in detergent solution prior to reconstitution (Fig. 4 - figure supplement 1). We are not able to directly document reconstitution efficiencies as it is not practical to separate proteoliposomes from unincorporated protein prior to preparing the sensors used for SSME. Binding currents are seen for several of the inactive mutants (e.g., Q116R in Rb and NH<sub>4</sub> in Fig. 2 - figure supplement 3 and V496R in Fig. 4 - figure supplement 1), which demonstrate that protein is indeed present in the corresponding proteoliposomes even though no sustained transport current is observed.

      The authors propose that the tunnel connecting the subunits is filled with water and lacks potassium ions. This is an important mechanistic point that has been debated in the field. It would be interesting to calculate the volume of the tunnel and estimate the number of ions that might be expected in it, given their concentration in bulk. It may also be helpful to provide additional discussion on whether some of the observed densities correspond to bound ions with low occupancy.  

      As suggested, we calculated the internal volume of the tunnel within KdpA (from the S4 K<sup>+</sup> site to the KdpA/KdpB subunit interface) based on the profile derived from Caver. Based on this volume (4.9 x 10<sup>-25</sup> L), a single K<sup>+</sup> ion within this cavity would correspond to 3.4 M, which is near saturation for a solution of KCl. We added this information together with an acknowledgment of low-occupancy K<sup>+</sup> to the fourth paragraph of the Discussion:

      " Fourth, based on the volume of the cavity in KdpA, a single K<sup>+</sup> ion would correspond to a concentration of 3.4 M, suggesting that multiple ions would exceed the solubility limit especially in the absence of counterions. Finally, map densities within the tunnel were either of comparable strength or weaker than surrounding side chain atoms, unlike at S3 and canonical binding sites. Although it is possible that weaker density could represent low occupancy K<sup>+</sup> ions, we favor a mechanism whereby individual K<sup>+</sup> ions occupy the tunnel transiently as they transit between the selectivity filter and the canonical binding site."

      In order to make this analysis, we developed a python script to calculate the volume of the tunnel as defined by the Caver software (this software is available via github.com/dls4n/tunnel). In turn, this enabled us to distinguish water molecules that were actually in the tunnel rather than bound more deeply within the structure of KdpA. As a result, we updated the water distribution plot in Fig. 4b. Notably, the 17 water molecules within this cavity would correspond to 57.8 M, which is reasonably near the expected 55 M for an aqueous solution.

      Reviewer #3 (Public review): 

      Summary: 

      By expressing protein in a strain that is unable to phosphorylate KdpFABC, the authors achieve structures of the active wild-type protein, capturing a new intermediate state, in which the terminal phosphoryl group of ATP has been transferred to a nearby Asp, and ADP remains covalently bound. The manuscript examines the coupling of potassium transport and ATP hydrolysis by a comprehensive set of mutants. The most interesting proposal revolves around the proposed binding site for K+ as it exits the channel near T75. Nearby mutations to charged residues cause interesting phenotypes, such as constitutive uncoupled ATPase activity, leading to a model in which lysine residues can occupy/compete with K+ for binding sites along the transport pathway. 

      Strengths:  

      Although this structure is not so different from previous structures, its high resolution (2.1 Å) is impressive and allows the resolution of many new densities in the potassium transport pathway. The authors are judicious about assigning these as potassium ions or water molecules, and explain their structural interpretations clearly. In addition to the nice structural work, the mechanistic work is thorough. A series of thoughtful experiments involving ATP hydrolysis/transport coupling under various pH and potassium concentrations bolsters the structural interpretations and lends convincing support to the mechanistic proposal. 

      Weaknesses: 

      The structures are supported by solid membrane electrophysiology. These data exhibit some weaknesses, including a lack of information to assess the rigor and reproducibility (i.e., the number of replicates, the number of sensors used, controls to assess proteoliposome reconstitution efficiency, and the stability of proteoliposome absorption to the sensor). 

      To address this concern, we have generated a series of supplementary figures for Figs. 2, 4, 5, and 6, which show all of the raw traces underlying our SSME data (Figure 2 - figure supplements 2-4, Figure 4 - figure supplement 1,Figure 5 - figure supplement 3, Figure 6 - figure supplement 2). We have also included further detail about the experimental protocols, including number and type of replicates, in the "Activity Assays" section of Methods.

      Reviewing Editor Comments

      After discussing the evaluations, the Reviewers and Reviewing Editor have identified the following essential revisions that would need to be addressed to improve the eLife assessment:

      (1) Work from others in the field should be adequately described and acknowledged: 

      (a) Page 2: " A series of X-ray and cryo-EM structures of KdpFABC from E. coli have led to proposals of a novel transport mechanism befitting the unprecedented partnership of these two superfamilies within a single protein complex." 

      The authors must give credit where credit is due (namely, the Haenelt/Paulino groups having discovered the transport pathway). Why don't they cite Stock et al., where this pathway was described first? The Stokes group proposed an entirely different pathway initially. 

      Explicit reference to this work has been added to as follows:

      “A series of X-ray and cryo-EM structures of KdpFABC from E. coli (Huang et al., 2017; Silberberg et al., 2022, 2021; Stock et al., 2018; Sweet et al., 2021) indicate a novel transport mechanism befitting the unprecedented partnership of these two superfamilies within a single protein complex. As first proposed by Stock et al. (Stock et al., 2018), there is now a consensus that K<sup>+</sup> enters the complex from the extracellular side of the membrane through the selectivity filter of KdpA, but is blocked from crossing the membrane.”

      (b) Page 4 " As a result, many previous structures (Huang et al., 2017; Silberberg et al., 2021; Stock et al., 2018; Sweet et al., 2021) feature the S162A mutation to avoid inhibition rather than the fully WT protein used for the current work." 

      This is not correct. At least the work by Huang et al 2017 and Stock et al 2021 was done without the mutation. This is why the structures also captured the off-cycle state when no E2 inhibitor was used. But in Silberberg et al 2022 the mutant was used, but this is not mentioned 

      The Q116R mutant was used by Huang et al., but indeed not used for the Stock et al paper. We have replaced the sentence in the manuscript with the following:

      “Use of the KdpD knockout strain allowed us to produce WT and mutant protein free from Ser162 phosphorylation.”

      (c) Page 4: " In the paper, we report on the most highly populated state (44% of particles)". Exactly the same was also seen in detergent solution, which should be mentioned. 

      Reference to the Silberberg 2022 paper, where E1~P was the most highly populated state, has been added. The percentage of particles was removed as we are still processing data from the other states, which will we hope will be described in a future manuscript.

      (d) Page 7 "Asp583 and Lys586 are two conserved residues on M5 that have previously been shown......indicating that this particular mutation interfered with energy coupling."  The lack of discussion of the Haenelt/Paulino 2021 paper, where they have analyzed the coupling in detail and described a proximal binding site where K+ is coordinated by D583 and the neighbouring Phe is very concerning. 

      To correct this oversight, we made the following changes to the text: 

      On pg. 7 in the Results section, we refer to the 2005 paper from Bramkamp & Altendorf:

      “Consistent with earlier work on this mutant (Bramkamp and Altendorf, 2005), the D583A mutant displayed substantial ATPase activity (30% of WT) but no transport, indicating that this particular mutation interfered with energy coupling.”

      At the end of pg. 10 in the Discussion, we revised the paragraph discussing D583 and Lys586 to explicitly refer to the mechanism of transport described in the 2021 paper from Silberberg et al, including proximal and distal binding sites as well as uncoupling due to the D583A mutation.

      “Similar to the Glu370/Arg493 charge pair in KdpA, Asp583 and Lys586 are the only charged residues in the membrane core of KdpB. Although they are not seen to interact directly in our structure, they coordinate accessory waters associated with the canonical binding site. Previous molecular dynamics simulations (Silberberg et al., 2021) indicate that Asp583 couples with Phe232 to form a “proximal binding site” for K<sup>+</sup> ions. Based on these simulations, these authors proposed a mechanism whereby neutralization of this site either by ion binding or by D583A substitution served to stimulate ATPase activity. Indeed, earlier work on D583A (Bramkamp and Altendorf, 2005) as well as current data demonstrate uncoupling, in which K<sup>+</sup> independent ATPase activity was observed even though transport was abolished. A plausible explanation for this stimulation is seen in the behavior of Lys586 in previous structures of the E2·Pi state (7BGY and 7BH2) (Sweet et al., 2021). In these structures, M5 undergoes a conformational change that pushes the side chain of Lys586 into the CBS. As a consequence of the D583A mutation, this Lys could be freed to act as a built-in counter ion as in related P-type ATPases ZntA (Wang et al., 2014) and AHA2 (Pedersen et al., 2007). In regard to the proximal binding site and the partnering “distal binding site” on the KdpA-side of the subunit interface, our structure does not show densities at either site and thus does not provide any support for the related mechanism. In any case, in the WT complex it seems likely that Asp583 exerts allosteric control over Lys586 and ensures that its movement into the binding site is coordinated with the transition from E1~P to E2·Pi, thus leading to displacement of K<sup>+</sup> from the CBS and release to the cytoplasm. “

      (e) Page 8 " The intersubunit tunnel is arguably one of the most intriguing elements of the KdpFABC complex. Although it has been postulated to conduct K+, experimental evidence has been lacking. " 

      Incorrect, see Silberberg 2021. 

      On this point, we beg to differ. Although this 2021 paper shows densities in experimental cryo-EM maps and effects of mutations to residues at the KdpA and KdpB interface, the intra-tunnel transport mechanism is based on computational analysis (MD simulations) and not experimental evidence. We softened the statement to read as follows:

      “Although it has been postulated to conduct K<sup>+</sup>, direct experimental evidence has been hard to come by.”

      (f) In this context, also f232 is not mentioned anywhere in the text, although depicted in almost all figures. 

      Phe232 is shown as a point of reference for the KdpA/KdpB subunit interface. We added a reference to Phe232 in the Results section labeled “Intersubunit tunnel” as well as the paragraph in the Discussion addressed in point d) above.

      " These densities, which we have modeled as water, are most prevalent near the vestibule, which is the wider part of the tunnel, but then disappear completely at the subunit interface near Phe232, which is the narrowest part of the tunnel and also distinctly hydrophobic (Fig. 4)."

      " Previous molecular dynamics simulations (Silberberg et al., 2021) indicate that Asp583 couples with Phe232 to form a “proximal binding site” for K<sup>+</sup> ions."

      (g) Page 2 "Later, it was recognized that KdpA belongs to the Superfamily of K+ Transporters (SKT superfamily), which also includes bona fide K+ channels such as KcsA, TrkH and KtrB (Durell et al., 2000). " 

      KcsA is not a member of the SKT superfamily. 

      Thanks. This is correct, although the SKT superfamily is believed to have evolved from KcsA. KcsA has been removed from the sentence and a reference added to a review of the SKT superfamily:

      “which also includes bona fide K<sup>+</sup> channels such as TrkH and KtrB (Diskowski et al., 2015; Durell et al., 2000).”

      (2) Two other structural classes were identified, including one corresponding to E2. It is unclear why they are not described in the paper. Notably, the paper considers in some detail what might occur during the E1-P to E2 state transition, but does not describe the 3.1 Å resolution map for the E2 state that has already been obtained. Does the map support the proposed structural changes? 

      As was seen in previous work by Silberberg et at. (2022), imaging KdpFABC under turnover conditions can produce multiple enzymatic states. We focus on the E1~P state and associated biophysical analyses to provide a clear and concise story. We continue to work with the cryo-EM data as well as other supporting methodologies and datasets with the goal of producing an additional manuscript that will describe other conformations. The class of particles producing the 3.1 Å structure shown in Fig. 1 – figure suppl. 2 is heterogeneous and thus requires further classification to elucidate conformational changes, as is apparent from the downstream processing of the E1 classes also shown in that figure. We cannot therefore derive any conclusions about the configuration of side chains at the CBS based on this structure. Nevertheless, two previous structures of the E2.Pi state - 7BGY and 7BH2 which were stabilized MgF<sub>4</sub> and BeF<sub>x</sub>, respectively – show the structural change that is described in the paragraph discussing D583A. Given the consistency and relatively high resolution (2.9 and 3.0 Å, respectively) of these two independent structures, we believe that they provide strong support for our proposal for Lys586 acting as a built-in counter ion.

      (3) The paper relies on the quantitative activity comparisons between mutants measured using SSM electrophysiology. Such comparisons are notoriously tricky due to variability between SSM chips and reconstitution efficiencies. The authors should include raw traces for all experiments in the supplementary materials, explain how the replicates were performed, and describe the reproducibility of the results. 

      To address this concern, we have generated supplementary figures for Figs. 2, 4, 5, and 6, which show all of the raw traces underlying our SSME data (Figure 2 - figure supplements 2-4, Figure 4 - figure supplement 1,Figure 5 - figure supplement 3, Figure 6 - figure supplement 2). We have also added a detailed description of replicates, sensor stability and the experimental protocols in the "Activity Assays" section of Methods. In addition, we have highlighted observations of pre-steady state binding currents that were seen for some mutants (e.g., Q116R assayed with Rb<sup>+</sup>, NH<sub>4</sub><sup>+</sup> and Na<sup>+</sup>), in which an initial, transient current response was observed without an ensuing transport current. The depiction of this raw data has allowed us to explain our use of the current response at 1.25 s, after decay of this binding current, as a measure of transport rate. This approach is consistent with recommendations by the manufacturer, as documented in their 2023 publication (Bazzone et al. https://doi.org/10.3389/fphys.2023.1058583).

      (4) Related to this point above, size exclusion chromatography profiles and reconstitution efficiencies for mutants should be shown to facilitate comparison between measured activities. For example, could it be that the inactive V496R mutant is misfolded and unstable? Similarly, are the reduced activities of V496W and V496H (and many other mutants) due to changes in the tunnel or poor biochemical properties of these variants? Without these data, the validity of the ion transport measurements is difficult to assess. 

      We have included SEC profiles for each of the V496 mutants, which show that they are all well behaved in detergent solution prior to reconstitution (Fig. 4 - figure supplement 1). We are not able to directly document reconstitution efficiencies as it is not practical to separate proteoliposomes from unincorporated protein prior to preparing the sensors used for SSME. Binding currents are seen for several of the inactive mutants (e.g., Q116R in Rb and NH<sub>4</sub> in Fig. 2 - figure supplement 3 and V496R in Fig. 4 - figure supplement 1), which demonstrate that protein is indeed present in the corresponding proteoliposomes even though no sustained transport current is observed.

      (5) What are the different lines in Figure 1 - Supplement 1, panel G? 

      This panel depicted a series of SSME traces as an example of the raw data, but has been removed from the revised version given the inclusion of all the raw traces. These new figures include a legend explaining the conditions for each trace.

      (6) How was the 44 % population of the single-occupancy E1 state estimated (it does not correspond to the number of particles in Figure 1 - Supplement 2. 

      The calculation of 44% for the E1~P state was premature, given that we are still analyzing the data from the turnover conditions. The revised manuscript simply states that E1~P represented the largest population of particles, which is consistent with this state preceding the rate limiting step of the PostAlbers cycle. Reference is made to the Silberberg 2022 paper, which made a similar observation in a detergent-solubilized sample.

      (7) The text states that Km for Q116E is "<10 uM". However, the fitted value is 90 µM in Figure 2e. 

      This was a typographical error. The text now states that Km for Q116E is <100 M.

      (8) The Km values for Rb, NH4, and Na in Figures 2g and h, and Na in Figure 2i do not make sense. They should be removed. 

      The values for Km were determined by fitting the Michaelis-Menton equation to the data as detailed in the Methods section. Although the curves visually appear rather flat relative to other ions, the fitting generated respectable confidence limits and are therefore defensible in a statistical context. Furthermore, the curves that are shown are based on those values of Km and it would be inappropriate not to cite them.

      (9) Figure 3 would benefit from a slice through the protein to orient the viewer. 

      Thanks for the suggestion. We have added panels to Figs. 3, 5 and 6 in an effort to orient the reader to the site that is depicted.

      (10) The differences between R493E, Q, and M do not appear to be significant. 

      The y-axis is logarithmic which makes a visual comparison difficult. To alleviate this, P values were calculated based on one-way ANOVA analysis are results are indicated in Fig. 3c and 3d. They show that all of the Arg493 mutations have Km significantly higher than WT. Differences between R493E orR493Q and R493Q orR493M are not significant at the p<0.01 level, while the difference between R493E and R493M is highly significant (p<0.001).  The associated text on pg. 6 has been slightly modified as follows:

      “Changes to Arg493 generally increase Km (lower apparent affinity) without affecting Vmax, with Met substitution having greater effect than charge reversal (R493E).”

      (11) Page 5, paragraph 2. Q116R and G232D don't seem like the world's most intuitive mutations. It appears there is a historical reason for looking at these. Could the rationale be explained in the text? (Why R and D specifically?) 

      These mutations have historical significance, having been generated by random mutagenesis during early characterization of the Kdp system by Epstein and colleagues. A sentence containing relevant references has been added to this paragraph to provide this context:

      “Specifically, Q116R and G232D substitutions were initially discovered by random mutagenesis during early characterization of the Kdp system (Buurman et al., 1995; Epstein et al., 1978) and have featured in many follow-up studies (Dorus et al., 2001; Schrader et al., 2000; Silberberg et al., 2021; Sweet et al., 2020; van der Laan et al., 2002).”

      Below are the recommendations from each of the reviewers, some of which were not included as essential revisions, but that can also be helpful to further strengthen the manuscript. 

      Reviewer #1 (Recommendations for the authors): 

      It is essential that the authors correct their selective, incomplete, and in places inappropriate references to work from others in the field. 

      Specific points: 

      (1) Page 2: " A series of X-ray and cryo-EM structures of KdpFABC from E. coli have led to proposals of a novel transport mechanism befitting the unprecedented partnership of these two superfamilies within a single protein complex." 

      The authors must give credit where credit is due (namely, the Haenelt/Paulino groups having discovered the transport pathway). Why don't they cite Stock et al., where this pathway was described first? The Stokes group proposed an entirely different pathway initially. 

      (2) Page 4 " As a result, many previous structures (Huang et al., 2017; Silberberg et al., 2021; Stock et al., 2018; Sweet et al., 2021) feature the S162A mutation to avoid inhibition rather than the fully WT protein used for the current work." 

      This is not correct. At least the work by Huang et al 2017 and Stock et al 2021 was done without the mutation. This is why the structures also captured the off-cycle state when no E2 inhibitor was used. But in Silberberg et al 2022 the mutant was used, but this is not mentioned 

      (3) Page 4: " In the paper, we report on the most highly populated state (44% of particles)". Exactly the same was also seen in detergent solution, which should be mentioned. 

      (4) Page 7 "Asp583 and Lys586 are two conserved residues on M5 that have previously been shown......indicating that this particular mutation interfered with energy coupling."  The lack of discussion of the Haenelt/Paulino 2021 paper, where they have analyzed the coupling in detail and described a proximal binding site where K+ is coordinated by D583 and the neighbouring Phe is very concerning. 

      (5) Page 8 " The intersubunit tunnel is arguably one of the most intriguing elements of the KdpFABC complex. Although it has been postulated to conduct K+, experimental evidence has been lacking. " 

      Incorrect, see Silberberg 2021. 

      (6) In this context, also f232 is not mentioned anywhere in the text, although depicted in almost all figures. 

      References have been added to address all of these points. See item 1) under Reviewing Editor’s Comments above.

      Other points: 

      (7) Page 2 "Later, it was recognized that KdpA belongs to the Superfamily of K+ Transporters (SKT superfamily), which also includes bona fide K+ channels such as KcsA, TrkH and KtrB (Durell et al., 2000). " 

      KcsA is not a member of the SKT superfamily. 

      KcsA has been removed from the sentence and a reference added to a review of the SKT family:

      “which also includes bona fide K<sup>+</sup> channels such as TrkH and KtrB (Diskowski et al., 2015; Durell et al., 2000).”

      (8) Page 9 " Our demonstration of coupled transport of NH4+ and Rb+ G232D not only confirms that the selectivity filter governs ion selection, but that the pump subunit, KdpB, is relatively promiscuous."  Check grammar. 

      This sentence has been updated as follows:

      “Our observation that G232D is capable of coupled transport for NH<sub>4</sub><sup>+</sup and Rb<sup>+</sup> confirms not only that the selectivity filter governs ion selection, but that the pump subunit, KdpB, is relatively promiscuous.

      Reviewer #2 (Recommendations for the authors): 

      (1) From an editorial point of view, I suggest a few changes to enhance readability and clarity for non-specialists. A description of the overall transport cycle at the start of the paper (perhaps as a supplementary figure) could help put the work into perspective for general readers who may not be familiar with P-type ATPase mechanisms. It is unclear what "single" and "double" occupancy refer to in the structural classes description. Why is only one structural class described in detail? I would suggest moving the discussion of what is going on with the Nterminus of KdpB to the Results section, where it is described, and shortening the corresponding paragraph in the Discussion. I would furthermore suggest adding a figure that illustrates the proposed regulatory role of the terminus and how phosphorylation might affect it. Otherwise, this section of the results reads very hollow. 

      A diagram showing the Post-Albers cycle is shown as part of Fig. 1 and is described at the end of the second paragraph. This sentence only mentioned KdpB, which may have caused confusion. We therefore changed the sentence to read as follows:

      “Like other P-type ATPases, KdpFABC employs the Post-Albers reaction cycle (Fig. 1) involving two main conformations (E1 and E2) and their phosphorylated states (E1~P and E2-P) to drive transport (Albers, 1967; Post et al., 1969).”

      Single and double occupancy was meant to refer to the number of KdpFABC complexes residing in a nanodisc. This can be seen in the class averages in Fig. 1 - figure supplement 2. The legends to Fig. 1 figure supplements 1 and 2 have been revised to explain this observation more explicitly:

      "Slight asymmetry of the main peak is consistent with a subpopulation of nanodiscs containing two KdpFABC complexes (Fig. 1 - figure supplement 2)."

      and

      "A subset of these particles were further classified to generate four main classes representing nanodiscs with a single copy of KdpFABC in either E1 or E2 conformations, nanodiscs with two copies of KdpFABC which were mainly E1 conformation, and junk."

      As stated above, the class of particles producing the 3.1 Å structure shown in Fig. 1 – figure suppl. 2 is heterogeneous and requires further classification to elucidate conformational changes, as is apparent from the downstream processing of the E1 classes also shown in that figure. We continue to analyze the cryo-EM data and aim to produce a second manuscript that will include descriptions of other conformations together with the additional biophysical analysis related to their function.

      With regard to the N-terminus, we have gone on to generate a truncation of residues 2-9 in KdpB. After expression and purification, this construct remained coupled with ATPase and transport activities similar to WT, which makes proposals of a regulatory effect less compelling. Because of the novelty of observing the N-terminus and the possibility that it plays a subtle role in the kinetics of the cycle not revealed under the current assay conditions, we have retained a brief discussion of this structural observation, but moved it into the Results section as suggested.

      "Given the regulatory roles played by N- and C-termini of a variety of other P-type ATPases (Bitter et al., 2022; Cali et al., 2017; Lev et al., 2023; Timcenko et al., 2019; Zhao et al., 2021), we generated a construct in which residues 2-9 of the N-terminus of KdpB were truncated. However, ATPase and transport activities remained coupled at levels similar to WT, indicating that any functional role of the N-terminus is relatively subtle and not manifested under current assay conditions."

      (2) The wording "exceedingly strong densities" seems ambiguous. 

      We have changed this to “strong” in the Abstract and "exceptionally strong" in the Discussion. The precise values for these densities are shown in density histograms in Fig. 2 – figure supplement 1 and Fig. 5 – figure supplement 2. In the text, the densities are described as follows:

      Results sections describing the selectivity filter:

      "In fact, this S3 site contains the strongest densities in the entire map, measuring 7.9x higher than the threshold used for Fig. 2a (Fig. 2 – figure suppl. 1a)."

      Results section describing the CBS:

      "Given that this is the strongest density in KdpB, measuring 5.6x higher than the map densities shown in Fig. 5 (Fig. 5 – figure suppl 2b), we have modeled it as K<sup>+</sup>."

      (3) What are the different lines in Figure 1 - Supplement 1, panel G? 

      This panel depicted a series of SSME traces as an example of the raw data, but has been removed from the revised version given the inclusion of all the raw traces. These new figures include a legend explaining the conditions for each trace.

      (4) How was the 44 % population of the single-occupancy E1 state estimated (it does not correspond to the number of particles in Figure 1 - Supplement 2. 

      The calculation of 44% for the E1~P state was premature, given that we are still analyzing the data from the turnover conditions. We will consider citing an updated value in a future publication once this analysis is complete. The revised manuscript simply states that E1~P represented the largest population of particles, which is consistent with this state preceding the rate limiting step of the Post-Albers cycle. Reference was made to the Silberberg 2022 paper, where a similar observation was made.

      (5) Panel 1d is called out of order after panel 1e. Please label Ser 162 in the panel. 

      The order of these panels have been switched and Ser162 has been labelled as suggested.

      (6) Several panels in Figure 1- Supplement 1 are neither referenced nor described. 

      This figure supplement is referred to multiple times in the Results and the Methods sections of the text as well as in the figure legends. Although each panel is not individually referenced, all of this information is relevant at different points in the manuscript and is explained in the legend.

      (7) Is the coordinating geometry for the S3 site consistent with what was previously observed for KcsA and relatives? 

      The general arrangement of carbonyl atoms in the S3 site is the same in KcsA and KdpA, described by the MacKinnon group as a square antiprism. However, KcsA has strict four-fold symmetry and KdpA does not. As a result, there are small discrepancies between the coordinating geometries in the two structures. This point was made graphically in our original report on the X-ray structure of KdpFABC (Huang et al. 2007, Extended Data Fig. 3), though the positions of the carbonyls are more accurately determined in the current structure due to increased resolution. We added a sentence to the Selectivity Filter section of the Results stating the following:

      "This coordination geometry is also consistent with that seen in the K<sup>+</sup> channel KcsA, though the strict four-fold symmetry of that homo-tetramer produces a more regular structure, as indicated by the smaller variance in liganding distance (2.77 Å with s.d. 0.075 Å in 1K4C) and as depicted by Huang et al. in Extended Data Fig. 3 (Huang et al., 2017)."

      (8) Label G232D in Figure 2a. 

      G232 is out of the plane shown in Fig. 2a. However, we have added a label for Cys344 to help identify the selectivity filter strands that are shown. Note, however, that G232 is visible and labeled in Fig. 2 - figure suppl. 1. This has now been noted in the legend for Fig. 2.

      (9) The text states that Km for Q116E is "<10 uM". However, the fitted value is 90 uµ in Figure 2e. 

      This was a typographical error. The text now states that Km for Q116E is <100 M.

      (10) The Km values for Rb, NH4, and Na in Figures 2g and h, and Na in Figure 2i do not make sense. They should be removed. 

      The values for Km were determined by fitting the Michaelis-Menton equation to the data as detailed in the Methods section. Although the curves visually appear rather flat relative to other ions, the fitting generated respectable confidence limits and are therefore defensible in a statistical context. Furthermore, the curves that are shown are based on those values of Km and it would be inappropriate not to cite them.

      (11) Figure 3 would benefit from a slice through the protein to orient the viewer. 

      Thank you for the suggestion. We have added panels to Figs. 3, 5 and 6 in an effort to orient the reader to the site that is depicted.

      (12) The differences between R493E, Q, and M do not appear to be significant. 

      The y-axis is logarithmic which makes a visual comparison difficult. To alleviate this, P values were calculated based on one-way ANOVA analysis are results are indicated in Fig. 3c and 3d. They show that all of the Arg493 mutations have Km significantly higher than WT. Differences between R493E orR493Q and R493Q orR493M are not significant at the p<0.01 level, while the difference between R493E and R493M is highly significant (p<0.001).  The associated text on pg. 6 has been slightly modified as follows:

      “Changes to Arg493 generally increase Km (lower apparent affinity) without affecting Vmax, with Met substitution having greater effect than charge reversal (R493E).”

      Reviewer #3 (Recommendations for the authors): 

      Overall, the text was very clear, experiments were rationalized well, and conclusions were justified. A few small comments: 

      (1) Page 5, paragraph 2. Q116R and G232D don't seem like the world's most intuitive mutations. It appears there is a historical reason for looking at these. Could the rationale be explained in the text? (Why R and D specifically?) 

      These mutations are of historical importance, having been generated by random mutagenesis during early characterization of the Kdp system. A sentence containing relevant references has been added to this paragraph to provide this information as context:

      “Specifically, Q116R and G232D substitutions were initially discovered by random mutagenesis during early characterization of the Kdp system (Buurman et al., 1995; Epstein et al., 1978) and have featured in many follow-up studies (Dorus et al., 2001; Schrader et al., 2000; Silberberg et al., 2021; Sweet et al., 2020; van der Laan et al., 2002).”

      (2) Typo: page 14, "diluted" 

      This typo has been corrected.

      (3) The Methods section for SSM electrophysiology could use some additional description of how the data/statistics were collected. How many replicates? Were all replicates from a single sensor/ were multiple sensors examined? Were controls done to test whether the same number of liposomes remain absorbed by the sensor over the length of the experiment? 

      We have extended our description of experimental protocols in the "Activity Assays" section of Methods. This includes the number and type of replicates as well as a discussion of binding currents that were seen for some mutants. Furthermore, a new series of supplementary figures for Figs. 2, 4, 5, and 6 show all of the raw traces for the SSME measurements (Figure 2 - figure supplements 2-4, Figure 4 - figure supplement 1, Figure 5 - figure supplement 3, Figure 6 - figure supplement 2).

      We have included SEC profiles for each of the V496 mutants, which show that they are all well behaved in detergent solution prior to reconstitution (Fig. 4 - figure supplement 1). We are not able to directly document reconstitution efficiencies as it is not practical to separate proteoliposomes from unincorporated protein prior to preparing the sensors used for SSME. Binding currents are seen for several of the inactive mutants (e.g., Q116R in Rb and NH<sub>4</sub> in Fig. 2 - figure supplement 3 and V496R in Fig. 4 - figure supplement 1), which demonstrate that protein is indeed present in the corresponding proteoliposomes even though no sustained transport current is observed.

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    2. Na het hoornvlies (1) gaat het licht door het kamervocht (2) en de pupil (3). De iris is een spier die de grootte van de pupil regelt, ofwel de hoeveelheid binnenkomend licht. Vervolgens passeert het licht de lens (4). Om de lens heen zit de ciliaire spier die zorgt voor accommodatie. Accommodatie is de aanpassing voor voorwerpen op verschillende afstanden, waardoor we op verschillende afstanden scherp kunnen zien. Na de lens gaat het licht door het glasachtig lichaam (5) en bereikt het uiteindelijk het netvlies (retina) (6), het lichtgevoelige weefsel aan de achterkant van de oogbol. Het scherpste zicht wordt verkregen in de fovea (7), het meest gevoelige deel van het netvlies.

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    1. Author response:

      The following is the authors’ response to the original reviews.

      Reviewer #2 (Public review):

      (1)  The sharpening model of expectation can predict surround suppression. The authors could further clarify how the cancellation model predicts a monotonic profile of expectation (Figure 1C) with the highest response at the expected orientation, while the cancellation model suggests a suppression of neurons tuned toward the expected stimulus.

      We thank the reviewer for the comment. We would like to emphasize that as the expected signal is suppressed, the relative weight or salience of unexpected inputs increases. We have clarified this interpretation in the manuscript as follows:

      “Here, given these two mechanisms making opposite predictions about how expectation changes the neural responses of unexpected stimuli, thereby displaying different profiles of expectation, we speculated that if expectation operates by the sharpening model with suppressing unexpected information, we should observe an inhibitory zone surrounding the focus of expectation, and its profile then should display as a center-surround inhibition (Fig. 1c, left). If, however, expectation operates as suggested by the cancelation model with highlighting unexpected information, the inhibitory zone surrounding the focus of expectation should be eliminated, and the profile should instead display a monotonic gradient (Fig. 1c, right).”

      (2) I'm a bit concerned about whether the profile solely arises from modulation of expectation. The two auditory cues are each associated with a fixed orientation, which may be confounded by other cognitive processes like visual working memory or attention (which I think the authors also discussed). Although the authors tried to use SFD task to render orientation task-irrelevant, luminance edges (i.e., orientation) and spatial frequency in gratings are highly intertwined and orientation of the gratings may help recall the first grating's SF (fixed at 0.9 c/{degree sign}), especially given the first and second grating's orientations are not very different (4.8{degree sign}).

      We agree that dissociating expectation from attention and other top-down processes remains a key challenge in visual expectation research (see Summerfield & Egner, 2009; Summerfield & de Lange, 2014; de Lange et al., 2018). As is generally acknowledged, expectation reflects the probability of a sensory event, while selective attention relates to its behavioral relevance. To minimize attentional influences, our task design ensured that grating orientation was not taskrelevant: on each trial, participants discriminated either orientation or spatial frequency difference, such that orientation itself did not require attentional allocation, a point already discussed in the manuscript.

      Regarding visual working memory, we argue that even if participants recalled the first grating’s spatial frequency in the SFD task, they were not required to retain its precise spatial frequency (or orientation), as their task was simply to judge whether the second grating appeared denser or sparser. In other words, orientation (or spatial frequency) itself was not task-relevant. Moreover, although not included in the manuscript, we conducted a post-experiment debriefing in which participants were asked whether they noticed any association between the auditory tone and the grating orientation. None of the participants reported this relationship correctly, suggesting that the tone-orientation mapping remained implicit and was unlikely to be driven by strategic attention or memory.

      However, we acknowledge that certain confounding processes such as statistical learning or implicit mapping acquisition cannot be fully ruled out given the current paradigm. Future studies using methods with higher temporal resolution (e.g., EEG/MEG) may help to dissociate these mechanisms more precisely.

      (3) For each of the expected orientations (20{degree sign} or 70{degree sign}), the unexpected ones are linearly separable (i.e., all unexpected ones lie on one side of the expected angle). This might further encourage people to shift their attended or expected orientation, according to the optimal tuning hypothesis. Would this provide an alternative explanation to the tuning shift that the authors found?

      We thank the reviewer for pointing out the relevance of the optimal tuning hypothesis. We acknowledge that the optimal tuning theory (Navalpakkam & Itti, 2007) is an important framework, particularly in visual search paradigms, where attentional templates may shift away from non-target features to enhance discriminability.

      In our task, this hypothesis would predict a shift of expectation toward <20° in E20° trials and >70° in E70° trials, given that all unexpected orientations lie on one side of the expected angle. Importantly, the optimal tuning hypothesis predicts such shifts not only in Δ20°, Δ25°, and Δ30° trials but also in the Δ0° trials. In this regard, the observed shift in Δ20° and Δ30° (Experiment 2) and Δ25° (Experiment 3) trials is broadly consistent with the predictions of the optimal tuning account. However, we did not observe a corresponding shift away from nontarget features in the Δ0° condition, suggesting limited behavioral evidence for optimal tuning effects under our current task settings.

      It is important to note that most previous studies supporting optimal tuning (e.g., Navalpakkam & Itti, 2007; Scolari & Serences, 2009; Geng, DiQuattro, & Helm, 2017; Yu & Geng, 2019) have used visual search paradigms that differ from our design in several critical ways, including the number of stimuli presented, their spatial arrangement (eccentricity), task demands, and so on. Therefore, it is difficult to determine whether the optimal tuning hypothesis could serve as an alternative explanation within the context of our current study. We agree that future studies could further examine how such task parameters influence the presence or absence of optimal tuning.

      (4) It is great that the authors conducted computational modeling to elucidate the potential neuronal mechanisms of expectation. But I think the sharpening hypothesis (e.g., reviewed in de Lange, Heilbron & Kok, 2018) focuses on the neural population level, i.e., narrowing of population tuning profile, while the authors conducted the sharpening at the neuronal tuning level. However, the sharpening of population does not necessarily rely on the sharpening of individual neuronal tuning. For example, neuronal gain modulation can also account for such population sharpening. I think similar logic applies to the orientation adjustment experiment. The behavioral level shift does not necessarily suggest a similar shift at the neuronal level. I would recommend that the authors comment on this.

      We thank the reviewer for this to-the-point comment. As de Lange et al. (2018) noted, “there is not always a direct correspondence between neural-level and voxel-level selectivity patterns.” That is, neuronal tuning, population-level tuning, voxel-level selectivity, and behavioral adaptive outcomes may reflect different underlying mechanisms and do not necessarily align in a one-toone fashion. We fully acknowledge that population-level tuning effects may also result from various neuronal mechanisms such as gain modulation (for review, see Salinas & Thier, 2000), shifts in preferred orientation (Ringach, et al., 1997; Jeyabalaratnam et al., 2013), asymmetric broadening of tuning curves (Schumacher et al., 2022), or tuning curve sharpening (Ringach, et al., 1997; Schoups et al., 2001).  

      In our modeling, we implemented sharpening and shifts of neuronal tuning curves as a conceptual model simplification, intended to explore potential mechanisms underlying expectation-related center-surround suppression effects. While sharpening-based accounts (e.g., Kok et al. 2012) have often been emphasized, we stress that other mechanisms, such as gain modulation or tuning shifts, may also contribute. Our goal is not to provide a definitive account, but to highlight such plausible mechanisms and encourage future investigation. We have revised the Discussion to emphasize that multiple mechanisms may underlie the observed effects.

      “We note that our implementation of sharpening and shifts at the neuronal level serves as a conceptual model simplification, as population-level tuning, voxel-level selectivity, and behavioral adaptive outcomes may reflect different underlying neuronal mechanisms and do not necessarily align in a one-to-one fashion. Here, we stress that other potential mechanisms beyond sharpening, such as tuning shifts, may also contribute to visual expectation.” 

      (5) If the orientation adjustment experiment suggests that both sharpening and shifting are present at the same time, have the authors tried combining both in their computational model?

      We agree with the reviewer that it is necessary to consider the combined model. Accordingly, we implemented a computational model incorporating sharpening of the expected orientation channel together with shifting of the unexpected orientation channels. This model

      successfully captured the sharpening of the expected-orientation channel and the shift of the unexpectedorientation channels (Supplementary Fig. 3). For the expected orientation (Δ0°) , results showed that the amplitude change was significantly higher than zero on both OD (t(23) = 2.582, p = 0.017, Cohen’s d = 0.527) and SFD (t(23) = 2.078, p = 0.049, Cohen’s d = 0.424) tasks (Supplementary Fig. 3e, vertical stripes); the width change was significantly lower than zero on both OD (t(23) = -2.438, p = 0.023, Cohen’s d = 0.498) and SFD (t(23) = -2.578, p = 0.017, Cohen’s d = 0.526) tasks (Supplementary Fig. 3e, diagonal stripes). For unexpected orientations (Δ10°-Δ40°), however, the amplitude and width changes were not significant with zero on either OD (amplitude change: t(23) = 0.443, p = 0.662, Cohen’s d = 0.091; width change: t(23) = -1.819, p = 0.082, Cohen’s d = 0.371) or SFD (amplitude change: t(23) = 1.130, p = 0.270, Cohen’s d = 0.231; width change: t(23) = -1.710, p = 0.101, Cohen’s d = 0.349) tasks (Supplementary Fig. 3f). In the meantime, the location shift was significantly different than zero for unexpected orientations (Δ10°-Δ40°, OD task: t(23) = 3.611, p = 0.001, Cohen’s d = 0.737; SFD task: t(23) = 2.418, p = 0.024, Cohen’s d = 0.493 (Supplementary Fig. 3g). These results provided further evidence that tuning sharpening and tuning shift jointly contribute to center– surround inhibition in expectation.  

      Reviewer#1 (Recommendation for the Author):

      (1) A direct comparison between tasks (baseline vs. expectation conditions) would have strengthened the findings. Specifically, contrasting performance in the orientation discrimination task with the spatial frequency discrimination task could have provided clearer evidence that participants actually used the auditory cues to attend to the expected orientation. This comparison would be particularly important for validating cue manipulation in the orientation discrimination task.

      We agree that a direct comparison between the orientation discrimination (OD) and spatial frequency discrimination (SFD) tasks could further clarify how expectation (auditory cues) differentially modulates orientation relevance. However, the primary goal of the current study was to examine expectation effects within each task separately and to demonstrate that such effects are independent of attentional modulation driven by the task-relevance of orientation.

      In addition, the OD and SFD tasks differ not only in the relevant task features (orientation vs. spatial frequency discrimination), but also in stimulus properties and difficulty, for example, the arbitrary use of 20–70° as the orientation range and ~0.9 cycles/° as the spatial frequency setting, a direct comparison could introduce confounding factors unrelated to expectation.

      Importantly, Previous studies (e.g., Kok et al., 2012, 2017; Aitken et al., 2020) and our current results show that participants performed significantly better when the auditory cue matched the expected orientation, supporting the validity of our expectation manipulation.

      (2) An interesting consideration is why the center-surround inhibition profile of expectation was independent of the task-relevance of orientation. Previous studies (e.g., Kok et al., 2012) have found that orientation discrimination patterns differ depending on whether orientation is taskrelevant or irrelevant. This could be useful to discuss the possible discrepancies.

      We thank the reviewer for this inspiring comment. Kok et al. (2012) showed that both orientation and contrast tasks elicited similar fMRI decoding results, regardless of task relevance, suggesting neural mechanisms of expectation operate independently of whether orientation is task relevant. Behaviorally, they reported better performance for expected versus unexpected trials in the orientation task (3.4° vs. 3.8°, t(17) = 2.8, p = 0.013), and a marginal trend (although not significant) in the contrast task (4.3% vs. 5.0%, t(17) = 1.9, p = 0.075). If any differences between the two tasks exist, they may lie in the correlation between behavioral and fMRI effects, a question that goes beyond the scope of the current study. Therefore, it is hard to strongly conclude that orientation discrimination patterns differ depending on whether orientation is taskrelevant or irrelevant in their paper.

      Our study differs from theirs in at least two important ways, which may account for the clearer expectation facilitatory effect we observed in the expectation (Δ0°) condition. First, in our study, the orientation-irrelevant task involved spatial frequency discrimination (SFD) rather than contrast discrimination. Compared to contrast, spatial frequency has been shown to exhibit a clear cueing effect, as reported in Fang & Liu (2019). Second, our design included a baseline condition, which was absent in their study. We computed discrimination sensitivity (DS) to quantify how much the discrimination threshold (DT) changed relative to baseline. By using this baseline-referenced approach, we observed a significant facilitatory expectation effect in the Δ0° condition, an effect that shifted from marginal significance in their orientation-irrelevant task to clear significance in our study.

      (3) The authors might consider briefly explaining how the orientation adjustment paradigm used in this study is particularly effective for examining the potential co-existence of tuning sharpening and tuning shift computations, and how this approach complements traditional orientation discrimination tasks in characterizing expectation-related mechanisms.

      We thank the reviewer for this valuable suggestion. We agree that further clarification is needed to better connect the two experiments. To explain this, we have elaborated further in the manuscript.

      “To further explore the co-existence of both Tuning sharpening and Tuning shift computations in center-surround inhibition profile of expectation, participants were asked to perform a classic orientation adjustment experiment. Unlike profile experiment (discrimination tasks), the adjustment experiment provides a direct, trial-by-trial measure of participants’ perceived orientation, capturing the full distribution of responses. This enables the construction of orientation-specific tuning curves, allowing us to detect both tuning sharpening and tuning shifts, thereby offering a more nuanced understanding of the computational mechanisms underlying expectation.”

      (4) These interesting findings raise important questions about their relationship to existing hybrid models of attentional modulation. Could the authors discuss how their results might align with or extend previous work demonstrating combined feature-similarity gain and surround suppression effects for orientation (e.g., Fang & Liu, 2019)? Could a hybrid model potentially provide a better account of these data than the pure surround suppression model?

      We thank the reviewer for this valuable comment. We agree that hybrid model should be mentioned in the manuscript and we have elaborated further in the Discussion.

      “For example, within the orientation space, the inhibitory zone was about 20°, 45°, and 54° for expectation evident here, feature-based attention[21], and visual perceptual learning[35], respectively; within the feature-based attention, it was about 30° and 45° in color [77] and motion direction [53] spaces, respectively These variations hint at the exciting possibility that the width of the inhibitory surround may flexibly adapt to stimulus context and task demands, ultimately facilitating our perception and behavior in a changing environment. This principle is consistent with the hybrid model of feature-based attention [53,54,75], where attention is deployed adaptively to prioritize task-relevant information through feature-similarity gain which filters out the most distinctive distractors, and surround suppression which inhibits similar and confusable ones, thereby jointly shaping the attentional tuning profile.”

      (5) On page 19, there appears to be a missing symbol in the description of the Tuning Sharpening model. The text states: 'the tuning width of each channel's tuning function is parameterized by ??', where the question marks seem to indicate a missing parameter symbol.

      We appreciate the reviewer’s careful attention. Yes, the "ơ" is missing, which was likely caused by a formatting issue. We have corrected it.

    1. Reviewer #3 (Public review):

      Summary:

      This paper investigates the Matthew effect, where early success in funding peer review can translate into potentially unwarranted later success. It also investigated the previously found "setback" effect for those who narrowly miss out on funding.

      Strengths:

      The study used data from six funding agencies, which increases the generalisability, and was able to link bibliographic data for around 95% of applicants. The authors nicely illustrate how the previously found "setback" effect for near-miss applicants could be a collider bias due to those who chose to apply sometime later. This is a good explanation for the counter-intuitive effect and is nicely shown in Figure 5.

      Weaknesses:

      Most of the methods were clearly presented, but I have a few questions and comments, as outlined below.

      In Figure 4(a) why are the "post" means much lower than the "pre"? This contradicts the expected research trajectory of researchers. Or is this simply due to less follow-up time? But doesn't the field citation ratio control for follow-up time?

      The choice of the log-normal distribution for latent quality was not entirely clear to me. This would create some skew, rather than a symmetric distribution, which may be reasonable but log-normal distributions can have a very long tail which might not mimic reality, as I would not expect a small number of researchers to be extremely above the crowd. However, then the skew was potentially dampened by using percentile scores. Some further reasoning and plots of the priors would help.

      Can the authors confirm the results of Figure S9 which show no visible effect of altering the standard deviation for the review parameter or the mean citations? Is this just because the prior for quality is dominated by the data? Could it be that the width of the distribution for quality does not matter, as it's the relative difference/ranking that counts? So the beta in equation 6 changes to adjust to the different quality scale?

      The contrary result for the FWF is not explained (Table S3). Does this funder have different rules around re-applicants or many other competing funders?

      The outlined qualitative research sounds worthwhile. Another potential mechanism (based on anecdote) is that some researchers react irrationally to rejection or acceptance, tending to think that the whole agency likes or hates their work based on one experience. Many researchers do not appreciate that it was a somewhat random selection of reviewers who viewed their work, and it will unlikely be the same reviewers next time.

      "A key implication is the importance of encouraging promising, but initially unsuccessful applicants to reapply." Yes, A policy implication is to give people multiple chances to be lucky, perhaps by giving fewer grants to more people, which could be achieved by shortening the funding period (e.g., 4 year fellowships instead of 5 years). Although this will have some costs as applicants would need to spend more time on applications and suffer increased stress of shorter-term contracts. The bridge grants is potentially an ideal half-way house between many short-term and few long-term awards. Giving more grants to fewer people is supported by this analysis showing a diminishing returns in research outputs with more funding, DOI: 10.1371/journal.pone.0065263.

      Making more room for re-applicants also made me wonder if there should be an upper cap on funding, potentially for people who have been incredibly successful. Of course, funders generally want to award successful researchers, but people who've won over some limit, for example $50 million, could likely be expected to win funding from other sources such as philanthropy and business. Graded caps could occur by career stage.

    1. https://www.assemblee-nationale.fr/dyn/17/dossiers/effets_psychologiques_tiktok_mineurs

      Note d'Information : Synthèse du Rapport d'Enquête sur TikTok et les Mineurs

      Synthèse

      Ce document de synthèse présente les conclusions et recommandations du rapport de la commission d'enquête parlementaire sur les effets psychologiques de l'application TikTok sur les mineurs.

      Le rapport dresse un constat accablant : le modèle économique de TikTok, basé sur la captation de l'attention à des fins commerciales, expose les jeunes utilisateurs à des contenus dangereux et addictifs, avec des conséquences graves pour leur santé mentale et physique.

      L'algorithme de la plateforme, par sa conception même, tend à amplifier les contenus négatifs et à enfermer les jeunes vulnérables dans des spirales de souffrance psychologique.

      Face à ce diagnostic, la commission a formulé 43 recommandations articulées autour de plusieurs axes majeurs :

      1. Une régulation renforcée des plateformes à l'échelle européenne, en s'appuyant sur le Digital Services Act (DSA), et au niveau national, par des obligations de modération humaine et de transparence algorithmique.

      2. Des mesures de protection directes pour les mineurs, notamment la proposition phare d'interdire l'accès aux réseaux sociaux avant l'âge de 15 ans et de généraliser la "pause portable" dans les lycées.

      3. Une politique de sensibilisation et d'éducation massive de l'ensemble de la société, visant les enfants, les parents, les professionnels de santé et le corps enseignant.

      Le rapport met également en lumière des nuances d'approche entre ses co-auteurs, notamment sur la priorité à donner entre l'interdiction pour les moins de 15 ans (soutenue par la rapporteure Laure Miller) et une régulation prioritaire des plateformes pour créer des espaces sécurisés (privilégiée par le président Arthur de la Porte).

      Enfin, une action judiciaire a été engagée par le président de la commission, qui a saisi le parquet de Paris pour "négligence coupable" de la part de TikTok.

      I. Contexte et Genèse de la Commission d'Enquête

      Le Constat Alarmant de l'Exposition des Mineurs

      La commission d'enquête s'inscrit dans un contexte d'exposition précoce et intensive des mineurs aux écrans et aux réseaux sociaux, étayé par plusieurs études :

      Usage Précoce : Selon un rapport de l'ARCOM (septembre 2025), une majorité de jeunes de 10 à 14 ans utilise les réseaux sociaux avant l'âge minimal légal de 13 ans. L'âge moyen de la première utilisation est de 11 ans pour les plateformes vidéo et de 12 ans pour les réseaux sociaux.

      Exposition aux Contenus Choquants : Les trois quarts des 11-17 ans déclarent avoir déjà été exposés à des contenus qu'ils jugent choquants. TikTok joue un rôle particulièrement préoccupant, avec 38 % de ses utilisateurs gravement exposés à des contenus violents.

      Faiblesse de la Vérification de l'Âge : Seuls 10 % des utilisateurs de TikTok interrogés par l'ARCOM ont fait l'objet d'une demande de vérification d'âge ou ont vu leur compte bloqué.

      Temps d'Écran Élevé : Une étude de Santé publique France montre que les enfants de 9 à 11 ans passent en moyenne 2h33 par jour devant les écrans. Sur TikTok spécifiquement, le temps moyen pour les jeunes utilisateurs est de 1h43, pouvant atteindre 7 à 8 heures par jour selon les témoignages recueillis.

      La Démarche de la Commission

      Lancée en avril sur la base d'une proposition de résolution transpartisane, la commission a mené un travail intensif pour "ouvrir le capot de la machine TikTok".

      Périmètre : Le focus a été mis sur TikTok, considéré comme le réseau social le plus utilisé par les jeunes et dont le modèle (vidéos en plein écran défilant à l'infini) est imité par les autres plateformes.

      Méthodologie :

      67 réunions tenues en 84 jours.    ◦ 163 personnes auditionnées pendant 95 heures, incluant des pédopsychiatres, des sociologues, des associations familiales, des familles de victimes (regroupées dans le collectif Algos), des influenceurs (positifs comme Hugo Travers et d'autres plus controversés), ainsi que des représentants des plateformes, dont une audition de 8 heures pour TikTok.    ◦ Une consultation publique sur le site de l'Assemblée nationale ayant recueilli près de 30 000 participations, dont 19 000 lycéens.

      II. Diagnostic : Les Effets Psychologiques et les Mécanismes de TikTok

      Le constat de la commission est qualifié de "sans appel" et "accablant". Il met en cause directement le modèle économique et algorithmique de la plateforme.

      Un Algorithme Conçu pour l'Addiction et la Rétention

      L'algorithme et le design de TikTok sont décrits comme une "machine à sous de vidéo" ou des "sucreries mentales" conçues pour maximiser le temps passé sur l'application.

      Rétention d'Attention : L'algorithme est extrêmement efficace pour retenir l'attention des utilisateurs, ce qui a pour premier effet une privation du temps de sommeil, impactant la santé mentale, l'attention et la capacité de suivi scolaire.

      Logique Commerciale : L'objectif est un "business de la data et du temps de cerveau disponible", où les mineurs constituent une cible stratégique majeure.

      Renforcement de la Souffrance : L'algorithme détecte rapidement les vulnérabilités. Un jeune en situation de mal-être se verra proposer de plus en plus de contenus violents, choquants ou liés à sa souffrance (suicide, anorexie), l'enfermant dans un cercle vicieux.

      Responsabilité Quasi-Éditoriale : Bien que les plateformes n'aient pas de responsabilité éditoriale au sens juridique, la commission estime que par la sélection et la mise en avant des contenus ("curialisation"), elles ont une responsabilité de fait, qui les soumet à des obligations de protection des mineurs au titre du DSA.

      La Nature des Contenus Préjudiciables

      La commission a identifié une large gamme de contenus néfastes, bénéficiant d'une large audience car les émotions négatives retiennent davantage l'attention.

      • Promotion du suicide, de l'automutilation et des troubles du comportement alimentaire.

      • Conseils de santé dangereux.

      • Exposition à la violence sous toutes ses formes, au racisme, à l'antisémitisme et à la pédocriminalité.

      • Banalisation de contenus radicaux et extrémistes, menant à une fragmentation identitaire et à la création de "bulles" qui altèrent le rapport au monde et menacent la cohésion nationale.

      Impacts sur la Santé Physique et Mentale des Mineurs

      Les auditions de professionnels de santé ont confirmé que si un lien de causalité direct est difficile à prouver, l'utilisation des réseaux sociaux amplifie avec certitude les vulnérabilités et le mal-être préexistants.

      Catégorie d'Impact

      Description des Effets Observés

      Santé Physique

      Privation de sommeil.

      Développement Cognitif

      Réduction de la capacité de concentration et de la tolérance à l'ennui.

      Construction Sociale

      Pression sur l'image corporelle, notamment pour les jeunes filles, avec la promotion d'un idéal de corps féminin irréaliste.

      Rapport à la Violence

      Banalisation de la violence, cyberharcèlement.

      Santé Mentale

      Amplification des troubles anxieux, de la dépression et des idéations suicidaires chez les jeunes vulnérables.

      III. Les 43 Recommandations : Axes d'Action et Points de Débat

      Axe 1 : La Régulation des Plateformes (Niveau Européen et National)

      La commission préconise une double approche : poursuivre le combat à l'échelle de l'UE, tout en agissant rapidement au niveau national.

      Le Levier Européen : Huit recommandations visent à renforcer le rôle de l'Europe. Le Digital Services Act (DSA) est identifié comme l'outil principal, mais son application est lente. Les travaux de la commission ont déjà contribué à consolider la position française à Bruxelles.

      Régulation Algorithmique : Une proposition vise à imposer que le flux de contenus par défaut soit celui des abonnements de l'utilisateur ("suivi") et non le flux "Pour Toi", jugé plus dangereux car entièrement piloté par l'algorithme.

      Renforcement de la Modération : Le rapport souligne la réduction des moyens de modération humaine par TikTok et insiste sur la nécessité de les renforcer.

      Soutien aux Signaleurs de Confiance : Il est proposé de créer un fonds de dotation, financé par les plateformes sur le principe du "pollueur-payeur", pour garantir l'indépendance et les moyens des associations qui signalent les contenus illicites (ex: e-Enfance, Stop Fisha).

      Axe 2 : La Protection des Mineurs et la Sensibilisation de la Société

      L'Interdiction d'Accès avant 15 ans : C'est une des propositions les plus débattues. Elle vise à protéger les plus jeunes durant une période cruciale de leur développement, en attendant une régulation efficace des plateformes.

      La "Pause Portable" dans les Établissements Scolaires : Le rapport recommande d'étendre aux lycées l'interdiction du téléphone portable déjà en vigueur dans les collèges, soulignant les bénéfices observés sur la sérénité des élèves et la socialisation.

      Sensibilisation Massive : Le rapport insiste sur le fait qu'une interdiction seule est insuffisante. Il appelle à :

      ◦ Des campagnes d'information "choc" grand public.    ◦ Le renforcement des messages de prévention dans les carnets de santé.    ◦ La formation des professionnels de santé et du personnel de l'Éducation nationale, souvent démunis face à ces enjeux.    ◦ L'accompagnement des parents, en luttant contre l'injonction contradictoire entre le "tout numérique" scolaire et les appels à limiter les écrans.

      Axe 3 : Les Points de Divergence et de Nuance

      Le rapport reflète un consensus sur le diagnostic, mais des approches différentes sur certaines solutions.

      Débat sur l'Interdiction vs. la Régulation :

      Mme Laure Miller défend l'interdiction pour les moins de 15 ans comme une mesure de protection immédiate, arguant que les droits fondamentaux des enfants (santé, sécurité) sont actuellement bafoués.    ◦ M. Arthur de la Porte privilégie une approche axée sur la régulation des plateformes pour rendre les espaces numériques sécurisés, afin de permettre un accès contrôlé aux 13-15 ans dans l'esprit de la loi Marcangeli.

      La Question de la Responsabilité Parentale :

      ◦ Mme Miller a proposé de créer un "délit de négligence numérique" pour les cas d'exposition excessive et manifeste, après une période de sensibilisation de trois ans, afin d'inscrire la protection numérique dans les devoirs parentaux.    ◦ M. de la Porte exprime une nuance, considérant que l'enjeu principal est de combattre les plateformes et non de pénaliser les parents.

      IV. Enjeux Transversaux et Suites Envisagées

      La Vérification de l'Âge : Défis Techniques et Protection des Données

      La mise en œuvre de toute limite d'âge repose sur une vérification efficace. Des solutions respectueuses de la vie privée sont en développement, basées sur le principe du "double anonymat" où un tiers de confiance valide la majorité sans transmettre de données personnelles à la plateforme. La France participera à une expérimentation européenne d'un tel outil à partir du printemps 2025.

      Le Rôle des Autres Acteurs

      La discussion a souligné la nécessité d'impliquer l'ensemble de la chaîne de responsabilité, incluant non seulement les plateformes, mais aussi les opérateurs télécoms et les constructeurs de terminaux (smartphones).

      L'Action Judiciaire et la Pression sur les Plateformes

      En conclusion de ses travaux, le président Arthur de la Porte a saisi le parquet de Paris sur la "négligence coupable" de TikTok.

      Cette démarche vise à engager la responsabilité pénale de la plateforme, considérée comme un levier essentiel pour contraindre les géants du numérique à modifier leurs pratiques, en complément des sanctions administratives prévues par le DSA.

    1. Reviewer #2 (Public review):

      Summary:

      The authors have developed a behavioral paradigm to experimentally manipulate the sense of control experienced by participants by varying the level of difficulty in a wheel-stopping task. In the first study, this manipulation is tested by administering the task in a factorial design with two levels of controllability and two levels of stressor intensity to a large number of participants online, while simultaneously recording subjective ratings of perceived control, anxiety, and stress. In a second study, the authors employed the wheel stopping task to induce a high sense of controllability and investigate whether this manipulation buffers the response to a subsequent stress induction when compared to a neutral task, such as watching pleasant videos.

      Strengths:

      (1) The authors validate a method to manipulate stress.

      (2) The authors use an experimental manipulation to induce an enhanced sense of controllability to test its impact on the response to stress induction.\

      (3) The studies involved big sample sizes.

      Weaknesses:

      (1) The study was not preregistered.

      (2) The control manipulation is conflated with task difficulty and, therefore, the reward rate. In the revised version of the manuscript, the authors perform statistical analysis to demonstrate that the relationship between perceived level of control and subjective stress remains robust after the inclusion of win rate in the model. This analysis strengthens the authors's claims, but the evidence would more substantial if the design did not conflate reward rate and control. The authors properly discuss this issue in the revised manuscript.

      This study will be of interest to psychologists and cognitive scientists who are interested in understanding how controllability and its subjective perception influence how people respond to stress exposure. The demonstration that an increased sense of control buffers/protects against subsequent stress is important and may trigger further studies to characterize this phenomenon better. However, beyond the highlighted weaknesses, the current study only studied the effect of stress induction consequent to the performance of the WS task on the same day, and its generalizability is not warranted.

    2. Reviewer #3 (Public review):

      Summary:

      This is an interesting investigation on the benefits of perceiving control and its impact on the subjective experience of stress. To assess the subjective sense of control, the authors introduce a novel wheel stopping (WS) task where control is manipulated via size and speed to induce conditions of low and high control. The authors demonstrate that the subjective sense of control is associated with experienced subjective stress and individual differences related to mental health measures. In a second experiment, they further demonstrate that an increased sense of control buffers subjective stress induced by a trier social stress manipulation, more so than a typical stress-buffering mechanism of watching neutral/calming videos.

      Strengths:

      Several strengths of the manuscript can be highlighted. For instance, the paper introduces a new paradigm and a clever manipulation to test a significant and important question. Additionally, it is a well-powered investigation that allows for confidence in replicability and demonstrate both high internal consistency and high external validity, along with an interesting set of individual difference analyses. Finally, the results are quite interesting and support prior literature, while also making a significant contribution to the field in understanding the benefits of perceiving control.

      Weaknesses:

      The authors have addressed all my queries, and I believe the revised paper has been improved and will make an important contribution to the literature.

    3. Author response:

      The following is the authors’ response to the previous reviews.

      Reviewer #1 (Public review):

      Summary:

      This work investigated how the sense of control influences perceptions of stress. In a novel "Wheel Stopping" task, the authors used task variations in difficulty and controllability to measure and manipulate perceived control in two large cohorts of online participants. The authors first show that their behavioral task has good internal consistency and external validity, showing that perceived control during the task was linked to relevant measures of anxiety, depression, and locus of control. Most importantly, manipulating controllability in the task led to reduced subjective stress, showing a direct impact of control on stress perception. However, this work has minor limitations due to the design of the stressor manipulations/measurements and the necessary logistics associated with online versus in-person stress studies.

      Nevertheless, this research adds to our understanding of when and how control can influence the effects of stress and is particularly relevant to mental health interventions.

      We thank the reviewer for their clear and accurate summary of the findings. 

      Strengths:

      The primary strength of this research is the development of a unique and clever task design that can reliably and validly elicit variations in beliefs about control. Impressively, higher subjective control in the task was associated with decreased psychopathology measures such an anxiety and depression in a non-clinical sample of participants. In addition, the authors found that lower control and higher difficulty in the task led to higher perceived stress, suggesting that the task can reliably manipulate perceptions of stress. Prior tasks have not included both controllability and difficulty in this manner and have not directly tested the direct influence of these factors on incidental stress, making this work both novel and important for the field.

      We thank the reviewer for their positive comments.

      Weaknesses:

      One minor weakness of this research is the validity of the online stress measurements and manipulations. In this study, the authors measure subjective stress via self-report both during the task and also after either a Trier Social Stress Test (high-stress condition) or a memory test (low-stress condition). One concern is that these stress manipulations were really "threats" of stress, where participants never had to complete the stress tasks (i.e., recording a speech for judgment). While this is not unusual for an in-lab study and can reliably elicit substantial stress/anxiety, in an online study, there is a possibility for communication between participants (via online forums dedicated to such communication), which could weaken the stress effects. That said, the authors did find sensible increases and decreases of perceived stress between relevant time points, but future work could improve upon this design by including more complete stress manipulations and measuring implicit physiological signs of stress.

      We thank the reviewer for urging us to expand on this point. The reviewer is right that stress was merely anticipatory and is in that sense different to the canonical TSST. However, there are ample demonstrations that such anticipatory stress inductions are effective at reliably eliciting physiological and psychological stress responses (e.g. Nasso et al., 2019; Schlatter et al., 2021; Steinbeis et al., 2015). Further, there is evidence that online versions of the TSST are also effective (DuPont et al., 2022; Meier et al., 2022), including evidence that the speech preparation phase conducted online was related to increases in heart rate and blood pressure (DuPont et al., 2022). Importantly, and as the reviewer notes in relation to our study specifically, the anticipatory TSST had a significant impact on subjective stress in the expected direction demonstrating that it was effective at eliciting subjective stress. We have elaborated further on this in our manuscript (pages 8 and 9) as follows: 

      “Prior research has found TSST anticipation to elicit both psychological and physiological stress responses [37-39], suggesting that the task anticipation would be a valid stress induction despite participants not performing the speech task. Moreover, prior research has validated the use of remote TSST in online settings [40, 41], including evidence that the speech preparation phase (online) was related to increased heart rate and blood pressure compared to controls [40].”

      Reviewer #2 (Public review):

      Summary:

      The authors have developed a behavioral paradigm to experimentally manipulate the sense of control experienced by the participants by changing the level of difficulty of a wheel-stopping task. In the first study, this manipulation is tested by administering the task in a factorial design with two levels of controllability and two levels of stressor intensity to a large number of participants online while simultaneously recording subjective ratings on perceived control, anxiety, and stress. In the second study, the authors used the wheel-stopping task to induce a high sense of controllability and test whether this manipulation buffers the response to a subsequent stress induction when compared to a neutral task, like looking at pleasant videos.

      We thank the reviewer for their accurate summary.

      Strengths:

      (1) The authors validate a method to manipulate stress.

      (2) The authors use an experimental manipulation to induce an enhanced sense of controllability to test its impact on the response to stress induction.

      (3) The studies involved big sample sizes.

      We thank the reviewer for noting these positive aspects of our study. 

      Weaknesses:

      (1) The study was not preregistered.

      This is correct.

      (2) The control manipulation is conflated with task difficulty, and, therefore the reward rate. Although the authors acknowledge this limitation at the end of the discussion, it is a very important limitation, and its implications are not properly discussed. The discussion states that this is a common limitation with previous studies of control but omits that many studies have controlled for it using yoking.

      We agree that these are very important issues to consider in the interpretation of our findings. It is important to note, that while our task design does not separate these constructs, we are able to do so in our statistical analyses. For example, our measure of perceived difficulty was included in analyses assessing the fluctuations in stress and control in which subjective control still had a unique effect on the experience of stress over and above perceived difficulty, suggesting that subjective control explains variance in stress beyond what is accounted for by perceived difficulty. Similarly, we have also included additional analyses in which we include the win rate (i.e. percentage of trials won) as a covariate when assessing the relationship between subjective control, perceived difficulty and subjective stress, in which subjective control and perceived difficulty still uniquely predict subjective stress when controlling for win rate. This suggests that there is unique variance in subjective control, separate from perceived task difficulty and win rate that is relevant to stress. We have included these analyses (page 16 of manuscript) as follows:

      “To further isolate the relationship between subjective control and stress separate from perceived task difficulty or objective task performance, we also included the overall win rate (percentage of trials won during the WS task) in the models. In Study 1, lower feelings of control were related to higher levels of subjective stress (β= -0.12, p<.001) even when controlling for both  win rate (β= -0.06, p=.220) and perceived task difficulty (β= 0.37, p<.001, Table S10). This also replicated in Study 2, where lower subjective control was associated with higher feelings of stress (β= -0.32, p<.001) when controlling for perceived task difficulty (β= 0.31, p<.001) and win rate (β= -0.11, p=.428, Table S11). This suggests that there is unique variance in subjective feelings of control, separate from task performance, relevant to subjective stress.”

      As well as expanding on this in the Discussion (pages 27 and 28) as follows:

      “While our task design does not separate control from obtained reward, we are able to do so in the statistical analyses. Like with perceived difficulty, we statistically accounted for reward rate and showed that the relationship between subjective control and stress was not accounted for by reward rate, for example. Similarly, participants received feedback after every trial, and thus feedback valence may contribute to stress perception. However, given that overall win rate (which captures the feedback received during the task) did not predict stress over and above perceived difficulty or subjective control, it suggests that feedback is unlikely to relate to stress over and above difficulty. Future work will need to disentangle this further to rule out such potential confounds.”

      Further, in terms of the wider literature on these issues, we have added more to this point in our discussion, especially in relation to previous literature that also varies control by reward rate (e.g. Dorfman & Gershman, 2019, who use a reward rate of 80% in high control conditions and 50% in low control conditions). This can be found in the manuscript on page 27 as follows: 

      “Previous research typically accounts for different outcomes (e.g. punishment) by yoking controllable and uncontrollable conditions [3] though other work has manipulated the controllability of rewards by changing the reward rate [for example 30] where a decoy stimulus is rewarded 50% of the time in the low control condition but 80% in the high control condition).”

      (3) The methods are not always clear enough, and it is difficult to know whether all the manipulations are done within-subjects or some key manipulations are done between subjects.

      We have added more information in the methods section (page 8) clarifying withinsubject manipulations (WS task parameters) and between-subject manipulations (stressor intensity task, WS task version in Study 1, and WS task/video task in Study 2). Additionally, as recommended by Reviewer 1, we have provided more information in the methods section and Table S3 regarding the details of on-screen written feedback provided to participants after each trial of the WS Task.

      (4) The analysis of internal consistency is based on splitting the data into odd/even sliders. This choice of data parcellation may cause missed drifts in task performance due to learning, practice effects, or tiredness, thus potentially inflating internal consistency.

      We agree that this can indeed be an issue, though drift is likely to be present in any task including even in mood in resting-state (Jangraw et al., 2023). To respond to this specific point, we parcellated the timepoints into a 1<sup>st</sup>/2<sup>nd</sup> half split and report the ICC in the supplementary information. While values are lower, indeed likely due to systematic drifts in task performance as participants learn to perform the task (especially for Study 2 since the order of parameters were designed to get easier throughout the experiment), the ICC values are still high. Control sliders: Study 1 = 0.82, Study 2: = 0.68; Difficulty sliders: Study 1: = 0.84, Study 2 = 0.57; Stress sliders: Study 1 = 0.45, Study 2 = 0.71. As seen, the lowest ICC is for stress sliders in Study 1. This may be because the first 3 sliders (included in the 1<sup>st</sup> half split) were all related to the stress task (initial, post-stress, task, post-debrief) and the final 4 sliders (in the 2<sup>nd</sup> half split) were the three sliders during the WS task and shortly afterwards. 

      (5) Study 2 manipulates the effect of domain (win versus loss WS task), but the interaction of this factor with stressor intensity is not included in the analysis.

      We agree that this would be a valuable analysis to include. We have run additional analyses (section Sensitivity and Exploratory Analyses, pages 24 and 25), testing the interaction of Domain (win or loss) with stressor intensity (and time) when predicting the stress buffering and stress relief effects. This revealed no significant main effects of domain or interactions including domain, suggesting that domain did not impact the stress induction or relief differently depending on whether it was followed by the high or low stressor intensity condition. While the control by time interaction (our main effect of interest) still held for stress induction in this more complex model, the control by time interaction did not hold for the stress relief. However, this more complex model did not provide a better fit for the data, motivating us to continue to draw conclusions from the original model specification with domain as a covariate (rather than an interaction).

      We outline these analyses on page 24 of the manuscript, as follows:

      “Third, we included the interaction of domain with stressor intensity and with time, to test whether the win or loss domain in the WS task significantly impacted stress induction or stress relief differently depending on stressor intensity. There were no significant effects or interactions of domain (Table S14) for stress induction or stress relief, and the main effect of interest (the interaction between time and control) still held for the stress induction (β= 10.20, SE=4.99 p=.041, Table S14), though was no longer significant for the stress relief  (β= 6.72, SE=4.28, p=.117, Table S14). This more complex model did not significantly improve model fit (χ<sup>²</sup>(3)= 1.46, p=.691) compared to our original specification (with domain as a covariate rather than an interaction) and had slightly worse fit (higher AIC and BIC) than the original model (AIC = 5477.2 versus 5472.7, BIC = 5538.5 versus 5520.8).”

      This study will be of interest to psychologists and cognitive scientists interested in understanding how controllability and its subjective perception impact how people respond to stress exposure. Demonstrating that an increased sense of control buffers/protects against subsequent stress is important and may trigger further studies to characterize this phenomenon better. However, beyond the highlighted weaknesses, the current study only studied the effect of stress induction consecutive to the performance of the WS task on the same day and its generalizability is not warranted.

      We thank the reviewer for this assessment and agree that we cannot assume these findings would generalise to more prolonged effects on stress responses.

      Reviewer #3 (Public review):

      Summary:

      This is an interesting investigation of the benefits of perceiving control and its impact on the subjective experience of stress. To assess a subjective sense of control, the authors introduce a novel wheel-stopping (WS) task where control is manipulated via size and speed to induce low and high control conditions. The authors demonstrate that the subjective sense of control is associated with experienced subjective stress and individual differences related to mental health measures. In a second experiment, they further show that an increased sense of control buffers subjective stress induced by a trier social stress manipulation, more so than a more typical stress buffering mechanism of watching neutral/calming videos.

      We agree with this accurate summary of our study. 

      Strengths:

      There are several strengths to the manuscript that can be highlighted. For instance, the paper introduces a new paradigm and a clever manipulation to test an important and significant question. Additionally, it is a well-powered investigation that allows for confidence in replicability and the ability to show both high internal consistency and high external validity with an interesting set of individual difference analyses. Finally, the results are quite interesting and support prior literature while also providing a significant contribution to the field with respect to understanding the benefits of perceiving control.

      We thank the reviewer for this positive assessment. 

      Weaknesses:

      There are also some questions that, if addressed, could help our readership.

      (1) A key manipulation was the high-intensity stressor (Anticipatory TSST signal), which was measured via subjective ratings recorded on a sliding scale at different intervals during testing. Typically, the TSST conducted in the lab is associated with increases in cortisol assessments and physiological responses (e.g., skin conductance and heart rate). The current study is limited to subjective measures of stress, given the online nature of the study. Since TSST online may also yield psychologically different results than in the lab (i.e., presumably in a comfortable environment, not facing a panel of judges), it would be helpful for the authors to briefly discuss how the subjective results compare with other examples from the literature (either online or in the lab). The question is whether the experienced stress was sufficiently stressful given that it was online and measured via subjective reports. The control condition (low intensity via reading recipes) is helpful, but the low-intensity stress does not seem to differ from baseline readings at the beginning of the experiment.

      We agree that it would be helpful to expand on this further. Similar to the comment made by Reviewer 1, we wish to point out that there are ample demonstrations that such anticipatory stress inductions are effective at reliably eliciting physiological and psychological stress responses (e.g. Nasso et al., 2019; Schlatter et al., 2021; Steinbeis et al., 2015). Further, there is evidence that online versions of the TSST are also effective (DuPont et al., 2022; Meier et al., 2022), including evidence that the speech preparation phase conducted online was related to increases in heart rate and blood pressure (DuPont et al., 2022). We have elaborated further on this in our manuscript on pages 8 and 9 as follows:

      “Prior research has found TSST anticipation to elicit both psychological and physiological stress responses [37-39], suggesting that the task anticipation would be a valid stress induction despite participants not performing the speech task. Moreover, prior research has validated the use of remote TSST in online settings [40, 41], including evidence that the speech preparation phase (online) was related to increased heart rate and blood pressure compared to controls [40].”

      (2) The neutral videos represent an important condition to contrast with WS, but it raises two questions. First, the conditions are quite different in terms of experience, and it is interesting to consider what another more active (but not controlled per se) condition would be in comparison to the WS performance. That is, there is no instrumental action during the neutral video viewing (even passive ratings about the video), and the active demands could be an important component of the ability to mitigate stress. Second, the subjective ratings of the stress of the neutral video appear equivalent to the win condition. Would it have been useful to have a high arousal video (akin to the loss condition) to test the idea that experience of control will buffer against stress? That way, the subjective stress experience of stress would start at equivalent points after WS3.

      We agree with the reviewer that this is an important issue to clarify. In our deliberations when designing this study, we considered that that any task with actionoutcome contingencies would have a degree of controllability. To better distinguish experiences of control (WS task) to an experience of no/neutral control (i.e., neither high nor low controllability), we decided to use a task in which no actions were required during the task itself. Importantly, however, there was an active demand and concentration was still required in order to perform the attention checks regarding the content of the videos and ratings of the videos. 

      Thank you for the suggestion of having a high arousal video condition. This would indeed be interesting to test how experiencing ‘neutral’ control and high(er) stress levels preceding the stressor task influences stress buffering and stress relief, and we have included this suggestion for future research in the discussion section (page 28) as below:

      “Another avenue for future research would be to test how control buffers against stress when compared to a neutral control scenario of higher stress levels, akin to the loss domain in the WS Task, given that participants found the video condition generally relaxing. However, given that we found no differences dependent on domain for the stress induction in the WS Task conditions, it is possible that different versions of a neutral control condition would not impact the stress induction.”

      (3) For the stress relief analysis, the authors included time points 2 and 3 (after the stressor and debrief) but not a baseline reading before stress. Given the potential baseline differences across conditions, can this decision be justified in the manuscript?

      We thank the reviewer for raising this. Regarding the stress relief analyses (timepoints 2 and 3) and not including timepoint 1 (after the WS/video task) stress in the model, we have added to the manuscript that there was no significant difference in stress ratings between the high control and neutral control (collapsed across stress and domain) at timepoint 1 (hence why we do not think it’s necessary to include in the stress relief model). Nevertheless, we have now included a sensitivity analysis to test the Timepoint*Control interaction of stress relief when including timepoint 1 stress as a covariate. The timepoint by control interaction still holds, suggesting that the initial stress level prior to the stress induction does not impact our results of interest. The details of this analysis are included in the Sensitivity and Exploratory Analyses section on page 24:

      “Although there were no significant differences between control groups in subjective stress immediately after the WS/video task (t(175.6)=1.17, p=.244), we included participants’ stress level after the WS/video task as a covariate in the stress relief analyses (Table S12). The results revealed a main effect of initial stress (β= 0.643, SE=0.040, p<.001, Table S12) on the stress relief after the stressor debrief. Compared to excluding initial stress as in the original analyses (Table 4), there was now no longer a main effect of domain (β= 0.236, SE=2.60, p=.093, Table S12), but the inference of all other effects remained the same. Importantly, there was still a significant time by control interaction (β= 9.65, SE=3.74, p=.010, Table S12) showing that the decrease in stress after the debrief was greater in the highly controllable WS condition than the neutral control video condition, even when accounting for the initial stress level.”

      (4) Is the increased control experience during the losses condition more valuable in mitigating experienced stress than the win condition?

      We agree that this would be helpful to clarify. To test whether the loss domain was more valuable at mitigating experiences of stress than the win condition, we ran additional analyses with just the high control condition (WS task) to test for a Domain*Time interaction. This revealed no significant Domain*Time interaction, suggesting that the stress buffering or stress relief effect was not dependent on domain in the high control conditions. These analyses are outlined in the Sensitivity and Exploratory Analyses section on page 25:

      “Finally, to test whether the loss domain was more valuable at mitigating experiences of stress than the win condition, we ran additional analyses with just the high control condition (WS task) for the stress induction and stress relief to test for an interaction of domain and time. For the stress induction, there was no significant two-way interaction of domain and time (β= -1.45, SE=4.80, p=.763), nor a significant three-way interaction of domain by time by stressor intensity (β= -3.96, SE=6.74, p=.557, Table S15), suggesting that there were no differences in the stress induction dependent on domain. Similarly for the stress relief, there was no significant two-way interaction of domain and time (β= -5.92, SE=4.42, p=.182), nor a significant three-way interaction of domain by time by stressor intensity interaction (β= 8.86, SE=6.21, p=.154, Table S15), suggesting that there were no differences in the stress relief dependent on the WS Task domain.

      (5) The subjective measure of control ("how in control do you feel right now") tends to follow a successful or failed attempt at the WS task. How much is the experience of control mediated by the degree of experienced success/schedule of reinforcement? Is it an assessment of control or, an evaluation of how well they are doing and/or resolution of uncertainty? An interesting paper by Cockburn et al. 2014 highlights the potential for positive prediction errors to enhance the desire for control.

      We thank the reviewer for this comment. Similar to comments regarding reward rate, our task does not allow us to fully separate control from success/reinforcement because of the manipulation of difficulty. However, we did undertake sensitivity analyses and the inclusion of overall win rate accounted for limited variance when predicting stress over and above subjective control and difficulty (page 16). 

      “To further isolate the relationship between subjective control and stress separate from perceived task difficulty or objective task performance, we also included the overall win rate (percentage of trials won during the WS task) in the models. In Study 1, lower feelings of control were related to higher levels of subjective stress (β= -0.12, p<.001) even when controlling for both  win rate (β= -0.06, p=.220) and perceived task difficulty (β= 0.37, p<.001, Table S10). This also replicated in Study 2, where lower subjective control was associated with higher feelings of stress (β= -0.32, p<.001) when controlling for perceived task difficulty (β= 0.31, p<.001) and win rate (β= -0.11, p=.428, Table S11). This suggests that there is unique variance in subjective feelings of control, separate from task performance, relevant to subjective stress.” 

      (6) While the authors do a very good job in their inclusion and synthesis of the relevant literature, they could also amplify some discussion in specific areas. For example, operationalizing task controllability via task difficulty is an interesting approach. It would be useful to discuss their approach (along with any others in the literature that have used it) and compare it to other typically used paradigms measuring control via presence or absence of choice, as mentioned by the authors briefly in the introduction.

      We are delighted to expand on this particular point and have done so in the Discussion on page 27:

      “Previous research typically accounts for different outcomes (e.g. punishment) by yoking controllable and uncontrollable conditions [3] though other work has manipulated the controllability of rewards by changing the reward rate [for example 30] where a decoy stimulus is rewarded 50% of the time in the low control condition but 80% in the high control condition). While our task design does not separate control from obtained reward, we are able to do so in the statistical analyses.” 

      (7) The paper is well-written. However, it would be useful to expand on Figure 1 to include a) separate figures for study 1 (currently not included) and 2, and b) a timeline that includes the measurements of subjective stress (incorporated in Figure 1). It would also be helpful to include Figure S4 in the manuscript.

      We have expanded Figure 1 to include both Studies 1 and 2 and a timeline of when subjective stress was assessed throughout the experiment as well as adding Figure S4 to the main manuscript (now top panel within Figure 4). 

      Reviewer #1 (Recommendations for the authors):

      (1) Study 2 shows a greater decrease in subjective stress after the high-control task manipulation than after the pleasant video. One possible confound is whether the amount of time to complete the WS task and the video differ. It could be helpful to look at the average completion time for the WS task and compare that to the length of the videos. Alternatively, in future studies, control for this by dynamically adjusting the video play length to each participant based on how long they took to complete the WS task.

      This is an interesting suggestion. As a result, we have included the time taken as a covariate in the stress induction and stress relief analyses to ensure that any differences in time between the WS task and video task were not accounting for any of the stress induction or relief analyses. Controlling for the total time taken did not impact the stress induction or relief results. This is included in the Sensitivity and Exploratory Analyses section on page 24:

      “Our second sensitivity analyses was conducted because the experiment took longer to complete for the video condition (mean = 54.3 minutes, SD = 12.4 minutes) than the WS task condition (mean = 39.7 minutes, SD = 12.8 minutes, t(186.19)=-9.32, p<.001). We therefore included the total time (in ms) as a covariate in the stress induction and stress relief analyses for Study 2. This showed that accounting for total time did not change the results of interest (Table S13), further highlighting that the time by control interactions were robust.”

      (2) Because participants received feedback about their success/failure in the WS task, a confounding factor could be that they received positive feedback on highly controllable trials and negative feedback on low control trials (and/or highly difficult trials). This would suggest that it is not controllability per se that contributes to stress perception but rather feedback valence. The authors show that this is a likely factor in their results in Study 2, which shows significant effects of the loss domain on perceived control and stress. Was a similar analysis done in Study 1? Do participants receive feedback in Study 1? It would be helpful to include this information somewhere in the manuscript. I would be curious to know whether *any* feedback at all influences controllability/stress perceptions.

      We thank the reviewer for this interesting suggestion. It is an interesting question as to whether feedback valence is related to stress in Study 1, and we have added this point to the Discussion on pages 27 and 28. To speak to this point, when we include the overall win rate (which captures the subsequent feedback received) when predicting subjective stress, win rate is not a significant predictor of stress over and above perceived difficulty and subjective control, suggesting that overall feedback valence may not be related to stress in Study 1. We take this as evidence that feedback may not be as important in terms of accounting for the relationship between stress and control. However, we unfortunately do not have any data in which there was no feedback provided to speak to this conclusively. This would be an interesting future study. The excerpt below is added to pages 27 and 28 of the discussion section:

      “Like with perceived difficulty, we statistically accounted for reward rate and showed that the relationship between subjective control and stress was not accounted for by reward rate, for example. Similarly, participants received feedback after every trial, and thus feedback valence may contribute to stress perception. However, given that overall win rate (which captures the feedback received during the task) did not predict stress over and above perceived difficulty or subjective control, it suggests that feedback is unlikely to relate to stress over and above difficulty. Future work will need to disentangle this further to rule out such potential confounds.”

      To respond specifically to the reviewer’s question about the feedback given to participants, written feedback was provided on screen to participants on a trial-bytrial basis also in Study 1 (i.e. for both studies), and we have provided more clarity about this in the manuscript on page 8 as well as providing additional details in Table S3:

      “After each trial, participants were shown written feedback on screen as to whether the segment had successfully stopped on the red zone (or not), and the associated reward (or lack of). See Table S3 for details.”

      (3) I'm not sure how to interpret the fact that in Figure S1, the BICs are all essentially the same. Does this mean that you don't really need all of these varying aspects of the task to achieve the same effects? Could the task be made simpler?

      The similarity of BIC values suggests that a simpler WS task would have produced a worse account of the data approximately in keeping with the extent to which it is a simpler model. Here, the BIC scores for the models are similar, suggesting that adding these parameters adds explanatory power in keeping with what would have been expected from adding a parameter, but not more. We do note that the BIC is a relatively strict and conservative comparison. The fact that the most complex model overall narrowly improves parsimony; combined with the interpretable parameter values and the prior expectations given the task setup led us to focus on this most complex model.  

      (4) A minor point, but the authors refer to their sample as "neurotypical." Were they assessed for prior/current psychopathology/medications? If not, I might use a different term here (perhaps "non-clinical sample"), since some prior work has shown that online samples actually have higher instances of psychopathology compared to community samples.

      We have changed the phrasing of ‘neurotypical’ to a ‘non-clinical sample’ as recommended.

      Reviewer #2 (Recommendations for the authors):

      Figure 4S is very informative and could be presented in the main text.

      We have expanded Figure 1 to include both Studies 1 and 2 and a timeline of when subjective stress was assessed throughout the experiment as well as adding Figure S4 to the main manuscript (top panel of Figure 4). 

      References:

      Dorfman, H. M., & Gershman, S. J. (2019). Controllability governs the balance between Pavlovian and instrumental action selection. Nature Communications, 10(1), 5826. https://doi.org/10.1038/s41467-019-13737-7

      DuPont, C. M., Pressman, S. D., Reed, R. G., Manuck, S. B., Marsland, A. L., & Gianaros, P. J. (2022). An online Trier social stress paradigm to evoke affective and cardiovascular responses. Psychophysiology, 59(10), e14067. https://doi.org/10.1111/psyp.14067

      Jangraw, D. C., Keren, H., Sun, H., Bedder, R. L., Rutledge, R. B., Pereira, F., Thomas, A. G., Pine, D. S., Zheng, C., Nielson, D. M., & Stringaris, A. (2023). A highly replicable decline in mood during rest and simple tasks. Nature Human Behaviour, 7(4), 596–610. https://doi.org/10.1038/s41562-023-015197

      Meier, M., Haub, K., Schramm, M.-L., Hamma, M., Bentele, U. U., Dimitroff, S. J., Gärtner, R., Denk, B. F., Benz, A. B. E., Unternaehrer, E., & Pruessner, J. C. (2022). Validation of an online version of the trier social stress test in adult men and women. Psychoneuroendocrinology, 142, 105818. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.psyneuen.2022.105818

      Nasso, S., Vanderhasselt, M.-A., Demeyer, I., & De Raedt, R. (2019). Autonomic regulation in response to stress: The influence of anticipatory emotion regulation strategies and trait rumination. Emotion, 19(3), 443–454. https://doi.org/10.1037/emo0000448

      Schlatter, S., Schmidt, L., Lilot, M., Guillot, A., & Debarnot, U. (2021). Implementing biofeedback as a proactive coping strategy: Psychological and physiological effects on anticipatory stress. Behaviour Research and Therapy, 140, 103834. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.brat.2021.103834

      Steinbeis, N., Engert, V., Linz, R., & Singer, T. (2015). The effects of stress and affiliation on social decision-making: Investigating the tend-and-befriend pattern. Psychoneuroendocrinology, 62, 138–148. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.psyneuen.2015.08.003

    1. Ronald heeft een vakantiehuis in Nederland ter waarde van 200.000. Stap 1: Box 3 grondslag berekenen: 200.000 - 57.000 (heffingskorting)= 143.000 Stap 2: Voordeel uit beleggen berekenen: 6,04% (want overige bezitting) x 143.000= 8.637 belastbaar vermogen. Stap 3: 36% x 8.637 = €3.109 verschuldigde box 3 belasting

      Stap 1: 200.000 - Heffingsvrij vermogen van 57.684 euro = 142.316 euro. Dan kijken welk percentage uit art. 5.2 lid 2 Wet IB 2001 van toepassing is (banktegoeden, overige bezittingen, schulden). Het vakantiehuis valt onder overige bezittingen van Ronald dus wordt 142.316 euro x 5,88% = 8.368 belastbaar vermogen en dat nog vermenigvuldigen met het tarief uit box 3, 36%. 8.368 x 36% = 3.012,5 euro aan verschuldigde belasting.

    1. VIII
      • ARE 1523820 AgR-terceiro
      • Órgão julgador: Primeira Turma
      • Relator(a): Min. CRISTIANO ZANIN
      • Redator(a) do acórdão: Min. ALEXANDRE DE MORAES
      • Julgamento: 25/06/2025
      • Publicação: 18/07/2025

      AGRAVO INTERNO. RECURSO EXTRAORDINÁRIO COM AGRAVO. PODER GERAL DE CAUTELA DOS TRIBUNAIS DE CONTAS. ART. 71, IX E ART. 75 DA CONSTITUIÇÃO FEDERAL. TEORIA DOS PODERES IMPLÍCITOS. COMPETÊNCIA PARA DETERMINAR À AUTORIDADE ADMINISTRATIVA QUE PROMOVA ANULAÇÃO DE CONTRATO E, SE FOR O CASO, DA LICITAÇÃO DE QUE SE ORIGINOU. PRECEDENTES. AGRAVO INTERNO A QUE SE DÁ PROVIMENTO. - 1. O Plenário do SUPREMO TRIBUNAL FEDERAL já se pronunciou no sentido da validade do <u>poder geral de cautela</u> dos Tribunais de Contas dos Estados (SS 5658 AgR, Rel. Min. LUÍS ROBERTO BARROSO (Presidente), Tribunal Pleno, DJe 04-04-2024).

      • 2. Incorporou-se em nosso ordenamento jurídico a pacífica doutrina constitucional norte-americana sobre a teoria dos poderes implícitos - inherent powers -, pela qual no exercício de sua missão constitucional enumerada, o órgão executivo deveria dispor de todas as funções necessárias, ainda que implícitas, <u>desde que não expressamente limitadas</u> (Myers v. Estados Unidos US 272 52, 118), consagrando-se, dessa forma, e entre nós aplicável ao Tribunal de Contas da União e, por simetria, aos Tribunais de Contas dos Estados, o reconhecimento de competências genéricas implícitas que possibilitem o exercício de sua missão constitucional, apenas sujeitas às proibições e limites estruturais da Constituição Federal.

        1. O “Tribunal de Contas da União – embora não tenha poder para anular ou sustar contratos administrativos – tem competência, conforme o art. 71, IX, para determinar à autoridade administrativa que promova a anulação do contrato e, se for o caso, da licitação de que se originou” (MS 23.550, Red. p/o acórdão o Min. Sepúlveda Pertence). Igual competência é atribuída ao Tribunal de Contas do Estado do Ceará, na forma do art. 75 da Constituição.
      • 4. Não configura ilegalidade ou abuso de poder o ato do Tribunal de Contas que aplique medidas cautelares, porque relacionada com a competência constitucional implícita para cumprimento de suas atribuições.

      • 5. Agravo Interno a que se dá provimento.

      Observação - Acórdão(s) citado(s): (TRIBUNAL DE CONTAS, PRERROGATIVA, PODER GERAL DE CAUTELA, TEORIA DOS PODERES IMPLÍCITOS) MS 23550 (1ªT), MS 24510 (TP), SS 5658 AgR (TP). (FUNDAMENTAÇÃO, DECISÃO JUDICIAL) AI 791292 QO-RG (TP). (RE, DEVIDO PROCESSO LEGAL, AMPLA DEFESA, CONTRADITÓRIO, LIMITES DA COISA JULGADA) ARE 748371 RG (TP). (RE, INDEFERIMENTO, PRODUÇÃO DE PROVA, OFENSA INDIRETA) ARE 639228 RG (TP). (RE, PRINCÍPIO DA INAFASTABILIDADE DA JURISDIÇÃO, OFENSA INDIRETA, REEXAME, FATO, PROVA) RE 956302 RG (TP). - Decisão estrangeira citada: Caso Myers vs. Estados Unidos, US 272 52, 118, da Suprema Corte dos Estados Unidos. Número de páginas: 16. Análise: 11/08/2025, MAV.

      Partes AGTE.(S) : TRIBUNAL DE CONTAS DO CEARA PROC.(A/S)(ES) : PROCURADOR-GERAL DO TRIBUNAL DE CONTAS DO ESTADO DO CEARÁ PROC.(A/S)(ES) : LÍLIAN DE CASTRO E SILVA MENEZES DO VALE (15518/CE) PROC.(A/S)(ES) : MAYSA CORTEZ CORTEZ (32431/CE) PROC.(A/S)(ES) : TALLITA FALKENSTINS GOIS MENDES CORDEIRO (31661/CE)


      • MS 35920 ED
      • Órgão julgador: Tribunal Pleno
      • Relator(a): Min. GILMAR MENDES
      • Julgamento: 30/10/2023
      • Publicação: 14/11/2023

      EMBARGOS DE DECLARAÇÃO NO MANDADO DE SEGURANÇA. TRIBUNAL DE CONTAS DA UNIÃO. TOMADA DE CONTAS ESPECIAL. DESCONSIDERAÇÃO DA PERSONALIDADE JURÍDICA. POSSIBILIDADE. REQUISITOS LEGAIS OBSERVADOS. AUSÊNCIA DE DIREITO LÍQUIDO E CERTO. DENEGAÇÃO DA SEGURANÇA. AUSÊNCIA DE OMISSÃO, CONTRADIÇÃO, OBSCURIDADE OU ERRO MATERIAL.

      • 1. Os embargos de declaração são cabíveis para sanar a ocorrência de omissão, contradição, obscuridade ou erro material, hipóteses não verificadas no caso dos autos.
      • 2. É legal e constitucionalmente fundada a <u>desconsideração da pessoa jurídica</u> pelo TCU, de modo a alcançar o patrimônio de pessoas físicas ou jurídicas envolvidas na prática de atos lesivos ao erário público, observados o contraditório e a ampla defesa.
      • 3. TCU assentou a existência de indícios de que a impetrante praticou condutas ilegais que consubstanciariam a desconsideração da personalidade jurídica.
      • 4. Feito se encontra em etapa preambular cabendo o exercício exauriente do direito de defesa pelos entes integrados à relação processual, em procedimento sujeito a controle jurisdicional.
      • 5. Embargos de declaração rejeitados.

      Observação - Acórdão(s) citado(s): (TRIBUNAL DE CONTAS, DESCONSIDERAÇÃO DA PERSONALIDADE JURÍDICA) MS 35506 (1ªT). (TEORIA DO ATO ULTRA VIRES) MS 35555 AgR (2ªT). Número de páginas: 16. Análise: 15/04/2024, SOF.

      Indexação TRAMITAÇÃO, TRIBUNAL DE CONTAS DA UNIÃO (TCU), POSSIBILIDADE, APLICAÇÃO, TEORIA DO ATO ULTRA VIRES, RESPONSABILIZAÇÃO, FORMA DIRETA, PESSOA FÍSICA, RESPONSABILIDADE, COMETIMENTO, ATO ILÍCITO. DESCONSIDERAÇÃO DA PERSONALIDADE JURÍDICA, RESERVA DE JURISDIÇÃO. DESCONSIDERAÇÃO DA PERSONALIDADE JURÍDICA, AUSÊNCIA

      Outras ocorrências Partes (1)


      • ARE 1306779 AgR
      • Órgão julgador: Segunda Turma
      • Relator(a): Min. EDSON FACHIN
      • Julgamento: 03/05/2023
      • Publicação: 09/05/2023
      • 2. Ademais, este Supremo Tribunal Federal já assentou a <u>plena possibilidade</u> de a Corte de Contas, no cumprimento de seu mister constitucional, decretar a indisponibilidade de bens e de outras medidas assecuratórias do interesse público, diante de circunstâncias graves que justifiquem a necessidade de proteção efetiva do patrimônio público.
        1. O Plenário também já afirmou a plena possibilidade de que o TCU, orientação que também se aplica às Cortes de Contas Estaduais, determine a aplicação de medidas cautelares, como verdadeira competência constitucional implícita para cumprimento de suas atribuições, nos termos do artigo 71 da Carta Magna.
    1. Synthèse des Outils Numériques et des Procédures Associées au Lycée

      Résumé

      Ce document synthétise l'écosystème des outils numériques utilisés au sein de l'établissement, en se basant sur un tutoriel détaillé.

      L'objectif principal est de clarifier le rôle de chaque plateforme et de fournir un guide pratique pour les parents et les élèves. Le point d'entrée fondamental de cet écosystème est le compte EduConnect, qui sert de clé d'accès unique à la quasi-totalité des services.

      Sans un compte EduConnect fonctionnel, l'accès aux autres outils est impossible.

      Les plateformes principales sont :

      1. EduConnect et les Téléservices : Le portail national pour l'identité numérique, indispensable pour les démarches administratives telles que les demandes de bourses, le paiement de la cantine et la mise à jour des informations personnelles.

      2. Mon Bureau Numérique (MBN) : L'environnement de travail fourni par la Région Grand Est, servant de portail central pour la vie scolaire quotidienne, incluant le cahier de textes, la messagerie, l'agenda et l'accès aux ressources de la classe.

      3. Pronote : Accessible via MBN, cet outil est spécialisé dans le suivi pédagogique : consultation des notes, gestion des absences, emploi du temps mis à jour et prise de rendez-vous pour les rencontres parents-professeurs.

      4. Parcoursup : La plateforme nationale pour l'orientation post-bac, essentielle pour les élèves de Terminale et une ressource d'information cruciale pour les élèves de Seconde et Première.

      5. Outils Complémentaires : Un système de prise de rendez-vous en ligne pour les psychologues de l'Éducation Nationale (PsyEN) et la fourniture de licences Microsoft Office gratuites pour les élèves.

      Un support informatique est disponible en cas de difficulté via l'adresse e-mail X.

      Il est souligné qu'une part significative de parents (600) n'a pas encore activé son compte EduConnect, ce qui les prive d'accès à des services essentiels, notamment le vote pour les représentants des parents d'élèves.

      1. Le Portail EduConnect : La Clé d'Accès Universelle

      EduConnect est le portail d'authentification de l'Éducation Nationale. Il ne s'agit pas d'un outil utilisé au quotidien, mais de la porte d'entrée indispensable à tous les autres services.

      Rôle et Importance

      Identifiant Unique : Fournit un identifiant et un mot de passe uniques pour accéder à la majorité des outils numériques de l'établissement.

      Point de Départ Obligatoire : Si le compte EduConnect ne fonctionne pas, aucun autre service n'est accessible.

      Comptes Multiples : Chaque responsable légal (père, mère, responsable 1 et 2) dispose de son propre compte individuel.

      Activation et Dépannage

      Problème d'Activation : Un constat a été fait que 600 parents n'ont pas activé leur compte, souvent car un seul des deux parents gère le suivi scolaire.

      Cela pose problème, par exemple, pour le vote aux élections des parents d'élèves, où chaque parent peut voter.

      Procédure en cas de problème :

      1. Contacter le support informatique du lycée à l'adresse : X.   

      2. Vérifier le dossier "spam" de sa messagerie, car les e-mails de réinitialisation peuvent y atterrir.   

      3. En dernier recours, l'établissement peut imprimer un document papier avec des identifiants temporaires.

      Complexités Possibles : Des difficultés peuvent survenir en cas de :

      ◦ Plusieurs enfants scolarisés dans différents établissements.    ◦ Homonymes entre parents d'élèves.    ◦ Changement d'académie.

      Mise à jour des e-mails : Le bon fonctionnement du compte dépend de l'exactitude de l'adresse e-mail enregistrée dans la base de données de l'établissement (base Siècle), car c'est par ce biais que sont envoyés les liens de réinitialisation. Actuellement, une quarantaine d'adresses e-mail sont encore erronées sur environ 2800.

      2. Téléservices (Scolarité Services) : La Gestion Administrative

      Accessibles via le compte EduConnect, les Téléservices sont la plateforme pour toutes les démarches administratives numérisées.

      Fonctionnalités Principales

      Demandes de Bourse : Permet de soumettre une demande de bourse en ligne, sans document papier.

      Fiche de Renseignements : Consultation et demande de modification des coordonnées (adresse postale, e-mail, téléphone). Toute modification doit être validée par le secrétariat de l'établissement.

      Paiement de la Demi-Pension :

      ◦ Les factures sont publiées sur cette plateforme (la première vers mi-novembre).   

      ◦ Il est possible de payer chaque facture trimestrielle en deux fois, permettant ainsi un étalement sur six paiements dans l'année.

      La mensualisation complète est envisagée pour l'année suivante.

      Documents Officiels : Téléchargement du certificat de scolarité. Ce document est également disponible sur Pronote.

      Orientation : La plateforme sera utilisée pour les phases d'orientation, notamment pour les élèves de Seconde.

      3. Mon Bureau Numérique (MBN) : L'Espace de Travail Quotidien

      MBN est l'environnement numérique de travail (ENT) fourni par la Région Grand Est. Il s'agit du portail central pour la communication et les informations pédagogiques.

      Accès

      • La connexion s'effectue via les identifiants EduConnect.

      • Après connexion au portail académique, il est nécessaire de sélectionner "Lycée Louis-Vincent" pour accéder à l'espace de l'établissement.

      • Il est conseillé d'ajouter le site MBN aux favoris de son navigateur pour un accès plus rapide et écologique.

      Fonctionnalités Clés pour les Parents

      Cahier de Textes : Permet de consulter le travail à faire donné aux élèves jour par jour, ainsi que le contenu des séances passées.

      Messagerie (Zimbra) :

      ◦ Permet de contacter les enseignants de la classe de son enfant, la direction ou d'autres personnels via un assistant destinataire.   

      Note importante : Le Proviseur (Olivier Palaise) préfère être contacté sur son adresse académique (olivier.palaise@ac-nancy-metz.fr) plutôt que via la messagerie MBN pour des raisons de gestion de flux (recevant entre 100 et 200 e-mails par jour).

      Agenda de l'Établissement : Un calendrier complet des événements du lycée (Fête de la Science, vacances, sessions d'évaluation Pix, etc.).

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    1. Reviewer #3 (Public review):

      Summary:

      IRG1 is highly expressed in activated human and mouse myeloid cells. It encodes the mitochondrial enzyme cis-aconitate decarboxylase 1 (ACOD1) that generates itaconate. Itaconate has anti-microbial activity and acts immunoregulatory by interfering with cellular metabolism, signaling to cytokine production, and multiple other processes.

      The authors perform a phylogenetic analysis of IRG1 to obtain insight into the evolution of itaconate biosynthesis. Combining BLAST with human IRG1 and a MmgE/Ptrp domain search, they find CAD in all domains of life, but the presence of IRG1 homologs is patchy in eukaryotes, indicating that itaconate biosynthesis is not essential. The phylogenetic analysis showed a more distant relationship of fungal and metazoan CAD/IRG1 to many prokaryotic sequences, suggesting independent acquisition of these metazoan and fungal CAD genes. In metazoans, three subbranches of paleo-IRG1 (in mollusks/early chordates) and two paralogous vertebrate forms (IRG1 and IRG1-like) were identified, with the latter derived from paleo-IRG1, and by genome duplication. While most jawed vertebrates have both IRG1 and IRG1L, metatherian and eutherian mammals have lost IRG1L and contain only IRG1.

      Interestingly, sequence analysis of both paralogues showed that many IRG1L genes contain an N-terminal mitochondrial targeting sequence (MTS) that is absent from most IRG1 sequences. Limited proteolysis of submitochondrial localization confirmed that zebrafish IRG1L is only sensitive to proteases in the presence of high Triton X-100, indicative of association with mitochondrial matrix. In contrast, a recent paper from the Galan lab (Lian 2003 Nature Microbiology) reported that human IRG1 is not localized to the mitochondrial matrix, although enriched in mitochondria. Here, the authors generated a matrix-targeted human IRG1 by adding the N-terminal MTS and found that it localizes to the matrix based on a limited proteolysis assay. The loss of MTS-containing IRG1L from most mammals appears, therefore, to indicate that itaconate generation is directed to the cytoplasm, potentially reducing inhibition of TCA cycle activity in the mitochondria.

      Next, the authors confirmed that the recombinant IRG1L protein has CAD activity in vitro. The last part of the manuscript addresses the expression of paleo-IRG1 in oysters and amphioxus, where they found high mRNA levels in oyster hemocytes which was further increased by poly(I:C), which was also the case in amphioxus tissues after feeding of LPS or poly(I:C), indicating a role for paleo-IRG1/itaconate in early metazoan innate immunity.

      Strengths

      (1) Phylogenetic perspective largely lacking so far in the IRG1/itaconate field.

      (2) Manuscript clearly written and understandable across disciplines.

      (3) Phylogenetic analyses complemented by biochemical and gene expression analyses to link to function.

      (4) Lack of MTS in IRG1 and change in localization from mitochondria, highly relevant antimicrobial and cellular effects of itaconate.

      Weaknesses:

      (1) Biochemical and functional analysis of different CAD mRNA and proteins lacks depth.

      (2) The submitochondrial localization assay lacks a native human IRG1 control.

      (3) CAD activity shown for IRG1L but not paleo-IRG1.

      (4) Itaconate production by early metazoans after PAMP stimulation?

      (5) No measurement of energy metabolism (trade-offs?).

      I acknowledge that some of these limitations are inevitable because the range of detailed experimental analysis is necessarily limited. However, some of these data would be important to support central claims of the manuscript (further discussed below).

    2. Author response:

      Reviewer #1 (Public review): 

      Summary: 

      The taxonomic analysis of IRG1 evolution is compelling and fills an important gap in the literature. However, the experimental evidence for IRG1 localization requires greater detail and confirmation. 

      Strengths: 

      The phylogenetic analysis of IRG1 evolution fills an important gap in the literature. The identification of independent acquisition of metazoan and fungal IRG1 from prokaryotic sources is novel, and the observation that human IRG1 lost mitochondrial matrix localization is particularly interesting, with potentially significant implications for the study of itaconate biology. 

      We thank the reviewer for appreciating the novelty of our study in exploring IRG1 evolution.  

      Weaknesses: 

      The protease protection assay was conducted with MTS-IRG1 but not with wild-type IRG1, which should also be tested. Moreover, no complementary methods, such as microscopy, were employed to validate localization. Beyond humans, the structure and localization of mouse IRG1, highly relevant given the widespread use of the mouse as a model for IRG1 functional studies, are not addressed. 

      Regarding submitochondrial localization of IRG1, we want to draw attention to the published data that a protease protection assay for wild-type mammalian IRG1 has been performed by Lian et al. 2023 (Extended Data Fig. 4), which convincingly demonstrated an outer-mitochondrial membrane localization of endogenous mouse IRG1 in mouse DC2.4 cells upon LPS stimulation that induces IRG1 expression. 

      Regarding complementary microscopy evidence, the same paper performed two-color,  DNA-paint super-resolution imaging to demonstrate an enrichment of IRG1 to mitochondria with a lack of co-localization of the inner membrane/matrix marker Cox IV. 

      Given the direct visualization of sub-mitochondrial localization, we consider applying super-resolution microscopy to revisit the sub-mitochondrial localization of di[erent IRG1 constructs in the study.   

      Reference:

      Lian H, Park D, Chen M, Schueder F, Lara-Tejero M, Liu J, Galán JE. Parkinson's disease kinase LRRK2 coordinates a cell-intrinsic itaconate-dependent defence pathway against intracellular Salmonella. Nat Microbiol. 2023 Oct;8(10):1880-1895. doi: 10.1038/s41564-023-01459-y. Epub 2023 Aug 28. PMID: 37640963; PMCID: PMC10962312.

      Finally, if itaconate is indeed synthesized outside the mitochondrial matrix to safeguard metabolic activity, it is not discussed how this reconciles with its reported inhibitory e[ect on SDH. 

      We thank the excellent point raised by the reviewer. Indeed, itaconate has been proposed to inhibit matrix SDH exhibiting anti-inflammation function (Lampropoulou, Cell Metab 2016). While the mitochondrial transport of itaconate has not been fully characterized in vivo or in cells, a specific itaconate transport activity has been shown for the mitochondrial 2-oxoglutarate transporter OGC using in vitro proteoliposome system (Mills et al. Nature 2018). 

      We plan to discuss this important point on mitochondrial itaconate transport in the revision. 

      Reference: 

      Lampropoulou V, Sergushichev A, Bambouskova M, Nair S, Vincent EE, Loginicheva E, Cervantes-Barragan L, Ma X, Huang SC, Griss T, Weinheimer CJ, Khader S, Randolph GJ, Pearce EJ, Jones RG, Diwan A, Diamond MS, Artyomov MN. Itaconate Links Inhibition of Succinate Dehydrogenase with Macrophage Metabolic Remodeling and Regulation of Inflammation. Cell Metab. 2016 Jul 12;24(1):158-66. doi: 10.1016/j.cmet.2016.06.004. Epub 2016 Jun 30. PMID: 27374498; PMCID: PMC5108454.  

      Mills EL, Ryan DG, Prag HA, Dikovskaya D, Menon D, Zaslona Z, Jedrychowski MP, Costa ASH, Higgins M, Hams E, Szpyt J, Runtsch MC, King MS, McGouran JF, Fischer R, Kessler BM, McGettrick AF, Hughes MM, Carroll RG, Booty LM, Knatko EV, Meakin PJ, Ashford MLJ, Modis LK, Brunori G, Sévin DC, Fallon PG, Caldwell ST, Kunji ERS, Chouchani ET, Frezza C, Dinkova-Kostova AT, Hartley RC, Murphy MP, O'Neill LA. Itaconate is an anti-inflammatory metabolite that activates Nrf2 via alkylation of KEAP1. Nature. 2018 Apr 5;556(7699):113117. doi: 10.1038/nature25986. Epub 2018 Mar 28. PMID: 29590092; PMCID: PMC6047741.

      Reviewer #2 (Public review): 

      Summary: 

      The authors are trying to explain how the metabolite itaconate evolved, since although it's involved in host defense, it can also limit mitochondrial function. They are trying to probe the trade-o[ between these two functions. 

      Strengths: 

      The evolutionary aspect is novel; this is the first time to my knowledge that the evolution of IRG1 has been analysed, and there are interesting findings here. The key finding appears to be that subcellular localisation is an important aspect, allowing host defense in some organisms without compromising bioenergetics. This is an interesting finding in the context of immunomebolism, although it needs extra analysis. 

      Weaknesses: 

      The work concerning sub-mitochondrial localisation is confusing and needs better analysis. 

      We thank the reviewer for the constructive feedback. As in our response to reviewer 1, we want to draw attention to the published data in which the outer mitochondrial membrane localization of IRG1 has been demonstrated by protease protection assay and explored using super-resolution imaging by Lian et al. 2023 (Extended Data Fig. 4). Given the direct visualization of sub-mitochondrial localization by super-resolution imaging, we plan to revisit and to apply the method to di[erent IRG1 constructs used in the paper.

      Reviewer #3 (Public review): 

      Summary: 

      IRG1 is highly expressed in activated human and mouse myeloid cells. It encodes the mitochondrial enzyme cis-aconitate decarboxylase 1 (ACOD1) that generates itaconate. Itaconate has anti-microbial activity and acts immunoregulatory by interfering with cellular metabolism, signaling to cytokine production, and multiple other processes. 

      The authors perform a phylogenetic analysis of IRG1 to obtain insight into the evolution of itaconate biosynthesis. Combining BLAST with human IRG1 and a MmgE/Ptrp domain search, they find CAD in all domains of life, but the presence of IRG1 homologs is patchy in eukaryotes, indicating that itaconate biosynthesis is not essential. The phylogenetic analysis showed a more distant relationship of fungal and metazoan CAD/IRG1 to many prokaryotic sequences, suggesting independent acquisition of these metazoan and fungal CAD genes. In metazoans, three subbranches of paleo-IRG1 (in mollusks/early chordates) and two paralogous vertebrate forms (IRG1 and IRG1-like) were identified, with the latter derived from paleo-IRG1, and by genome duplication. While most jawed vertebrates have both IRG1 and IRG1L, metatherian and eutherian mammals have lost IRG1L and contain only IRG1. 

      Interestingly, sequence analysis of both paralogues showed that many IRG1L genes contain an N-terminal mitochondrial targeting sequence (MTS) that is absent from most IRG1 sequences. Limited proteolysis of submitochondrial localization confirmed that zebrafish IRG1L is only sensitive to proteases in the presence of high Triton X-100, indicative of association with mitochondrial matrix. In contrast, a recent paper from the Galan lab (Lian 2003 Nature Microbiology) reported that human IRG1 is not localized to the mitochondrial matrix, although enriched in mitochondria. Here, the authors generated a matrix-targeted human IRG1 by adding the N-terminal MTS and found that it localizes to the matrix based on a limited proteolysis assay. The loss of MTS-containing IRG1L from most mammals appears, therefore, to indicate that itaconate generation is directed to the cytoplasm, potentially reducing inhibition of TCA cycle activity in the mitochondria. 

      Next, the authors confirmed that the recombinant IRG1L protein has CAD activity in vitro. The last part of the manuscript addresses the expression of paleo-IRG1 in oysters and amphioxus, where they found high mRNA levels in oyster hemocytes which was further increased by poly(I:C), which was also the case in amphioxus tissues after feeding of LPS or poly(I:C), indicating a role for paleo-IRG1/itaconate in early metazoan innate immunity. 

      Strengths 

      (1) Phylogenetic perspective largely lacking so far in the IRG1/itaconate field. 

      (2) Manuscript clearly written and understandable across disciplines. 

      (3) Phylogenetic analyses complemented by biochemical and gene expression analyses to link to function. 

      (4) Lack of MTS in IRG1 and change in localization from mitochondria, highly relevant antimicrobial and cellular e[ects of itaconate. 

      We thank the reviewer for the positive comments with the strengths.  

      Weaknesses: 

      (1) Biochemical and functional analysis of di[erent CAD mRNA and proteins lacks depth. 

      We plan to explore two types of experiments: 

      First, we plan to purify di[erent CAD recombinant proteins; and if successful, we will test their in vitro enzymatic activity in synthesize itaconate. The positive data will also answer question (3) below.

      Second, we plan to measure itaconate level in oyster hemocytes after PAMP stimulation, to demonstrate an in vivo itaconate production activity by paleo-IRG1. The data will also address question (4) below. 

      (2) The submitochondrial localization assay lacks a native human IRG1 control. 

      As in our response to reviewer 1, we believe Lian et al. 2023. provided strong evidence supporting an outer mitochondrial membrane localization of wild-type endogenous, mouse IRG1. Given the direct visualization using suer-resolution imaging, we plan to revisit submitochondrial localization of di[erent IRG1 constructs using super-resolution imaging. 

      (3) CAD activity shown for IRG1L but not paleo-IRG1. 

      We plan to purify di[erent CAD recombinant proteins; and if successful, we will test their in vitro enzymatic activity in producing itaconate.

      (4) Itaconate production by early metazoans after PAMP stimulation? 

      We plan to measure itaconate level in oyster hemocytes after PAMP stimulation, to demonstrate an in vivo itaconate production activity by paleo-IRG1.

      (5) No measurement of energy metabolism (trade-o[s?). 

      Because PAMP signaling might trigger other downstream e[ects that also impair mitochondrial function, for instance nitric oxide that inhibits complex IV, we plan to avoid PAMP condition and direct test the e[ect of itaconate production. We plan to compare the impact on mitochondrial bioenergetics, if the same CAD enzymes (thus with the same activity) can be expressed at the same level intra-mitochondrially and extramitochondrially, for instance in the case of MTS-hACOD1 and hACOD1.

    1. Reviewer #1 (Public review):

      Summary:

      This paper investigates whether transformer-based models can represent sentence-level semantics in a human-like way. The authors designed a set of 108 sentences specifically to dissociate lexical semantics from sentence-level information and collected 7T fMRI data from 30 participants reading these sentences. They conducted representational similarity analysis (RSA) comparing brain data and model representations, as well as the human behavioral ratings. It is found that transformer-based models match brain representation better than a static word embedding baseline, which ignores word order, but fall short of models that encode the structural relations between words. The main contributions of this paper are:

      (1) The construction of a sentence set that disentangles sentence structure from word meaning.

      (2) A comprehensive comparison of neural sentence representations (via fMRI), human behavior, and multiple computational models at the sentence level.

      Strengths:

      (1) The paper evaluates a wide variety of models, including layer-wise analysis for transformers and region-wise analysis in the human brain.

      (2) The stimulus design allows precise dissociation between lexical and sentence-level semantics. The RSA-based approach is empirically sound and intuitive.

      (3) The constructed sentences, along with the fMRI and behavioral data, represent a valuable resource for studying sentence representation.

      Weaknesses:

      (1) The rationale behind averaging sentence embeddings across multiple transformer models (with different architectures and training objectives) is unclear. These transformer-based models have different training paradigms and model architectures, which may result in misaligned semantic spaces. The averaging operation may dilute the distinct sentence representations learned by each model, potentially weakening the overall semantic encoding for sentences. Please clarify this choice or cite supporting methodology.

      (2) All structure-sensitive models discussed incorporate semantics to some extent. Including a purely syntactic baseline, such as a model based on context-free grammar, would help confirm the importance of syntactic structures.

      (3) In Figure 2, human behavioral judgments show weak correlations with neural data, and even fall below those of computational models, suggesting the behavioral judgments may not reflect the sentence structures in a brain-like way. This discrepancy between behavioral and neural data should be clarified, as it affects the interpretation of the results.

      (4) To better contextualize model and neural performance, sentence similarity should be anchored to a notion of semantic "ground truth", such as the matrix shown in Figure 1a. Comparing this reference with human judgments, brain responses, and model similarities would help establish an upper bound.

      (5) The structure of this paper is confusing. For instance, Figure 5 is cited early but appears much later. Reordering sections and figures would enhance readability.

      (6) While the analysis is broad and comprehensive, it lacks depth in some respects. For instance, it remains unclear what specific insights are gained from comparing across brain regions (e.g., whole brain, language network, and other subregions). Similarly, the results of simple-average and group-average RSA appear quite similar and may not advance the interpretation.

      (7) While explaining the grid-like pattern due to sentence length is important, this part feels somewhat disconnected from the central question of this paper (word order). It might be better placed in supplementary material.

    2. Reviewer #2 (Public review):

      Summary:

      The paper used fMRI data while reading a set of sentences. The sentences are designed to disentangle syntax from meaning. RSA was performed using voxel activations and a variety of language models. The results show that transformers are inferior to models with explicit syntactic representation in terms of matching brain representations.

      Strengths:

      (1) The study controls for some variables that allow for an investigation of sentence structure in the brain. This controlled setting has an advantage over naturalistic stimuli in targeting more specific linguistic phenomena.

      (2) The study combines fMRI data with behavioral similarity ratings and a variety of language models (static, transformers, graph-based models).

      Weaknesses:

      (1) The stimuli are not fully controlled for lexical content across conditions. Residual lexical differences between sentences could still influence both brain and model similarity patterns. To more cleanly isolate syntactic effects, it would be useful to systematically vary only a single structural element while keeping all other lexical content constant (e.g., the boy kicked the ball / the ball kicked the boy). It would be better to engage more with the minimal pair paradigm, which is widely used in large language model probing research.

      (2) The comparisons are done across fundamentally different model types, including static embeddings, graph-based parsers, and transformers. The inherent differences in dimensionality and training objectives might make the conclusion drawn from RSA inconclusive. Transformer embeddings typically occupy much higher-dimensional, anisotropic representational spaces, and their similarity structure may reflect richer, more heterogeneous information than models explicitly encoding semantic roles. A lower RSA correlation in this study does not necessarily imply that transformers fail to encode syntactic information; rather, they may represent additional aspects of meaning or context that diverge from the narrow structural contrasts probed here.

      (3) The interpretation of the RSA correlation largely depends on the understanding of models. The authors suggest that because hybrid models correlate better than transformers, this implies that transformers are inferior at representing syntax. However, this is not a direct test of syntactic ability. Transformers may encode syntactic information, but it may not be expressed in a way that aligns with the RSA paradigm or the chosen stimuli. RSA does not reveal what the model encodes, and the models might achieve a good correlation for non-syntactic reasons (e.g., length of sentence, orthographic similarity, lexical features).

    3. Reviewer #3 (Public review):

      Summary:

      Large Language Models have revolutionized Artificial Intelligence and can now match or surpass human language abilities on many tasks. This has fueled interest in cognitive neuroscience in exposing representational similarities between Language Models and brain recordings of language comprehension. The current study breaks from this mold by: (1) Systematically identifying sentence structures for which brain and Large Language Model representations diverge. (2) Demonstrating that brain representations for these sentences can be better accounted for by a model structured by the semantic roles of words in the sentence. As such, the study may now fuel interest in characterizing how Large Language Models and brain representations differ, which may prompt new, more brain-like language models.

      Strengths:

      (1) This study presents a bold and solid challenge to a literature trend that has touted similarities between Transformer models and human cognition based on representational correlations with brain activity. This challenge is substantiated by identifying sentences for which brain and model representations of sentences diverge and explaining those divergences using models structured by semantic roles/syntax.

      (2) This study conducts a rigorous pre-registered analysis of a comprehensive selection of the state-of-the-art Large Language Models, on a controlled sentence comprehension fMRI dataset. The analysis is conducted within a Representation Similarity framework to support similarity comparisons between graph structures and brain activity without needing to vectorize graphs. Transformer models are predicted and shown to diverge from brain representations on subsets of sentences with similar word-level content but different sentence structures.

      (3) The study introduces a 7T fMRI sentence comprehension dataset and accompanying human sentence similarity ratings, which may be a fruitful resource for developing more human-like language models. Unlike other model-based sentence datasets, the relation between grammatical structure and word-level content is controlled, and subsets of sentences for which models and brains diverge are identified.

      Weaknesses:

      (1) The interpretation of findings is nuanced. Although Transformers underperform as brain models on the critical subsets of controlled sentences, a Transformer outperforms all other models when evaluated on the union of all sentences when both word-level content and structure vary. Transformers also yield equivalent or better models of human behavioral data. Thus, although Transformers have demonstrable flaws as human models, which are pinpointed here, in the general case, (some) Transformers are more human-like than the other models considered.

      (2) There may be confounds between the critical sentence structure manipulations and visual representations of sentence stimuli. This is inconvenient because activation in brain regions that process semantics tends to partially correlate with visual cortex representations, and computational models tend to reflect the number of words/tokens/elements in sentences. Although the study commendably controls for confounds associated with sentence length, there could still be residual effects that remain. For instance, the Graph model correlates most strongly with the visual cortex despite these sentence length controls.

      (3) Sentence similarity computations are emphasized as the basis for unifying comparative analyses of graph structures and vector data. A strength of this approach is that correlation is not always the ideal similarity metric. However, a weakness is that similarity computations are not unified across models. This has practical consequences here because different similarity metrics applied to the same model produce positive or negative correlations with brain data.

    4. Author response:

      We thank the reviewers for their insightful comments on our manuscript. Here we briefly highlight our responses to several issues raised by reviewers, and also provide a summary of planned changes to be made with the next draft.

      Reviewer 1:

      (1) The reviewer questions the rationale for averaging sentence embeddings across different models. However, our method involves computing correlations separately for each model, then averaging the correlations. We also report model correlations for each model separately in Fig S2. We will clarify this in our revised manuscript.

      (2) We agree with the reviewer that including a context-free grammar model as a comparison would be informative. We will incorporate this in the revised manuscript.

      (3) The reviewer raises questions about the low correlation between behavioural and brain similarities. While the behavioural judgements are made by different participants and involve a different task than the neuroimaging results, nonetheless we agree the difference is surprising and warrants more detailed consideration. We will provide additional discussion of the relationship between behavioural judgements and brain data in the revised manuscript.

      (4) The reviewer suggests contrasting our models with a ‘semantic ground truth’, as in our design matrix shown in Fig 1. While our design matrix served as the basis for constructing a set of stimuli with systematic modifications, we respectfully suggest that it should not be regarded as a ‘semantic ground truth’. In particular, sentence pairs within each category will not have the same degrees of semantic similarity since the words and context differ across sentences in a graded manner. Furthermore, while we anticipated ‘different’ sentence pairs would be less similar than ‘swapped’ sentence pairs, and that within each of the six block diagonals the ‘modified’ or ‘substituted’ sentence pairs would be the most similar, we did not have any prediction about the magnitude of these differences. Our goal was to construct a set of sentence pairs which spanned a range of semantic similarities, and allowed for dissociation between lexical similarity and overall similarity in meaning. The design matrix is not intended to represent a ‘ground truth’ that human judgements or brain representations would be expected to conform with.

      (5) In the revised draft we will modify the location of Fig. 5 so that it flows better with the text.

      (6) We agree that the discussion of the differences between brain regions could be expanded. We will include this in the revised version of our manuscript. The reviewer questions our inclusion of the simple-average and group-average RSA analysis as they show similar results. We included both analyses in line with our preregistration, and also because we believe the fact that two distinct approaches to analyzing the data yield similar results strengthens our conclusions.

      (7) We believe that the grid-like pattern in the RSA results is an important unexpected finding that warrants discussion in the main manuscript.

      Reviewer 2:

      (1) The reviewer argues that our stimuli do not fully control for lexical content across conditions, and that a more appropriate paradigm may be to utilise minimal pairs in which only a single variable of interest (such as sentence structure) is modified. We agree that most of our sentence pairs do not constitute minimal pairs, however this was not our objective. Our study design aimed to synthesise traditional minimal pair approaches with more recent research paradigms using naturalistic stimuli. As such, we selected stimuli which are more complex and contain more variable features than traditional minimal pair studies, but which also are tailored to highlight differences which are of particular theoretical interest. Because we are interested in comparing the effects of multiple sentence elements and semantic roles, a systematic pairwise comparison of minimal pairs is not necessarily optimal. Instead, we designed our stimuli to leverage the advantage of fMRI in that we can measure the brain representations corresponding to each sentence, and hence can conduct a full series of pairwise comparisons of sentence representations. Most of these comparisons will not be between minimal pairs, but we selected sentences so as to provide a range of semantic similarities (low to high), while also providing for semantic contrasts of theoretical interest (such as the ‘swapped’ and ‘substituted’ sentence pairs). We do not claim this approach to be universally superior to a minimal pair approach, but we do believe our novel approach provides additional insights and a new perspective on semantic representation relative to minimal pair studies. We will add additional detail in the revised manuscript providing additional explanation for how stimuli were chosen, and contrasting this with minimal pair approaches.

      (2) The reviewer notes that low RSA correlations do not imply that transformers fail to encode syntactic information. We acknowledge this in our discussion (page 10), where we also highlight that our focus is not on whether transformers encode such information, but rather what transformer representations can tell us about how sentence structure is represented in the brain. Our results indicate that transformer embeddings do not have the same geometric properties as brain representations of sentence meaning, at least for certain types of sentences where lexical information is insufficient to determine overall meaning. The reviewer also notes that transformer embeddings are highly anisotropic, however we adjust for this by normalising each feature as discussed on page 14. Finally, the reviewer notes that the transformers we examine differ in architecture and training objectives. This is not critical for our study because we are not seeking to determine which architecture or training objectives are best. Our goal is simply to compare a range of approaches and see which, if any, have similar sentence representations to those formed by the brain. In fact, our results indicate that architecture and training regime make relatively little difference for our stimuli.

      (3) The reviewer argues that RSA correlations do not measure the extent to which a model encodes syntactic information. This is very similar to the previous point. We do not claim that our results show that transformers do not encode syntactic information. Rather, our claim is that sentence embeddings derived from transformers have different geometric properties to brain representations, and that brain representations are better described by models explicitly representing key semantic roles. From this we conclude that, at least for the sentences we present, the brain is highly sensitive to semantic roles in a way that transformer representations are not (at least to the same extent). We also respectfully disagree with the reviewer’s suggestions that sentence length and orthographic or lexical similarities may drive model correlations with brain activity. As we discuss on page 19, we explicitly control for differences in sentence length when computing correlations. Our process for constructing our sentence set also controls for lexical similarity by generating pairs of sentences with all or mostly the same words but different orderings. We did not explicitly address orthographic similarity, but this will be strongly correlated with lexical similarity.

      Reviewer 3:

      (1) The reviewer emphasises the need for nuance in our conclusions, given that some of the transformers achieve higher correlations when assessed over the full set of sentences. We agree with this comment, and will modify the discussion section in the revised manuscript to address this point. Having said that, we would like to note one of the disadvantages of transformers as a model of mind or brain representations is that they are largely a ‘black box’ whose workings are poorly understood. One advantage of hybrid models like our simple semantic role model is that they can be much easier to interpret, thereby enabling them to be used to determine which features are most important for brain representations of sentence meaning, and what mechanisms are used to combine individual words into a full sentence. Given their relative simplicity and interpretability, we believe hybrid models have considerable value as scientific tools, even in cases where they achieve comparable correlations to transformers. We will highlight this issue more clearly in our revised manuscript.

      (2) The reviewer notes that despite our existing controls, residual confounds of sentence length may remain. We agree that this is a potential issue, and will add discussion to the revised manuscript. We also will present further supplementary analyses which we believe indicate that sentence length effects do not drive our main results. At the same time, we believe the fact that our results are robust to simultaneously controlling for sentence length and the ‘minimum length effect’ (Fig. S5) indicates they are not primarily driven by sentence length effects.

      (3) The reviewer notes that the method for computing similarities differs between the vector-based (mean and transformer) models, and the hybrid and syntax-based models, thereby potentially adding an additional confound to our results. We agree that this is a potential limitation, and our correlations should always be understood as applying to a model paired with a similarity metric. However, we believe that this is mostly unavoidable when comparing different formalisms. An alterative approach of first embedding a graph into a vector and then training an encoding model on the graph embeddings has a similar limitation of being dependent not just on the graph representation, but also on the way it was embedded into a vector and the way the encoding model was trained. Arguably this process is more opaque than similarity methods, since it is unclear to what extent the graph embeddings preserve the logic and properties of a graph-based representation. Further, it not clear whether there is any single method which can overcome the difficulty of comparing distinct formalisms for representing semantics. The reviewer also highlights how the correlations measured for the syntax model differ greatly depending on whether the Smatch or WWLK similarity metrics are used. We believe this highlights the need for careful examination of commonly used graph similarity metrics, as has been noted in previous research. We will include additional discussion of this issue in our revised manuscript.

    1. Reviewer #1 (Public review):

      The authors describe a new computational pipeline designed to identify smFISH probes with improved RNA detection compared to preexisting approaches. smFISH is a powerful and relatively straightforward technique to detect single RNAs in cells at subcellular resolution, which is critical for understanding gene expression regulation at the RNA level. However, existing methods for designing smFISH oligos suffer from several limitations, including off-target binding that produces high background signals, as well as a restricted number of probes that are sufficiently specific to target shorter-than-average mRNAs. To address these challenges, the authors developed TrueProbes, a computational method that aims to minimize off-target-mediated background fluorescence.

      Overall, the study addresses a technically relevant problem. If improved, this would allow researchers to study gene expression regulation more effectively using single-molecule FISH. However, based on the current presentation of data, it is not yet clear that TrueProbes offers significant advantages over preexisting pipelines. In the following section, I describe some concerns, which should be adequately addressed.

      Major Comments:

      (1) The manuscript currently presents only one example in which different pipelines were tested to generate probes (targeting ARF4). While the images suggest that both TrueProbes and Stellaris outperform the other pipelines, the comparison is potentially misleading because the number of probes used differs substantially. I recommend that the authors include at least three independent examples in which an equal number of probes are designed across pipelines, so that signal-to-noise can be assessed in a controlled and comparable way. This would allow the probe number to be held constant while directly evaluating performance.

      (2) It is also unclear how many biological replicates were performed for the ARF4 experiments. If only a single replicate was included, it is difficult to conclude that TrueProbes consistently outperforms other pipelines in a robust and reproducible manner. I suggest the authors include data from at least three biological replicates with appropriate statistical analysis, and ideally extend this to additional smFISH targets as outlined in Comment 1.

      (3) No controls are presented to demonstrate that the TrueProbes-designed smFISH spots are specifically detecting ARF4. The current experiment primarily measures signal-to-noise, but it remains possible that some detected spots do not correspond to ARF4 mRNAs. Since one of the major criteria used by TrueProbes is to limit cross-hybridization, the authors should perform ARF4 knockdown experiments and demonstrate that nearly all ARF4 smFISH signal is lost. A similar approach should be applied to the additional examples recommended in Comment 1.

      (4) In the limitations of the study, the authors note that "RNA secondary and tertiary structures are not included, which may lead to inaccuracies if binding sites are structurally occluded." However, I am not convinced that this is a true limitation, since formamide in the smFISH protocol should denature secondary structures and allow oligo access to the RNA. I recommend that the authors comment on this point and clarify whether secondary structure poses a practical limitation in smFISH probe design.

      (5) The authors also correctly acknowledge in their limitations that "RNA-protein interactions, which can modulate accessibility of the transcript, are not modeled." I suggest referencing relevant studies on this issue, particularly Buxbaum et al. (2014, Science), which would provide important context.

    2. Reviewer #2 (Public review):

      Summary:

      Hughes et al present a new single-molecule RNA fluorescence in situ hybridization (smFISH) probe design software, termed "TrueProbes" in this manuscript. They claim that all existing smFISH (and variants) probe design software packages have limitations that ultimately impact experimental performance. The author's claim to address the majority of these limitations in TrueProbes by introducing multiple computational steps to ensure high-quality probe design. The manuscript's goal is clear, and the authors provide some evidence by designing and targeting one gene. Overall, the manuscript lacks rigorous evidence to support the claims, does not demonstrate its suitability for a variety of smFISH-type experiments, and some of the provided quantification data are unclear. While TrueProbes clearly has potential, more data is required, or the authors should tone down the claims.

      Strengths:

      (1) The problem is well-articulated in the abstract and the introduction.

      (2) Figures 3 and 4 follow a consistent color scheme where each probe design method has its own color, which helps the reader visually compare methods.

      (3) The authors compared multiple probe design software packages both computationally and experimentally.

      (4) TrueProbes does produce visually and quantitatively better results when compared to 2 of the 4 existing smFISH probe design packages (Paintshop and MERFISH panel designer).

      (5) The authors introduce a comprehensive steady-state thermodynamic model to help optimally guide probe design.

      Weaknesses:

      (1) The abstract describes the problem well and introduces the solution (the TrueProbes software), but fails to provide specific ways in which the TrueProbes software performs better. The authors state that "...[TrueProbes] consistently outperformed alternatives across multiple computational metrics and experimental validation assays", but specific, quantitative evidence of improved performance would strengthen the statement.

      (2) The text claims that TrueProbes outperforms all other probe design software, but Figure 3 indicates that TrueProbes has neither the greatest number of on-target binding nor the lowest number of off-target binding. The data in Figure 3 does not support the claims made in the text. Specifically, the authors claim that "RNA FISH Experimental Results Demonstrate that Off Target and Binding Affinity Inclusive Probe Design Improve RNA FISH Signal Discrimination" (lines 217-218). However, despite their claim that Stellaris and Oligostan-HT produce more off-target probes when evaluated with the TrueProbes framework, the experiment results are nearly identical. The authors should consider modifying their claims or performing new experiments that more clearly demonstrate their claims.

      (3) The bar graphs in Figure 3 do not seem to agree with the probability graphs in Figure 4. For example, Figure 3 indicates that Stellaris probes have higher off-target binding than TrueProbes; however, in Figure 4, their probability graphs lie almost on top of each other.

      (4) The authors performed validation for only one gene (ARF4), because "...it had the highest gene expression (in TPM units) and the fewest isoforms among all candidate genes for the Jurkat cell line" (lines 176-177). While the results do look good, this is a minimal use case and does not really showcase the power of their method. One experiment that could be helpful would be two-color (or more) smFISH in tissue, where the chances for off-target binding contributing to higher errors are much greater than in an adherent cell line.

      (5) A common strategy for both smFISH and highly multiplexed methods is to use secondary DNA oligos with dye molecules instead of direct conjugation. Given that this is a primary design goal of PaintSHOP and the Zhuang lab's MERFISH probe design code, it would be helpful to demonstrate that TrueProbes can design a two-layer probe strategy for high-quality RNA-FISH labeling.

      (6) The authors claim, "For every probe set, TrueProbes can simulate expected smRNA FISH outcomes including optimal probe, RNA, and salt concentrations and optionally account for probe secondary structure, hybridization temperature, multiple targets, fluorophore choice, DNA, nascent RNA, and photon count statistics (Figures S2A, S2B). The model can be used to generate predictions for temperature and cell line sensitivity, multi-target discrimination, multiple fluorophore colocalization; when provided transcript expression levels and probe/background intensity, it can start to generate predictions for spot intensity, background, signal to noise ratio, and false negative rates (Figure S2C)." (lines 156-163). Figure S2 is a flow chart and does not provide evidence for any of these items. The authors should provide evidence for these claims, either as a figure or an example script in their software repository. If that is not possible, then it should be removed.

      (7) All thermodynamic equations are performed at steady state. The authors do not justify this assumption, and there is no discussion of the potential impacts of either low molecule numbers or violations of the well-mixed assumption. Can the authors please include a discussion on the potential impacts non non-steady state dynamics?

    3. Reviewer #3 (Public review):

      Summary:

      This manuscript introduces a new platform termed "TrueProbes" for designing mRNA FISH probes. In comparison to existing design strategies, the authors incorporate a comprehensive thermodynamic and kinetic model to account for probe states that may contribute to nonspecific background. The authors validate their design pipeline using Jurkat cells and provide evidence of improved probe performance.

      Strengths:

      A notable strength of TrueProbes is the consideration of genome-wide binding affinities, which aims to minimize off-target signals. The work will be of interest to researchers employing mRNA FISH in certain human cell lines.

      Weaknesses:

      However, in my view, the experimental validation is not sufficient to justify the broad claims of the platform. Given the number of assumptions in the model, additional experimental comparisons across probe design methods, ideally targeting transcripts with different expression levels, would be necessary to establish the general superiority of this approach.

    4. Author response:

      Reviewer #1 (Public Review):

      The authors describe a new computational pipeline designed to identify smFISH probes with improved RNA detection compared to preexisting approaches. smFISH is a powerful and relatively straightforward technique to detect single RNAs in cells at subcellular resolution, which is critical for understanding gene expression regulation at the RNA level. However, existing methods for designing smFISH oligos suffer from several limitations, including off-target binding that produces high background signals, as well as a restricted number of probes that are sufficiently specific to target shorter-than-average mRNAs. To address these challenges, the authors developed TrueProbes, a computational method that aims to minimize off-target-mediated background fluorescence.

      Overall, the study addresses a technically relevant problem. If improved, this would allow researchers to study gene expression regulation more effectively using single-molecule FISH. However, based on the current presentation of data, it is not yet clear that TrueProbes offers significant advantages over preexisting pipelines. In the following section, I describe some concerns, which should be adequately addressed.

      Major Comments:

      (1) The manuscript currently presents only one example in which different pipelines were tested to generate probes (targeting ARF4). While the images suggest that both TrueProbes and Stellaris outperform the other pipelines, the comparison is potentially misleading because the number of probes used differs substantially. I recommend that the authors include at least three independent examples in which an equal number of probes are designed across pipelines, so that signal-to-noise can be assessed in a controlled and comparable way. This would allow the probe number to be held constant while directly evaluating performance.

      This is an important observation. We have already addressed this issue in Figures 3E-G and Supplementary Figure 4E-G, where we plotted the number of OFF-targets for each ON-target probe. If we select longer genes to ensure an equal number of designed probes with strong signals, we will still end up with the same number of ON-target probes. Consequently, Figures 3B-D and 3E-G would show similar trends, albeit with different values on the y-axis. Additionally, we will conduct an analysis using Stellaris at its highest probe design stringency setting to compare the software under its strictest design conditions. Additional experiments are outside the scope of the current manuscript.

      (2) It is also unclear how many biological replicates were performed for the ARF4 experiments. If only a single replicate was included, it is difficult to conclude that TrueProbes consistently outperforms other pipelines in a robust and reproducible manner. I suggest the authors include data from at least three biological replicates with appropriate statistical analysis, and ideally extend this to additional smFISH targets as outlined in Comment 1.

      Three biological replicates were utilized for the ARF4 experiments. As stated in the original submission, the average data from all three replicates is presented in Figure 4, while the data for each individual replicate can be found in Figure S5. Statistical analyses were conducted for both the pooled data in Figure 4 and the individual data in Figure S5. The results of all statistical calculations are detailed in Supplemental Table 1. We will update the text to clearly indicate the number of biological replicates and the outcomes of the statistical analysis.

      (3) No controls are presented to demonstrate that the TrueProbes-designed smFISH spots are specifically detecting ARF4. The current experiment primarily measures signal-to-noise, but it remains possible that some detected spots do not correspond to ARF4 mRNAs. Since one of the major criteria used by TrueProbes is to limit cross-hybridization, the authors should perform ARF4 knockdown experiments and demonstrate that nearly all ARF4 smFISH signal is lost. A similar approach should be applied to the additional examples recommended in Comment 1.

      Thank you for your suggestion. Currently, we lack the expertise in our lab to conduct such experiments, so they are beyond the scope of this manuscript. However, we will create additional supplementary figures to demonstrate that the likelihood of false positives is low, based on the assumption that current publicly available BLAST algorithms, genome annotations, and reference transcription expression data are accurate.

      We will include a comparison in our supplementary materials showing the off-target RNA that can bind the highest number of probes simultaneously for each software. Additionally, we will perform a correlation analysis to illustrate the relationship between spot intensity for different software and the number of probes they design. This will help us estimate how the number of probes bound to RNA correlates with expected spot intensity ranges.

      Using this information, along with autofluorescence background intensity measurements from no-probe controls, we will estimate the minimum number of probes that need to bind to targets to be detected as single spots. If this minimum is higher than the maximum number of simultaneous off-target probe bindings, we anticipate that the detected spot signal will primarily reflect ARF4 rather than other transcripts.

      (4) In the limitations of the study, the authors note that "RNA secondary and tertiary structures are not included, which may lead to inaccuracies if binding sites are structurally occluded." However, I am not convinced that this is a true limitation, since formamide in the smFISH protocol should denature secondary structures and allow oligo access to the RNA. I recommend that the authors comment on this point and clarify whether secondary structure poses a practical limitation in smFISH probe design.

      Thank you for pointing this out. We will revise the manuscript to clarify: "We did not include RNA secondary and tertiary structures in the model because the use of formamide in RNA-FISH experiments denatures these structures, allowing oligonucleotides to access the RNA."

      (5) The authors also correctly acknowledge in their limitations that "RNA-protein interactions, which can modulate accessibility of the transcript, are not modeled." I suggest referencing relevant studies on this issue, particularly Buxbaum et al. (2014, Science), which would provide important context.

      Thank you for highlighting the literature that supports this limitation. We will include Buxbaum et al. (2014, Science) and additional studies that discuss how RNA-protein interactions can affect RNA-FISH experiments.

      Reviewer #2 (Public review):

      Summary:

      Hughes et al present a new single-molecule RNA fluorescence in situ hybridization (smFISH) probe design software, termed "TrueProbes" in this manuscript. They claim that all existing smFISH (and variants) probe design software packages have limitations that ultimately impact experimental performance. The author's claim to address the majority of these limitations in TrueProbes by introducing multiple computational steps to ensure high-quality probe design. The manuscript's goal is clear, and the authors provide some evidence by designing and targeting one gene. Overall, the manuscript lacks rigorous evidence to support the claims, does not demonstrate its suitability for a variety of smFISH-type experiments, and some of the provided quantification data are unclear. While TrueProbes clearly has potential, more data is required, or the authors should tone down the claims.

      We appreciate the reviewer’s thoughtful feedback. We will revise the text to ensure that all claims are backed by computational or experimental evidence. For claims that do not have supporting results, we will relocate them to the discussion section as potential future extensions. Since our probe design is open access, both we and the community can further develop our codes as needed.

      Strengths:

      (1) The problem is well-articulated in the abstract and the introduction.

      (2) Figures 3 and 4 follow a consistent color scheme where each probe design method has its own color, which helps the reader visually compare methods.

      (3) The authors compared multiple probe design software packages both computationally and experimentally.

      (4) TrueProbes does produce visually and quantitatively better results when compared to 2 of the 4 existing smFISH probe design packages (Paintshop and MERFISH panel designer).

      (5) The authors introduce a comprehensive steady-state thermodynamic model to help optimally guide probe design.

      We like to thank the reviewer for pointing out the strength of the manuscript.

      Weaknesses:

      (1) The abstract describes the problem well and introduces the solution (the TrueProbes software), but fails to provide specific ways in which the TrueProbes software performs better. The authors state that "...[TrueProbes] consistently outperformed alternatives across multiple computational metrics and experimental validation assays", but specific, quantitative evidence of improved performance would strengthen the statement.

      Thank you for acknowledging the clarity of the abstract and introduction. We will revise the abstract to provide more specific details on how TrueProbes outperforms other software. Additionally, we will include specific computational and experimental metrics that demonstrate TrueProbes' improved performance compared to other software.

      (2) The text claims that TrueProbes outperforms all other probe design software, but Figure 3 indicates that TrueProbes has neither the greatest number of on-target binding nor the lowest number of off-target binding. The data in Figure 3 does not support the claims made in the text. Specifically, the authors claim that "RNA FISH Experimental Results Demonstrate that Off Target and Binding Affinity Inclusive Probe Design Improve RNA FISH Signal Discrimination" (lines 217-218). However, despite their claim that Stellaris and Oligostan-HT produce more off-target probes when evaluated with the TrueProbes framework, the experiment results are nearly identical. The authors should consider modifying their claims or performing new experiments that more clearly demonstrate their claims.

      In Figure 3, we aim to convey two main points. 

      The first point is to compare the number of ON-target probes designed by each software using their most stringent design criteria (Figure 3A). Currently, we are using a medium strict design criterion for Stellaris (level 3). As shown in the new supplementary figure XX, when we apply the most stringent design criteria for Stellaris (level 5), the number of ON-target probes decreases to XX probes. This clearly indicates that, based on theoretical calculations, TrueProbes can design more probes than any of its competitors.

      The second point is to compare the number of OFF-targets produced by each probe design. To illustrate this, we used two different metrics. In Figures 3B-D, we compare the total number of probes bound to OFF-target RNA. However, since each software generates a different number of ON-target probes, the number of OFF-targets may vary simply due to the differences in ON-target probe counts. Therefore, we introduced a second metric to compare OFF-targets. In Figures 3E-G, we present the number of OFF-targets normalized by the number of ON-targets. Using this metric, TrueProbes shows the lowest number of OFF-targets. We will updat the manuscript to clarify this point.

      Regarding the experiments and their comparison to theoretical calculations: The theoretical calculations consider only the reference DNA and RNA genomes along with the oligonucleotide sequences for the probes. We then use a thermodynamic model to identify ON- and OFF-targets. Thus, these theoretical calculations represent an upper bound on the maximum possible number of ON-targets and the minimum number of OFF-targets. All other design software evaluated in this manuscript relies on the same or less reference data and makes certain assumptions. None of these methods quantitatively compare their computational designs with experimental results; they simply design probes based on unverified assumptions, conduct experiments, and present spot data to conclude that their probe designs are effective.

      We will update the manuscript to clarify the goals of the theoretical model and its relationship to the experiments. Future work will be necessary to enhance our theoretical model to fully account for additional aspects of RNA-FISH experiments (e.g., formaldehyde crosslinking, hybridization conditions, washing steps) to better predict the experimental data shown in Figure 4. We will also adjuste our claims to accurately reflect the current capabilities of our theoretical framework and its relation to experimental outcomes.

      (3) The bar graphs in Figure 3 do not seem to agree with the probability graphs in Figure 4. For example, Figure 3 indicates that Stellaris probes have higher off-target binding than TrueProbes; however, in Figure 4, their probability graphs lie almost on top of each other.

      The predictions in Figure 3 regarding the number of probe off-target binding events, based on reference gene expression data, do not necessarily encompass all the information required to predict RNA-FISH signal intensity. Therefore, these predictions should not be expected to translate directly into the experimental results shown in Figure 4, particularly concerning the background signal.

      While our software aims to minimize off-target probe binding, this does not automatically lead to a reduction in off-target background signal. Numerous other factors influence the spot background and overall signal-to-noise ratio (SNR) performance, beyond just probe-target binding interactions. Although we strive to minimize off-target background through probe binding, this approach is not designed to directly predict the SNR. Extending the computational analysis of probe binding dynamics to RNA-FISH signal intensity dynamics is beyond the scope of this study.

      We have revised our text to clearly separate computational results from experimental results into two distinct sections. We will use different terminology to describe the outcomes of computational performance versus experimental performance, reducing potential confusion between these two aspects. Additionally, we will clarify our conceptual overview in Figure 1 regarding traditional probe design limitations related to sensitivity and specificity. We will specify how the signal from the number of probes bound to ON-target RNA, relative to those bound to OFF-targets and cellular autofluorescence, translates—either linearly or non-linearly—into the signal-to-noise ratio.

      (4) The authors performed validation for only one gene (ARF4), because "...it had the highest gene expression (in TPM units) and the fewest isoforms among all candidate genes for the Jurkat cell line" (lines 176-177). While the results do look good, this is a minimal use case and does not really showcase the power of their method. One experiment that could be helpful would be two-color (or more) smFISH in tissue, where the chances for off-target binding contributing to higher errors are much greater than in an adherent cell line.

      Thank you for highlighting these valuable experiments. Currently, our lab lacks the expertise to generate tissue samples beyond culturing cells. Additionally, implementing a two-color probe design in tissues containing different cell types with unknown expression levels presents further challenges. Due to these limitations, designing and conducting two-color experiments in tissue samples is beyond the scope of the current manuscript, but we plan to pursue this in the future.

      (5) A common strategy for both smFISH and highly multiplexed methods is to use secondary DNA oligos with dye molecules instead of direct conjugation. Given that this is a primary design goal of PaintSHOP and the Zhuang lab's MERFISH probe design code, it would be helpful to demonstrate that TrueProbes can design a two-layer probe strategy for high-quality RNA-FISH labeling.

      Thank you for bringing this to our attention. TrueProbes is currently designed and tested specifically for primary smRNA-FISH probes. Our focus is on demonstrating a new approach to designing these probes without the added complexities of secondary probes and multiplexing. Future work will expand on this foundation to incorporate secondary probe detection and transcript multiplexing.

      (6) The authors claim, "For every probe set, TrueProbes can simulate expected smRNA FISH outcomes including optimal probe, RNA, and salt concentrations and optionally account for probe secondary structure, hybridization temperature, multiple targets, fluorophore choice, DNA, nascent RNA, and photon count statistics (Figures S2A, S2B). The model can be used to generate predictions for temperature and cell line sensitivity, multi-target discrimination, multiple fluorophore colocalization; when provided transcript expression levels and probe/background intensity, it can start to generate predictions for spot intensity, background, signal to noise ratio, and false negative rates (Figure S2C)." (lines 156-163). Figure S2 is a flow chart and does not provide evidence for any of these items. The authors should provide evidence for these claims, either as a figure or an example script in their software repository. If that is not possible, then it should be removed.

      The supplemental information of the article will be updated to include figures that illustrate predictions for each capability currently offered by TrueProbes, along with the scripts used to generate these predictions. Any capabilities that do not have corresponding scripts will be removed from this section and instead referred to as potential improvements or future additions to the TrueProbes framework in the discussion section.

      (7) All thermodynamic equations are performed at steady state. The authors do not justify this assumption, and there is no discussion of the potential impacts of either low molecule numbers or violations of the well-mixed assumption. Can the authors please include a discussion on the potential impacts non non-steady state dynamics?

      Thermodynamic equations are calculated at steady state because RNA-FISH hybridization reactions typically last from eight to twenty hours. This duration allows probes adequate time to localize to their targets and reach binding equilibrium, based on current estimates of DNA oligonucleotide association and dissociation rate constants. We will address the potential violation of the well-mixed assumption in the assumptions and limitations section, specifically discussing how RNA localization can affect the spatial distribution of both on-target and off-target probes within cells, which may disrupt the well-mixed condition.

      Low molecule numbers are not a significant concern, as probe DNA oligonucleotide concentrations in RNA-FISH protocols are much higher than the number of transcripts present in cells, by several orders of magnitude.

      The assumptions and limitations section will be revised to clearly state: “Probe hybridization reactions were computed at steady state because most RNA-FISH protocols utilize probe hybridization incubation steps lasting over eight hours, which should provide sufficient time to reach equilibrium based on current estimates of forward and reverse reaction rate constants. Predictions from the equilibrium model may be less accurate for RNA-FISH experiments with shorter hybridization times, where non-steady state dynamics can result in different transient outcomes depending on the duration of hybridization.”

      Reviewer #3 (Public review):

      Summary:

      This manuscript introduces a new platform termed "TrueProbes" for designing mRNA FISH probes. In comparison to existing design strategies, the authors incorporate a comprehensive thermodynamic and kinetic model to account for probe states that may contribute to nonspecific background. The authors validate their design pipeline using Jurkat cells and provide evidence of improved probe performance.

      Strengths:

      A notable strength of TrueProbes is the consideration of genome-wide binding affinities, which aims to minimize off-target signals. The work will be of interest to researchers employing mRNA FISH in certain human cell lines.

      Weaknesses:

      However, in my view, the experimental validation is not sufficient to justify the broad claims of the platform. Given the number of assumptions in the model, additional experimental comparisons across probe design methods, ideally targeting transcripts with different expression levels, would be necessary to establish the general superiority of this approach.

      We will revise our text to make our claims more specific and clearer, avoiding overgeneralizations and ensuring that all claims are adequately supported by the data we present.

    1. Reviewer #1 (Public review):

      Summary:

      The manuscript reports a series of experiments designed to test whether optogenetic activation of infralimbic (IL) neurons facilitates extinction retrieval and whether this depends on animals' prior experience. In Experiment 1, rats underwent fear conditioning followed by either one or two extinction sessions, with IL stimulation given during the second extinction; stimulation facilitated extinction retrieval only in rats with prior extinction experience. Experiments 2 and 3 examined whether backward conditioning (CS presented after the US) could establish inhibitory properties that allowed IL stimulation to enhance extinction, and whether this effect was specific to the same stimulus or generalized to different stimuli. Experiments 5 - 7 extended this approach to appetitive learning: rats received backward or forward appetitive conditioning followed by extinction, and then fear conditioning, to determine whether IL stimulation could enhance extinction in contexts beyond aversive learning and across conditioning sequences. Across studies, the key claim is that IL activation facilitates extinction retrieval only when animals possess a prior inhibitory memory, and that this effect generalizes across aversive and appetitive paradigms.

      Strengths:

      (1) The design attempts to dissect the role of IL activity as a function of prior learning, which is conceptually valuable.

      (2) The experimental design of probing different inhibitory learning approaches to probe how IL activation facilitates extinction learning was creative and innovative.

      Weaknesses:

      (1) Non-specific manipulation.

      ChR2 was expressed in IL without distinction between glutamatergic and GABAergic populations. Without knowing the relative contribution of these cell types or the percentage of neurons affected, the circuit-level interpretation of the results is unclear.

      (2) Extinction retrieval test conflates processes

      The retrieval test included 8 tones. Averaging across this many tone presentations conflate extinction retrieval/expression (early tones) with further extinction learning (later tones). A more appropriate analysis would focus on the first 2-4 tones to capture retrieval only. As currently presented, the data do not isolate extinction retrieval.

      (3) Under-sampling and poor group matching.

      Sample sizes appear small, which may explain why groups are not well matched in several figures (e.g., 2b, 3b, 6b, 6c) and why there are several instances of unexpected interactions (protocol, virus, and period). This baseline mismatch raises concerns about the reliability of group differences.

      (4) Incomplete presentation of conditioning data.

      Figure 3 only shows a single conditioning session despite five days of training. Without the full dataset, it is difficult to evaluate learning dynamics or whether groups were equivalent before testing.

      (5) Interpretation stronger than evidence.

      The authors conclude that IL activation facilitates extinction retrieval only when an inhibitory memory has been formed. However, given the caveats above, the data are insufficient to support such a strong mechanistic claim. The results could reflect non-specific facilitation or disruption of behavior by broad prefrontal activation. Moreover, there is compelling evidence that optogenetic activation of IL during fear extinction does facilitate subsequent extinction retrieval without prior extinction training (Do-Monte et al 2015, Chen et al 2021), which the authors do not directly test in this study.

      Impact:

      The role of IL in extinction retrieval remains a central question in the fear learning literature. However, because the test used conflates extinction retrieval with new learning and the manipulations lack cell-type specificity, the evidence presented here does not convincingly support the main claims. The study highlights the need for more precise manipulations and more rigorous behavioral testing to resolve this issue.

    2. Reviewer #2 (Public review):

      Summary:

      In this manuscript, the authors examine the mechanisms by which stimulation of the infralimbic cortex (IL) facilitates the retention and retrieval of inhibitory memories. Previous work has shown that optogenetic stimulation of the IL suppresses freezing during extinction but does not improve extinction recall when extinction memory is probed one day later. When stimulation occurs during a second extinction session (following a prior stimulation-free extinction session), freezing is suppressed during the second extinction as well as during the tone test the following day. The current study was designed to further explore the facilitatory role of the IL in inhibitory learning and memory recall. The authors conducted a series of experiments to determine whether recruitment of IL extends to other forms of inhibitory learning (e.g., backward conditioning) and to inhibitory learning involving appetitive conditioning. Further, they assessed whether their effects could be explained by stimulus familiarity. The results of their experiments show that backward conditioning, another form of inhibitory learning, also enabled IL stimulation to enhance fear extinction. This phenomenon was not specific to aversive learning, as backward appetitive conditioning similarly allowed IL stimulation to facilitate extinction of aversive memories. Finally, the authors ruled out the possibility that IL facilitated extinction merely because of prior experience with the stimulus (e.g., reducing the novelty of the stimulus). These findings significantly advance our understanding of the contribution of IL to inhibitory learning. Namely, they show that the IL is recruited during various forms of inhibitory learning, and its involvement is independent of the motivational value associated with the unconditioned stimulus.

      Strengths:

      (1) Transparency about the inclusion of both sexes and the representation of data from both sexes in figures.

      (2) Very clear representation of groups and experimental design for each figure.

      (3) The authors were very rigorous in determining the neurobehavioral basis for the effects of IL stimulation on extinction. They considered multiple interpretations and designed experiments to address these possible accounts of their data.

      (4) The rationale for and the design of the experiments in this manuscript are clearly based on a wealth of knowledge about learning theory. The authors leveraged this expertise to narrow down how the IL encodes and retrieves inhibitory memories.

      Weaknesses:

      (1) In Experiment 1, although not statistically significant, it does appear as though the stimulation groups (OFF and ON) differ during Extinction 1. It seems like this may be due to a difference between these groups after the first forward conditioning. Could the authors have prevented this potential group difference in Extinction 1 by re-balancing group assignment after the first forward conditioning session to minimize the differences in fear acquisition (the authors do report a marginally significant effect between the groups that would undergo one vs. two extinction sessions in their freezing during the first conditioning session)?

      (2) Across all experiments (except for Experiment 1), the authors state that freezing during the initial conditioning increased across "days". The figures that correspond to this text, however, show that freezing changes across trials. In the methods, the authors report that backward conditioning occurred over 5 days. It would be helpful to understand how these data were analyzed and collated to create the final figures. Was the freezing averaged across the five days for each trial for analyses and figures?

      (3) In Experiment 3, the authors report a significant Protocol X Virus interaction. It would be useful if the authors could conduct post-hoc analyses to determine the source of this interaction. Inspection of Figure 4B suggests that freezing during the two different variants of backward conditioning differs between the virus groups. Did the authors expect to see a difference in backward conditioning depending on the stimulus used in the conditioning procedure (light vs. tone)? The authors don't really address this confounding interaction, but I do think a discussion is warranted.

      (4) In this same experiment, the authors state that freezing decreased during extinction; however, freezing in the Diff-EYFP group at the start of extinction (first bin of trials) doesn't look appreciably different than their freezing at the end of the session. Did this group actually extinguish their fear? Freezing on the tone test day also does not look too different from freezing during the last block of extinction trials.

      (5) The Discussion explored the outcomes of the experiments in detail, but it would be useful for the authors to discuss the implications of their findings for our understanding of circuits in which the IL is embedded that are involved in inhibitory learning and memory. It would also be useful for the authors to acknowledge in the Discussion that although they did not have the statistical power to detect sex differences, future work is needed to explore whether IL functions similarly in both sexes.

    3. Reviewer #3 (Public review):

      Summary:

      This is a really nice manuscript with different lines of evidence to show that the IL encodes inhibitory memories that can then be manipulated by optogenetic stimulation of these neurons during extinction. The behavioral designs are excellent, with converging evidence using extinction/re-extinction, backwards/forwards aversive conditioning, and backwards appetitive/forwards aversive conditioning. Additional factors, such as nonassociative effects of the CS or US, are also considered, and the authors evaluate the inhibitory properties of the CS with tests of conditioned inhibition.

      Strengths:

      The experimental designs are very rigorous with an unusual level of behavioral sophistication.

      Weaknesses:

      (1) More justification for parametric choices (number of days of backwards vs forwards conditioning) could be provided.

      (2) The current discussion could be condensed and could focus on broader implications for the literature.

    4. Author response:

      Reviewer #1 (Public review):

      Summary:

      The manuscript reports a series of experiments designed to test whether optogenetic activation of infralimbic (IL) neurons facilitates extinction retrieval and whether this depends on animals' prior experience. In Experiment 1, rats underwent fear conditioning followed by either one or two extinction sessions, with IL stimulation given during the second extinction; stimulation facilitated extinction retrieval only in rats with prior extinction experience. Experiments 2 and 3 examined whether backward conditioning (CS presented after the US) could establish inhibitory properties that allowed IL stimulation to enhance extinction, and whether this effect was specific to the same stimulus or generalized to different stimuli. Experiments 5 - 7 extended this approach to appetitive learning: rats received backward or forward appetitive conditioning followed by extinction, and then fear conditioning, to determine whether IL stimulation could enhance extinction in contexts beyond aversive learning and across conditioning sequences. Across studies, the key claim is that IL activation facilitates extinction retrieval only when animals possess a prior inhibitory memory, and that this effect generalizes across aversive and appetitive paradigms.

      Strengths:

      (1) The design attempts to dissect the role of IL activity as a function of prior learning, which is conceptually valuable.

      We thank the Reviewer for their positive assessment.

      (2) The experimental design of probing different inhibitory learning approaches to probe how IL activation facilitates extinction learning was creative and innovative.

      We thank the Reviewer for their positive assessment.

      Weaknesses:

      (1) Non-specific manipulation.

      ChR2 was expressed in IL without distinction between glutamatergic and GABAergic populations. Without knowing the relative contribution of these cell types or the percentage of neurons affected, the circuit-level interpretation of the results is unclear.

      ChR2 was intentionally expressed in the infralimbic cortex (IL) without distinction between local neuronal populations for two reasons. First, this manuscript aimed to uncover some of the features characterizing the encoding of inhibitory memories in the IL, and this encoding likely engages interactions among various neuronal populations within the IL. Second, the hypotheses tested in the manuscript derived from findings that indiscriminately stimulated the IL using the GABA<sub>A</sub> receptor antagonist picrotoxin, which is best mimicked by the approach taken. We agree that it is also important to determine the respective contributions of distinct IL neuronal populations to inhibitory encoding; however, the global approach implemented in the present experiments represents a necessary initial step. This rationale will be incorporated into the revised manuscript, which will also make reference to the need to identify the relative contributions of the various neuronal populations within the IL. 

      (2) Extinction retrieval test conflates processes

      The retrieval test included 8 tones. Averaging across this many tone presentations conflate extinction retrieval/expression (early tones) with further extinction learning (later tones). A more appropriate analysis would focus on the first 2-4 tones to capture retrieval only. As currently presented, the data do not isolate extinction retrieval.

      It is unclear when retrieval of what has been learned across extinction ceases and additional extinction learning occurs. In fact, it is only the first stimulus presentation that unequivocally permits a distinction between retrieval and additional extinction learning, as the conditions for this additional learning have not been fulfilled at that presentation. However, confining evidence for retrieval to the first stimulus presentation introduces concerns that other factors could influence performance. For instance, processing of the stimulus present at the start of the session may differ from that present at the end of the previous session, thereby affecting what is retrieved. Such differences between the stimuli present at the start and end of an extinction session have been long recognized as a potential explanation for spontaneous recovery (Estes, 1955). More importantly, whether the test data presented confound retrieval and additional extinction learning or not, the interpretation remains the same with respect to the effects of a prior history of inhibitory learning on enabling the facilitative effects of IL stimulation. Finally, it is unclear how these facilitative effects could occur in the absence of the subjects retrieving the extinction memory formed under the stimulation. Nevertheless, the revised manuscript will provide the trial-by-trial performance during the post-extinction retrieval tests and discuss this issue.

      (3) Under-sampling and poor group matching.

      Sample sizes appear small, which may explain why groups are not well matched in several figures (e.g., 2b, 3b, 6b, 6c) and why there are several instances of unexpected interactions (protocol, virus, and period). This baseline mismatch raises concerns about the reliability of group differences.

      Efforts were made to match group performance upon completion of each training stage and before IL stimulation. Unfortunately, these efforts were not completely successful due to exclusions following post-mortem analyses. However, we acknowledge that the unexpected interactions deserve further discussion, and this will be incorporated into the revised manuscript (see also comment from Reviewer 2). Although we cannot exclude that sample sizes may have contributed to some of these interactions, we remain confident about the reliability of the main findings reported, especially given their replication across the various protocols. Overall, the manuscript provides evidence that IL stimulation does not facilitate brief extinction in the absence of prior inhibitory experience in five different experiments, replicating previous findings (Lingawi et al., 2018; Lingawi et al., 2017). It also replicates these previous findings by showing that prior experience with either fear or appetitive extinction enables IL stimulation to facilitate subsequent fear extinction. Furthermore, the facilitative effects of such stimulation following fear or appetitive backward conditioning are replicated in the present manuscript.  

      (4) Incomplete presentation of conditioning data.

      Figure 3 only shows a single conditioning session despite five days of training. Without the full dataset, it is difficult to evaluate learning dynamics or whether groups were equivalent before testing.

      We apologize, as we incorrectly labeled the X axis for the backward conditioning data set in Figures 3B, 4B, 4D and 5B. It should have indicated “Days” instead of “Trials”. This error will be corrected in the revised manuscript.

      (5) Interpretation stronger than evidence.

      The authors conclude that IL activation facilitates extinction retrieval only when an inhibitory memory has been formed. However, given the caveats above, the data are insufficient to support such a strong mechanistic claim. The results could reflect non-specific facilitation or disruption of behavior by broad prefrontal activation. Moreover, there is compelling evidence that optogenetic activation of IL during fear extinction does facilitate subsequent extinction retrieval without prior extinction training (Do-Monte et al 2015, Chen et al 2021), which the authors do not directly test in this study.

      As noted above, the revised manuscript will show that the interpretations of the main findings stand whether ore the test data confounds retrieval with additional extinction learning. The revised manuscript will also clarify the plotting of the data for the backward conditioning stages. We do agree that further discussion of the unexpected interactions is necessary, and this will also be incorporated into the revised manuscript. However, the various replications of the core findings provide strong evidence for their reliability and the interpretations advanced in the original manuscript. The proposal that the results reflect non-specific facilitation or disruption of behavior seems highly unlikely. Indeed, the present experiments and previous findings (Lingawi et al., 2018; Lingawi et al., 2017) provide multiple demonstrations that IL stimulation fails to produce any facilitation in the absence of prior inhibitory experience with the target stimulus. Although these demonstrations appear inconsistent with previous studies (Do-Monte et al., 2015; Chen et al., 2021), this inconsistency is likely explained by the fact that these studies manipulated activity in specific IL neuronal populations. Previous work has already revealed differences between manipulations targeting discrete IL neuronal populations as opposed to general IL activity (Kim et al., 2016). Importantly, as previously noted, the present manuscript aimed to generally explore inhibitory encoding in the IL that, as we will acknowledge, is likely to engage several neuronal populations within the IL. Adequate statements on these matters will be included in the revised manuscript.

      Impact:

      The role of IL in extinction retrieval remains a central question in the fear learning literature. However, because the test used conflates extinction retrieval with new learning and the manipulations lack cell-type specificity, the evidence presented here does not convincingly support the main claims. The study highlights the need for more precise manipulations and more rigorous behavioral testing to resolve this issue.

      As noted in our responses, the interpretations of the data presented remain identical whether the test data conflate extinction retrieval with additional extinction learning or not. Although we agree that it is important to establish the role of specific IL neuronal populations in extinction learning, this was beyond the scope of the manuscript and the findings reported remain valuable to our understanding of inhibitory encoding within the IL.

      Reviewer #2 (Public review):

      Summary:

      In this manuscript, the authors examine the mechanisms by which stimulation of the infralimbic cortex (IL) facilitates the retention and retrieval of inhibitory memories. Previous work has shown that optogenetic stimulation of the IL suppresses freezing during extinction but does not improve extinction recall when extinction memory is probed one day later. When stimulation occurs during a second extinction session (following a prior stimulation-free extinction session), freezing is suppressed during the second extinction as well as during the tone test the following day. The current study was designed to further explore the facilitatory role of the IL in inhibitory learning and memory recall. The authors conducted a series of experiments to determine whether recruitment of IL extends to other forms of inhibitory learning (e.g., backward conditioning) and to inhibitory learning involving appetitive conditioning. Further, they assessed whether their effects could be explained by stimulus familiarity. The results of their experiments show that backward conditioning, another form of inhibitory learning, also enabled IL stimulation to enhance fear extinction. This phenomenon was not specific to aversive learning, as backward appetitive conditioning similarly allowed IL stimulation to facilitate extinction of aversive memories. Finally, the authors ruled out the possibility that IL facilitated extinction merely because of prior experience with the stimulus (e.g., reducing the novelty of the stimulus). These findings significantly advance our understanding of the contribution of IL to inhibitory learning. Namely, they show that the IL is recruited during various forms of inhibitory learning, and its involvement is independent of the motivational value associated with the unconditioned stimulus.

      Strengths:

      (1) Transparency about the inclusion of both sexes and the representation of data from both sexes in figures.

      We thank the Reviewer for their positive assessment.

      (2) Very clear representation of groups and experimental design for each figure.

      We thank the Reviewer for their positive assessment.

      (3) The authors were very rigorous in determining the neurobehavioral basis for the effects of IL stimulation on extinction. They considered multiple interpretations and designed experiments to address these possible accounts of their data.

      We thank the Reviewer for their positive assessment.

      (4) The rationale for and the design of the experiments in this manuscript are clearly based on a wealth of knowledge about learning theory. The authors leveraged this expertise to narrow down how the IL encodes and retrieves inhibitory memories.

      We thank the Reviewer for their positive assessment.

      Weaknesses:

      (1) In Experiment 1, although not statistically significant, it does appear as though the stimulation groups (OFF and ON) differ during Extinction 1. It seems like this may be due to a difference between these groups after the first forward conditioning. Could the authors have prevented this potential group difference in Extinction 1 by re-balancing group assignment after the first forward conditioning session to minimize the differences in fear acquisition (the authors do report a marginally significant effect between the groups that would undergo one vs. two extinction sessions in their freezing during the first conditioning session)?

      As noted (see response to Reviewer 1), efforts were made daily to match group performance across the training stages, but these efforts were ultimately hampered by the necessary exclusions following post-mortem analyses. This will be made explicit in the revised manuscript. Regarding freezing during Extinction 1, as noted by the Reviewer, the difference, which was not statistically significant, was absent across trials during the subsequent forward fear conditioning stage. Likewise, the protocol difference observed during the initial forward fear conditioning was absent in subsequent stages. We are therefore confident that these initial differences (significant or not) did not impact the main findings at test. Importantly, these findings replicate previous work using identical protocols in which no differences were present during the training stages. These considerations will be addressed in the revised manuscript.

      (2) Across all experiments (except for Experiment 1), the authors state that freezing during the initial conditioning increased across "days". The figures that correspond to this text, however, show that freezing changes across trials. In the methods, the authors report that backward conditioning occurred over 5 days. It would be helpful to understand how these data were analyzed and collated to create the final figures. Was the freezing averaged across the five days for each trial for analyses and figures?

      We apologize, as noted above, we incorrectly labeled the X axis for the backward conditioning data sets in Figures 3B, 4B, 4D and 5B. It should have indicated “Days” instead of “Trials”. The data shown in these Figures use the average of all trials on a given day. This will be clarified in the methods section of the revised manuscript. The labeling errors on the Figures will be corrected.

      (3) In Experiment 3, the authors report a significant Protocol X Virus interaction. It would be useful if the authors could conduct post-hoc analyses to determine the source of this interaction. Inspection of Figure 4B suggests that freezing during the two different variants of backward conditioning differs between the virus groups. Did the authors expect to see a difference in backward conditioning depending on the stimulus used in the conditioning procedure (light vs. tone)? The authors don't really address this confounding interaction, but I do think a discussion is warranted.

      We agree with the Reviewer that further discussion of the Protocol x Virus interaction that emerged during the backward conditioning and forward conditioning stages of Experiment 3 is warranted. This will be provided in the revised manuscript. Briefly, during both stages, follow-up analyses did not reveal any differences (main effects or interactions) between the two groups trained with the light stimulus (Diff-EYFP and Diff-ChR2). By contrast, the ChR2 group trained with the tone (Back-ChR2) froze more overall than the EYFP group (Back-EYFP), but there were no other significant differences between the two groups. Based on these analyses, the Protocol x Virus interaction appears to be driven by greater freezing in the ChR2 group trained with the tone rather than a difference in the backward conditioning performance based on stimulus identity. Consistent with this, the statistical analyses did not reveal a main effect of Protocol during either the backward conditioning stage or the stimulus trials during the forward conditioning stage. Nevertheless, during this latter stage, a main effect of Protocol emerged during baseline performance, but once again, this seems to be driven by the Back-ChR2 group. Critically, it is unclear how greater stimulus freezing in the Back-ChR2 group during forward conditioning would lead to lower freezing during the post-extinction retrieval test.  

      (4) In this same experiment, the authors state that freezing decreased during extinction; however, freezing in the Diff-EYFP group at the start of extinction (first bin of trials) doesn't look appreciably different than their freezing at the end of the session. Did this group actually extinguish their fear? Freezing on the tone test day also does not look too different from freezing during the last block of extinction trials.

      We confirm that overall, there was a significant decline in freezing across the extinction session shown in Figure 4B. The Reviewer is correct to point out that this decline was modest (if not negligible) in the Diff-EYFP group, which was receiving its first inhibitory training with the target tone stimulus. It is worth noting that across all experiments, most groups that did not receive infralimbic stimulation displayed a modest decline in freezing during the extinction session since it was relatively brief, involving only 6 or 8 tone alone presentations. This was intentional, as we aimed for the brief extinction session to generate minimal inhibitory learning and thereby to detect any facilitatory effect of infralimbic stimulation. This issue will be clarified and explained in the revised version of the manuscript.

      (5) The Discussion explored the outcomes of the experiments in detail, but it would be useful for the authors to discuss the implications of their findings for our understanding of circuits in which the IL is embedded that are involved in inhibitory learning and memory. It would also be useful for the authors to acknowledge in the Discussion that although they did not have the statistical power to detect sex differences, future work is needed to explore whether IL functions similarly in both sexes.

      In line with the Reviewer’s suggestion (see also Reviewer 3), the revised manuscript will include a discussion of the broader implications of the findings regarding inhibitory brain circuitry and will acknowledge the need to further explore sex differences and IL functions.

      Reviewer #3 (Public review):

      Summary:

      This is a really nice manuscript with different lines of evidence to show that the IL encodes inhibitory memories that can then be manipulated by optogenetic stimulation of these neurons during extinction. The behavioral designs are excellent, with converging evidence using extinction/re-extinction, backwards/forwards aversive conditioning, and backwards appetitive/forwards aversive conditioning. Additional factors, such as nonassociative effects of the CS or US, are also considered, and the authors evaluate the inhibitory properties of the CS with tests of conditioned inhibition.

      Strengths:

      The experimental designs are very rigorous with an unusual level of behavioral sophistication.

      We thank the Reviewer for their positive assessment.

      Weaknesses:

      (1) More justification for parametric choices (number of days of backwards vs forwards conditioning) could be provided.

      All experimental parameters were based on previously published experiments showing the capacity of the backward conditioning protocols to generate inhibitory learning and the forward conditioning protocols to produce excitatory learning. Although this was mentioned in the methods section, we acknowledge that further explanation is required to justify the need for multiple days of backward training. This will be provided in the revised manuscript.

      (2) The current discussion could be condensed and could focus on broader implications for the literature.

      The revised manuscript will make an effort to condense the discussion and focus on broader implications for the literature.

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      Do-Monte, F. H., Manzano-Nieves, G., Quiñones-Laracuente, K., Ramos-Medina, L., & Quirk, G. J. (2015). Revisiting the role of infralimbic cortex in fear extinction with optogenetics. J Neurosci, 35(8), 3607-3615. https://doi.org/10.1523/JNEUROSCI.3137-14.2015

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      Kim, H.-S., Cho, H.-Y., Augustine, G. J., & Han, J.-H. (2016). Selective Control of Fear Expression by Optogenetic Manipulation of Infralimbic Cortex after Extinction. Neuropsychopharmacology, 41(5), 1261-1273. https://doi.org/10.1038/npp.2015.276

      Lingawi, N. W., Holmes, N. M., Westbrook, R. F., & Laurent, V. (2018). The infralimbic cortex encodes inhibition irrespective of motivational significance. Neurobiol Learn Mem, 150, 64-74. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.nlm.2018.03.001

      Lingawi, N. W., Westbrook, R. F., & Laurent, V. (2017). Extinction and Latent Inhibition Involve a Similar Form of Inhibitory Learning that is Stored in and Retrieved from the Infralimbic Cortex. Cereb Cortex, 27(12), 5547-5556. https://doi.org/10.1093/cercor/bhw322

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    1. Reviewer #1 (Public review):

      Summary:

      In this paper, the authors analyze connectome data from Drosophila and compare the physical wiring with functional connectivity estimated from calcium imaging data. They quantify structure-function relationships as a correlation of the two connectivity modalities. They report correlations roughly comparable to what has been described in the literature on sc/fc relationships in mammalian connectome data at the meso-scale. They then repeat their analysis, focusing on segregated versus unsegregated synapses. They derive separate connectomes using one or the other class of synapse. They show differential contributions to the sc/fc relationships by segregated versus unsegregated synapses.

      Strengths:

      There is nice synthesis of multimodal imaging data (Ca and EM data from flies and meso-scale data from human and marmoset).

      Weaknesses:

      (1) The paper is written in an unusual way. The introduction intermingles results with background, making it hard to figure out what precisely is being tested.

      (2) There are also major methodological gaps. Though the mammalian connectomes are used as a point of reference, no descriptions of their origins or processing are included.

      (3) A major weakness stems from the actual calculation of the sc/fc correlation. In general, SC is sparse. In the case of the EM connectomes, it is *exceptionally* sparse (most neural elements are not connected to one another). The authors calculated sc/fc coupling by correlating the off-diagonal elements of sc (the logarithm of its edge weights) and fc matrices with one another. The logarithmic transformation yields a value of infinity for all zero entries. The authors simply impute these elements with 0. This makes no sense and, depending on whether these zero elements are distributed systematically versus uniformly random, could either inflate or deflate the sc/fc correlations. Care must be taken here.

      (4) Further, in constructing the segregated versus unsegregated connectomes, they use absolute thresholds for collecting synapses. It is unclear, however, whether similar numbers of synapses were included in both matrices. If the number is different, that might explain the differential relationship with fc; one matrix has more non-zero entries (and as noted earlier, those zero entries are problematic).

      (5) There was also considerable text (in the results) describing the processing of the Ca data. In this section, the authors frequently refer to some pipelines as "better" or "worse" (more or less effective). But it is not clear what measures they adopted to assess the effectiveness of a pipeline.

    2. Reviewer #2 (Public review):

      Summary:

      Okuno et al. investigate the structure-function relationship in the fruit fly Drosophila melanogaster. To do so, they combine published data from two recent synapse-level connectomes ("hemibrain" and "FlyWire") with a dataset comprising functional whole-brain calcium imaging and behavioural data. First, they investigate the applicability of fMRI pre-processing techniques on data from calcium imaging. They then cross-correlate this pre-processed functional data with structural data extracted from the connectomes, including a comparison to humans. The authors proceed to compare the two connectomes and find significant differences, which they attribute to differences in the accuracy of the synapse detections. Next, they present a novel algorithm to quantify whether neurons are segregated (pre- and postsynapses are spatially separate) or unsegregated (pre- and postsynapses are mixed). Using this approach, they find that unsegregated neurons may contribute more to function than segregated neurons. Applying a general linear model to the functional dataset suggests that activity in two brain areas (Wedge and AVLP) is suppressed during walking. The authors identify a GABAergic neuron in the connectome that could be responsible for this effect and suggest it may provide feedback to the fly's "compass" in the central complex.

      Strengths:

      The study tackles a relevant question in connectomics by exploring the relationship between structural and functional connectivity in the Drosophila brain. The authors apply a range of established and adapted analytical methods, including fMRI-style preprocessing and a novel synaptic segregation index. The effort to integrate multiple datasets and to compare across species reflects a broad and methodical approach.

      Weaknesses:

      The manuscript would benefit from a clearer overarching narrative to unify the various analyses, which currently appear somewhat disjointed. While the technical methods are extensive, the writing is often convoluted and lacks crucial details, making it difficult to follow the logic and interpret key findings. Additionally, the conclusions are relatively incremental and lack a compelling conceptual advance, limiting the overall impact of the work.

      (1) The introduction currently contains a number of findings and conclusions that would be better placed in the results and discussion to clearly delineate past findings from new results and speculations.

      (2) The narrative would benefit greatly from some clear statements along the lines of "we wanted to find out X, therefore we did Y".

      (3) More concise terminology would be helpful. For example, the connectomes are currently referred to as either "hemibrain", "FlyEM", "whole-brain", or "FlyWire".

      (4) The abstract claims "a new, more robust method to quantify the degree of pre- and post-synaptic segregation". However, the study fails to provide evidence that this method is indeed more robust than existing methods.

      (5) The authors define unsegregated neurons as having mixed pre- and postsynapses in the same space. However, this ignores the neurons' topology: a neuron can exhibit a clearly defined dendrite with (mostly) postsynapses and a clearly defined axon with (mostly) presynapses, which then occupy the same space. This is different from genuinely unsegregated neurons with no distinct dendritic and axonal compartments, such as CT1.

      (6) It is not entirely clear where the marmoset dataset originates from. Was it generated for this study? If not, why is there a note in the Ethics Declaration?

      (7) On the differences between hemibrain and FlyWire: What is the "18.8 million post-synapses" for FlyWire referring to? The (thresholded) FlyWire synapse table has 130M connections (=postsynapses). Subsetting that synapse cloud to the hemibrain volume still gives ~47M synapses. Further subsetting to only connections between proofread neurons inside the hemibrain volume gives 19.4M - perhaps the authors did something like that? Similarly, the hemibrain synapse table contains 64M postsynapses. Do the 21M "FlyEM" post-synapses refer to proofread neurons only? If the authors indeed used only (post-)synapses from proofread neurons, they need to make that explicit in results and methods, and account for differences in reconstruction status when making any comparisons. For example, the mushroom body in the hemibrain got a lot more attention than in FlyWire, which would explain the differences reported here. For that reason, connection weights are often expressed as, e.g., a fraction of the target's inputs instead of the total number of synapses when comparing connectivity across connectomic datasets. Furthermore, in Figure 3b, it looks like the FlyWire synapse cloud was not trimmed to the exact hemibrain boundaries: for example, the trimmed FlyWire synapse cloud seems to extend further into the optic lobes than the hemibrain volume does.

    3. Reviewer #3 (Public review):

      Summary:

      In this manuscript, Okuno et al. re-analyze whole-brain imaging data collected in another paper (Brezovec et al., 2024) in the context of the two currently available Drosophila connectome datasets: the partial "FlyEM" (hemibrain) dataset (Scheffer et al., 2020) and the whole-brain "FlyWire" dataset (Dorkenwald et al., 2024). They apply existing fMRI signal processing algorithms to the fly imaging data and compute function-structure correlations across a variety of post-processing parameters (noise reduction methods, ROI size), demonstrating an inverse relationship between ROI size and FC-SC correlation. The authors go on to look at structural connectivity amongst more polarized or less polarized neurons, and suggest that stronger FC-SC correlations are driven by more polarized neurons.

      Strengths:

      (1) The result that larger mesoscale ROIs have a higher correlation with structural data is interesting. This has been previously discussed in Drosophila in Turner et al., 2021, but here it is quantified more extensively.

      (2) The quantification of neuron polarization (PPSSI) as applied to these structural data is a promising approach for quantifying differences in spatial synapse distribution.

      Weaknesses:

      One should not score noise/nuisance removal methods solely by their impact on FC-SC correlation values, because we do not know a priori that direct structural connections correspond with strong functional correlations. In fact, work in C. elegans, where we have access to both a connectome and neuron-resolution functional data, suggests that this relationship is weak (Yemini et al., 2021; Randi et al., 2023). Similarly, I don't think it's appropriate to tune the confidence scores on the EM datasets using FC-SC correlations as an output metric.

      Any discussion of FC-SC comparisons should include an analysis of excitatory/inhibitory neurotransmitters, which are available in the fly connectome dataset. However, here the authors do not perform any analyses with neurotransmitter information.<br /> Comparisons between fly and human MRI data are also premature here. Firstly, the fly connectomes, which are derived from neuron-scale EM reconstructions, are a qualitatively different kind of data from human connectomes, which are derived from DSI imaging of large-scale tracts. Likewise, calcium data and fMRI data are very different functional data acquisition methods-the fact that similar processing steps can be used on time-series data does not make them surprisingly similar, and does not in my view, constitute evidence of "similar design concepts."

      The comparison of FlyEM/FlyWire connectomes concludes that differences are more likely a result of data processing than of inter-individual variability. If this is the case, the title should not claim that the manuscript covers individual variability.<br /> The analysis of the wedge-AVLP neuron strikes me as highly speculative, given that the alignment precision between the connectome and the functional data is around 5 microns (Brezovec* et al, PNAS 2024).

    1. Reviewer #3 (Public review):

      In the manuscript by Lapao et al., the authors uncover a role for the RAB27A effector protein SYTL5 in regulating mitochondrial function and apparent selective turnover of mitochondrial components. The authors find that SYTL5 localizes to mitochondria in a RAB27A dependent way and that loss of SYTL5 (or RAB27A) impairs lysosomal turnover of MTCO1 (but not a matrix-based reporter/other mitochondrial proteins). The authors go on to show that loss of SYTL5 impacts mitochondrial respiration and ECAR and as such may influence the Warburg effect and tumorigenesis. Of relevance here, the authors go on to show that SYTL5 expression is reduced in adrenocortical carcinomas and this correlates with reduced survival rates.

      As previously reviewed, this is a very intriguing body of work and reveals a new role for SYTL5/RAB27A at the mitochondria. Unfortunately, it appears that SYTL5 is challenging protein to detect endogenously and the authors' cell lines "comprise a heterogenous pool with high variability", which means that a lot of my original concerns remain. It is still also not clear if the conventional autophagy machinery is required for this pathway, especially if SYTL5/RAB27A mitochondrial recruitment is upstream of this. Hopefully, in future work, the authors (and/or others) will be able to address this and build on the mechanisms of this interesting and potentially important pathway.

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    1. Orange County includes 34 incorporated cities, many of them worlds apart. As one local demographer puts it, "You have areas of pov-erty and areas of great affluence and less of a middle." 3 Laguna Beach, for example, is 91 percent non-Hispanic white, with a per capita income of $84,000, whereas Santa Ana, the county seat, just 20 miles away, is 95 percent Hispanic (50 percent foreign-born), with a per capita income of$17,000.

      This passage shows the deep economic and racial divide within Orange County. The contrast between cities like Laguna Beach and Santa Ana highlights how inequality exists even within close distances. It’s striking to see how income and race shape opportunities so differently, emphasizing the need to address these structural disparities.

    2. 136 OUR KIDS 15 percent in 1980) and account for nearly half of the county's K-12 students. Orange County includes 34 incorporated cities, many of them worlds apart. As one local demographer puts it, "You have areas of pov-erty and areas of great affluence and less of a middle." 3 Laguna Beach, for example, is 91 percent non-Hispanic white, with a per capita income of $84,000, whereas Santa Ana, the county seat, just 20 miles away, is 95 percent H

      There have been big changes in the lives of many people who used to live in Los Angeles and San Diego. Many of them have moved to Orange County.

    3. food diets. That image has, however, been gradually altered by large-scale de-mographic changes over the last 40 years. Since 1970 the population of Orange County has more than doubled to over 3 million people. The county is now the sixth most populous

      Large-scale changes in population changed the picture of a lot of people living in Los Angeles and San Diego, with many moving to Orange County.

    4. Orange County includes 34 incorporated cities, many of them worlds apart. As one local demographer puts it, "You have areas of pov-erty and areas of great affluence and less of a middle." 3 Laguna Beach, for example, is 91 percent non-Hispanic white, with a per capita income of $84,000, whereas Santa Ana, the county seat, just 20 miles away, is 95 percent Hispanic (50 percent foreign-born), with a per capita income of$17,000.

      There is a significant disparity within Orange County, with a clear social and economic divide.

    5. That image has, however, been gradually altered by large-scale de-mographic changes over the last 40 years. Since 1970 the population of Orange County has more than doubled to over 3 million people.

      This statement highlights that Orange County has undergone significant changes over the past 40 years due to a dramatic increase in population, and its original image no longer aligns with the current reality.

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    1. CLASS, RACE, AND THE HIDDEN CURRICULUM OF SCHOOLS 2I 2. We should incorporate into our teaching the assets low-income students bring to school. If poor students' resilience, flexibility, and persistence toward a goal is affirmed and integrated into the school culture, students would not drop out at the rate they do. 3. One approach to reducing structural inequality in schools is to create an activist mentoring culture in which educators model the practice of questioning and challenging the status quo. While mentors work to bol-ster students' academic skills, they also can be role models of activism and hope in their communities. Teachers could learn from the mentors as well, developing collaborative relationships with them. They could develop creative role-playing exercises, allowing students to develop the ability to feel comfortable in situations where they previously have been uncomfortable. Spoken-word poetry, neighborhood projects, and even political advocacy can be ways to build confidence and inspire hope for justice and real change. 4. Parents have to be an integral part of the mentoring process. They can rein-force the skills students learn at school and provide important information to teachers about the strengths of their sons and daughters. For their part teachers can help parents to help their children access scholarships and funding for summer programs and other opportunities many do not know about because they have been left out of the information loop. In conclusion, if we do not intentionally unveil the hidden advantages that middle-class and upper-class students have over their low-income peers, we run the risk of indirectly reinforcing these inequalities in our classrooms. Many of us enter the teaching profession to challenge the status quo. Then we get swept up in rules and mandates and procedures, and we lose sight of why we went down this road in the first place. It takes courage to go on our own in a system that perpetuates itself at the expense of poor students. But not challenging this, not aligning ourselves with the strengths of the communities and neighborhoods from where our students come, is going back on our own moral center. It is, in the end, a civic responsibility to ensure that all students have opportunities to imagine lives of great hope.

      This section highlights the need to value the strengths of low-income students and build a mentoring culture that promotes activism and confidence. I agree that teachers should work with parents and communities to support students’ growth. It’s a reminder that educators must stay true to their purpose—challenging inequality and helping all students find hope and opportunity.

    1. Élections au Conseil de la Vie Lycéenne 2025 : Analyse des Programmes

      Résumé

      Le présent document synthétise les professions de foi des candidats aux élections du Conseil de la Vie Lycéenne (CVL) du lycée Louis Vincent pour le mandat 2025.

      Les élections se dérouleront du 30 septembre au 2 octobre via la plateforme Pronote, où cinq binômes seront élus pour un mandat de deux ans.

      L'objectif commun déclaré par l'ensemble des candidats est d'améliorer les conditions et la qualité de vie au sein de l'établissement.

      L'analyse des programmes révèle plusieurs thèmes transversaux et récurrents :

      1. Convivialité et Événements : La quasi-totalité des candidats propose l'organisation de journées à thème (pyjama, sans sac, carnaval, maillot de foot), de ventes de nourriture et de boissons chaudes (notamment en hiver), et de grands événements fédérateurs comme un festival de fin d'année ouvert à tous les niveaux, des tournois sportifs interclasses ou un bal des terminales.

      2. Solidarité et Actions Caritatives : Un fort accent est mis sur la solidarité, avec des propositions de collectes (alimentaires, produits d'hygiène, fournitures scolaires) et de levées de fonds dont les bénéfices seraient reversés à des associations caritatives (Restos du cœur, un cahier un crayon) ou à des lycéens dans le besoin de manière anonyme.

      3. Culture et Pédagogie : De nombreux programmes ambitionnent de dynamiser la vie culturelle du lycée.

      Les idées incluent une meilleure utilisation de la salle de cinéma pour des projections pédagogiques ou des séances gratuites, l'organisation de sorties culturelles, la création de clubs (lecture, débat), et la mise en place de systèmes de tutorat et de parrainage entre élèves.

      4. Bien-être et Cadre de Vie : L'amélioration du bien-être des élèves est une priorité centrale.

      Les propositions visent à créer des espaces de détente et de travail plus calmes et accueillants, à aménager des espaces verts (potager, jardin partagé), à gérer le stress via des ateliers, et à améliorer les infrastructures pratiques comme l'ajout de casiers.

      5. Communication et Représentation : Plusieurs binômes souhaitent renforcer le lien entre le CVL et les élèves par la gestion active d'un compte Instagram, la mise en place d'une boîte à idées, la publication de comptes-rendus mensuels et une promesse générale d'écoute.

      Un candidat, Baptiste, fonde même l'intégralité de sa démarche sur l'absence de programme prédéfini afin de représenter directement les demandes des élèves.

      En somme, les candidatures de 2025 témoignent d'une volonté partagée de rendre le lycée Louis Vincent plus dynamique, solidaire, culturellement riche et attentif au bien-être de chaque élève.

      Présentation des Candidats et de Leurs Plateformes

      Le tableau suivant récapitule les différents binômes candidats, leur niveau de classe et les points saillants de leur programme.

      Candidats (Titulaires et Suppléants)

      Classe(s)

      Qualités Revendiquées

      Points Clés du Programme

      VM & CR

      Terminale 6 & Première 2

      Créatives, motivées, sérieuses, expérience et énergie

      Projet "H24" (camping au lycée), journées à thème (maillot de foot, sans sac, pyjama).

      SP et OP

      Seconde 12 & Seconde 13

      Bienveillants, honnêtes, altruistes, intègres, ouverts au dialogue

      Ventes de snacks/boissons chaudes, 2ème service à la cantine, création d'un lieu de travail/repos, tournois sportifs interclasses.

      MV et KM

      Non spécifié

      -

      4 axes : écologie (coin nature, potager), vie scolaire (journées à thème, menus spéciaux), culture (concours de talents, tutorat, sorties), bien-être (coin calme).

      MO et LO

      Première STL & Première 11

      Engagée, sympathique, responsable, réfléchi, à l'écoute, sérieux, ambitieux

      Récolte caritative, grande journée conviviale de fin d'année, vente de gourdes écoresponsables, communication améliorée (compte-rendu, boîte à idées).

      AI et IP

      Terminale 2 & Première 7

      Inspirés par les anciens CVL

      Vente de fournitures scolaires, vente de thé/chocolat chaud pour des associations, festival de fin d'année pour tous les niveaux.

      AP et GL

      Première 2 & Première 4

      Expérience (délégué, ancien CVC)

      Ventes de pâtisseries/boissons, gestion active du compte Instagram du CVL (sondages, menus), ajout de casiers pour tous, décorations du lycée.

      RS et LH

      Seconde 4 & Seconde 1

      À l'écoute

      Utilisation de la salle de cinéma à but pédagogique, organisation de goûters thématiques pour financer des associations ou des sorties, décorations festives.

      HS et JPM

      Terminale & Première 6

      -

      Optimisation des TV de l'accueil (horaires de bus, menus), dynamisation de la web TV, séances de cinéma gratuites, collecte de fournitures, vente de pulls du lycée, changement de la sonnerie via vote.

      RB et NL

      Seconde 4 & Seconde 6

      -

      Grand repas mensuel à la cantine, collecte de produits d'hygiène/vêtements pour les SDF, semaines à thème (cinéma), tutorat entre 15h et 18h.

      B

      Seconde

      -

      Absence de programme défini. Volonté de représenter directement les idées et besoins des 1600 élèves. Souhaite renouveler les initiatives type "Journées du Patrimoine".

      SV et LL

      Terminale 4 & Première 9

      Souriantes, à l'écoute, motivées

      Ateliers de gestion du stress, espaces de détente, tutorat Terminales/Secondes, création d'espaces verts (potager), sorties culturelles, amélioration des salles de travail.

      Analyse Détaillée des Thèmes de Campagne

      1. Convivialité, Événements et Vie Sociale

      Ce thème est le plus largement partagé par les candidats, qui souhaitent briser la routine et renforcer les liens entre les élèves.

      Journées à Thème : Une proposition quasi unanime.

      Journée pyjama : Proposée par Victorine & Capucine, et Mabine & Victoria.   

      Journée sans sac : Proposée par Victorine & Capucine, Mabine & Victoria, Henry & Maxime, et Sacha & Lili.  

      Journée en maillot de foot : Proposée par Victorine & Capucine. 

      Journée carnaval : Proposée par Mabine & Victoria, et Sacha & Lili.  

      Journée de l'élégance : Proposée par Sacha & Lili.

      Événements de Fin d'Année :

      Festival pour tous les niveaux : Avazov & Isaac proposent un événement avec stands de nourriture, concours de talents et concerts pour inclure les Secondes et Premières, souvent exclus du bal des terminales.  

      Grande journée conviviale : Méina & Lilian suggèrent une journée avec jeux, sport et musique pour élèves, professeurs et personnel.  

      Bal des terminales et "Perçant" : Arnaud & Grégoire s'engagent à organiser ces événements traditionnels.

      Ventes de Nourriture et Boissons :

      Ventes de snacks et boissons chaudes (hiver) : Proposées par Sacha & Oscar, Avazov & Isaac.    ◦ Ventes de pâtisseries : Proposées par Arnaud & Grégoire.  

      Goûters thématiques (Noël, Halloween) : Proposés par Roman & Louison.

      Événements Sportifs et Sociaux :

      Tournois sportifs interclasses : Proposés par Sacha & Oscar.  

      Grand repas mensuel à la cantine : Suggéré par Romain & Noa pour favoriser les rencontres.

      2. Solidarité, Écologie et Actions Caritatives

      De nombreux candidats placent l'engagement solidaire et écologique au cœur de leur projet.

      Collectes et Dons :

      Récoltes caritatives générales : Proposées par Méina & Lilian, avec une redistribution anonyme possible aux lycéens dans le besoin.  

      Collectes pour des associations (SDF, etc.) : Romain & Noa proposent de récolter des produits d'hygiène, de la nourriture et des vêtements chauds. Mabine & Victoria souhaitent organiser des collectes solidaires régulières.  

      Collecte de fournitures scolaires : Henry & Maxime suggèrent que les terminales fassent don de leur matériel (ex: calculatrices) aux nouveaux élèves.

      Financement d'Associations :

      ◦ Plusieurs binômes (Avazov & Isaac, Roman & Louison) proposent que les bénéfices des ventes de nourriture soient reversés à des associations comme les Restos du cœur ou Un cahier, un crayon.

      Écologie et Cadre de Vie :

      Espaces verts : Mabine & Victoria et Sacha & Lili veulent créer un "coin nature", un jardin partagé ou un potager pédagogique.  

      Gourdes écoresponsables : Méina & Lilian proposent de créer et vendre une gourde en matériaux recyclés.

      3. Culture, Éducation et Entraide

      L'accès à la culture et le soutien scolaire sont des axes de développement majeurs.

      Utilisation de la Salle de Cinéma : Un projet récurrent.

      Usage pédagogique : Roman & Louison souhaitent encourager les professeurs à utiliser la salle pour des projections en lien avec les cours.  

      Accès gratuit à la culture : Henry & Maxime et Mabine & Victoria veulent organiser des séances de cinéma gratuites et régulières pour tous.

      Tutorat et Parrainage :

      Aide aux devoirs : Romain & Noa suggèrent un système de tutorat entre 15h et 18h pour les élèves en difficulté.   

      Parrainage Secondes/Terminales : Sacha & Lili proposent un parrainage pour faciliter l'intégration des Secondes, une idée également mentionnée par Mabine & Victoria.

      Enrichissement Culturel :

      Sorties culturelles et sportives : Mabine & Victoria et Sacha & Lili souhaitent en organiser davantage.  

      Rencontres avec d'anciens élèves : Mabine & Victoria proposent d'inviter des anciens pour partager leur parcours.   

      Concours de talents : Mabine & Victoria veulent lancer un concours annuel (photo, écriture, musique, sport).  

      Clubs : L'idée de clubs (lecture, débat) est avancée par Mabine & Victoria.

      4. Améliorations Pratiques et Bien-être

      Les candidats sont attentifs aux aspects concrets de la vie lycéenne et à la santé mentale des élèves.

      Espaces de Vie et de Travail :

      Création d'un lieu de repos/travail : Sacha & Oscar constatent que la Maison des Lycéens est souvent encombrée et bruyante et proposent un nouvel espace.  

      Aménagement d'un coin calme et détente : Une priorité pour Mabine & Victoria et Sacha & Lili, qui souhaitent aussi mettre en place des ateliers de gestion du stress.

      Infrastructures et Services :

      Ajout de casiers : Arnaud & Grégoire insistent sur le manque de casiers, notamment pour les demi-pensionnaires aux journées longues.  

      Deuxième service à la cantine : Proposé par Sacha & Oscar.    ◦ Vente de fournitures scolaires : Avazov & Isaac suggèrent une vente au foyer pour les oublis avant une évaluation.

      Ambiance Sonore et Visuelle :

      Changement de la sonnerie : Henry & Maxime proposent un vote via Instagram pour changer la sonnerie plusieurs fois par an.  

      Décorations du lycée : Arnaud & Grégoire et Roman & Louison veulent décorer l'établissement pour les fêtes (Noël, Halloween).

      5. Communication et Démocratie Lycéenne

      Améliorer la transmission de l'information et l'écoute des élèves est un enjeu clé.

      Outils de Communication Numérique :

      Gestion du compte Instagram du CVL : Arnaud & Grégoire veulent le rendre plus actif avec des sondages et des informations pratiques (menus de la cantine).   

      Utilisation des télévisions de l'accueil : Henry & Maxime veulent y diffuser des informations utiles (horaires de bus, actualités du CVL).

      Mécanismes de Participation :

      Boîte à idées : Proposée par Méina & Lilian pour que chaque élève puisse soumettre des propositions.  

      Comptes-rendus mensuels : Également une idée de Méina & Lilian pour plus de transparence sur les actions du CVL.

      Philosophie de Représentation :

      ◦ La quasi-totalité des candidats se disent "à l'écoute".  

      Baptiste se distingue par une approche radicale, refusant un programme pour se faire le porte-parole direct et exclusif des demandes formulées par les élèves.

    1. Synthèse des Métiers : Perspectives et Exigences

      Résumé

      Ce document propose une synthèse exhaustive des informations présentées sur un large éventail de professions, allant de l'ingénierie à la santé, en passant par les arts et le droit.

      L'analyse des données révèle plusieurs thèmes transversaux. Premièrement, l'accès à de nombreux métiers spécialisés, notamment dans les secteurs de la santé et de la technologie, exige un parcours académique long et rigoureux, souvent au niveau Bac+5 et pouvant dépasser Bac+10. Deuxièmement, la réussite professionnelle repose systématiquement sur une double compétence : une expertise technique pointue ("hard skills") et des qualités interpersonnelles solides ("soft skills") comme la communication, la gestion du stress et le travail d'équipe.

      Troisièmement, la notion de "vocation" ou de "passion" est un moteur essentiel, particulièrement dans les domaines exigeants qui demandent des sacrifices personnels importants.

      Enfin, le marché du travail est caractérisé par une forte variabilité des rémunérations, non seulement entre les secteurs mais aussi en fonction de l'expérience, du statut (salarié, libéral, public, privé) et de la nécessité omniprésente d'une formation continue pour s'adapter aux évolutions technologiques et réglementaires.

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      Ingénierie et Technologie

      Cette section regroupe les métiers au cœur de l'innovation, de la conception et du développement technologique. Ces professions exigent une forte expertise scientifique et une capacité à résoudre des problèmes complexes.

      Ingénieur Ferroviaire

      Rôle et Missions : Gérer la sécurité des circulations ferroviaires en concevant et entretenant des systèmes robustes. Collabore avec des services variés comme le BTP, l'architecture et l'environnement.

      Formation et Diplômes : Niveau Bac+5 minimum, via une école d'ingénieurs (ex: École des Ponts ParisTech, Conservatoire national des arts et métiers).

      Compétences et Qualités Requises : Inventif, stratégique, organisé, curieux, capable de diriger une équipe.

      Rémunération : Salaire net mensuel débutant à 2 250 €, pouvant atteindre 5 000 € en fin de carrière.

      Avantages et Inconvénients :

      Avantages : Secteur en plein essor qui recrute, polyvalence, belles évolutions de carrière, nombreuses primes.    ◦ Inconvénients : Études longues et exigeantes, nécessité de se mettre à jour constamment, amplitudes horaires parfois excessives.

      Ingénieur en Construction Automobile

      Rôle et Missions : Créer, développer et construire les pièces des véhicules pour optimiser les modèles actuels et futurs. Travaille à partir d'un cahier des charges, réalise des calculs, des essais sur ordinateur et des tests sur prototypes.

      Formation et Diplômes : Bac+5 en école d'ingénieur ou master en mécanique/électronique.

      Compétences et Qualités Requises : Passionné, imaginatif, rigoureux, persévérant. Nécessite également une bonne vue, une bonne condition physique et de la dextérité.

      Conditions de Travail : Principalement en bureau mais peut nécessiter des déplacements. Semaines de 35 à 40 heures, voire plus selon les projets.

      Rémunération : Début de carrière autour de 2 000 € net/mois. Le salaire annuel brut peut passer de 37 300 € à 98 000 € en fin de carrière.

      Perspectives d'Évolution : Insertion professionnelle facile malgré des débuts parfois difficiles en sortie d'école.

      Ingénieur en Intelligence Artificielle (IA)

      Rôle et Missions : Concevoir et développer des algorithmes capables d'apprendre et de prendre des décisions de manière autonome. Programme des modèles d'IA, analyse de grandes quantités de données.

      Formation et Diplômes : Bac+5 (diplôme d'ingénieur ou master spécialisé en IA). Spécialités NSI, Maths et Physique recommandées au lycée. Formation continue essentielle.

      Compétences et Qualités Requises : Programmation (Python, R), maîtrise des mathématiques appliquées, esprit d'analyse, rigueur, créativité, curiosité.

      Conditions de Travail : Travail en équipe avec des data scientists et développeurs, horaires flexibles, télétravail courant.

      Rémunération :

      ◦ Source 1 : Salaire annuel de 45 000 € à 55 000 € en début de carrière, pouvant dépasser 100 000 € avec l'expérience.    ◦ Source 2 : Salaire brut mensuel de 3 500 € à 4 500 € pour un débutant, pouvant atteindre 7 000 € ou plus.

      Perspectives d'Évolution : Secteur en pleine explosion avec une très forte demande et des opportunités dans de nombreux domaines (santé, finance, automobile).

      Ingénieur Aéronautique et Aérospatial

      Rôle et Missions : Concevoir, développer, tester et améliorer les aéronefs (avions, hélicoptères, drones) et les engins spatiaux (fusées, satellites). Travaille sur les composants, les moteurs, les systèmes de navigation.

      Formation et Diplômes : Bac+5 minimum, via une école d'ingénieur spécialisée (ENAC, ESTACA, IPSA) ou généraliste.

      Compétences et Qualités Requises : Solides connaissances en mécanique des fluides, aérodynamique, thermodynamique, matériaux. Maîtrise de l'anglais, esprit d'équipe, capacité à travailler sous pression.

      Conditions de Travail : S'exerce dans des usines, des bureaux d'études ou des agences (NASA, ESA). Déplacements fréquents sur les chantiers.

      Rémunération :

      ◦ Ingénieur aéronautique : Commence à 3 400 € brut/mois, peut atteindre 123 000 €/an avec l'expérience.    ◦ Ingénieur aérospatial : Salaire annuel de 40 000 € à 50 000 € en sortie d'école, jusqu'à 80 000 € après 10 ans, et peut dépasser 100 000 €.

      Perspectives d'Évolution : Secteur très demandé. Évolution vers des postes de chef de projet, directeur technique ou expert.

      Ingénieur Chimiste

      Rôle et Missions : Concevoir de nouveaux produits, mettre en œuvre des démarches scientifiques, réaliser des contrôles qualité et rédiger des fiches de données de sécurité (FDS).

      Formation et Diplômes : Bac+5 obtenu en école d'ingénieur.

      Compétences et Qualités Requises : Patience, rigueur, sociabilité, bonnes capacités rédactionnelles, maîtrise de l'anglais et excellentes compétences en physique-chimie et mathématiques.

      Conditions de Travail : Travail en petits groupes (laboratoire, usine), mobile pour répondre aux besoins des entreprises. Journées de 8 heures maximum.

      Rémunération : Environ 2 000 € dans le public et 3 000 € dans le privé. Des pays comme l'Allemagne ou le Luxembourg offrent des salaires plus élevés.

      Ingénieur en Conception Mécanique

      Rôle et Missions : Développement d'objets techniques de demain (recherche et développement). Conçoit le produit, son mécanisme, réalise des modélisations et des essais.

      Formation et Diplômes : Bac+5 (diplôme d'ingénieur ou master) avec une mention en mécanique ou génie mécanique.

      Compétences et Qualités Requises : Curiosité, persévérance, goût pour l'innovation, maîtrise des logiciels de conception, solides connaissances théoriques (aérodynamique, résistance des matériaux).

      Conditions de Travail : Travail en bureau ou en laboratoire, en équipe pluridisciplinaire. Temps de travail moyen de 40 heures/semaine.

      Rémunération : Salaire brut mensuel de 2 800 € en sortie d'école, évoluant vers 3 500 € et pouvant atteindre 5 000 €.

      Concepteur Développeur / Ingénieur Logiciel

      Rôle et Missions : Créer, développer et mettre en place des applications, logiciels ou sites web selon un cahier des charges. Analyse les besoins, écrit le code, effectue des tests et peut former les utilisateurs.

      Formation et Diplômes : Niveau Bac+2 (DUT/BTS) à Bac+5 (diplôme d'ingénieur, Master MIAGE).

      Compétences et Qualités Requises : Maîtrise technique des langages de programmation (HTML, CSS, PHP, etc.), rigueur, capacité d'adaptation, sens de l'organisation, écoute du client, travail en équipe.

      Conditions de Travail : Travail sédentaire mais collaboratif. Délais parfois courts, environ 9 heures de travail par jour.

      Rémunération :

      ◦ Concepteur Développeur : Jusqu'à 2 000 € brut/mois en début de carrière, environ 5 000 € pour un profil expérimenté.    ◦ Ingénieur Logiciel : 2 830 € brut/mois en début de carrière (2 200 € net), jusqu'à 4 500 € brut (3 600 € net) avec l'expérience.

      Développeur de Jeux Vidéo

      Rôle et Missions : Écrire et modifier le code source pour assurer le bon fonctionnement d'un jeu. Optimise les graphismes, l'IA et la fluidité. Utilise des moteurs de jeu (Unity, Unreal Engine) et des langages (C++, Python).

      Formation et Diplômes : Bac+3 à Bac+5 en informatique, développement logiciel ou jeux vidéo. Des écoles spécialisées (Isart, Supinfogame) sont une voie possible. Formation continue indispensable.

      Compétences et Qualités Requises : Logique, rigueur, patience, esprit d'analyse, capacité à résoudre des problèmes techniques.

      Conditions de Travail : Travail en studio ou en freelance, principalement sédentaire. Collaboration étroite avec les graphistes et game designers. Horaires classiques mais "périodes de crunch time" intenses en fin de projet.

      Rémunération : Salaire annuel brut de 30 000 € à 40 000 € pour un débutant, pouvant atteindre 60 000 € et plus avec l'expérience.

      Domoticien

      Rôle et Missions : Installer et programmer des systèmes automatisés dans les habitations (volets, alarmes, thermostats) pour améliorer le confort, la sécurité et l'efficacité énergétique.

      Formation et Diplômes : Bac Pro Systèmes Numériques, BTS Domotique, ou BUT Génie Électrique et Informatique Industrielle. Formation régulière nécessaire.

      Compétences et Qualités Requises : Connaissances en électronique et informatique, logique, précision, esprit d'analyse, patience.

      Conditions de Travail : Métier dynamique, partagé entre chantiers et bureaux d'études. Déplacements fréquents, collaboration avec d'autres corps de métier. Semaines de 35 à 40 heures, avec possibles heures supplémentaires.

      Rémunération : Salaire brut mensuel de 1 800 € à 2 200 € en début de carrière, pouvant atteindre 3 000 € à 4 000 € avec l'expérience.

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      Santé et Sciences du Vivant

      Ce domaine regroupe des professions dédiées au soin, au diagnostic et à l'amélioration de la santé humaine. Elles se caractérisent par un parcours d'études long, un fort sens des responsabilités et un contact humain central.

      Médecin (Chirurgien, Pédiatre, Urgentiste, Médecin Légiste)

      Spécialité

      Formation

      Rôle et Missions

      Conditions de Travail

      Rémunération (Début de carrière)

      Chirurgien

      11-12 ans post-bac

      Opérer des patients pour soigner ou réparer.

      Très intense, longues heures, forte pression, gardes. Travail d'équipe.

      4 000 - 5 000 € / mois

      Pédiatre

      10-11 ans post-bac

      Soigner les enfants de la naissance à 18 ans, suivi médical, diagnostic.

      En cabinet, hôpital, PMI. Contact humain et psychologique essentiel.

      3 000 - 3 500 € net / mois

      Médecin Urgentiste

      10 ans post-bac min.

      Prise en charge de patients en situation d'urgence.

      Forte pression, décisions rapides, travail d'équipe pluridisciplinaire.

      4 500 - 5 000 € brut / mois

      Médecin Légiste

      9-11 ans post-bac + DES

      Analyser corps et blessures dans un cadre judiciaire (autopsies, examens).

      Stress élevé, résistance émotionnelle requise, horaires variables et urgences.

      3 000 - 3 500 € net / mois

      Professionnels Paramédicaux et de la Santé

      Profession

      Formation

      Rôle et Missions

      Conditions de Travail

      Rémunération (Début de carrière)

      Infirmière

      Bac + IFSI (3 ans)

      Prodiguer des soins, surveiller l'état de santé, accompagner les patients.

      Très variées (hôpital, libéral, école, armée). Horaires décalés, stress.

      Varie fortement : 1 860 € à 3 075 € brut / mois

      Kinésithérapeute

      5 ans post-bac

      Soigner et rééduquer les personnes ayant des troubles du mouvement.

      En libéral, hôpital, centre de rééducation. Métier mobile, horaires flexibles mais longs.

      Non spécifié

      Pharmacien

      6-9 ans post-bac

      Gérer et distribuer les médicaments, conseiller les patients.

      En officine, hôpital, industrie. Horaires variables, gardes. Forte responsabilité.

      3 000 - 3 500 € brut / mois

      Diététicienne

      Bac+2 (BTS/BUT)

      Conseiller et accompagner les personnes dans la gestion de leur alimentation.

      En cabinet, hôpital, scolaire. Métier plutôt sédentaire.

      1 800 - 2 200 € brut / mois

      Chirurgiens-Dentistes et Spécialistes

      Rôle et Missions : Prévention, soins conservateurs (caries, détartrage), pose de prothèses et actes chirurgicaux (extractions, implants).

      Formation :

      Chirurgien-dentiste : 6 ans post-bac (PASS/LAS + 5 ans d'études).    ◦ Dentiste pédiatrique : Spécialisation après le cursus de chirurgie dentaire.

      Compétences et Qualités Requises : Minutie, méthode, empathie, écoute, dextérité manuelle. Le dentiste pédiatrique doit savoir rassurer les enfants.

      Conditions de Travail : Métier sédentaire, en cabinet libéral ou hôpital. Travail en équipe (assistant, secrétaire).

      Rémunération :

      Chirurgien-dentiste : De 2 500 € à 7 500 € / mois selon l'expérience.    ◦ Dentiste pédiatrique : 2 500 € à 6 000 € / mois en libéral ; 2 000 € à 3 500 € en salariat.

      Biologiste Médical

      Rôle et Missions : Analyser des prélèvements biologiques (sang, urine) pour aider au diagnostic. Valide les prescriptions, interprète les résultats, participe à la recherche.

      Formation et Diplômes : Bac+9 minimum (Doctorat en Pharmacie ou Médecine + DES de biologie médicale).

      Compétences et Qualités Requises : Solides connaissances scientifiques, compétences en gestion, esprit d'initiative, sens du dialogue.

      Conditions de Travail : Travail sédentaire en laboratoire (privé ou hospitalier), en équipe. Semaines de 30 à 40 heures avec gardes possibles.

      Rémunération : À partir de 4 500 € brut/mois (public) ou 5 500 € brut/mois (privé).

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      Art, Création et Communication

      Ce secteur rassemble des métiers où la créativité, le sens esthétique et la capacité à transmettre un message sont primordiaux. Ils sont souvent passionnants mais peuvent être exigeants et concurrentiels.

      Directeur Artistique

      Rôle et Missions : Donner une identité visuelle forte à un projet (campagne publicitaire, site web, magazine). Élabore des concepts, choisit couleurs et typographies, supervise la production graphique.

      Formation et Diplômes : Formation en art graphique, design ou communication visuelle (Beaux-Arts, Gobelins, etc.). Licence (Bac+3) minimum, Master (Bac+5) recommandé.

      Compétences et Qualités Requises : Créatif, curieux, à l'affût des tendances, compétences techniques (Photoshop, Illustrator), rigueur, gestion du stress.

      Conditions de Travail : Exigeant, pression des délais, horaires parfois irréguliers en agence.

      Rémunération : Salaire annuel brut de 30 000 € à 40 000 € pour un débutant, 50 000 € à 70 000 € (voire plus) pour un profil confirmé.

      Journaliste

      Rôle et Missions : Rechercher, vérifier et transmettre des informations au public. Peut se spécialiser (grand reporter, journaliste politique, etc.).

      Formation et Diplômes : Formation post-bac dans l'une des 14 écoles de journalisme reconnues en France.

      Compétences et Qualités Requises : Rigueur, curiosité, disponibilité, maîtrise des outils multimédias.

      Conditions de Travail : Peut s'exercer sur le terrain ou en bureau. Horaires très variables, soumis à l'actualité (weekends, nuits). Débuts souvent précaires (pigiste).

      Rémunération : Très grandes variations de salaire, de 1 140 € à 45 000 € par mois.

      Metteur en Scène et Chorégraphe

      Rôle et Missions :

      Metteur en scène : Crée des spectacles, dirige une équipe artistique et gère des aspects variés (rédaction de dossiers, budgets).    ◦ Chorégraphe : Crée les mouvements pour des danseurs ou des comédiens. Souvent danseur à l'origine.

      Formation et Diplômes : Parcours universitaires (études théâtrales) ou expérience directe en tant qu'artiste (danseur).

      Compétences et Qualités Requises : Curiosité, travailleur, savoir-faire variés, capacité à diriger une équipe. La passion est décrite comme une "nécessité".

      Conditions de Travail : Métier difficile, conditions financières souvent précaires.

      Rémunération : Non spécifiée, mais la précarité est soulignée.

      Joaillier

      Rôle et Missions : Concevoir, fabriquer, réparer et restaurer des bijoux en métaux précieux. Combine savoir-faire artisanal, précision technique et créativité.

      Formation et Diplômes : Filières artisanales (CAP, BMA) ou artistiques (DN MADE, École Boulle, Haute École de Joaillerie).

      Conditions de Travail : Travail sédentaire en atelier, seul ou en équipe. Horaires de 35-39h/semaine pour les salariés, jusqu'à 50-60h pour les indépendants.

      Rémunération : Non spécifiée.

      Architecte d'Intérieur

      Rôle et Missions : Concevoir et réaliser l'aménagement d'espaces intérieurs. Visite les sites, dessine les plans, suit les chantiers.

      Formation et Diplômes : BTS Étude et réalisation d'agencement (Bac+2), DN MADE (Bac+3), Master (Bac+5).

      Compétences et Qualités Requises : Créativité, innovation, savoir dessiner.

      Conditions de Travail : Jongle entre le bureau (sédentaire) et le chantier (mobile). Le temps de travail est très variable, grande disponibilité requise.

      Rémunération : Débute à environ 2 300 €/mois, peut atteindre 3 800 €/mois en entreprise.

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      Droit, Sécurité et Service Public

      Ces professions sont au service de la justice, de la protection des citoyens et de l'ordre public. Elles exigent un grand sens de l'éthique, de la rigueur et une forte résistance au stress.

      Avocat

      Rôle et Missions : Conseiller, défendre et représenter les intérêts de ses clients (particuliers, entreprises) devant les juridictions. Peut être généraliste ou spécialisé.

      Formation et Diplômes : Master en droit (Bac+4/5) + examen d'entrée à l'École d'avocats (EDA) + 18 mois de formation pour obtenir le CAPA.

      Compétences et Qualités Requises : Patience, écoute, organisation, persévérance, connaissance approfondie du droit.

      Conditions de Travail : Travail mobile (tribunal) et sédentaire (cabinet). Profession majoritairement libérale, avec un temps de travail variable.

      Rémunération :

      ◦ Source 1 : 1 800 € à 2 700 € / mois en début de carrière.    ◦ Source 2 : 30 000 € à 40 000 € / an en début de carrière, peut dépasser 100 000 € / an avec l'expérience.

      Sapeur-Pompier Professionnel

      Rôle et Missions : Secourir les personnes et protéger les biens lors d'incendies, d'accidents et autres sinistres.

      Formation et Diplômes : Diplôme national du brevet minimum, suivi d'un concours.

      Compétences et Qualités Requises : Excellente condition physique et mentale, capacité à travailler en équipe, respect des ordres, gestion des émotions face à des situations choquantes.

      Conditions de Travail : Métier difficile, physiquement et mentalement. Forte hiérarchie et responsabilité croissante avec le grade.

      Rémunération : Varie selon le grade, complétée par des primes.

      Officier de Police Judiciaire (OPJ)

      Rôle et Missions : Constater les infractions, recevoir les plaintes, mener des enquêtes et placer des suspects en garde à vue sous l'autorité du procureur.

      Formation et Diplômes : Licence (Bac+3) + concours de l'École Nationale Supérieure de la Police (ENSP) (formation de 18 mois).

      Compétences et Qualités Requises : Rigueur, courage, droiture, sens du collectif.

      Conditions de Travail : Travail en commissariat, souvent en horaires décalés (nuit, weekends). Métier stressant, exigeant des décisions rapides et le respect strict des procédures.

      Rémunération : Un lieutenant débute à 2 420 € brut/mois, peut atteindre 4 000 € brut/mois en tant que commissaire.

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      Commerce, Gestion et Construction

      Ce secteur couvre la conception et la réalisation de bâtiments ainsi que la gestion des activités commerciales. Il requiert des compétences en organisation, en management et en communication.

      Architecte

      Rôle et Missions : Concevoir un projet architectural (plans) et suivre sa réalisation sur le chantier. Peut concerner des constructions neuves ou des rénovations.

      Formation et Diplômes : Diplôme d'architecte DPLG, obtenu après des études en école d'architecture. Formation continue exigée.

      Conditions de Travail : Moitié sédentaire (dessin, administratif), moitié mobile (relevés, réunions de chantier). Travail d'équipe indispensable. Temps de travail élevé (environ 50h/semaine pour un gérant).

      Rémunération : Non spécifiée.

      Conducteur de Travaux

      Rôle et Missions : Responsable de la gestion et de la coordination d'un chantier de construction. Veille au respect des délais, du budget et des normes de sécurité.

      Formation et Diplômes : DUT Génie Civil ou diplôme d'école d'ingénieur en construction.

      Compétences et Qualités Requises : Organisé, sens de la gestion, rigoureux, capable de résoudre des problèmes rapidement, bonne endurance physique.

      Conditions de Travail : Combine travail sur le chantier (extérieur) et au bureau (administratif). Travail en équipe. Semaines de 35 à 40 heures avec possibles heures supplémentaires.

      Rémunération : Salaire brut mensuel de 2 000 € à 2 500 € en début de carrière, pouvant atteindre 4 000 € ou plus.

      Manager Commercial

      Rôle et Missions : Gérer un ou plusieurs rayons d'un magasin, ce qui inclut le rangement, la mise en avant des produits et la gestion des achats.

      Formation et Diplômes : DUT Management ou Master Commercial.

      Compétences et Qualités Requises : Organisé, sociable, capable de calculer et de gérer des stocks.

      Conditions de Travail : Travail mobile au sein du magasin, en équipe. Semaines de 35 heures, mais peut inclure le travail le week-end et des horaires matinaux ou tardifs.

      Rémunération : Environ 1 100 € net/mois pour un alternant, jusqu'à 2 800 € net/mois pour un manager confirmé.

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      Science et Recherche

      Ces métiers sont dédiés à l'avancement des connaissances. Ils demandent un très haut niveau d'études, de la rigueur intellectuelle et une grande persévérance.

      Paléontologue

      Rôle et Missions : Étudier les restes fossiles des êtres vivants du passé. Extrait, préserve, étudie et reconstitue des squelettes.

      Formation et Diplômes : Longues études jusqu'au Doctorat (Bac+8).

      Compétences et Qualités Requises : Connaissances en biologie et géologie, maîtrise des technologies de fouille, patience et persévérance.

      Rémunération : Débute à 1 900 € brut/mois.

      Astrophysicien

      Rôle et Missions : Étudier le ciel, les objets célestes (étoiles, planètes, galaxies) et leurs caractéristiques physiques. Collecte et analyse des données de télescopes et satellites.

      Formation et Diplômes : Doctorat (thèse) incontournable. Voies possibles via l'université ou une école d'ingénieur.

      Compétences et Qualités Requises : Grande rigueur, capacité à se représenter des concepts abstraits, savoir travailler en équipe.

      Conditions de Travail : Principalement un métier de bureau, mais avec des déplacements pour les conférences. Horaires souples mais pouvant atteindre 40h/semaine.

      Rémunération : Varie selon les agences, de 3 000 € à 5 000 € net/mois.

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      Autres Métiers Spécialisés

      Libraire

      Rôle et Missions : Sélectionner, acheter et vendre des ouvrages. Conseille les clients, gère les stocks et organise des événements culturels.

      Formation et Diplômes : Formations possibles du CAP au DUT et Licence Professionnelle "Métiers du livre".

      Compétences et Qualités Requises : Bonne culture générale, goût pour la lecture, excellente mémoire, capable de rester debout longtemps.

      Conditions de Travail : Métier sédentaire en librairie, horaires de commerce (35-39h/semaine, incluant le samedi).

      Rémunération : Salaire brut mensuel de 1 500 € à 1 800 € pour un débutant.

      Accompagnateur en Moyenne Montagne

      Rôle et Missions : Accompagner des groupes de personnes en moyenne montagne (randonnée, raquettes). Ne peut pas marcher sur des glaciers ou utiliser des techniques d'alpinisme.

      Formation et Diplômes : Diplôme d'État, préparé au Centre National de Ski Nordique et de Moyenne Montagne.

      Compétences et Qualités Requises : Excellente condition physique, amour de la nature, savoir travailler en groupe.

      Conditions de Travail : Travail en extérieur par tous les temps. Statut souvent indépendant, nécessitant de se faire connaître.

      Rémunération : Gagne entre 170 € et 270 € par sortie.

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    1. our observations revealed that the students were most likely responding to the low expectations and mediocrity in teaching found in her "regular" grade-level classes (Perry, Steele and Hilliard, 2004).

      I experienced something very similar in my high school Spanish classes. It was common knowledge amongst students at the school that the teaching in the Spanish classes were mediocre, less than satisfactory, and undesirable. Additionally the expectations were very low and I learned very little despite taking 3 years of courses.

    1. Later, sometime after the printing press, Stondage highlights how there was an unusual period in American history that roughly took up the 1900s where, in America, news sources were centralized in certain newspapers and then the big 3 TV networks. In this period of time, these sources were roughly in agreement and broadcast news out to the country, making a more unified, consistent news environment (though, of course, we can point out how they were biased in ways like being almost exclusively white men).

      Stoneditch pointed out an unusual period of media concentration in the United States in the 1900s. This centralization creates a more unified national narrative that feels very different from today’s fragmented social media environment. This “solidarity” can silence minority voices because, as the passage points out, those mainstream newsrooms are dominated by white people, resulting in limited diversity in the news media, further increasing the promotion of a single group narrative.

    1. So all data that you might find is a simplification. There are many seemingly simple questions that in some situations or for some people, have no simple answers, questions like: What country are you from? What if you were born in one country, but moved to another shortly after? What if you are from a country that no longer exists like Czechoslovakia? Or from an occupied territory? How many people live in this house? Does a college student returning home for the summer count as living in that house? How many words are in this chapter? Different programs use different rules for what counts as a “word” [d19] E.g., this page has “2 + 2 = 4”, which Microsoft Word counts as 5 words, and Google Docs counts as 3 words.

      I find the simplification of data very interesting, because that is an aspect of coding that I have never really considered before. Even in our everyday lives, information is being simplified in a way that is easy for people to process and digest, so why should coding be any different? In particular, the examples of the complexity of even simple questions like "what country are you from" was interesting because I had never really considered the complexities behind questions like that.

    2. 4.2.5. Revisiting Twitter Users vs. Bots# Let’s go back to the question of whether less than 5% of Twitter users are spam bots. In this claim are several places where there are simplifications being made, particularly in the definitions of “Twitter users” and “spam bots.”

      While reading §4.2 and the debate over Twitter bots, I was struck by how definitions can quietly gain influence. For a class project, I modified a spam heuristic (number of URLs + account age), and my bot estimate went from 3% to 14%—the same data, just simplified. This convinced me that the "<5%" number wasn't a fact, but a governance decision about what's considered criticaI. Platforms should publish ranges based on uncertain scenarios and disclose the underlying assumptions. Question: Why don't we require confidence intervals and other definitions for platform metrics, as we do in epidemioIogy?

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    1. 1. finding data 2. fixing data 3. analyzing the data 4. communicating the story in the data

      The creation and research for my project will follow a similar list of components. 1) Locate and find the data: I have to select artworks that I believe are rich in narrative, to allow for an expressive animation. 2) Research and collect: Find as much information about the narrative as possible, and collect as much context as I can. The more the better, as it brings more content for the story. 3) Analyze the Data and Visuals: What parts are the best for animation? What would bring the narrative to life the most? 4) Communicating the Story in the Data: Using Krita and bringing the project to light.

    1. Digital archaeology overlaps with digital humanities

      My project ties into the themes of digital humanities as well. Digital humanities is how we apply digital technologies to study culture, history and the arts. Because my project requires a lot of research with these 3 categories, my work with Krita will integrate with the concept of digital humanities with archeology.

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      Referee #3

      Evidence, reproducibility and clarity

      Summary

      Marcu et al. demonstrate a gut-neuron axis that is required for the lifespan-shortening effects mediated by gut bacteria. They show that the presence of commensal bacteria-particularly Acetobacter pomorum-promotes Tk expression in the gut, which then binds to neuronal tachykinin receptors to shorten lifespan. Tk has also recently been reported to extend lifespan via adipokinetic hormone (Akh) signaling (Ahrentløv et al., Nat Metab 7, 2025), but the mechanism here appears distinct. The lifespan shortening by Ap via Tk seems to be partially dependent on foxo and independent of both insulin signaling and Akh-mediated lipid mobilization. Although the detailed mechanistic link to lifespan is not fully resolved, the experiment and its results clearly shows the involvement of the molecules tested. This work adds a valuable dimension to our growing understanding of how gut bacteria influence host longevity. However, there are some points that should be addressed.

      1. Tk+ EEC activity should be assessed directly, rather than relying solely on transcript levels. Approaches such as CaLexA or GCaMP could be used.
      2. In Line243, the manuscript states that the reporter activity was not increased in the posterior midgut. However, based on the presented results in Fig4E, there is seemingly not apparent regional specificity. A more detailed explanation is necessary.
      3. If feasible, assessing foxo activation would add mechanistic depth. This could be done by monitoring foxo nuclear localization or measuring the expression levels of downstream target genes.
      4. Fig1C uses Adh for normalization. Given the high variability of the result, the authors should (1) check whether Adh expression levels changed via bacterial association and/or (2) compare the results using different genes as internal standard.
      5. While the difficulty of maintaining lifelong axenic conditions is understandable, it may still be feasible to assess the induction of Tk (ie. Tk transcription or EE activity upregulation) by the microbiome on males.
      6. We also had some concerns regarding the wording of the title. Fig6B and C suggests that TkR86C, in addition to TkR99D, may be involved in the A. pomorum-lifespan interaction. Consider revising the title to refer more generally to the "tachykinin receptor" rather than only TkR99D. The difference between "aging" and "lifespan" should also be addressed. While the study shows a role for Tk in lifespan, assessment of aging phenotypes (eg. Climbing assay, ISC proliferation) beyond the smurf assay is required to make conclusions about aging.
      7. The statement in Line 82 that EEs express 14 peptide hormones should be supported with an appropriate reference, if available.

      Referees cross-commenting

      I agree with the other reviewers that the study has been done very well and hence additional experiments are not mandatory to be published such as calcium imaging. However, I still believe that testing Tk's elevation by the Ap in males should greatly increase the generality of the finding, no matter what the outcome would be. Too many studies use only females.

      Significance

      General assessment

      The main strength of this study is the careful and extensive lifespan analyses, which convincingly demonstrate the role of gut microbiota in regulating longevity. The authors clarify an important aspect of how microbial factors contribute to lifespan control. The main limitation is that the study primarily confirms the involvement of previously reported signaling pathways, without identifying novel molecular players or previously unrecognized mechanisms of lifespan regulation.

      Advance

      The lifespan-shortening effect of Acetobacter pomorum (Ap) has been reported previously, as has the lifespan-shortening effect of Tachykinin (Tk). However, this study is the first to link these two factors mechanistically, which represents a significant and original contribution to the field. The advance is primarily mechanistic, providing new insight into how microbial cues converge on host signaling pathways to influence ageing.

      Audience

      This work will be of particular interest to a specialized audience of basic researchers in ageing biology. It will also attract interest from microbiome researchers who are investigating host-microbe interactions and their physiological consequences. The findings will be useful as a conceptual framework for future mechanistic studies in this area.

      Field of expertise

      Drosophila ageing, lifespan, microbiome, metabolism

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      Evidence, reproducibility and clarity

      The main finding of this work is that microbiota impacts lifespan though regulating the expression of a gut hormone (Tk) which in turn acts on its receptor expressed on neurons. This conclusion is robust and based on a number of experimental observation, carefully using techniques in fly genetics and physiology: 1) microbiota regulates Tk expression, 2) lifespan reduction by microbiota is absent when Tk is knocked down in gut (specifically in the EEs), 3) Tk knockdown extends lifespan and this is recapitulated by knockdown of a Tk receptor in neurons. These key conclusions are very convincing. Additional data are presented detailing the relationship between Tk and insulin/IGF signalling and Akh in this context. These are two other important endocrine signalling pathways in flies. The presentation and analysis of the data are excellent.

      There are only a few experiments or edits that I would suggest as important to confirm or refine the conclusions of this manuscript. These are:

      1. When comparing the effects of microbiota (or single bacterial species) in different genetic backgrounds or experimental conditions, I think it would be good to show that the bacterial levels are not impacted by the other intervention(s). For example, the lifespan results observed in Figure 2A are consistent with Tk acting downstream of the microbes but also with Tk RNAi having an impact on the microbiota itself. I think this simple, additional control could be done for a few key experiments. Similarly, the authors could compare the two bacterial species to see if the differences in their effects come from different ability to colonise the flies.
      2. The effect of Tk RNAi on TAG is opposite in CR and Ax or CR and Ap flies, and the knockdown shows an effect in either case (Figure 2E, Figure 3D). Why is this? Better clarification is required.
      3. With respect to insulin signalling, all the experiments bar one indicate that insulin is mediating the effects of Tk. The one experiment that does not is using dilpGS to knock down TkR99D. Is it possible that this driver is simply not resulting in an efficient KD of the receptor? I would be inclined to check this, but as a minimum I would be a bit more cautious with the interpretation of these data.
      4. Is it possible to perform at least one lifespan repeat with the other Tk RNAi line mentioned? This would further clarify that there are no off-target effects that can account for the phenotypes.

      There are a few other experiments that I could suggest as I think they could enrich the current manuscript, but I do not believe they are essential for publication: 5. The manuscript could be extended with a little more biochemical/cell biology analysis. For example, is it possible to look at Tk protein levels, Tk levels in circulation, or even TkR receptor activation or activation of its downstream signalling pathways? Comparing Ax and CR or Ap and CR one would expect to find differences consistent with the model proposed. This would add depth to the genetic analysis already conducted. Similarly, for insulin signalling - would it be possible to use some readout of the pathway activity and compare between Ax and CR or Ap and CR? 6. The authors use a pan-acetyl-K antibody but are specifically interested in acetylated histones. Would it be possible to use antibodies for acetylated histones? This would have the added benefit that one can confirm the changes are not in the levels of histones themselves. 7. I think the presentation of the results could be tightened a bit, with fewer sections and one figure per section.

      Referees cross-commenting

      Reviewer 1

      I generally agree with this reviewer but for

      "I'm convinced by the data showing that FOXO is required for TkRNAi to prevent lifespan shortening by Ap, but FOXO doesn't only respond to insulin signalling and can't be taken by itself to indicate a role for insulin signalling which the authors appear to do here."

      To the best of my knowledge, Foxo has only been shown to be required for lifespan extension/modulation by a reduction in insulin-like signalling. I.e. it does respond to other pathways but this is the only one where Foxo activity is known to modulate lifespan.

      Reviewer 3

      I agree with reviewer 1 that point raised under (1) does not appear strictly required for the conclusions of the manuscript.

      Both reviewers 1 and 3:

      I have a different take on the results of experiments where IPCs are manipulated. To me, Figure 7D and E show that ablating the IPCs removes the difference between Ax and Ap i.e. the IPCs are involved and insulin-like signalling is likely involved. The fact that RNAi against the TKR99D receptor does not have the same effect, does not matter (the sensing could happen in different neurons). Similarly, dilp expression is only a minor readout of what is happening with insulin-like signalling - dilps are controlled at the level of secretion.

      However, I would be happy for the authors to present different arguments and make a reasonable conclusion, which may differ from mine. But I think the arguments I present above should be taken into account.

      Significance

      The main contribution of this manuscript is the identification of a mechanism that links the microbiota to lifespan. This is very exciting and topical for several reasons:

      1) The microbiota is very important for overall health but it is still unclear how. Studying the interaction between microbiota and health is an emerging, growing field, and one that has attracted a lot of interest, but one that is often lacking in mechanistic insight. Identifying mechanisms provides opportunities for therapies. The main impact of this study comes from using the fruit fly to identify a mechanism.

      2) It is very interesting that the authors focus on an endocrine mechanism, especially with the clear clinical relevance of gut hormones to human health recently demonstrated with new, effective therapies (e.g. Wegovy).

      3) Tk is emerging as an important fly hormone and this study adds a new and interesting dimension by placing TK between microbiota and lifespan.

      I think the manuscript will be of great interest to researchers in ageing, human and animal physiology and in gut endocrinology and gut function.

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      Referee #1

      Evidence, reproducibility and clarity

      Summary:

      In this study the authors use a Drosophila model to demonstrate that Tachykinin (Tk) expression is regulated by the microbiota. In Drosophila conventionally reared (CR) flies are typically shorter lived than those raised without a microbiota (axenic). Here, knockdown of Tk expression is found to prevent lifespan shortening by the microbiota and the reduction of lipid stores typically seen in CR flies when compared to axenic counterparts. It does so without reducing food intake or fecundity which are often seen as necessary trade-offs for lifespan extension. Further, the strength of the interaction between Tk and the microbiota is found to be bacteria specific and is stronger in Acetobacter pomorum (Ap) monoassociated flies compared to Levilactobacillus brevis (Lb) monoassociation. The impact on lipid storage was also only apparent in Ap-flies. Building on these findings the authors show that gut specific knockdown is largely sufficient to explain these phenotypes. Knockdown of the Tk receptor, TkR99D, in neurons recapitulates the lifespan phenotype of intestinal Tk knockdown supporting a model whereby Tk from the gut signals to TkR99D expressing neurons to regulate lifespan. In addition, the authors show that FOXO may have a role in lifespan regulation by the Tk-microbiota interaction. However, they rule out a role for insulin producing cells or Akh-producing cells suggesting the microbiota-Tk interaction regulates lifespan through other, yet unidentified, mechanisms.

      Major comments:

      Overall, I find the key conclusions of the paper convincing. The authors present an extensive amount of experimental work, and their conclusions are well founded in the data. In particular, the impact of TkRNAi on lifespan and lipid levels, the central finding in this study, has been demonstrated multiple times in different experiments and using different genetic tools. As a result, I don't feel that additional experimental work is necessary to support the current conclusions. However, I find it hard to assess the robustness of the lifespan data from the other manipulations used (TkR99DRNAi, TkRNAi in dFoxo mutants etc.) because information on the population size and whether these experiments have been replicated is lacking. Can the authors state in the figure legends the numbers of flies used for each lifespan and whether replicates have been done? For all other data it is clear how many replicates have been done, and the methods give enough detail for all experiments to be reproduced.

      Minor comments:

      While I feel the conclusions of this study are well supported by the data I found this to be a complex read and in places hard to follow. I feel some work is necessary in the writing to help the reader follow the authors logic. Below I describe some of the issues that confused me and provide some suggestions that I hope the authors will find helpful.

      Survival curves The authors state that the lifespan difference between CR and axenic flies disappears with TkRNAi because TkRNAi CR flies are longer lived, rather than because TkRNAi axenic flies are shorter lived. Is this consistent in every TkRNAi experiment? It's hard for the reader to assess this because the relevant lifespan curves are presented on separate plots. I'd encourage the authors to provide lifespan plots that enable comparison between all conditions. For example, in figures 2 and 6 the reader wants to directly compare between RU- and RU+ but can't easily do so. Additional plots could be made available in the supplementary figures showing the comparisons that are not easy to make on the main figures.

      Consistent framing of the data Do the interventions shorten lifespan relative to the axenic cohort? Or do they prevent lifespan extension by axenic conditions? Both statements are valid, and the authors need to be consistent in which one they use to avoid confusing the reader. For example, line 325 says TkR86CRNAi prevents lifespan extension in axenic flies. Given the framing in the previous sections, it might be clearer to say that TkR86CRNAi shortens the lifespan of axenic flies to that of CR flies in contrast to TkRNAi and TkR99DRNAi which don't.

      The impact of TkRNAi on lipid levels in axenic flies TkRNAi consistently reduces lipid levels in axenic flies (Figs 2E, 3D), essentially phenocopying the loss of lipid stores seen in control conventionally reared (CR) flies relative to control axenic. This suggests that the previously reported role of Tk in lipid storage - demonstrated through increased lipid levels in TkRNAi flies (Song et al (2014) Cell Rep 9(1): 40) - is dependent on the microbiota. In the absence of the microbiota TkRNAi reduces lipid levels. The lack of acknowledgement of this in the text is confusing for the reader because it is inconsistent with the microbiota driving both higher Tk expression and higher lipid storage. If the microbiota increases Tk expression and this results in reduced lipid storage, why does reduced Tk expression also result in reduced lipid storage in axenic flies? This could further highlight the unique impact that the interaction between TkRNAi and the microbiota has on lipid storage, given it reverses both the impact of the microbiota alone and TkRNAi alone. I feel this aspect of the data should be given more attention in the text both for clarity and because it may be telling us something important about the function of Tk. The current framing around pleiotropic effects is valid, and the impact of Tk on lipid storage is clearly independent of its impact on lifespan and so is not central to this study. However, I feel a short additional paragraph to acknowledge this nuance of the data is needed. It can be made clear in the text that further exploration is beyond the scope of the current study.

      Role of insulin signalling and insulin producing cells I'm convinced by the data showing that FOXO is required for TkRNAi to prevent lifespan shortening by Ap, but FOXO doesn't only respond to insulin signalling and can't be taken by itself to indicate a role for insulin signalling which the authors appear to do here.

      I would expect ablation of IPCs to have the opposite effect to foxo mutation and to increase FOXO activity throughout the organism due to a reduction in Dilp levels and so reduced insulin signalling. So, I have struggled to follow the authors logic in ablating the IPCs and feel a clear statement on what they expected the outcome to be would help the reader. They find that TkRNAi still prevents lifespan shortening by Ap when IPCs are ablated and that TkR99DRNAi in IPCs also doesn't block lifespan shortening by Ap despite reducing the expression of dilp3 and dilp5. To me these data rule out a role for insulin signalling despite the requirement for FOXO and yet the authors conclude that insulin signalling is involved in the response to Ap and TkRNAi, although not obligately (lines 420 - 422 and 511 - 512). Can the authors clarify their logic in concluding a role for insulin signalling, and qualify this conclusion with appropriate consideration of alternative hypotheses? The potential involvement of other signalling inputs to FOXO activity, e.g. immune signalling and JNK, should be acknowledged and warrants some discussion.

      Typographical errors:

      Incomplete sentence line 121 to 122 - starting "Cox proportional hazards.... and posthoc tests (Fig 2b).

      Line 123 "EMMs" - define abbreviation on first use

      References to Fig 2b (first given on line 122), should be capitalised to Fig 2B for consistency.

      Lines 231 and 317 - the phrase "steady state (microbiota independent) expression" in reference to flyATLAS 2 data could be misleading. The term "microbiota independent" could suggest that expression levels have been shown not to be regulated by the microbiota and this is not the case. The authors should change this to simply state they are referring to steady state expression in conventionally reared flies.

      Referees cross-commenting

      Below are brief comments on the revision suggestions that reviewers 2 and 3 have requested.

      Reviewer 2

      1. I agree that confirmation that TkRNAi doesn't impact microbial levels could be helpful and would be straightforward for the authors to do. However, I don't feel it's essential to support the central claims of the paper.
      2. I agree.
      3. I don't feel that any of these experiments supports a role for insulin signalling, so I don't feel that this additional control is needed.
      4. It would be a good addition to have lifespan data from a separate knockdown line for corroboration. However, this has already been done in several different genetic backgrounds through crosses with different driver lines in multiple tissues, so I feel it's unnecessary given the time and resources that lifespan experiments take. There's also the caveat that different RNAi lines can knockdown to different extents so that would have to be assessed as well and if there's a difference it may mean that ultimately not much can be concluded from this additional experiment.
      5. A good suggestion, but not straightforward and depends on the availability of the necessary tools, or possibly the generation of new tools. One for a follow up study.
      6. I feel this is not important enough to the central findings of the study to warrant the extra work.
      7. I agree.

      Reviewer 3 1. Imaging calcium signalling is not straightforward unless a lab already has the tools available and optimised. If Tk+ EEs show changes in calcium signalling I'm not convinced that this tells us anything specific to the Tk-microbiota interaction. The point is the role of Tk itself, not the broader activity of the cells that express it. 2. I agree this needs clarification. 3. I agree that this would add depth, if feasible, but feel it's not essential to support the current conclusions. 4. This is a minor point and given the RT-qPCR data and the RNAseq data corroborate each other I'm convinced that Tk levels are elevated. 5. I feel exploring this in males is opening an additional line of enquiry beyond the scope of the current study. Either the phenotypes are the same - in which case what is added? - or they are different but there's no scope to assess why. A good suggestion for a follow up study. 6. No comment. 7. Agreed.

      One final comment. It's true that FOXO has only been shown to regulate lifespan in the context of insulin signalling. However, as far as I'm aware it hasn't been shown not to regulate lifespan downstream of it's other activators, this simply hasn't been explored due to the historical focus on insulin signalling in this field. In the context of host-microbiota interactions considering other pathways the activate FOXO, such as immune and JNK signals, would make sense.

      Reviewed by Dr Rebecca Clark, Department of Biosciences, Durham University

      Significance

      Overall, I find the key conclusions of the paper convincing. The authors present an extensive amount of experimental work, and their conclusions are well founded in the data. We have known that the microbiota influence lifespan for some time but the mechanisms by which they do so have remained elusive. This study identifies one such mechanism and as a result opens several avenues for further research. The Tk-microbiota interaction is shown to be important for both lifespan and lipid homeostasis, although it's clear these are independent phenotypes. The fact that the outcome of the Tk-microbiota interaction depends on the bacterial species is of particular interest because it supports the idea that manipulation of the microbiota, or specific aspects of the host-microbiota interaction, may have therapeutic potential.<br /> These findings will be of interest to a broad readership spanning host-microbiota interactions and their influence on host health. They move forward the study of microbial regulation of host longevity and have relevance to our understanding of microbial regulation of host lipid homeostasis. They will also be of significant interest to those studying the mechanisms of action and physiological roles of Tachykinins.

      Field of expertise: Drosophila, gut, ageing, microbiota, innate immunity

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    1. Document d'information : La Santé Mentale des Mineurs en France

      video Présentation du rapport à l'Assemblée nationale

      Résumé

      Ce document synthétise les conclusions du rapport d'information de l'Assemblée Nationale sur la santé mentale des mineurs.

      Le constat principal est un écart grandissant et critique entre une demande de soins en forte augmentation et une offre de soins publique saturée, sous-financée et géographiquement inégale.

      Cette crise systémique entraîne des prises en charge tardives, un recours accru aux psychotropes et une saturation des services d'urgence.

      La hausse de la demande est un phénomène multifactoriel, résultant d'une meilleure détection des troubles et d'une moindre stigmatisation, mais aussi de l'impact croissant de déterminants sociaux, environnementaux et numériques.

      Les violences intrafamiliales, la précarité, la pression scolaire (notamment via Parcoursup), l'exposition aux écrans et un contexte général anxiogène (géopolitique, environnemental) sont identifiés comme des facteurs majeurs.

      Les populations les plus vulnérables, notamment les enfants suivis par l'Aide Sociale à l'Enfance (ASE) et les mineurs non accompagnés (MNA), sont particulièrement touchées et leur prise en charge est souvent défaillante.

      Face à cette situation, le rapport préconise une double stratégie ambitieuse.

      D'une part, il appelle à une consolidation de l'offre de soins existante, en réaffirmant les principes fondateurs de la psychiatrie de secteur.

      Cela implique de renforcer le maillage territorial, de rendre effective une gradation des soins (médecins généralistes, Maisons des Adolescents en première ligne ; Centres Médico-Psychologiques comme pivot ; centres de crise pour les urgences) et d'améliorer la coordination entre les secteurs sanitaire, social et éducatif.

      D'autre part, le rapport insiste sur la nécessité de déployer des politiques de prévention robustes, en agissant sur trois environnements clés :

      1. L'environnement familial : via un soutien renforcé à la parentalité, notamment durant la période périnatale (les 1000 premiers jours).

      2. L'environnement scolaire : en restaurant la capacité de détection précoce des services de santé scolaire et en apaisant un climat jugé trop compétitif et anxiogène.

      3. L'environnement numérique : par une régulation de l'usage des écrans et des campagnes de prévention sur les dangers de l'addiction.

      La mise en œuvre de ces recommandations nécessite un investissement financier pérenne, une revalorisation des professions de la pédopsychiatrie pour renforcer leur attractivité, et une meilleure formation de l'ensemble des professionnels au contact des enfants.

      Perspectives des Rapporteures

      Les deux co-rapporteures, bien que partageant de nombreuses préconisations, soulignent des priorités et des analyses distinctes dans leurs avant-propos.

      Mme Nathalie Colin-Oesterlé met l'accent sur :

      La prévention comme axe clé, en particulier durant la période de la conception aux deux ans de l'enfant.

      Le rôle décisif des parents, insistant sur les conséquences de leur absence psychique ou physique et le manque de cadre.

      Les dangers de l'addiction aux écrans, soutenant la majorité numérique et une "pause numérique" dans les établissements scolaires.

      La nécessité d'une meilleure gradation des soins et d'une coopération renforcée entre les secteurs public et privé pour désengorger les Centres Médico-Psychologiques (CMP).

      Mme Anne Stambach-Terrenoir insiste sur :

      Le manque structurel de moyens de la pédopsychiatrie publique, critiquant une "réponse néolibérale" qui privilégie la réorganisation à l'investissement.

      Les déterminants sociaux des troubles mentaux, liant la dégradation de la santé mentale à l'augmentation des inégalités sociales, à la précarité et aux évolutions du monde du travail (horaires atypiques).

      Les effets anxiogènes du système scolaire, citant Parcoursup et les réformes Blanquer comme des facteurs aggravants.

      L'urgence de redonner des moyens financiers et humains aux services publics existants (santé, Éducation nationale, ASE) plutôt que de financer des "projets innovants" non pérennes.

      I. Un Écart Croissant entre la Demande et l'Offre de Soins

      Le rapport dresse le constat d'une crise profonde, caractérisée par une demande de soins psychiques exponentielle face à une offre contrainte, fragmentée et souvent inaccessible.

      A. Un Enjeu de Santé Publique Majeur

      1. Augmentation et Nature de la Demande de Soins

      Prévalence : Selon la DGOS, 1,6 million d'enfants et d'adolescents en France souffriraient d'un trouble psychique.

      Données Épidémiologiques :

      ◦ L'enquête Enabee (2022) révèle que 13 % des enfants de 6 à 11 ans et 8,3 % des 3-6 ans présentent un trouble probable de santé mentale.   

      ◦ L'enquête Enclass (2022) sur les collégiens et lycéens montre que 14 % des collégiens et 15 % des lycéens présentent un risque important de dépression. 24 % des lycéens déclarent des pensées suicidaires au cours des 12 derniers mois.

      Différences de Genre : Les enquêtes confirment une prévalence plus forte des troubles internalisés (anxio-dépressifs) chez les filles, et des troubles externalisés (comportement, hyperactivité) chez les garçons.

      Interprétation des Données : Plusieurs experts auditionnés appellent à la prudence, soulignant que la notion de "trouble probable" ne constitue pas un diagnostic clinique et qu'il existe un risque de médicalisation excessive de phénomènes développementaux normaux ou de difficultés sociales.

      Une Parole Libérée : L'augmentation des demandes s'explique aussi par une meilleure connaissance des troubles, une déstigmatisation progressive et une plus grande capacité des jeunes et de leurs parents à exprimer une souffrance psychique.

      2. Un Phénomène Multifactoriel

      La dégradation de la santé mentale des mineurs est le produit de multiples facteurs :

      Violences : 30 % des patients en pédopsychiatrie sont victimes de maltraitance parentale. L'exposition aux violences (physiques, sexuelles, psychologiques, intrafamiliales) est un déterminant majeur.

      Déterminants Sociaux : La précarité, les conditions de logement et le niveau de revenu sont corrélés à un risque plus élevé de développer des troubles mentaux.

      Environnement Numérique : L'exposition excessive aux écrans est unanimement identifiée comme un facteur aggravant les troubles anxieux dépressifs. Elle perturbe le sommeil, isole et expose à des contenus préjudiciables (cyberharcèlement, contenus violents, pornographiques).

      Environnement Social Anxiogène :

      Milieu scolaire : Le harcèlement (5% des élèves du CE2 au CM2, 6% des collégiens), la pression liée à la performance, l'inadaptation de certains programmes et un système d'orientation jugé anxiogène (Parcoursup) contribuent au stress et au "refus scolaire anxieux".  

      Contexte global : L'éco-anxiété et les peurs liées au contexte géopolitique (guerres, attentats) participent également à l'angoisse des jeunes.

      3. Prise en Charge Défaillante des Populations les plus Vulnérables

      Aide Sociale à l'Enfance (ASE) : Les enfants suivis par l'ASE sont surreprésentés dans les services de psychiatrie (occupant jusqu'à 40-50 % des lits d'hospitalisation à temps plein). Leurs parcours chaotiques et les carences affectives engendrent des troubles sévères, mais leur suivi médical est souvent défaillant et discontinu.

      L'hôpital se substitue parfois à un lieu d'hébergement.

      Mineurs Non Accompagnés (MNA) : Ces jeunes souffrent massivement de stress post-traumatique lié à des parcours migratoires extrêmement violents (guerres, torture, naufrages).

      Leurs conditions d'accueil et les procédures d'évaluation de leur minorité aggravent leur vulnérabilité et complexifient leur accès aux soins.

      B. Une Offre de Soins Insuffisante et Illisible

      Le système de la "sectorisation", conçu pour garantir un accès équitable aux soins, est aujourd'hui saturé.

      1. Une Offre Contrainte face à une Demande Croissante

      Moyens Inadaptés : 58 % des lits d'hospitalisation en pédopsychiatrie ont été supprimés entre 1986 et 2013. De nombreux jeunes sont hospitalisés en services pour adultes, avec les risques que cela comporte.

      Pénurie de Soignants : La situation est critique, notamment pour les pédopsychiatres, dont le nombre a diminué de 34 % entre 2010 et 2022.

      La profession est vieillissante (moyenne d'âge de 60 ans) et peu attractive pour les jeunes médecins.

      La pénurie concerne également les infirmiers, les médecins scolaires et les psychologues dans le secteur public.

      Disparités Territoriales : L'accès aux soins est très inégal. La densité de pédopsychiatres varie fortement d'une région à l'autre (ex: 9 pour 100 000 jeunes en PACA, 3 en Hauts-de-France).

      Les zones rurales et les départements d'outre-mer sont particulièrement sous-dotés.

      2. Une Multiplicité d'Acteurs Rend l'Offre Illisible

      Bien que des structures comme les Maisons des Adolescents (MDA) et les Équipes Mobiles (EMPEA) jouent un rôle crucial, la multiplication des dispositifs et des centres experts (qui posent des diagnostics sans assurer de suivi) rend le parcours de soins complexe et illisible pour les familles.

      3. Des Conséquences Déléteres

      Prise en Charge Tardive : Les délais d'attente pour un premier rendez-vous en Centre Médico-Psychologique (CMP), pivot du système, peuvent atteindre 12 à 18 mois, conduisant à une aggravation des troubles.

      Recours Accru aux Psychotropes : Face à la saturation des dispositifs de suivi thérapeutique, la prescription de psychotropes aux mineurs a augmenté de 18 % entre 2019 et 2023.

      Cette médicalisation est souvent perçue comme une solution par défaut.

      Saturation des Urgences : Faute de prise en charge en amont, les services d'urgence deviennent le lieu du premier diagnostic lors de crises aiguës, ce qui contribue à leur engorgement.

      II. Stratégies de Consolidation de l'Offre et de Prévention

      Le rapport formule 53 recommandations visant à la fois à renforcer le système de soins existant et à mettre en œuvre une politique de prévention ambitieuse.

      A. Améliorer la Prise en Charge

      1. Rendre l'Offre de Soins Graduée et Effective

      Réaffirmer le Rôle du Secteur : La priorité est de consolider le maillage existant plutôt que de créer de nouveaux dispositifs. Le CMP doit rester le pivot du parcours, avec un accueil inconditionnel.

      Mettre en Place une Gradation Claire :

      Premier niveau : Médecins généralistes, pédiatres, psychologues de ville et Maisons des Adolescents (MDA), qui doivent être adossées à des centres de soins.  

      Deuxième niveau : Les CMP, dont les moyens et le maillage doivent être renforcés (objectif : un accès en moins de 30 minutes pour chaque enfant).   

      Gestion des crises : Création de centres de crise adossés aux urgences pédiatriques pour les épisodes aigus, limitant ainsi le recours aux urgences générales.

      2. Renforcer la Formation et l'Attractivité des Professions

      Formation : Il est crucial de mieux former tous les professionnels : médecins généralistes (détection précoce), infirmiers (stage obligatoire en psychiatrie, développement de la pratique avancée), professionnels de la petite enfance (théorie de l'attachement).

      Attractivité : Pour lutter contre la pénurie, il est préconisé de revaloriser les salaires et les tarifs des consultations, d'améliorer les conditions de travail et de créer une chaire de psychiatrie de l'enfant et de l'adolescent dans chaque CHU pour revaloriser la discipline.

      3. Améliorer la Coordination et le Financement

      Coordination Intersectorielle : Une meilleure articulation est nécessaire avec l'ASE (création de structures mixtes soin-hébergement), l'Éducation nationale (redynamisation des RASED, intégration de la santé scolaire dans les projets de santé mentale) et le secteur médico-social (adossement des CMPP au secteur sanitaire).

      Financement : Le rapport appelle à pérenniser et flécher les budgets de la pédopsychiatrie, à privilégier les dotations pluriannuelles aux appels à projets, et à réformer le codage des actes pour valoriser le temps de coordination et d'échange avec les familles, qui est au cœur du soin pédopsychiatrique.

      B. Privilégier les Politiques Préventives

      1. Agir sur l'Environnement Familial

      Périnatalité et 1000 Premiers Jours : C'est une période cruciale. Il faut développer les équipes dédiées à la périnatalité dans chaque CMP, étoffer les unités d'hospitalisation conjointes parents-bébé et généraliser les "maisons des 1000 premiers jours" pour accompagner tous les parents.

      Soutien à la Parentalité : Les parents sont des acteurs essentiels de la prise en charge.

      Il faut renforcer les dispositifs qui les accompagnent et les forment, notamment via des associations et des groupes de parole.

      2. Agir sur l'Environnement Scolaire

      Renforcer la Santé Scolaire : Il est urgent d'engager un plan de recrutement massif de médecins scolaires, d'infirmiers et de psychologues de l'Éducation nationale pour atteindre des ratios acceptables.

      Rendre la Détection Précoce Effective : Les bilans de santé à 6 ans et 12 ans doivent être systématiquement réalisés et inclure un volet de dépistage des troubles de santé mentale.

      Apaiser le Climat Scolaire : L'école doit devenir un lieu moins anxiogène, en favorisant les compétences psychosociales (cours d'empathie) et en réformant un système d'orientation jugé trop précoce et compétitif.

      3. Agir sur l'Environnement Numérique

      Responsabiliser les Parents : Il est essentiel de sensibiliser les parents à leur propre usage des écrans et à l'"absence psychique" qui en découle, ainsi qu'à la nécessité de passer du temps qualitatif sans écrans avec leurs enfants.

      Déployer des Campagnes de Prévention : Des campagnes massives sur les dangers de l'addiction aux écrans sont nécessaires.

      Réguler à l'École : La "pause numérique" (interdiction des téléphones portables) doit être généralisée dans tous les établissements scolaires.

      La majorité numérique doit également être rendue effective pour protéger les plus jeunes.

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    1. renúncia

      3. É possível indeferir pedido de desistência recursal, veiculado anteriormente ao julgamento, desde que a negativa de desistência seja avaliada pelo colegiado em questão de ordem, levando-se em consideração:

      • (i) se tratar de tema nunca enfrentado no STJ ("leading case"),

      • (ii) haver indícios de estratagema a evitar jurisprudência em pedidos de desistência homologados anteriormente envolvendo o mesmo desistente,

      • (iii) o sorteio de relatoria preceder a apresentação do pedido de desistência e

      • (iv) haver forte interesse público no enfrentamento do objeto recursal a recomendar orientação jurisprudencial nacional.

      (REsp n. 2.172.296/RJ, relatora Ministra Nancy Andrighi, Terceira Turma, julgado em 4/2/2025, DJEN de 7/2/2025.)

    2. Art. 17
      • Informativo nº 844
      • 25 de março de 2025.
      • RECURSOS REPETITIVOS
      • Processo: REsp 2.021.665-MS, Rel. Ministro Moura Ribeiro, Corte Especial, por maioria, julgado em 13/3/2025. (Tema 1198).

      Ramo do Direito DIREITO CIVIL, DIREITO PROCESSUAL CIVIL

      TemaPaz, Justiça e Instituições Eficazes <br /> Demandas abusivas. Documentos capazes de comprovar a seriedade da demanda. Exigência. Finalidade. Coibição de fraude processual. Tema 1198.

      Destaque - Constatados indícios de litigância abusiva, o juiz pode exigir, de modo fundamentado e com observância à razoabilidade do caso concreto, a emenda da petição inicial a fim de demonstrar o interesse de agir e a autenticidade da postulação, respeitadas as regras de distribuição do ônus da prova.

      Informações do Inteiro Teor - Cinge-se a controvérsia em verificar a possibilidade de o juiz, em um estágio inicial do processo, exigir que a parte apresente documentos capazes de evidenciar a verossimilhança do direito alegado, pavimentando, dessa forma, o caminho para a entrega de uma tutela jurisdicional efetiva e coibindo, a um só tempo, a prática de fraudes processuais. Ou seja, saber até que ponto ou em qual medida o juiz, antevendo a natureza temerária da lide, pode exigir da parte autora que apresente documentos capazes de confirmar a seriedade da pretensão deduzida em juízo.

      • Nas sociedades de massa, em que a grande maioria da população integra processos de produção, distribuição e consumo de larga escala, é esperado o surgimento de demandas e lides também massificadas. Essa litigância de massa, conquanto apresente novos desafios ao Poder Judiciário, constitui manifestação legítima do direito de ação.

      • Observa-se, no entanto, em várias regiões do país, verdadeira avalanche de processos infundados, marcados pelo exercício de advocacia abusiva, predatória, que não encontra respaldo no legítimo direito de ação. Tais feitos não apenas embaraçam o exercício de uma jurisdição efetiva, mas verdadeiramente criam sérios problemas de política pública, conforme identificado por órgãos de inteligência de vários tribunais do país.

      • A possibilidade de o juiz exigir a apresentação de documentos para comprovar o interesse de agir ou a verossimilhança do direito alegado tem sido admitida por esta Corte e também pelo Supremo Tribunal Federal (STF) em diversas situações.

      • Por isso, poderá o juiz, a fim de coibir o uso fraudulento do processo, exigir que o autor apresente extratos bancários, cópias de contratos, comprovante de residência, procuração atualizada e com poderes específicos, dentre outros documentos, a depender de cada caso concreto.

      • A procuração outorgada para determinada causa em regra não subsiste para outras ações distintas e desvinculadas, porque uma vez executado o negócio cessa o mandato para o qual outorgado (art. 682, IV, do Código Civil - CC). Assim, caso o advogado apresente instrumento muito antigo, dando margem a descrença de que não existe mais relação atual com o cliente, é lícito ao juiz determinar que a situação seja esclarecida, com juntada de um eventual novo instrumento.

      • A cautela indicada tem respaldo em princípios constitucionais de acesso à justiça, de proteção ao consumidor e de duração razoável do processo, harmonizando-se, ainda, com os postulados legais que privilegiam o julgamento de mérito e impõem o dever de cooperação entre os sujeitos do processo que, afinal, precisa ter desenvolvimento válido e regular.

      • O risco de exigências judiciais excessivas, como de resto o de qualquer decisão judicial equivocada, constitui realidade inexpugnável, ínsita ao sistema de Justiça, mas que deve ser controlado pontualmente em cada processo, não podendo ser invocado como obstáculo à adoção de boas práticas na condução judicial do feito.


      1. Nos termos do entendimento do Superior Tribunal de Justiça, a "ausência de legitimidade ativa, por se tratar de uma das condições da ação, é matéria de ordem pública cognoscível a qualquer tempo e grau, sendo insuscetível de preclusão nas instâncias ordinárias" (REsp 1.731.214/AL, relator Ministro Herman Benjamin, Segunda Turma, julgado em 8/5/2018, DJe de 19/11/2018). (AgInt no AgInt no AREsp n. 2.399.315/MA, relator Ministro Paulo Sérgio Domingues, Primeira Turma, julgado em 30/9/2024, DJe de 7/10/2024.)

      2. VI. Na forma da jurisprudência dominante desta Corte, as questões de ordem pública, apreciáveis, de ofício, em qualquer tempo e grau de jurisdição, nas instâncias ordinárias (e.g., pressupostos processuais, condições da ação, decadência, prescrição, etc.), não se sujeitam à preclusão, podendo ser suscitadas, ainda que em sede de Embargos de Declaração. Precedentes [...] (EAREsp n. 146.473/ES, relatora Ministra Assusete Magalhães, Primeira Seção, julgado em 11/10/2023, DJe de 19/10/2023.)


      Lei 9.507/97 (Lei do Habeas-data)

      • Art. 8° A petição inicial, que deverá preencher os requisitos dos arts. 282 a 285 do Código de Processo Civil, será apresentada em duas vias, e os documentos que instruírem a primeira serão reproduzidos por cópia na segunda.

      Parágrafo único. A petição inicial deverá ser instruída com prova:

      I - da recusa ao acesso às informações ou do decurso de mais de dez dias sem decisão; (Recusa administrativa)

      II - da recusa em fazer-se a retificação ou do decurso de mais de quinze dias, sem decisão; ou

      III - da recusa em fazer-se a anotação a que se refere o § 2° do art. 4° ou do decurso de mais de quinze dias sem decisão.


      • RE 631240 (Repercussão Geral - Tema 350)
      • Órgão julgador: Tribunal Pleno
      • Relator(a): Min. ROBERTO BARROSO
      • Julgamento: 03/09/2014
      • Publicação: 10/11/2014

      Ementa Ementa: RECURSO EXTRAORDINÁRIO. REPERCUSSÃO GERAL. PRÉVIO REQUERIMENTO ADMINISTRATIVO E INTERESSE EM AGIR. 1. A instituição de condições para o regular exercício do direito de ação é compatível com o art. 5º, XXXV, da Constituição. Para se caracterizar a presença de interesse em agir, é preciso haver necessidade de ir a juízo. 2. A concessão de benefícios previdenciários depende de requerimento do interessado, não se caracterizando ameaça ou lesão a direito antes de sua apreciação e indeferimento pelo INSS, ou se excedido o prazo legal para sua análise. É bem de ver, no entanto, que a exigência de prévio requerimento não se confunde com o exaurimento das vias administrativas. 3. A exigência de prévio requerimento administrativo não deve prevalecer quando o entendimento da Administração for notória e reiteradamente contrário à postulação do segurado. 4. Na hipótese de pretensão de revisão, restabelecimento ou manutenção de benefício anteriormente concedido, considerando que o INSS tem o dever legal de conceder a prestação mais vantajosa possível, o pedido poderá ser formulado diretamente em juízo – salvo se depender da análise de matéria de fato ainda não levada ao conhecimento da Administração –, uma vez que, nesses casos, a conduta do INSS já configura o não acolhimento ao menos tácito da pretensão. 5. Tendo em vista a prolongada oscilação jurisprudencial na matéria, inclusive no Supremo Tribunal Federal, deve-se estabelecer uma fórmula de transição para lidar com as ações em curso, nos termos a seguir expostos. 6. Quanto às ações ajuizadas até a conclusão do presente julgamento (03.09.2014), sem que tenha havido prévio requerimento administrativo nas hipóteses em que exigível, será observado o seguinte: (i) caso a ação tenha sido ajuizada no âmbito de Juizado Itinerante, a ausência de anterior pedido administrativo não deverá implicar a extinção do feito; (ii) caso o INSS já tenha apresentado contestação de mérito, está caracterizado o interesse em agir pela resistência à pretensão; (iii) as demais ações que não se enquadrem nos itens (i) e (ii) ficarão sobrestadas, observando-se a sistemática a seguir. 7. Nas ações sobrestadas, o autor será intimado a dar entrada no pedido administrativo em 30 dias, sob pena de extinção do processo. Comprovada a postulação administrativa, o INSS será intimado a se manifestar acerca do pedido em até 90 dias, prazo dentro do qual a Autarquia deverá colher todas as provas eventualmente necessárias e proferir decisão. Se o pedido for acolhido administrativamente ou não puder ter o seu mérito analisado devido a razões imputáveis ao próprio requerente, extingue-se a ação. Do contrário, estará caracterizado o interesse em agir e o feito deverá prosseguir. 8. Em todos os casos acima – itens (i), (ii) e (iii) –, tanto a análise administrativa quanto a judicial deverão levar em conta a data do início da ação como data de entrada do requerimento, para todos os efeitos legais. 9. Recurso extraordinário a que se dá parcial provimento, reformando-se o acórdão recorrido para determinar a baixa dos autos ao juiz de primeiro grau, o qual deverá intimar a autora – que alega ser trabalhadora rural informal – a dar entrada no pedido administrativo em 30 dias, sob pena de extinção. Comprovada a postulação administrativa, o INSS será intimado para que, em 90 dias, colha as provas necessárias e profira decisão administrativa, considerando como data de entrada do requerimento a data do início da ação, para todos os efeitos legais. O resultado será comunicado ao juiz, que apreciará a subsistência ou não do interesse em agir.


      Art. 217, Constituição Federal:

      § 1º O Poder Judiciário só admitirá ações relativas à disciplina e às competições desportivas após esgotarem-se as instâncias da justiça desportiva, regulada em lei.

    3. juízo federal

      CONFLITO NEGATIVO DE COMPETÊNCIA. JUSTIÇA COMUM ESTADUAL E JUSTIÇA FEDERAL. ADOÇÃO. CRIANÇA INDÍGENA. ART. 28, §6º, III, DO ECA. ART. 109, I E XI DA CF. OBRIGATORIEDADE DE INTERVENÇÃO DA FUNAI COMO ENTIDADE CONSULTIVA. DIREITO PARTICULAR DA CRIANÇA INDÍGENA QUE NÃO SE CONFUNDE COM DIREITOS INDÍGENAS PREVISTOS NO ART. 231 DA CF. COMPETÊNCIA DA JUSTIÇA ESTADUAL QUE POSSUI MELHOR ESTRUTURA E EQUIPE ESPECIALIZADA. MELHOR INTERESSE DA CRIANÇA E DO ADOLESCENTE. - 1. Conflito negativo de competência suscitado em 22/10/2024 e concluso ao gabinete em 19/12/2024. - 2. O propósito do conflito de competência consiste em decidir se: (I) é obrigatória a intervenção da Fundação Nacional dos Povos Indígenas (FUNAI) em ação de adoção de criança indígena; e (II) se sim, qual o Juízo competente para o processamento de ação de adoção de criança indígena. - 3. A intervenção da Fundação Nacional dos Povos Indígenas (FUNAI) em ações de adoção de crianças e adolescentes de origem indígena possibilita melhor verificação das condições e particularidades da família biológica, a fim de propiciar o seu adequado acolhimento na família substituta. - 4. Nos termos do art. 28, § 6º, III, do ECA, a participação da FUNAI é obrigatória perante a equipe multiprofissional ou interdisciplinar que irá acompanhar a demanda, a fim de que possa verificar o adequado acolhimento da criança adotanda e, consequentemente, a proteção de seus melhores interesses. Precedentes. - 5. O fato de a criança ou do adolescente adotandos pertencerem à etnia indígena não atrai, por si só, a competência da Justiça Federal para o processamento da ação de adoção, pois o procedimento de adoção diz respeito a direito privado, uma vez tratar-se de interesse particular de criança ou adolescente, ainda que de origem indígena, não sendo devida a aplicação da competência prevista no art. 109, I e XI, da CF. - 6. É do melhor interesse de crianças e adolescentes indígenas a competência da Justiça Estadual para processar e julgar ações de adoção, uma vez que a Vara da Infância e Juventude <u>terá maiores e melhores condições</u> de acompanhar o procedimento, contando com equipe técnica qualificada e especializada. - 7. No conflito de competência sob julgamento, a ação de adoção na origem não envolve direitos indígenas previstos no art. 231 da CF, mas diz respeito a adoção intuitu personae de criança indígena de etnia Kayapó, promovida por pessoa também indígena, que cuida da criança desde o seu nascimento. - 8. O Juízo Federal suscitante expressamente reconhece a inexistência de interesse jurídico da FUNAI na lide, sobretudo porque não envolveria direitos indígenas coletivamente considerados, nos termos da Súmula 150/STJ. - 9. Portanto, a presença <u>obrigatória</u> da FUNAI não atrai a competência automática da Justiça Federal, devendo a demanda ser processada e acompanhada pela Justiça Estadual, uma vez que a Vara da Infância e Juventude apresenta instrumentos e equipe especializada para assegurar o atendimento ao melhor interesse da criança adotanda. - 10. Conflito de competência conhecido para declarar competente o Juízo de Direito da Vara Cível da Comarca de São Félix do Xingu - PA, ora suscitado.

      (CC n. 209.192/PA, relatora Ministra Nancy Andrighi, Segunda Seção, julgado em 3/4/2025, DJEN de 9/4/2025.)

    4. prazo
      • Edição Extraordinária nº 8
      • Direito Público
      • 17 de janeiro de 2023
      • Processo: AgInt no AREsp 2.118.653-SP, Rel. Ministro Humberto Martins, Segunda Turma, por unanimidade, julgado em 28/11/2022, DJe 30/11/2022.

      Ramo do Direito DIREITO PROCESSUAL CIVIL

      TemaPaz, Justiça e Instituições Eficazes <br /> Recurso especial e agravo em recurso especial. Tempestividade recursal. Aferição. Prazos em curso no Tribunal de origem.

      Destaque - A tempestividade do recurso especial e do respectivo agravo em recurso especial deve ser aferida de acordo com os prazos em curso na Corte de <u>origem</u>.

      Informações do Inteiro Teor - A tempestividade do recurso especial e do agravo respectivo deve ser aferida de acordo com os prazos em curso na Corte de origem, e não no STJ.

      • Esta é a jurisprudência do Superior Tribunal de Justiça, no sentido de que "O prazo dos recursos interpostos perante a Corte de origem ainda que estejam endereçados a este Tribunal - obedece ao calendário de funcionamento do Tribunal de origem, sendo irrelevante, para a verificação da tempestividade do recurso, a existência de recesso forense, no STJ" (AgInt no AREsp 1.149.576/SP, rel. Ministra Assusete Magalhães, Segunda Turma, julgado em 3/4/2018, DJe 10/4/2018).
    1. Note de Synthèse : Rapport sur la Santé Mentale des Mineurs

      Le rapport: https://hyp.is/go?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.assemblee-nationale.fr%2Fdyn%2F17%2Frapports%2Fdde%2Fl17b1700_rapport-information.pdf&group=world

      Résumé

      Ce document de synthèse présente les conclusions et recommandations clés du rapport parlementaire sur la santé mentale des mineurs.

      Le constat principal est une dégradation alarmante de la santé psychique des enfants et adolescents en France, avec 1,6 million de mineurs souffrant d'un trouble psychique, et une augmentation particulièrement marquée de +70% chez les 10-14 ans entre 2017 et 2023.

      Le système de soins est totalement débordé, avec seulement un jeune sur deux ayant accès à un suivi et des délais d'attente atteignant 18 mois pour un premier rendez-vous en Centre Médico-Psychologique (CMP).

      Le rapport identifie deux crises interdépendantes : d'une part, une offre de soins illisible, sous-financée et en manque criant de personnel, et d'autre part, une prévention quasi inexistante, notamment dans le cadre scolaire.

      Une surreprésentation dramatique des enfants de l'Aide Sociale à l'Enfance (ASE) au sein des services de pédopsychiatrie (jusqu'à 40% des lits pour 2% de la population mineure) met en lumière la faillite du suivi de ces publics particulièrement vulnérables.

      Les 54 recommandations formulées visent à une refonte structurelle du système. Les priorités incluent :

      1. La réorganisation du parcours de soins via une "gradation" claire, renforçant le premier recours (médecins généralistes, pédiatres) pour désengorger les CMP.

      2. Le renforcement des CMP comme pivots du système, avec des budgets pérennes, un maillage territorial assurant un accès en 30 minutes, et une approche pluridisciplinaire.

      3. L'investissement massif dans la prévention, de la périnatalité (unités parents-bébés) à la santé scolaire (atteindre les ratios européens de médecins et psychologues).

      4. Une meilleure prise en charge des enfants de l'ASE avec un repérage systématique, un suivi de santé effectif et la création de structures mixtes soin-hébergement.

      5. La lutte contre la pénurie de professionnels par la revalorisation des salaires, la réforme de la tarification des actes et des mesures pour améliorer l'attractivité de la pédopsychiatrie.

      Enfin, le rapport souligne l'impact majeur de facteurs environnementaux comme la pression scolaire (Parcoursup), l'addiction aux écrans et les inégalités sociales, appelant à des réponses politiques plus larges.

      1. Le Constat Alarmant d'une Crise de Santé Publique

      Le rapport parlementaire, fruit de six mois de travail incluant 37 auditions et quatre déplacements, dresse un tableau sans équivoque de la détérioration de la santé mentale des mineurs en France.

      A. Chiffres Clés de la Dégradation

      Prévalence des troubles : Selon le rapport de la Cour des comptes de 2023, 1,6 million d'enfants et d'adolescents souffrent d'un trouble psychique.

      Augmentation significative : Entre 2017 et 2023, une forte augmentation des troubles a été observée, notamment :

      +70 % chez les 10-14 ans.    ◦ +46 % chez les 15-20 ans.

      Actes auto-infligés : La DREES note une augmentation des hospitalisations pour tentatives de suicide et gestes auto-infligés chez les 10-14 ans.

      Précocité des troubles : La moitié des troubles psychiatriques se déclarent avant l'âge de 15 ans, soulignant l'urgence d'une intervention précoce.

      B. La Vulnérabilité Extrême des Enfants Protégés

      Un des constats les plus marquants du rapport est la surreprésentation des enfants relevant de l'Aide Sociale à l'Enfance (ASE) dans les services de pédopsychiatrie.

      Occupation des lits : Jusqu'à 40-50 % des lits d'hospitalisation à temps plein sont occupés par des enfants placés, alors qu'ils ne représentent que 2 % des mineurs en France.

      Facteurs de risque : La maltraitance subie par ces enfants multiplie par deux les risques de suicide et par quatre les risques de psychotrauma.

      Cercle vicieux : Le suivi médical défaillant de ces mineurs entraîne une prise en charge trop tardive, souvent via une hospitalisation prolongée qui se substitue à un lieu de vie, aggravant leur état.

      En parallèle, les foyers sont démunis face à des jeunes avec des troubles lourds non pris en charge.

      2. Un Système de Soins Débordé et Illisible

      Face à la hausse de la demande, l'offre de soins est criante de manque de moyens et d'organisation, laissant de nombreuses familles sans solution.

      A. La Saturation des Structures

      Accès aux soins limité : Sur les 1,6 million de jeunes présentant des troubles, seuls 750 000 à 850 000 sont suivis, soit environ un sur deux.

      Délais d'attente insoutenables : L'attente pour un premier rendez-vous en Centre Médico-Psychologique (CMP) peut atteindre 12 à 18 mois, parfois plus.

      Cette attente laisse le temps à la situation de s'aggraver, conduisant à une prise en charge aux urgences, elles-mêmes engorgées.

      B. Recommandation : Instaurer une Gradation des Soins

      Pour rendre l'offre plus lisible et efficiente, le rapport préconise une meilleure organisation du parcours de soins.

      Premier niveau : Les médecins généralistes et pédiatres devraient assurer la première consultation, la détection et l'orientation.

      Cela nécessite un renforcement de leur formation en psychiatrie infanto-juvénile.

      Ce niveau pourrait aussi inclure des psychologues et les Maisons des Adolescents.

      Deuxième niveau (pivot) : Les Centres Médico-Psychologiques (CMP) se concentreraient sur les cas nécessitant une expertise pluridisciplinaire, tout en conservant un accueil inconditionnel sans adressage obligatoire pour ne pas éloigner les plus fragiles.

      Troisième niveau : Des centres de gestion de crise de courte durée, adossés aux urgences pédiatriques ou hôpitaux psychiatriques, pour les situations les plus aiguës.

      C. Recommandation : Renforcer le Secteur de la Pédopsychiatrie

      Le rapport insiste sur la nécessité de renforcer l'existant plutôt que de disperser les moyens dans des dispositifs innovants non pérennes.

      Stabilité financière : Pérenniser et flécher les budgets de la pédopsychiatrie au sein des hôpitaux et privilégier les dotations pluriannuelles aux appels à projets.

      Priorité au soin : Réorienter les moyens financiers et humains vers le soin direct plutôt que vers des plateformes de diagnostic qui, malgré leurs avancées, peuvent favoriser une approche médicamenteuse au détriment de la relation thérapeutique.

      Maillage territorial : Revoir le maillage des CMP pour que chaque enfant puisse y accéder en moins de 30 minutes de son domicile, en adaptant le découpage des secteurs aux évolutions démographiques (un secteur couvre aujourd'hui jusqu'à 500 000 habitants contre 200 000 prévus initialement).

      3. L'Urgence d'une Prévention Efficace

      Le rapport souligne que la prévention est le parent pauvre de la politique de santé mentale, alors qu'elle est déterminante.

      A. La Période des 1000 Premiers Jours

      La période allant de la conception aux deux ans de l'enfant est fondamentale.

      Soutien à la parentalité : Les "Maisons des bébés" sont des dispositifs essentiels pour prévenir les troubles précoces du lien parent-enfant.

      Psychiatrie périnatale : Les unités d'hospitalisation conjointe mère-bébé, comme celle de Toulouse, permettent de détecter les signes de souffrance dès les premiers jours et de réparer le lien d'attachement. Il est recommandé de développer ces unités et de former les professionnels à la théorie de l'attachement.

      B. Le Rôle Fondamental de la Santé Scolaire

      L'Éducation Nationale est un lieu stratégique pour la détection précoce, mais ses moyens sont gravement fragilisés.

      Professionnel

      Ratio Actuel

      Ratio Recommandé (UE)

      Recommandation du Rapport

      Psychologue scolaire

      1 pour 1 600 élèves

      1 pour 800 élèves

      1 pour 800 élèves

      Médecin scolaire

      1 pour 13 000 élèves

      -

      1 pour 5 000 élèves

      Infirmier scolaire

      1 pour 9 établissements

      -

      1 par établissement

      Conséquence directe : Le bilan de santé obligatoire à 6 ans est réalisé à 12 ans dans 80 % des cas, entraînant une accumulation de difficultés non détectées à l'entrée au collège.

      Le rapport préconise une trajectoire de recrutement ambitieuse pour atteindre les ratios cibles.

      4. La Crise des Ressources Humaines et la Question de l'Attractivité

      La pénurie de professionnels qualifiés est au cœur de la crise du système.

      Pénurie de pédopsychiatres : La densité nationale est de 6,7 pédopsychiatres pour 100 000 jeunes, et la profession est vieillissante (moyenne d'âge de 60 ans).

      La discipline est peu attractive pour les internes (127 inscrits pour 157 postes ouverts en 2023) car jugée trop proche des sciences humaines et aux conditions de travail difficiles.

      Manque de valorisation : Les professions (psychologues, paramédicaux) sont peu valorisées et faiblement rémunérées.

      Une consultation en pédopsychiatrie est un acte long et complexe (minimum 1h) mais rémunéré seulement 67 € en moyenne, poussant les professionnels vers le secteur non conventionné ou la patientèle adulte.

      Recommandations :

      • Revaloriser la rémunération des psychologues et personnels paramédicaux en CMP.  

      • Augmenter significativement le tarif des consultations en pédopsychiatrie.  

      • Réformer le codage des actes pour valoriser le temps de concertation avec les familles et partenaires. 

      • Instaurer un quotient départemental pour les stages en internat afin de mieux répartir les futurs médecins sur le territoire.

      5. Facteurs Environnementaux et Sociétaux Aggravants

      Le rapport identifie plusieurs facteurs externes qui pèsent lourdement sur la santé mentale des jeunes.

      Médicalisation excessive : La consommation de psychotropes (type Ritaline) est en forte augmentation (490 000 enfants de 3 à 17 ans concernés).

      Ces médicaments sont souvent prescrits par des médecins généralistes peu formés, posant la question du bon usage.

      Le rapport recommande de privilégier les soins thérapeutiques à la prescription.

      Impact des écrans : L'addiction aux écrans et l'exposition à des contenus violents, pornographiques ou au cyberharcèlement sont unanimement citées comme aggravant les troubles anxio-dépressifs.

      Le rapport soutient la majorité numérique, la mise en place de "pauses numériques" dans les établissements scolaires et appelle à des campagnes de prévention massives.

      Pression scolaire : Le système d'orientation, et notamment Parcoursup, est décrit comme créant un "climat extrêmement anxiogène".

      Les rapporteurs proposent, avec des nuances, de réformer en profondeur (Nathalie Colin-Osterlé) ou de supprimer (autre rapporteure) ce dispositif et toute forme de sélection à l'université.

      Déterminants sociaux : Les enfants de familles défavorisées ont un risque trois fois plus important de développer un trouble mental et ont plus de difficultés d'accès aux soins.

      Le rapport appelle à investir dans les services publics et les politiques de lutte contre les inégalités sociales pour agir sur les causes profondes.

    1. Analyse du projet académique ac Versailles 2025-2029

      source https://www.ac-versailles.fr/projet-academique-2025-2029-129400

      Comme les fois précédentes l'académie a produit un projet académique sans consultation spécifique de la FCPE.

      Ce document a pour but d'analyser les manques d'ambition pour leur engagement parental Mindmaps

      Project académique 2025-2029 Mind Map (6).png

      coéducation et parentalité Mind Map (6).png

      Le Projet Académique 2025-2029 de l'Académie de Versailles, tel qu'articulé autour de ses quatre axes principaux, mentionne l'ambition d'une réussite de tous les élèves grâce à la mobilisation de la communauté éducative et des partenaires.

      Cependant, en se basant sur le contenu fourni, plusieurs éléments cruciaux et concrets relatifs au rôle des parents, à la parentalité et à la coéducation semblent manquer ou ne sont pas suffisamment explicités pour constituer un volet fort et structurant de l'action académique.

      Voici ce qui paraît absent ou insuffisamment développé dans le projet, compte tenu des enjeux soulevés par l'ensemble des sources :

      I. Manque de reconnaissance explicite et de pilotage stratégique

      1. Absence des termes "Coéducation" et "Parentalité" dans les axes stratégiques :

      Bien que le projet réaffirme l'importance de renforcer les liens entre la communauté éducative et la société, les termes fondamentaux de « coéducation » et de « parentalité » n'apparaissent pas dans les titres ou les objectifs précis des quatre axes du projet 2025-2029.

      Cette absence est d'autant plus notable que le précédent projet académique (2021-2024) mentionnait pourtant déjà le « renforcement de la coéducation et du rôle des parents dans l’apprentissage des élèves ».

      2. Absence de mention spécifique des Représentants de Parents d'Élèves (RPE) :

      Le projet insiste sur la mobilisation des "partenaires" et des "associations", mais ne mentionne pas explicitement les associations et les RPE (comme la FCPE) comme des acteurs privilégiés ou siégeant aux instances de gouvernance et de pilotage stratégique.

      Les documents antérieurs critiquent déjà le manque d'audition des représentants des parents d'élèves pour l'élaboration du projet académique.

      3. Manque de rejet du « glissement sémantique » :

      Le projet utilise le terme générique de "partenaires". Ce vocabulaire est critiqué par les associations de parents, qui rappellent que les parents sont des co-éducateurs qui ne se choisissent pas et sont constitutifs de l'enfant, contrairement à un partenaire qui peut être choisi ou dont on peut se séparer.

      L'absence d'une clarification institutionnelle risque de perpétuer l'idée de parents « consommateurs » ou « partenaires » plutôt que de les reconnaître comme membres légitimes et incontournables de la communauté éducative.

      II. Manque de leviers concrets pour l'implication et l'accompagnement

      1. Non-prise en compte de l'épuisement parental et de la santé mentale des parents :

      L'Axe 1 vise à soutenir le bien-être et la santé mentale des élèves.

      Or, les sources soulignent que la capacité d'un enfant à apprendre sereinement est directement liée à la qualité de la relation parents-école et au bien-être des parents.

      Le projet n'aborde pas la question du burn-out parental ou du soutien à la santé mentale des parents, malgré l'importance de ce facteur sur l'environnement éducatif et la nécessité de ne pas les sur-responsabiliser.

      2. Absence de dispositifs spécifiques pour l'accueil des familles éloignées :

      Bien que l'Académie reconnaisse l'hétérogénéité territoriale (QPV, zones rurales, centres-villes privilégiés), le projet n'évoque pas le déploiement ou le renforcement des dispositifs d'accueil visant à combler le fossé avec les familles les moins familières des codes scolaires (les « parents invisibles »).

      Des outils tels que les « Espaces Parents » ou le dispositif OEPRE (Ouvrir l'École aux Parents pour la Réussite des Enfants) ne sont pas mentionnés dans les objectifs concrets.

      3. Absence de stratégie face à la fracture numérique et au droit à la déconnexion :

      Le projet mentionne la promotion d'un usage raisonné du numérique par les élèves et l'utilisation des outils numériques pour personnaliser les enseignements.

      Cependant, il n'aborde pas la nécessité de former ou d'accompagner les parents aux outils numériques de l'école (ENT/Pronote), qui, s'ils sont mal maîtrisés, peuvent devenir des facteurs d'exclusion.

      De plus, la question du « droit à la déconnexion » pour les enseignants et les familles, face aux notifications en soirée ou le week-end, n'est pas formalisée dans les axes.

      4. Manque d'articulation entre l'école et le soutien à la parentalité (REAAP/CAF) :

      Le projet vise à consolider les dynamiques des Cités éducatives et des Territoires Éducatifs Ruraux, mais omet de détailler explicitement comment il prévoit de coordonner l'action éducative avec les structures de soutien à la parentalité comme le REAAP (Réseaux d'Écoute, d'Appui et d'Accompagnement des Parents) ou la CAF, qui sont des partenaires essentiels pour la prévention et l'accompagnement des familles vulnérables.

      III. Manque de clarification sur les rôles et les enjeux spécifiques

      1. Formation initiale et continue des personnels :

      L'Axe 3 se concentre sur l'attractivité, la fidélisation et la formation des personnels.

      Or, un manque majeur identifié par les sources est l'absence de formation obligatoire et structurée des enseignants sur la gestion de la relation avec les familles, la communication, et la médiation des conflits.

      Le projet ne mentionne pas l'intégration de la « relation parents-enseignants » comme axe obligatoire de la formation.

      2. Implication des familles dans l'Orientation et la Gouvernance :

      L'Axe 4 mentionne l'enrichissement du Parcours Avenir. Cependant, les concertations nationales déplorent que les parents restent peu associés à la gouvernance et aux réflexions stratégiques de l'orientation.

      Le projet n'annonce aucune mesure spécifique pour renforcer l'implication des familles dans les instances décisionnelles d'orientation ou pour aider les familles à faire face aux enjeux de Parcoursup.

      3. Gestion des conflits et de la séparation :

      Les relations école-parents sont souvent tendues et asymétriques. Le projet ne propose pas de cadres ou d'outils pour aider les personnels à gérer les conflits avec les familles, en particulier les cas complexes de séparation parentale ou de coparentalité difficile, qui se répercutent directement sur le bien-être de l'élève.

      En conclusion,

      si le Projet Académique 2025-2029 pose les bases d'une ambition de réussite pour tous en mobilisant le collectif, il lui manque une traduction concrète et détaillée des mécanismes de la coéducation et du soutien à la parentalité qui permettraient de transformer l'intention en actions mesurables, en particulier pour les familles qui en ont le plus besoin.

    1. Reviewer #1 (Public Review):

      (1) Significance of the findings:

      Cell-to-cell communication is essential for higher functions in bacterial biofilms. Electrical signals have proven effective in transmitting signals across biofilms. These signals are then used to coordinate cellular metabolisms or to increase antibiotic tolerance. Here, the authors have reported for the first time coordinated oscillation of membrane potential in E. coli biofilms that may have a functional role in photoprotection.

      (2) Strengths of the manuscript:

      - The authors report original data.<br /> - For the first time, they showed that coordinated oscillations in membrane potential occur in E. Coli biofilms.<br /> - The authors revealed a complex two-phase dynamic involving distinct molecular response mechanisms.<br /> - The authors developed two rigorous models inspired by 1) Hodgkin-Huxley model for the temporal dynamics of membrane potential and 2) Fire-Diffuse-Fire model for the propagation of the electric signal.<br /> - Since its discovery by comparative genomics, the Kch ion channel has not been associated with any specific phenotype in E. coli. Here, the authors proposed a functional role for the putative gated-voltage-gated K+ ion channel (Kch channel) : enhancing survival under photo-toxic conditions.

      (3) Weakness:

      - Contrarily to what is stated in the abstract, the group of B. Maier has already reported collective electrical oscillations in the Gram-negative bacterium Neisseria gonorrhoeae (Hennes et al., PLoS Biol, 2023).<br /> - The data presented in the manuscript are not sufficient to conclude on the photo-protective role of the Kch channel. The authors should perform the appropriate control experiments related to Fig4D,E, i.e. reproduce these experiments without ThT to rule out possible photo-conversion effects on ThT that would modify its toxicity. In addition, it looks like the data reported on Fig 4E are extracted from Fig 4D. If this is indeed the case, it would be more conclusive to report the percentage of PI-positive cells in the population for each condition. This percentage should be calculated independently for each replicate. The authors should then report the average value and standard deviation of the percentage of dead cells for each condition.<br /> - Although Fig 4A clearly shows that light stimulation has an influence on the dynamics of ThT signal in the biofilm, it is important to rule out possible contributions of other environmental variations that occur when the flow is stopped at the onset of light stimulation. I understand that for technical reasons, the flow of fresh medium must be stopped for the sake of imaging. Therefore, I suggest to perform control experiments consisting in stopping the flow at different time intervals before image acquisition (30min or 1h before). If there is no significant contribution from environmental variations due to medium perfusion arrest, the dynamics of ThT signal must be unchanged regardless of the delay between flow stop and the start of light stimulation.<br /> - To precise the role of K+ in the habituation response, I suggest using the ionophore valinomycin at sub-inhibitory concentrations (5 or 10µM). It should abolish the habituation response. In addition, the Kch complementation experiment exhibits a sharp drop after the first peak but on a single point. It would be more convincing to increase the temporal resolution (1min->10s) to show that there are indeed a first and a second peak. Finally, the high concentration (100µM) of CCCP used in this study completely inhibits cell activity. Therefore, it is not surprising that no ThT dynamics was observed upon light stimulation at such concentration of CCCP.<br /> - Since TMRM signal exhibits a linear increase after the first response peak (Supp Fig1D), I recommend to mitigate the statement at line 78.<br /> - Electrical signal propagation is an important aspect of the manuscript. However, a detailed quantitative analysis of the spatial dynamics within the biofilm is lacking. At minima, I recommend to plot the spatio-temporal diagram of ThT intensity profile averaged along the azimuthal direction in the biofilm. In addition, it is unclear if the electrical signal propagates within the biofilm during the second peak regime, which is mediated by the Kch channel: I have plotted the spatio-temporal diagram for Video S3 and no electrical propagation is evident at the second peak. In addition, the authors should provide technical details of how R^2(t) is measured in the first regime (Fig 7E).<br /> - In the series of images presented in supplementary Figure 4A, no wavefront is apparent. Although the microscopy technics used in this figure differs from other images (like in Fig2), the wavefront should be still present. In addition, there is no second peak in confocal images as well (Supp Fig4B) .<br /> - Many important technical details are missing (e.g. biofilm size, R^2, curvature and 445nm irradiance measurements). The description of how these quantitates are measured should be detailed in the Material & Methods section.<br /> - Fig 5C: The curve in Fig 5D seems to correspond to the biofilm case. Since the model is made for single cells, the curve obtained by the model should be compared with the average curve presented in Fig 1B (i.e. single cell experiments).<br /> - For clarity, I suggest to indicate on the panels if the experiments concern single cell or biofilm experiments. Finally, please provide bright-field images associated to ThT images to locate bacteria.<br /> - In Fig 7B, the plateau is higher in the simulations than in the biofilm experiments. The authors should add a comment in the paper to explain this discrepancy.

    2. Reviewer #2 (Public Review):

      The authors use ThT dye as a Nernstian potential dye in E. coli. Quantitative measurements of membrane potential using any cationic indicator dye are based on the equilibration of the dye across the membrane according to Boltzmann's law.

      Ideally, the dye should have high membrane permeability to ensure rapid equilibration. Others have demonstrated that E.coli cells in the presence of ThT do not load unless there is blue light present, that the loading profile does not look like it is expected for a cationic Nernstian dye. They also show that the loading profile of the dye is different for E.coli cells deleted for the TolC pump. I, therefore, objected to interpreting the signal from the ThT as a Vm signal when used in E.coli. Nothing the authors have said has suggested that I should be changing this assessment.

      Specifically, the authors responded to my concerns as follows:

      (1) 'We are aware of this study, but believe it to be scientifically flawed. We do not cite the article because we do not think it is a particularly useful contribution to the literature.' This seems to go against ethical practices when it comes to scientific literature citations. If the authors identified work that handles the same topic they do, which they believe is scientifically flawed, the discussion to reflect that should be included.

      (2)'The Pilizota group invokes some elaborate artefacts to explain the lack of agreement with a simple Nernstian battery model. The model is incorrect not the fluorophore.'<br /> It seems the authors object to the basic principle behind the usage of Nernstian dyes. If the authors wish to use ThT according to some other model, and not as a Nernstian indicator, they need to explain and develop that model. Instead, they state 'ThT is a Nernstian voltage indicator' in their manuscript and expect the dye to behave like a passive voltage indicator throughout it.

      (3)'We think the proton effect is a million times weaker than that due to potassium i.e. 0.2 M K+<br /> versus 10-7 M H+. We can comfortably neglect the influx of H+ in our experiments.'<br /> I agree with this statement by the authors. At near-neutral extracellular pH, E.coli keeps near-neutral intracellular pH, and the contribution from the chemical concentration gradient to the electrochemical potential of protons is negligible. The main contribution is from the membrane potential. However, this has nothing to do with the criticism to which this is the response of the authors. The criticism is that ThT has been observed not to permeate the cell without blue light. The blue light has been observed to influence the electrochemical potential of protons (and given that at near-neutral intracellular and extracellular pH this is mostly the membrane potential, as authors note themselves, we are talking about Vm effectively). Thus, two things are happening when one is loading the ThT, not just expected equilibration but also lowering of membrane potential. The electrochemical potential of protons is coupled via the membrane potential to all the other electrochemical potentials of ions, including the mentioned K+.

      (4) 'The vast majority of cells continue to be viable. We do not think membrane damage is dominating.' In response to the question on how the authors demonstrated TMRM loading and in which conditions (and while reminding them that TMRM loading profile in E.coli has been demonstrated in Potassium Phosphate buffer). The request was to demonstrate TMRM loading profile in their condition as well as to show that it does not depend on light. Cells could still be viable, as membrane permeabilisation with light is gradual, but the loading of ThT dye is no longer based on simple electrochemical potential (of the dye) equilibration.

      (5) On the comment on the action of CCCP with references included, authors include a comment that consists of phrases like 'our understanding of the literature' with no citations of such literature. Difficult to comment further without references.

      (6) 'Shielding would provide the reverse effect, since hyperpolarization begins in the dense centres of the biofilms. For the initial 2 hours the cells receive negligible blue light. Neither of the referee's comments thus seem tenable.'<br /> The authors have misunderstood my comment. I am not advocating shielding (I agree that this is not it) but stating that this is not the only other explanation for what they see (apart from electrical signaling). The other I proposed is that the membrane has changed in composition and/or the effective light power the cells can tolerate. The authors comment only on the light power (not convincingly though, giving the number for that power would be more appropriate), not on the possible changes in the membrane permeability.

      (7) 'The work that TolC provides a possible passive pathway for ThT to leave cells seems slightly niche. It just demonstrates another mechanism for the cells to equilibrate the concentrations of ThT in a Nernstian manner i.e. driven by the membrane voltage.' I am not sure what the authors mean by another mechanism. The mechanism of action of a Nernstian dye is passive equilibration according to the electrochemical potential (i.e. until the electrochemical potential of the dye is 0).

      (8) 'In the 70 years since Hodgkin and Huxley first presented their model, a huge number of similar models have been proposed to describe cellular electrophysiology. We are not being hyperbolic when we state that the HH models for excitable cells are like the Schrödinger<br /> equation for molecules. We carefully adapted our HH model to reflect the currently understood electrophysiology of E. coli.'

      I gave a very concrete comment on the fact that in the HH model conductivity and leakage are as they are because this was explicitly measured. The authors state that they have carefully adopted their model based on what is currently understood for E.coli electrophysiology. It is not clear how. HH uses gKn^4 based on Figure2 here https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1392413/pdf/jphysiol01442-0106.pdf, i.e. measured rise and fall of potassium conductance on msec time scales. I looked at the citation the authors have given and found a resistance of an entire biofilm of a given strain at 3 applied voltages. So why n^4 based on that? Why does unknown current have gqz^4 form? Sodium conductance in HH is described by m^3hgNa (again based on detailed conductance measurements), so why unknown current in E.coli by gQz^4? Why leakage is in the form that it is, based on what measurement?

      Throughout their responses, the authors seem to think that collapsing the electrochemical gradient of protons is all about protons, and this is not the case. At near neutral inside and outside pH, the electrochemical potential of protons is simply membrane voltage. And membrane voltage acts on all ions in the cell.

      Authors have started their response to concrete comments on the usage of ThT dye with comments on papers from my group that are not all directly relevant to this publication. I understand that their intention is to discredit a reviewer but given that my role here is to review this manuscript, I will only address their comments to the publications/part of publications that are relevant to this manuscript and mention what is not relevant.

      Publications in the order these were commented on.

      (1) In a comment on the paper that describes the usage of ThT dye as a Nernstian dye authors seem to talk about a model of an entire active cell.<br /> 'Huge oscillations occur in the membrane potentials of E. coli that cannot be described by the SNB model.' The two have nothing to do with each other. Nernstian dye equilibrates according to its electrochemical potential. Once that happens it can measure the potential (under the assumption that not too much dye has entered and thus lowered too much the membrane potential under measurement). The time scale of that is important, and the dye can only measure processes that are slower than that equilibration. If one wants to use a dye that acts under a different model, first that needs to be developed, and then coupled to any other active cell model.

      (2) The part of this paper that is relevant is simply the usage of TMRM dye. It is used as Nernstian dye, so all the above said applies. The rest is a study of flagellar motor.

      (3) The authors seem to not understand that the electrochemical potential of protons is coupled to the electrochemical potentials of all other ions, via the membrane potential. In the manuscript authors talk about, PMF~Vm, as DeltapH~0. Other than that this publication is not relevant to their current manuscript.

      (4) The manuscript in fact states precisely that PMF cannot be generated by protons only and some other ions need to be moved out for the purpose. In near neutral environment it stated that these need to be cations (K+ e.g.). The model used in this manuscript is a pump-leak model. Neither is relevant for the usage of ThT dye.

      Further comments include, along the lines of:

      'The editors stress the main issue raised was a single referee questioning the use of ThT as an indicator of membrane potential. We are well aware of the articles by the Pilizota group and we believe them to be scientifically flawed. The authors assume there are no voltage-gated ion channels in E. coli and then attempt to explain motility data based on a simple Nernstian battery model (they assume E. coli are unexcitable<br /> matter). This in turn leads them to conclude the membrane dye ThT is faulty, when in fact it is a problem with their simple battery model.'

      The only assumption made when using a cationic Nernstian dye is that it equilibrates passively across the membrane according to its electrochemical potential. As it does that, it does lower the membrane potential, which is why as little as possible is added so that this is negligible. The equilibration should be as fast as possible, but at the very least it should be known, as no change in membrane potential can be measured that is faster than that.

      This behaviour should be orthogonal to what the cell is doing, it is a probe after all. If the cell is excitable, a Nernstian dye can be used, as long as it's still passively equilibrating and doing so faster than any changes in membrane potential due to excitations of the cells. There are absolutely no assumptions made on the active system that is about to be measured by this expected behaviour of a Nernstian dye. And there shouldn't be, it is a probe. If one wants to use a dye that is not purely Nernstian that behaviour needs to be described and a model proposed. As far as I can find, authors do no such thing.

      There is a comment on the use of a flagellar motor as a readout of PMF, stating that the motor can be stopped by YcgR citing the work from 2023. Indeed, there is a range of references such as https://doi.org/10.1016/j.molcel.2010.03.001 that demonstrate this (from around 2000-2010 as far as I am aware). The timescale of such slowdown is hours (see here Figure 5 https://www.cell.com/cell/pdf/S0092-8674(10)00019-X.pdf). Needless to say, the flagellar motor when used as a probe, needs to stay that in the conditions used. Thus one should always be on the lookout at any other such proteins that could slow it down and we are not aware of yet or make the speed no longer proportional to the PMF. In the papers my group uses the motor the changes are fast, often reversible, and in the observation window of 30min. They are also the same with DeltaYcgR strain, which we have not included as it seemed given the time scales it's obvious, but certainly can in the future (as well as stay vigilant on any conditions that would render the motor a no longer suitable probe for PMF).

    3. Reviewer #3 (Public Review):

      This manuscript by Akabuogu et al. investigates membrane potential dynamics in E. coli. Membrane potential fluctuations have been observed in bacteria by several research groups in recent years, including in the context of bacterial biofilms where they have been proposed to play a role in cellular communication. Here, these authors investigate membrane potential in E. coli, in both single cells and biofilms. I have reviewed the revised manuscript provided by the authors, as well as their responses to the initial reviews; my opinion about the manuscript is largely unchanged. I have focused my public review on those issues that I believe to be most pressing, with additional comments included in the review to authors. Although these authors are working in an exciting research area, the evidence they provide for their claims is inadequate, and several key control experiments are still missing. In some cases, the authors allude to potentially relevant data in their responses to the initial reviews, but unfortunately these data are not shown. Furthermore, I cannot identify any traveling wavefronts in the data included in this manuscript. In addition to the challenges associated with the use of Thioflavin-T (ThT) raised by the second reviewer, these caveats make the work presented in this manuscript difficult to interpret.

      First, some of the key experiments presented in the paper lack required controls:

      (1) This paper asserts that the observed ThT fluorescence dynamics are induced by blue light. This is a fundamental claim in the paper, since the authors go on to argue that these dynamics are part of a blue light response. This claim must be supported by the appropriate negative control experiment measuring ThT fluorescence dynamics in the absence of blue light- if this idea is correct, these dynamics should not be observed in the absence of blue light exposure. If this experiment cannot be performed with ThT since blue light is used for its excitation, TMRM can be used instead.

      In response to this, the authors wrote that "the fluorescent baseline is too weak to measure cleanly in this experiment." If they observe no ThT signal above noise in their time lapse data in the absence of blue light, this should be reported in the manuscript- this would be a satisfactory negative control. They then wrote that "It appears the collective response of all the bacteria hyperpolarization at the same time appears to dominate the signal." I am not sure what they mean by this- perhaps that ThT fluorescence changes strongly only in response to blue light? This is a fundamental control for this experiment that ought to be presented to the reader.

      (2) The authors claim that a ∆kch mutant is more susceptible to blue light stress, as evidenced by PI staining. The premise that the cells are mounting a protective response to blue light via these channels rests on this claim. However, they do not perform the negative control experiment, conducting PI staining for WT the ∆kch mutant in the absence of blue light. In the absence of this control it is not possible to rule out effects of the ∆kch mutation on overall viability and/or PI uptake. The authors do include a growth curve for comparison, but planktonic growth is a very different context than surface-attached biofilm growth. Additionally, the ∆kch mutation may have impacts on PI permeability specifically that are not addressed by a growth curve. The negative control experiment is of key importance here.

      Second, the ideas presented in this manuscript rely entirely on analysis of ThT fluorescence data, specifically a time course of cellular fluorescence following blue light treatment. However, alternate explanations for and potential confounders of the observed dynamics are not sufficiently addressed:

      (1) Bacterial cells are autofluorescent, and this fluorescence can change significantly in response to stress (e.g. blue light exposure). To characterize and/or rule out autofluorescence contributions to the measurement, the authors should present time lapse fluorescence traces of unstained cells for comparison, acquired under the same imaging conditions in both wild type and ∆kch mutant cells. In their response to reviewers the authors suggested that they have conducted this experiment and found that the autofluorescence contribution is negligible, which is good, but these data should be included in the manuscript along with a description of how these controls were conducted.

      (2) Similarly, in my initial review I raised a concern about the possible contributions of photobleaching to the observed fluorescence dynamics. This is particularly relevant for the interpretation of the experiment in which catalase appears to attenuate the decay of the ThT signal; this attenuation could alternatively be due to catalase decreasing ThT photobleaching. In their response, the authors indicated that photobleaching is negligible, which would be good, but they do not share any evidence to support this claim. Photobleaching can be assessed in this experiment by varying the light dosage (illumination power, frequency, and/or duration) and confirming that the observed fluorescence dynamics are unaffected.

      Third, the paper claims in two instances that there are propagating waves of ThT fluorescence that move through biofilms, but I do not observe these waves in any case:

      (1) The first wavefront claim relates to small cell clusters, in Fig. 2A and Video S2 and S3 (with Fig. 2A and Video S2 showing the same biofilm.) I simply do not see any evidence of propagation in either case- rather, all cells get brighter and dimmer in tandem. I downloaded and analyzed Video S3 in several ways (plotting intensity profiles for different regions at different distances from the cluster center, drawing a kymograph across the cluster, etc.) and in no case did I see any evidence of a propagating wavefront. (I attempted this same analysis on the biofilm shown in Fig. 2A and Video S2 with similar results, but the images shown in the figure panels and especially the video are still both so saturated that the quantification is difficult to interpret.) If there is evidence for wavefronts, it should be demonstrated explicitly by analysis of several clusters. For example, a figure of time-to-peak vs. position in the cluster demonstrating a propagating wave would satisfy this. Currently, I do not see any wavefronts in this data.

      (2) The other wavefront claim relates to biofilms, and the relevant data is presented in Fig. S4 (and I believe also in what is now Video S8, but no supplemental video legends are provided, and this video is not cited in text.) As before, I cannot discern any wavefronts in the image and video provided; Reviewer 1 was also not able to detect wave propagation in this video by kymograph. Some mean squared displacements are shown in Fig. 7. As before, the methods for how these were obtained are not clearly documented either in this manuscript or in the BioRXiv preprint linked in the initial response to reviewers, and since wavefronts are not evident in the video it is hard to understand what is being measured here- radial distance from where? (The methods section mentions radial distance from the substrate, this should mean Z position above the imaging surface, and no wavefronts are evident in Z in the figure panels or movie.) Thus, clear demonstration of these wavefronts is still missing here as well.

      Fourth, I have some specific questions about the study of blue light stress and the use of PI as a cell viability indicator:

      (1) The logic of this paper includes the premise that blue light exposure is a stressor under the experimental conditions employed in the paper. Although it is of course generally true that blue light can be damaging to bacteria, this is dependent on light power and dosage. The control I recommended above, staining cells with PI in the presence and absence of blue light, will also allow the authors to confirm that this blue light treatment is indeed a stressor- the PI staining would be expected to increase in the presence of blue light if this is so.

      (2) The presence of ThT may complicate the study of the blue light stress response, since ThT enhances the photodynamic effects of blue light in E. coli (Bondia et al. 2021 Chemical Communications). The authors could investigate ThT toxicity under these conditions by staining cells with PI after exposing them to blue light with or without ThT staining.

      (3) In my initial review, I wrote the following: "In Figures 4D - E, the interpretation of this experiment can be confounded by the fact that PI uptake can sometimes be seen in bacterial cells with high membrane potential (Kirchhoff & Cypionka 2017 J Microbial Methods); the interpretation is that high membrane potential can lead to increased PI permeability. Because the membrane potential is largely higher throughout blue light treatment in the ∆kch mutant (Fig. 3[BC]), this complicates the interpretation of this experiment." In their response, the authors suggested that these results are not relevant in this case because "In our experiment methodology, cell death was not forced on the cells by introducing an extra burden or via anoxia." However, the logic of the paper is that the cells are in fact dying due to an imposed external stressor, which presumably also confers an increased burden as the cells try to deal with the stress. Instead, the authors should simply use a parallel method to confirm the results of PI staining. For example, the experiment could be repeated with other stains, or the viability of blue light-treated cells could be addressed more directly by outgrowth or colony-forming unit assays.

      The CFU assay suggested above has the additional advantage that it can also be performed on planktonic cells in liquid culture that are exposed to blue light. If, as the paper suggests, a protective response to blue light is being coordinated at the biofilm level by these membrane potential fluctuations, the WT strain might be expected to lose its survival advantage vs. the ∆kch mutant in the absence of a biofilm.

      Fifth, in several cases the data are presented in a way that are difficult to interpret, or the paper makes claims that are different to observe in the data:

      (1) The authors suggest that the ThT and TMRM traces presented in Fig. S1D have similar shapes, but this is not obvious to me- the TMRM curve has very little decrease after the initial peak and only a modest, gradual rise thereafter. The authors suggest that this is due to increased TMRM photobleaching, but I would expect that photobleaching should exacerbate the signal decrease after the initial peak. Since this figure is used to support the use of ThT as a membrane potential indicator, and since this is the only alternative measurement of membrane potential presented in text, the authors should discuss this discrepancy in more detail.

      (2) The comparison of single cells to microcolonies presented in figures 1B and D still needs revision:

      First, both reviewer 1 and I commented in our initial reviews that the ThT traces, here and elsewhere, should not be normalized- this will help with the interpretation of some of the claims throughout the manuscript.

      Second, the way these figures are shown with all traces overlaid at full opacity makes it very difficult to see what is being compared. Since the point of the comparison is the time to first peak (and the standard deviation thereof), histograms of the distributions of time to first peak in both cases should be plotted as a separate figure panel.<br /> Third, statistical significance tests ought to be used to evaluate the statistical strength of the comparisons between these curves. The authors compare both means and standard deviations of the time to first peak, and there are appropriate statistical tests for both types of comparisons.

      (3) The authors claim that the curve shown in Fig. S4B is similar to the simulation result shown in Fig. 7B. I remain unconvinced that this is so, particularly with respect to the kinetics of the second peak- at least it seems to me that the differences should be acknowledged and discussed. In any case, the best thing to do would be to move Fig. S4B to the main text alongside Fig. 7B so that the readers can make the comparison more easily.

      (4) As I wrote in my first review, in the discussion of voltage-gated calcium channels, the authors refer to "spiking events", but these are not obvious in Figure S3E. Although the fluorescence intensity changes over time, these fluctuations cannot be distinguished from measurement noise. A no-light control could help clarify this.

      (5) In the lower irradiance conditions in Fig. 4A, the ThT dynamics are slower overall, and it looks like the ThT intensity is beginning to rise at the end of the measurement. The authors write that no second peak is observed below an irradiance threshold of 15.99 µW/mm2. However, could a more prominent second peak be observed in these cases if the measurement time was extended? Additionally, the end of these curves looks similar to the curve in Fig. S4B, in which the authors write that the slow rise is evidence of the presence of a second peak, in contrast to their interpretation here.

      Additional considerations:

      (1) The analysis and interpretation of the first peak, and particularly of the time-to-fire data is challenging throughout the manuscript the time resolution of the data set is quite limited. It seems that a large proportion of cells have already fired after a single acquisition frame. It would be ideal to increase the time resolution on this measurement to improve precision. This could be done by imaging more quickly, but that would perhaps necessitate more blue light exposure; an alternative is to do this experiment under lower blue light irradiance where the first spike time is increased (Figure 4A).

      (2) The authors suggest in the manuscript that "E. coli biofilms use electrical signalling to coordinate long-range responses to light stress." In addition to the technical caveats discussed above, I am missing a discussion about what these responses might be. What constitutes a long-range response to light stress, and are there known examples of such responses in bacteria?

      (3) The presence of long-range blue light responses can also be interrogated experimentally, for example, by repeating the Live/Dead experiment in planktonic culture or the single-cell condition. If the protection from blue light specifically emerges due to coordinated activity of the biofilm, the ∆kch mutant would not be expected to show a change in Live/Dead staining in non-biofilm conditions. The CFU experiment I mentioned above could also implicate coordinated long-range responses specifically, if biofilms and liquid culture experiments can be compared (although I know that recovering cells from biofilms is challenging.)

      4. At the end of the results section, the authors suggest a critical biofilm size of only 4 μm for wavefront propagation (not much larger than a single cell!) The authors show responses for various biofilm sizes in Fig. 2C, but these are all substantially larger (and this figure also does not contain wavefront information.) Are there data for cell clusters above and below this size that could support this claim more directly?

      (5) In Fig. 4C, the overall trajectories of extracellular potassium are indeed similar, but the kinetics of the second peak of potassium are different than those observed by ThT (it rises minutes earlier)- is this consistent with the idea that Kch is responsible for that peak? Additionally, the potassium dynamics also include the first ThT peak- is this surprising given that the Kch channel has no effect on this peak according to the model?

      Detailed comments:

      Why are Fig. 2A and Video S2 called a microcluster, whereas Video S3, which is smaller, is called a biofilm?

      "We observed a spontaneous rapid rise in spikes within cells in the center of the biofilm" (Line 140): What does "spontaneous" mean here?

      "This demonstrates that the ion-channel mediated membrane potential dynamics is a light stress relief process.", "E. coli cells employ ion-channel mediated dynamics to manage ROS-induced stress linked to light irradiation." (Line 268 and the second sentence of the Fig. 4F legend): This claim is not well-supported. There are several possible interpretations of the catalase experiment (which should be discussed); this experiment perhaps suggests that ROS impacts membrane potential but does not indicate that these membrane potential fluctuations help the cells respond to blue light stress. The loss of viability in the ∆kch mutant might indicate a link between these membrane potential experiments and viability, but it is hard to interpret without the no light controls I mention above.

      "The model also predicts... the external light stress" (Lines 338-341): Please clarify this section. Where does this prediction arise from in the modeling work? Second, I am not sure what is meant by "modulates the light stress" or "keeps the cell dynamics robust to the intensity of external light stress" (especially since the dynamics clearly vary with irradiance, as seen in Figure 4A).

      "We hypothesized that E. coli not only modulates the light-induced stress but also handles the increase of the ROS by adjusting the profile of the membrane potential dynamics" (Line 347): I am not sure what "handles the ROS by adjusting the profile of the membrane potential dynamics" means. What is meant by "handling" ROS? Is the hypothesis that membrane potential dynamics themselves are protective against ROS, or that they induce a ROS-protective response downstream, or something else? Later the authors write that changes in the response to ROS in the model agree with the hypothesis, but just showing that ROS impacts the membrane potential does not seem to demonstrate that this has a protective effect against ROS.

      "Mechanosensitive ion channels (MS) are vital for the first hyperpolarization event in E. coli." (Line 391): This is misleading- mechanosensitive ion channels totally ablate membrane potential dynamics, they don't have a specific effect on the first hyperpolarization event. The claim that mechanonsensitive ion channels are specifically involved in the first event also appears in the abstract.

      Also, the apparent membrane potential is much lower even at the start of the experiment in these mutants (Fig. 6C-D)- is this expected? This seems to imply that these ion channels also have a blue light-independent effect.

      Throughout the paper, there are claims that the initial ThT spike is involved in "registering the presence of the light stress" and similar. What is the evidence for this claim?

      "We have presented much better quantitative agreement of our model with the propagating wavefronts in E. coli biofilms..." (Line 619): It is not evident to me that the agreement between model and prediction is "much better" in this work than in the cited work (reference 57, Hennes et al. 2023). The model in Figure 4 of ref. 57 seems to capture the key features of their data.

      In methods, "Only cells that are hyperpolarized were counted in the experiment as live" (Line 745): what percentage of cells did not hyperpolarize in these experiments?

      Some indication of standard deviation (error bars or shading) should be added to all figures where mean traces are plotted.

      Video S8 is very confusing- why does the video play first forwards and then backwards? It is easy to misinterpret this as a rise in the intensity at the end of the experiment.

    1. Reviewer #2 (Public review):

      Summary:

      This elegant study by Tolman and colleagues provides fundamental findings that substantially advance our knowledge of the major cell types within the limbus of the mouse eye, focusing on the aqueous humor outflow pathway. The authors used single-cell and single-nuclei RNAseq to very clearly identify 3 subtypes of the trabecular meshwork (TM) cells in the mouse eye, with each subtype having unique markers and proposed functions. The U. Columbia results are strengthened by an independent replication in a different mouse strain at a separate laboratory (Duke). Bioinformatics analyses of these expression data were used to identify cellular compartments, molecular functions, and biological processes. Although there were some common pathways among the 3 subtypes of TM cells (e.g., ECM metabolism), there also were distinct functions. For example:

      • TM1 cell expression supports heavy engagement in ECM metabolism and structure, as well as TGFβ2 signaling.

      • TM2 cells were enriched in laminin and pathways involved in phagocytosis, lysosomal function, and antigen expression, as well as End3/VEGF/angiopoietin signaling.

      • TM3 cells were enriched in actin binding and mitochondrial metabolism.

      They used high-resolution immunostaining and in situ hybridization to show that these 3 TM subtypes express distinct markers and occupy distinct locations within the TM tissue. The authors compared their expression data with other published scRNAseq studies of the mouse as well as the human aqueous outflow pathway. They used ATAC-seq to map open chromatin regions in order to predict transcription factor binding sites. Their results were also evaluated in the context of human IOP and glaucoma risk alleles from published GWAS data, with interesting and meaningful correlations. Although not discussed in their manuscript, their expression data support other signaling pathways/ proteins/ genes that have been implicated in glaucoma, including: TGFβ2, BMP signaling (including involvement of ID proteins), MYOC, actin cytoskeleton (CLANs), WNT signaling, etc.

      In addition to these very impressive data, the authors used scRNAseq to examine changes in TM cell gene expression in the mouse glaucoma model of mutant Lmxb1-induced ocular hypertension. In man, LMX1B is associated with Nail-Patella syndrome, which can include the development of glaucoma, demonstrating the clinical relevance of this mouse model. Among the gene expression changes detected, TM3 cells had altered expression of genes associated with mitochondrial metabolism. The authors used their previous experience using nicotinamide to metabolically protect DBA2/J mice from glaucomatous damage, and they hypothesized that nicotinamide supplementation of mutant Lmx1b mice would help restore normal mitochondrial metabolism in the TM and prevent Lmx1b-mediated ocular hypertension. Adding nicotinamide to the drinking water significantly prevented Lmxb1 mutant mice from developing high intraocular pressure. This is a laudable example of dissecting the molecular pathogenic mechanisms responsible for a disease (glaucoma) and then discovering and testing a potential therapy that directly intervenes in the disease process and thereby protects from the disease.

      Strengths:<br /> There are numerous strengths in this comprehensive study including:<br /> • Deep scRNA sequencing that was confirmed by an independent dataset in another mouse strain at another university.<br /> • Identification and validation of molecular markers for each mouse TM cell subset along with localization of these subsets within the mouse aqueous outflow pathway.<br /> • Rigorous bioinformatics analysis of these data as well as comparison of the current data with previously published mouse and human scRNAseq data.<br /> • Correlating their current data with GWAS glaucoma and IOP "hits".<br /> • Discovering gene expression changes in the 3 TM subgroups in the mouse mutant Lmx1b model of glaucoma.<br /> • Further pursuing the indication of dysfunctional mitochondrial metabolism in TM3 cells from Lmx1b mutant mice to test the efficacy of dietary supplementation with nicotinamide. The authors nicely demonstrate the disease modifying efficacy of nicotinamide in preventing IOP elevation in these Lmx1b mutant mice, preventing the development of glaucoma. These results have clinical implications for new glaucoma therapies.

      Weaknesses:<br /> • Occasional over-interpretation of data. The authors have used changes in gene expression (RNAseq) to implicate functions and signaling pathways. For example: they have not directly measured "changes in metabolism", "mitochondrial dysfunction" or "activity of Lmx1b".<br /> • In their very thorough data set, there is enrichment of or changes in gene expression that support other pathways that have been previously reported to be associated with glaucoma (such as TGFβ2, BMP signaling, actin cytoskeletal organization (CLANs), WNT signaling, ossification, etc. that appears to be a lost opportunity to further enhance the significance of this work.

    2. Reviewer #3 (Public review):

      Summary:In this study, the authors perform multimodal single-cell transcriptomic and epigenomic profiling of 9,394 mouse TM cells, identifying three transcriptionally distinct TM subtypes with validated molecular signatures. TM1 cells are enriched for extracellular matrix genes, TM2 for secreted ligands supporting Schlemm's canal, and TM3 for contractile and mitochondrial/metabolic functions. The transcription factor LMX1B, previously linked to glaucoma, shows the highest expression in TM3 cells and appears to regulate mitochondrial pathways. In Lmx1bV265D mutant mice, TM3 cells exhibit transcriptional signs of mitochondrial dysfunction associated with elevated IOP. Notably, vitamin B3 treatment significantly mitigates IOP elevation, suggesting a potential therapeutic avenue.

      This is an excellent and collaborative study involving investigators from two institutions, offering the most detailed single-cell transcriptomic and epigenetic profiling of the mouse limbal tissues-including both TM and Schlemm's canal (SC), from wild-type and Lmx1bV265D mutant mice. The study defines three TM subtypes and characterizes their distinct molecular signatures, associated pathways, and transcriptional regulators. The authors also compare their dataset with previously published murine and human studies, including those by Van Zyl et al., providing valuable cross-species insights.

      Strengths:

      (1) Comprehensive dataset with high single-cell resolution<br /> (2) Use of multiple bioinformatic and cross-comparative approaches<br /> (3) Integration of 3D imaging of TM and SC for anatomical context<br /> (4) Convincing identification and validation of three TM subtypes using molecular markers.

      Weaknesses:

      (1) Insufficient evidence linking mitochondrial dysfunction to TM3 cells in Lmx1bV265D mice: While the identification of TM3 cells as metabolically specialized and Lmx1b-enriched is compelling, the proposed link between Lmx1b mutation and mitochondrial dysfunction remains underdeveloped. It is unclear whether mitochondrial defects are a primary consequence of Lmx1b-mediated transcriptional dysregulation or a secondary response to elevated IOP. Additional evidence is needed to clarify whether Lmx1b directly regulates mitochondrial genes (e.g., via ChIP-seq, motif analysis, or ATAC-seq), or whether mitochondrial changes are downstream effects.<br /> Furthermore, the protective effects of nicotinamide (NAM) are interpreted as evidence of mitochondrial involvement, but no direct mitochondrial measurements (e.g., immunostaining, electron microscopy, OCR assays) are provided. It is essential to validate mitochondrial dysfunction in TM3 cells using in vivo functional assays to support the central conclusion of the paper. Without this, the claim that mitochondrial dysfunction drives IOP elevation in Lmx1bV265D mice remains speculative. Alternatively, authors should consider revising their claims that mitochondrial dysfunction in these mice is a central driver of TM dysfunction.

      (2) Mechanism of NAM-mediated protection is unclear: The manuscript states that NAM treatment prevents IOP elevation in Lmx1bV265D mice via metabolic support, yet no data are shown to confirm that NAM specifically rescues mitochondrial function. Do NAM-treated TM3 cells show improved mitochondrial integrity? Are reactive oxygen species (ROS) reduced? Does NAM also protect RGCs from glaucomatous damage? Addressing these points would clarify whether the therapeutic effects of NAM are indeed mitochondrial.

      (3) Lack of direct evidence that LMX1B regulates mitochondrial genes: While transcriptomic and motif accessibility analyses suggest that LMX1B is enriched in TM3 cells and may influence mitochondrial function, no mechanistic data are provided to demonstrate direct regulation of mitochondrial genes. Including ChIP-seq data, motif enrichment at mitochondrial gene loci, or perturbation studies (e.g., Lmx1b knockout or overexpression in TM3 cells) would greatly strengthen this central claim.

      (4)Focus on LMX1B in Fig. 5F lacks broader context: Figure 5F shows that several transcription factors (TFs)-including Tcf21, Foxs1, Arid3b, Myc, Gli2, Patz1, Plag1, Npas2, Nr1h4, and Nfatc2-exhibit stronger positive correlations or motif accessibility changes than LMX1B. Yet the manuscript focuses almost exclusively on LMX1B. The rationale for this focus should be clarified, especially given LMX1B's relatively lower ranking in the correlation analysis. Were the functions of these other highly ranked TFs examined or considered in the context of TM biology or glaucoma? Discussing their potential roles would enhance the interpretation of the transcriptional regulatory landscape and demonstrate the broader relevance of the findings.

      Other weaknesses:

      (1) In abstract, they say a number of 9,394 wild-type TM cell transcriptomes. The number of Lmx1bV265D/+ TM cell transcriptomes analyzed is not provided. This information is essential for evaluating the comparative analysis and should be clearly stated in the Abstract and again in the main text (e.g., lines 121-123). Including both wild-type and mutant cell counts will help readers assess the balance and robustness of the dataset.

      (2) Did the authors monitor mouse weight or other health parameters to assess potential systemic effects of treatment? It is known that the taste of compounds in drinking water can alter fluid or food intake, which may influence general health. Also, does Lmx1bV265D/+ have mice exhibit non-ocular phenotypes, and if so, does nicotinamide confer protection in those tissues as well? Additionally, starting the dose of the nicotinamide at postnatal day 2, how long the mice were treated with water containing nicotinamide, and after how many days or weeks IOP was reduced, and how long the decrease in the IOP was sustained.<br /> (3) While the IOP reduction observed in NAM-treated Lmx1bV265D/+ mice appears statistically significant, it is unclear whether this reflects meaningful biological protection. Several untreated mice exhibit very high IOP values, which may skew the analysis. The authors should report the mean values for IOP in both untreated and NAM-treated groups to clarify the magnitude and variability of the response.<br /> (4) Additionally, since NAM has been shown to protect RGCs in other glaucoma models directly, the authors should assess whether RGCs are preserved in NAM-treated Lmx1b V265D/+ mice. Demonstrating RGC protection would support a synergistic effect of NAM through both IOP reduction and direct neuroprotection, strengthening the translational relevance of the treatment.<br /> (5) Can the authors add any other functional validation studies to explore to understand the pathways enriched in all the subtypes of TM1, TM2, and TM3 cells, in addition to the ICH/IF/RNAscope validation?<br /> (6) The authors should include a representative image of the limbal dissection. While Figure S1 provides a schematic, mouse eyes are very small, and dissecting unfixed limbal tissue is technically challenging. It is also difficult to reconcile the claim that the majority of cells in the limbal region are TM and endothelium. As shown in Figure S6, DAPI staining suggests a much higher abundance of scleral cells compared to TM cells within the limbal strip. Additional clarification or visual evidence would help validate the dissection strategy and cellular composition of the captured region.

    1. Reviewer #1 (Public review):

      Tamao et al. aimed to quantify the diversity and mutation rate of the influenza (PR8 strain) in order to establish a high-resolution method for studying intra-host viral evolution. To achieve this, the authors combined RNA sequencing with single-molecule unique molecular identifiers (UMIs) to minimize errors introduced during technical processing. They proposed an in vitro infection model with a single viral particle to represent biological genetic diversity, alongside a control model using in vitro transcribed RNA for two viral genes, PB2 and HA.

      Through this approach, the authors demonstrated that UMIs reduced technical errors by approximately tenfold. By analyzing four viral populations and comparing them to in vitro transcribed RNA controls, they estimated that ~98.1% of observed mutations originated from viral replication rather than technical artifacts. Their results further showed that most mutations were synonymous and introduced randomly. However, the distribution of mutations suggested selective pressures that favored certain variants. Additionally, comparison with a closely related influenza strain (A/Alaska/1935) revealed two positively selected mutations, though these were absent in the strain responsible for the most recent pandemic (CA01).

      Overall, the study is well-designed, and the interpretations are strongly supported by the data. However, the following clarifications are recommended:

      (1) The methods section is overly brief. Even if techniques are cited, more experimental details should be included. For example, since the study focuses heavily on methodology, details such as the number of PCR cycles in RT-PCR or the rationale for choosing HA and PB2 as representative in vitro transcripts should be provided.

      (2) Information on library preparation and sequencing metrics should be included. For example, the total number of reads, any filtering steps, and quality score distributions/cutoff for the analyzed reads.

      (3) In the Results section (line 115, "Quantification of error rate caused by RT"), the mutation rate attributed to viral replication is calculated. However, in line 138, it is unclear whether the reported value reflects PB2, HA, or both, and whether the comparison is based on the error rate of the same viral RNA or the mean of multiple values (as shown in Figure 3A). Please clarify whether this number applies universally to all influenza RNAs or provide the observed range.

      (4) Since the T7 polymerase introduced errors are only applied to the in vitro transcription control, how were these accounted for when comparing mutation rates between transcribed RNA and cell-culture-derived virus?

      (5) Figure 2 shows that a UMI group size of 4 has an error rate of zero, but this group size is not mentioned in the text. Please clarify.

    1. illy Bishop, William Barker, and Raymond Collishaw, were elevated to the status of “knights of the sky

      the glorification of these 3 men in a air battle that claimed the lives of 1563 men.

    1. Family violence harms everyone, but not equally; women are three times more likely than men to be victims. In the case of deadly violence, government statistics show us that 33 percent of female victims of homicide—but just 3 percent of male victims—are killed by spouses, partners, or ex-partners. Nationwide, the most recent annual death toll from family violence was 1,351 women. Overall, women are more likely to be injured by a family member than to be mugged or raped by a stranger or hurt in an automobile accident

      It’s honestly really sad to see that women are often victims of homicide or violence, especially when it’s by their own family members. The fact alone is heartbreaking and shows how serious and personal this problem is. It makes me wonder if the government or police are doing anything to address and prevent this kind of violence.

    1. runaway growth — 80,000 lots had already been approved

      runaway growth = 3%

      80,000 home lots approved (much different than to be built this year, or this decade, or even ever built), which sounds like a lot until you consider that there's more than 2 million already here. So, up to 3%.

    1. The Wusun reciprocated, sending twenty envoys back to China with Zhang, bearing horses and furs. These elite "heavenly horses" from the Ferghana Valley (Uzbekistan) were probably ancestors of the Akhal-Teke breed, valued for their intelligence, speed, and endurance. The descendants of these horses revolutionized Han's archer cavalry.

      This is very interesting also. The horse in the picture is stunning and looks like it is built for speed.

    2. . (Note: there is a persistent rumor that Sumerian is a mysterious language that has never been deciphered. This is not true, although it is an isolated language and not part of the Semitic language group, like Akkadian.)

      This is interesting because the writing does not look like any kind that I have seen before, yet somehow, they may have depicted what it says.

    3. One of the interesting mysteries of the Minoans is that none of their surviving art seems to depict a ruler.

      This is interesting because usually back in history and even now, many places have a 'ruler.'

    4. The most famous and recognizable remnants of ancient Egypt, of course, are the pyramids

      I always find pyramids fascinating because I cannot imagine how long it took to build these with just the soil, water, and hardworking people.

    5. So if we imagine a culture of people who hunted, fished, gathered, and began cultivating valuable food plants near their camps, we would be thinking of people who supported themselves in a similar way to the woodland Native American tribes of the Northeast.

      I think this is very interesting and a fun way to live (except for the bears and such). I like camping and many outdoor activities so I like to learn more about how these people lived.

    1. Pre-sapiens humans such as Homo erectus left Africa about 1.8 million years ago and spread as far as China and Java.

      I find this interesting that they found the history to go all the way back about 1.8 million years ago.

    1. pressure to get good grades (37 percent over all). Being pressed for time (27 percent) and not really caring about academic integrity policies (26 percent) are other reasons students chose. There are some differences acro

      reasons/pressure for Cheating: 1. grades, 2. time, 3. don't care about policies

    1. Terceiros
      • ADI 6284
      • Órgão julgador: Tribunal Pleno
      • Relator(a): Min. ROBERTO BARROSO
      • Julgamento: 15/09/2021
      • Publicação: 24/09/2021

      Direito constitucional e tributário. Ação direta de inconstitucionalidade. Responsabilidade tributária solidária do contabilista. Ausência de ofensa reflexa à Constituição. Competência concorrente. Legislação estadual que conflita com as regras gerais do CTN. Inconstitucionalidade.

        1. Ação direta de inconstitucionalidade ajuizada pelo Partido Progressista, com pedido de medida cautelar, em que pleiteia a declaração de inconstitucionalidade dos arts. 45, XII-A, XIII e § 2º, da Lei nº 11.651/1991, do Estado de Goiás, e 36, XII-A e XIII, do Decreto nº 4.852/1997, do mesmo Estado. Em consonância com tais regras, atribui-se ao contabilista a responsabilidade solidária com o contribuinte ou com o substituto tributário, quanto ao pagamento de impostos e de penalidades pecuniárias, no caso de suas ações ou omissões concorrerem para a prática de infração à legislação tributária.
        1. A presente controvérsia consiste em definir se os atos normativos estaduais foram editados em contrariedade com as regras constitucionais de competência tributária, notadamente o art. 146, III, b, da CF/1988. Eventual inobservância de tais regras de competência implica ofensa direta à Constituição. Precedentes.
        1. Legislação estadual que <u>amplia</u> as hipóteses de responsabilidade de terceiros por infrações, invade a competência do legislador complementar federal para estabelecer as normas gerais sobre a matéria (art. 146, III, b, da CF/1988). Isso porque as linhas básicas da responsabilidade tributária devem estar contidas em lei complementar editada pela União, não sendo possível que uma lei estadual estabeleça regras conflitantes com as normas gerais (ADI 4.845, sob a minha relatoria).
        1. Inconstitucionalidade formal. Legislação do Estado de Goiás aborda matéria reservada à lei complementar e dispõe diversamente sobre (i) quem pode ser responsável tributário, ao incluir hipóteses não contempladas pelos arts. 134 e 135 do CTN, (ii) em quais circunstâncias pode ser responsável tributário (“infração à legislação tributária”), sendo que, conforme as regras gerais, para haver a responsabilidade tributária pessoal do terceiro, ele deve ter praticado atos com excesso de poderes ou infração de lei, contrato social ou estatutos, não havendo a responsabilização pelo mero inadimplemento de obrigação tributária.
        1. Ante todo o exposto, voto pelo conhecimento da presente ação direta de inconstitucionalidade e julgo procedente o pedido, para declarar a inconstitucionalidade dos arts. 45, XII-A, XIII e § 2º, da Lei nº 11.651/1991, do Estado de Goiás, e 36, XII-A e XIII, do Decreto nº 4.852/1997, do mesmo Estado.
        1. Fixação da seguinte tese: “É inconstitucional lei estadual que verse sobre a responsabilidade de terceiros por infrações de forma diversa das regras gerais estabelecidas pelo Código Tributário Nacional.”.

      Tese - É inconstitucional lei estadual que disciplina a responsabilidade de terceiros por infrações de forma diversa das regras gerais estabelecidas pelo Código Tributário Nacional.


      Obs.: Ou seja, é o CTN quem tem atribuição constitucional de definir a responsabilidade tributária de terceiros e sucessores, incorrendo em inconstitucionalidade formal a legislação estadual que ampliar ou modificar o rol previsto nos arts 133 e 134 do CTN.

    1. Reviewer #1 (Public review):

      Summary:

      The study aimed to: (1) assess the magnitude of placebo and nocebo effects immediately after induction through verbal instructions and conditioning, (2) examine the persistence of these effects one week later, and (3) identify predictors of sustained placebo and nocebo responses over time.

      Strengths:

      An innovation was to use sham TENS stimulation as the expectation manipulation. This expectation manipulation was reinforced not only by the change in pain stimulus intensity, but also by delivery of non-painful electrical stimulation, labelled as TENS stimulation.

      Questionnaire-based treatment expectation ratings were collected before conditioning and after conditioning, and after the test session, which provided an explicit measure of participant's expectations about the manipulation.

      The finding that placebo and nocebo effects are influenced by recent experience provides a novel insight into a potential moderator of individual placebo effects.

      Weaknesses:

      There are a limited number of trials per test condition (10) which means that the trajectory of responses to the manipulation may not be explored, which would be an interesting future study.

      The differences between the nocebo and control condition in pain ratings during conditioning could be explained by differing physiological effects of the different stimulus intensities, so it is difficult to make any claims about the expectation effects here. A a randomisation error meant that 25 participants received an unbalanced number 448 of trials per condition (i.e., 10 x VAS 40, 14 x VAS 60, 12 x VAS 80), although the authors accounted for this during analysis so it is not of major concern.

      This manuscript presents a study on expectation manipulation to induce placebo and nocebo effects in healthy participants. The study follows standard placebo experiment conventions with use of TENS stimulation as the placebo manipulation. The authors were able to achieve their aims. A key finding is that placebo and nocebo effects were predicted by recent experience, which is a novel contribution to the literature. The findings provide insights into the differences between placebo and nocebo effects and the potential moderators of these effects.

      Comments on revisions:

      I am satisfied with the author's revisions to the manuscript and have no further comments.

    2. Author response:

      The following is the authors’ response to the original reviews

      Public Reviews:

      Reviewer #1 (Public review):

      Summary:

      This manuscript presents a study on expectation manipulation to induce placebo and nocebo effects in healthy participants. The study follows standard placebo experiment conventions with the use of TENS stimulation as the placebo manipulation. The authors were able to achieve their aims. A key finding is that placebo and nocebo effects were predicted by recent experience, which is a novel contribution to the literature. The findings provide insights into the differences between placebo and nocebo effects and the potential moderators of these effects.

      Specifically, the study aimed to:

      (1) assess the magnitude of placebo and nocebo effects immediately after induction through verbal instructions and conditioning

      (2) examine the persistence of these effects one week later, and

      (3) identify predictors of sustained placebo and nocebo responses over time.

      Strengths:

      An innovation was to use sham TENS stimulation as the expectation manipulation. This expectation manipulation was reinforced not only by the change in pain stimulus intensity, but also by delivery of non-painful electrical stimulation, labelled as TENS stimulation.

      Questionnaire-based treatment expectation ratings were collected before conditioning and after conditioning, and after the test session, which provided an explicit measure of participants' expectations about the manipulation.

      The finding that placebo and nocebo effects are influenced by recent experience provides a novel insight into a potential moderator of individual placebo effects.

      We thank the reviewer for their thorough evaluation of our manuscript and for highlighting the novelty and originality of our study.

      Weaknesses:

      There are a limited number of trials per test condition (10), which means that the trajectory of responses to the manipulation may not be adequately explored.

      We appreciate the reviewer’s comment regarding the number of trials in the test phase. The trial number was chosen to ensure comparability with previous studies addressing similar research questions with similar designs (e.g. Colloca et al., 2010). Our primary objective was to directly compare placebo and nocebo effects within a within-subject design and to examine their persistence one week after the first test session. While we did not specifically aim to investigate the trajectory of responses within a single testing session, we fully agree that a comprehensive analysis of the trajectories of expectation effects on pain would be a valuable extension of our work. We have now acknowledged this limitation and future direction in the revised manuscript.

      The paragraph reads as follows: “It is important to note that our study was designed in alignment with previous studies addressing similar questions (e.g., Colloca et al., 2010). Our primary aim was to directly compare placebo and nocebo effects in a within-subject design and assess their persistence of these effects one week following the first test session. One limitation of our approach is the relatively short duration of each session, which may have limited our ability to examine the trajectory of responses within a single session. Future studies could address this limitation by increasing the number of trials for a more comprehensive analysis.”

      On day 8, one stimulus per stimulation intensity (i.e., VAS 40, 60, and 80) was applied before the start of the test session to re-familiarise participants with the thermal stimulation. There is a potential risk of revealing the manipulation to participants during the re-familiarization process, as they were not previously briefed to expect the painful stimulus intensity to vary without the application of sham TENS stimulation.

      We thank the reviewer for the opportunity to clarify this point. Participants were informed at the beginning of the experiment that we would use different stimulation intensities to re-familiarize them with the stimuli before the second test session. We are therefore confident that participants perceived this step as part of a recalibration rather than associating it with the experimental manipulation. We have added this information to the revised version of the manuscript.

      The paragraph now reads as follows: “On day 8, one stimulus per stimulation intensity (i.e., VAS 40, 60 and 80) was applied before the start of the test session to re-familiarise participants with the thermal stimulation. Note that participants were informed that these pre-test stimuli were part of the recalibration and refamiliarization procedure conducted prior to the second test session.”

      The differences between the nocebo and control conditions in pain ratings during conditioning could be explained by the differing physiological effects of the different stimulus intensities, so it is difficult to make any claims about expectation effects here.

      We appreciate the reviewer’s comment and agree that, despite the careful calibration of the three pain stimuli, we cannot entirely rule out the possibility that temporal dynamics during the conditioning session were influenced by differential physiological effects of the varying stimulus intensities (e.g., intensity-dependent habituation or sensitization). We have addressed this in the revision of the manuscript, but we would like to emphasize that the stronger nocebo effects during the test phase are statistically controlled for any differences in the conditioning session.

      The paragraph now reads: “This asymmetry is noteworthy in and of itself because it occurred despite the equidistant stimulus calibration relative to the control condition prior to conditioning. It may be the result of different physiological effects of the stimuli over time or amplified learning in the nocebo condition, consistent with its heightened biological relevance, but it could also be a stronger effect of the verbal instructions in this condition.”

      A randomisation error meant that 25 participants received an unbalanced number of 448 trials per condition (i.e., 10 x VAS 40, 14 x VAS 60, 12 x VAS 80).

      We agree that this is indeed unfortunate. However, we would like to point out that all analyses reported in the manuscript have been controlled for the VAS ratings in the conditioning session, i.e., potential effects of the conditioned placebo and nocebo stimuli. Moreover, we have now conducted additional analyses, presented here in our response to the reviewers, to demonstrate that this imbalance did not systematically bias the results. Importantly, the key findings observed during the test phase remain robust despite this issue.

      Specifically, when excluding these 25 participants from the analyses, the reported stronger nocebo compared to placebo effects in the test session on day 1 remain unchanged. Likewise, the comparison of placebo and nocebo effects between days 1 and 8 shows the same pattern when excluding the participants in question. The only exception is the interaction between effect (placebo vs nocebo) x session (day 1 vs day 8), which changed from a borderline significant result (p = .049) to insignificant (p = .24). However, post hoc tests continued to show the same pattern as originally reported: a significant reduction in the nocebo effect from day 1 to day 8 and no significant change in the placebo effect.

      Reviewer #2 (Public review):

      Summary:

      Kunkel et al aim to answer a fundamental question: Do placebo and nocebo effects differ in magnitude or longevity? To address this question, they used a powerful within-participants design, with a very large sample size (n=104), in which they compared placebo and nocebo effects - within the same individuals - across verbal expectations, conditioning, testing phase, and a 1-week follow-up. With elegant analyses, they establish that different mechanisms underlie the learning of placebo vs nocebo effects, with the latter being acquired faster and extinguished slower. This is an important finding for both the basic understanding of learning mechanisms in humans and for potential clinical applications to improve human health.

      Strengths:

      Beyond the above - the paper is well-written and very clear. It lays out nicely the need for the current investigation and what implications it holds. The design is elegant, and the analyses are rich, thoughtful, and interesting. The sample size is large which is highly appreciated, considering the longitudinal, in-lab study design. The question is super important and well-investigated, and the entire manuscript is very thoughtful with analyses closely examining the underlying mechanisms of placebo versus nocebo effects.

      We thank the reviewer for their positive evaluation of our manuscript and for acknowledging the methodological rigor and the significant implications for clinical applications and the broader research field.

      Weaknesses:

      There were two highly addressable weaknesses in my opinion:

      (1) I could not find the preregistration - this is crucial to verify what analyses the authors have committed to prior to writing the manuscript. Please provide a link leading directly to the preregistration - searching for the specified number in the suggested website yielded no results.

      We thank the reviewer for pointing this out. We included a link to the preregistration in the revised manuscript. This study was pre-registered with the German Clinical Trial Register (registration number: DRKS00029228; https://drks.de/search/de/trial/DRKS00029228).

      (2) There is a recurring issue which is easy to address: because the Methods are located after the Results, many of the constructs used, analyses conducted, and even the main placebo and nocebo inductions are unclear, making it hard to appreciate the results in full. I recommend finding a way to detail at the beginning of the results section how placebo and nocebo effects have been induced. While my background means I am familiar with these methods, other readers will lack that knowledge. Even a short paragraph or a figure (like Figure 4) could help clarify the results substantially. For example, a significant portion of the results is devoted to the conditioning part of the experiment, while it is unknown which part was involved (e.g., were temperatures lowered/increased in all trials or only in the beginning).

      We thank the reviewer for their helpful comment and agree that the Results section requires additional information that would typically be provided by the Methods section if it directly followed the Introduction. In response, we have moved the former Figure 4 from the Methods section to the beginning of the Results section as a new Figure 1, to improve clarity. Further, we have revised the Methods section to explicitly state that all trials during the conditioning phase were manipulated in the same way.

      Recommendations for the Authors:

      Reviewer #1 (Recommendations for the authors):

      (1) Given that the authors are claiming (correctly) that there is only limited work comparing placebo/nocebo effects, there are some papers missing from their citations:

      Nocebo responses are stronger than placebo responses after subliminal pain conditioning - - Jensen, K., Kirsch, I., Odmalm, S., Kaptchuk, T. J. & Ingvar, M. Classical conditioning of analgesic and hyperalgesic pain responses without conscious awareness. Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA 112, 7863-7 (2015)

      We thank the reviewer and have now included this relevant publication into the introduction of the revised manuscript.

      Hird, E.J., Charalambous, C., El-Deredy, W. et al. Boundary effects of expectation in human pain perception. Sci Rep 9, 9443 (2019). https://doi.org/10.1038/s41598-019-45811-x

      We thank the reviewer for suggesting this relevant publication. We have now included it into the discussion of the revised manuscript by adding the following paragraph:

      “Recent work using a predictive coding framework further suggests that nocebo effects may be less susceptible to prediction error than placebo effects (Hird et al., 2019), which could contribute to their greater persistence and strength in our study.”

      (2) The trial-by-trial pain ratings could have been usefully modelled with a computational model, such as a Bayesian model (this is especially pertinent given the reference to Bayesian processing in the discussion). A multilevel model could also be used to increase the power of the analysis. This is a tentative suggestion, as I appreciate it would require a significant investment of time and work - alternatively, the authors could acknowledge it in the Discussion as a useful future avenue for investigation, if this is preferred.

      We thank the reviewer for this thoughtful suggestion. While we agree that computational modelling approaches could provide valuable insights into individual learning, our study was not designed with this in mind and the relatively small number of trials per condition and the absence of trial-by-trial expectancy ratings limit the applicability of such models. We have therefore chosen not to pursue such analysis but highlight it in the discussion as a promising direction for future research.

      “Notably, the most recent experience was the most predictive in all three analyses; for instance, the placebo effect on day 8 was predicted by the placebo effect on day 1, not by the initial conditioning. This finding supports the Bayesian inference framework, where recent experiences are weighted more heavily in the process of model updating because they are more likely to reflect the current state of the environment, providing the most relevant and immediate information needed to guide future actions and predictions24. Interestingly, while a change in pain predicted subsequent nocebo effects, it seemed less influential than for placebo effects. This aligns with findings that longer conditioning enhanced placebo effects, while it did not affect nocebo responses10 and the conclusion that nocebo instruction may be sufficient to trigger nocebo responses. Using Bayesian modeling, future studies could identify individual differences in the development of placebo and nocebo effects by integrating prior experiences and sensory inputs, providing a probabilistic framework for understanding the underlying mechanisms.”

      (3) The paper is missing any justification of sample size, i.e. power analysis - please include this.

      We apologize for the missing information on our a priori power analysis. As there is a lack of prior studies investigating within-subjects comparisons of placebo and nocebo effects that could inform precise effect size estimates for our research question, we based our calculation on the ability detect small effects. Specifically, the study was powered to detect effect sizes in the range of d = 0.2 - 0.25 with α = .05 and power = .9, yielding a required sample size of N = 83-129. We have now added this information to the methods section of the revised manuscript.

      (4) "On day 8, one stimulus per stimulation intensity (i.e., VAS 40, 60 and 80) was applied before the start of the test session to re-familiarise participants with the thermal stimulation."

      What were the instructions about this? Was it before the electrode was applied? This runs the risk of unblinding participants, as they only expect to feel changes in stimulus intensity due to the TENS stimulation.

      We thank the reviewer for pointing out the potential risk of unblinding participants due to the re-familiarization process prior to the second test session. We would like to clarify that we followed specific procedures to prevent participants from associating this process with the experimental manipulation. The re-familiarisation with the thermal stimuli was conducted after the electrode had been applied and re-tested to ensure that both stimulus modalities were re-introduced in a consistent and neutral context. Participants were explicitly informed that both procedures were standard checks prior to the actual test session (“We will check both once again before we begin the actual measurement.”). For the thermal stimuli, we informed participants that they would experience three different intensities to allow the skin to acclimate (e.g., “...we will test the heat stimuli in 3 trials with different temperatures, allowing your skin to acclimate to the stimuli. …”), without implying any connection to the experimental conditions.

      Importantly, this re-familiarization procedure mirrored what participants had already experienced during the initial calibration session on day 1. We therefore assume that participants interpreted as a routine technical step rather than part of the experimental manipulation. We have now clarified this procedure in the methods section of the revised manuscript.

      (5) "For a comparison of pain intensity ratings between time-points, an ANOVA with the within-subject factors Condition (placebo, nocebo, control) and Session (day 1, day 8) was carried out. For the comparison of placebo and nocebo effects between the two test days, an ANOVA with the with-subject factors Effect (placebo effect, nocebo effect) and Session (day 1, day 8) was used."

      It seems that one ANOVA is looking at raw pain scores and one is looking at difference scores, but this is a bit confusing - please rephrase/clarify this, and explain why it is useful to include both.

      We thank the reviewer for highlighting this point. Our primary analyses focus on placebo and nocebo effects, which we define as the difference in pain intensity ratings between the control and the placebo condition (placebo effect) and the nocebo and the control condition (nocebo effect), respectively.

      To examine whether condition effects were present at each time-point, we first conducted two separate repeated measures ANOVAs - one for day 1 and one for day 8 - with the within-subject factor CONDITION (placebo, nocebo, control).

      To compare the magnitude and persistence of placebo and nocebo effects over time, we then calculated the above-mentioned difference scores and submitted these to a second ANOVA with within-subject factors EFFECT (placebo vs. nocebo effect) and SESSION (day 1 vs. day 8). We have now clarified this approach on page 19 of the revised manuscript. To avoid confusion, the Condition x Session ANOVA has been removed from the manuscript.

      (6) Please can the authors provide a figure illustrating trial-by-trial ratings during test trials as well as during conditioning trials?

      In response to the reviewer’s point, we now provide the trial-by-trial ratings of the test phases on days 1 and 8 as an additional figure in the Supplement (Figure S1) and would like to clarify that trial-by-trial pain intensity ratings of the conditioning phase are displayed in Figure 2C of the manuscript,

      (7) "Separate multiple linear regression analyses were performed to examine the influence of expectations (GEEE ratings) and experienced effects (VAS ratings) on subsequent placebo and nocebo effects. For day 1, the placebo effect was entered as the dependent variable and the following variables as potential predictors: (i) expected improvement with placebo before conditioning, (ii) placebo effect during conditioning and (iii) the expected improvement with placebo before the test session at day 1"

      The term "placebo effect during conditioning" is a bit confusing - I believe this is just the effect of varying stimulus intensities - please could the authors be more explicit on the terminology they use to describe this? NB changes in pain rating during the conditioning trials do not count as a placebo/nocebo effect, as most of the change in rating will reflect differences in stimulation intensity.

      We agree with the reviewer that the cited paragraph refers to the actual application of lower or higher pain stimuli during the conditioning session, rather than genuinely induced placebo or nocebo effect. We thank the reviewer for this helpful observation and have revised the terminology, accordingly, now referring to these as “pain relief during conditioning” and “pain worsening during conditioning”.

      (8) Supplementary materials: "The three temperature levels were perceived as significantly different (VAS ratings; placebo condition: M= 32.90, SD= 16.17; nocebo condition: M= 56.62, SD= 17.09; control condition: M= 80.84, SD= 12.18"

      This suggests that the VAS rating for the control condition was higher than for the nocebo condition. Please could the authors clarify/correct this?

      We thank the reviewer for spotting this error. The values for the control and the nocebo condition had accidentally been swapped. This has now been corrected in the manuscript: control condition: M= 56.62, SD= 17.09; nocebo condition: M= 80.84, SD= 12.18.

      (9) "To predict placebo responses a week later (VAScontrol - VASplacebo at day 8), the same independent variables were entered as for day 1 but with the following additional variables (i) the placebo effect at day 1 and (ii) the expected improvement with placebo before the test session at day 8."

      Here it would be much clearer to say 'pain ratings during test trials at day 1".

      We agree with the reviewer and have revised the manuscript as suggested.

      (10) For completeness, please present the pain intensity ratings during conditioning as well as calibration/test trials in the figure.

      Please see our answer to comment (6).

      (11) In Figure 1a, it looks like some participants had rated the control condition as zero by day 8. If so, it's inappropriate to include these participants in the analysis if they are not responding to the stimulus. Were these the participants who were excluded due to pain insensitivity?

      On day 8, the lowest pain intensity ratings observed were VAS 3 in the placebo condition and VAS 2 in the control condition, both from the same participant. All other participants reported minimum values of VAS 11 or higher (all on a scale from 0-100). Thus, no participant provided a pain rating of VAS 0, and all ratings indicated some level of pain perception in response to the stimulus. We did not define an exclusion criterion based on day 8 pain ratings in our preregistration, and we did not observe any technical issues with the stimulation procedure. To avoid post-hoc exclusions and maintain consistency with our preregistered analysis plan, we therefore decided to include all participants in the analysis.

      (12) "Comparison of day 1 and day 8. A direct comparison of placebo and nocebo effects on day 1 and day 8 pain intensity ratings showed a main effect of Effect with a stronger nocebo effect (F(1,97)= 53.93, 131 p< .001, η2= .36) but no main effect of Day (F(1,97)= 2.94, p= .089, η2 = .029). The significant Effect x Session interaction indicated that the placebo effect and the nocebo effect developed differently over time (F(1,97)= 3.98, p= .049, η2 = .039)"

      This is confusing as it talks about a main effect of "day" and then interaction with "session" - are they two different models? The authors need to clarify.

      We thank the reviewer for pointing this out. In our analysis, “Session” is the correct term for the experimental factor, which has two factor levels, “day 1” and “day 8”. This has now been corrected in the revised manuscript.

      Reviewer #2 (Recommendations for the authors):

      (1) More information on how "size of the effect" in Figures 1b and 2b was calculated is needed; this can be in the legend. If these are differences between control and each condition, then they were reversed for one condition (nocebo?), which is ok - but this should be clearly explained.

      We agree with the reviewer and have now revised the figure legends to improve clarity. The legends now read:

      1b: “Figure 1. Pain intensity ratings and placebo and nocebo effects during calibration and test sessions. (A) Mean pain intensity ratings in the placebo, nocebo and control condition during calibration, and during the test sessions at day 1 and day 8. (B) Placebo effect (control condition - placebo condition, i.e., positive value of difference) and nocebo effect (nocebo condition - control condition, i.e., positive value of difference) on day 1 and day 8. Error bars indicate the standard error of the mean, circles indicate mean ratings of individual participants. *: p < .001, : p < .01, n.s.: non-significant.”

      2b: “Figure 2. Mean and trial-by-trial pain intensity ratings, placebo and nocebo effects during conditioning. (A) Mean pain intensity ratings of the placebo, nocebo and control condition during conditioning. (B) Placebo effect (control condition - placebo condition, i.e., positive value of difference) and nocebo effect (nocebo condition - control condition, i.e., positive value of difference) during conditioning. (C) Trial-by-trial pain intensity ratings (with confidence intervals) during conditioning. Error bars indicate the standard error of the mean, circles indicate mean ratings of individual participants. ***: p < .001.”

      (2) In the methods, I was missing a clear understanding of how many trials there were in the conditioning phase, and then how many in the other testing phases. Also, how long did the experiment last in total?

      We apologize that the exact number of trials in the testing phases was not clear in the original manuscript. We now indicate on page 18 of the revised manuscript that we used 10 trials per condition in the test sessions. We have also added information on the duration of each test day (i.e., three hours on day 1 and one hour on day 8) on page 15.

      (3) In expectancy ratings, line 186 - are improvement and worsening expectations different from expected pain relief? It is implied that these are two different constructs - it would be helpful to clarify that.

      We agree that this is indeed confusing and would like to clarify that both refer to the same construct. We used the Generic rating scale for previous treatment experiences, treatment expectations, and treatment effects (GEEE questionnaire, Rief et al. 2021) that discriminates between expected symptom improvement, expected symptom worsening, and expected side effects due to a treatment. We now use the terms “expected pain relief” and “expected pain worsening” throughout the whole manuscript.

      (4) In the last section of the Results, somatosensory amplification comes out of nowhere - and could be better introduced (see point 2 above).

      We agree with the reviewer that introducing the concept of somatosensory amplification and its potential link to placebo/nocebo effects only in the Methods is unhelpful, given that this section appears at the end of the manuscript. We therefore now introduce the relevant publication (Doering et al., 2015) before reporting our findings on this concept.

      (5) In line 169, if the authors want to specify what portion of the variance was explained by expectancy, they could conduct a hierarchical regression, where they first look at R2 without the expectancy entered, and only then enter it to obtain the R2 change.

      We fully agree that hierarchical regression can be a useful approach for isolating the contribution of variables. However, in our case, expectancy was assessed at different time points (e.g., before conditioning and before the test session on day 1), and there was no principled rationale for determining the order in which these different expectancy-related variables should be entered into a hierarchical model.

      That said, in response to the reviewer’s suggestion, we have now conducted hierarchical regression analyses in which all expectancy-related variables were entered together as a single block (see below). These analyses largely confirmed the findings reported so far and are provided here in the response to the reviewers below. Given the exploratory nature of this grouping and the lack of an a priori hierarchy, we feel that the standard multiple regression models remain the most appropriate for addressing our research question because it allows us to evaluate the total contribution of expectancy-related predictors while also examining the individual contribution of each variable within the block. We would therefore prefer to retain these as the primary analyses in the manuscript.

      Results of the hierarchical regression analyses:

      Day 1 - Placebo response: In step 1, we entered the difference in pain intensity ratings between the control and the placebo condition during conditioning as a predictor. In step 2, we added the two variables reflecting expectations (i.e., expected improvement with placebo (i) before conditioning and (ii) before the test session on day 1). This allowed us to assess whether expectation-related variables explained additional variance beyond the effect of conditioning.

      The overall regression model at step 1 was significant, F(1, 102) = 13.42, p < .001, explaining 11.6% of the variance in the dependent variable (R<sup>2</sup> = .116). Adding the expectancy-related predictors in step 2 did not lead to a significant increase in explained variance, ΔR<sup>2</sup> = .007, F(2, 100) = 0.384, p = .682. Thus, the conditioning response significantly predicted placebo-related pain reduction on day 1, but additional information on expectations did not account for further variance.

      Day 1 - Nocebo response: The equivalent analysis was run for the nocebo response on day 1. In step 1, the pain intensity difference between the nocebo and the control condition was entered as a predictor before adding the two expectancy ratings (i.e., expected worsening with nocebo (i) before conditioning and (ii) before the test session on day 1).

      In step 1, the regression model was not statistically significant, F(1, 102) = 2.63, p = .108, and explained only 2.5% of the variance in nocebo response (R<sup>2</sup> = .025). Adding the expectation-related predictors in Step 2 slightly increased the explained variance by ΔR<sup>2</sup> = .027, but this change was also non-significant, F(2, 100) = 1.41, p = .250. The overall variance explained by the full model remained low (R<sup>2</sup> = .052). These results suggest that neither conditioning nor expectation-related variables reliably predicted nocebo-related pain increases on day 1.

      Day 8 - Placebo response: For the prediction of the placebo effect on day 8, the following variables reflecting perceived effects were entered as predictors in step 1: the difference in pain intensity ratings between the control and the placebo condition (i) during conditioning and (ii) on day 1. In step 2, the variables reflecting expectations were added: the expected improvement with placebo (i) before conditioning, (ii) before the test session on day 1 and (iii) before the test session on day 8.

      In step 1, the model was statistically significant, F(3, 95) = 14.86, p < .001, explaining 23.8% of the variance in the placebo response (R<sup>2</sup> = .238, Adjusted R<sup>2</sup> = .222). In step 2, the addition of the expectation-related predictors resulted in a non-significant improvement in model fit, ΔR<sup>2</sup> = .051, F(3, 92) = 2.21, p = .092. The overall variance explained by the full model increased modestly to 29.0%.

      Day 8 - Nocebo response: For the equivalent analyses of nocebo responses on day 8, the following variables were included in step 1: the difference in pain intensity ratings between the nocebo and the control condition (i) during conditioning and (ii) on day 1. In step 2, we entered the variables reflecting nocebo expectations including expected worsening with nocebo (i) before conditioning, (ii) before the test session on day 1 and (iii) before the test session on day 8. In step 1, the model significantly predicted the day 8 nocebo response, F(3, 95) = 6.04, p = .003, accounting for 11.3% of the variance (R<sup>2</sup> = .113, Adjusted R<sup>2</sup> = .094). However, the addition of expectation-related predictors in Step 2 resulted in only a negligible and non-significant improvement, ΔR<sup>2</sup> = .006, F(3, 92) = 0.215, p = .886. The full model explained just 11.9% of the variance (R<sup>2</sup> = .119).

      Typos:

      (6) Abstract - 104 heathy xxx (word missing).

      (7) Line 61 - reduce or decrease - I think you meant increase.

      Thank you, we have now corrected both sentences.

      References

      Colloca L, Petrovic P, Wager TD, Ingvar M, Benedetti F. How the number of learning trials affects placebo and nocebo responses. Pain. 2010

      Doering BK, Nestoriuc Y, Barsky AJ, Glaesmer H, Brähler E, Rief W. Is somatosensory amplification a risk factor for an increased report of side effects? Reference data from the German general population. J Psychosom Res. 2015

    1. Author response:

      The following is the authors’ response to the previous reviews

      Reviewer #1 (Public review):

      Summary:

      In the manuscript the authors describe a new pipeline to measure changes in vasculature diameter upon optogenetic stimulation of neurons. The work is useful to better understand the hemodynamic response on a network /graph level.

      Strengths:

      The manuscript provides a pipeline that allows to detect changes in the vessel diameter as well as simultaneously allows to locate the neurons driven by stimulation.

      The resulting data could provide interesting insights into the graph level mechanisms of regulating activity dependent blood flow.

      Weaknesses:

      (1) The manuscript contains (new) wrong statements and (still) wrong mathematical formulas.

      The symbols in these formulas have been updated to disambiguate them, and the accompanying statements have been adjusted for clarity.

      (2) The manuscript does not compare results to existing pipelines for vasculature segmentation (opensource or commercial). Comparing performance of the pipeline to a random forest classifier (illastik) on images that are not preprocessed (i.e. corrected for background etc.) seems not a particularly useful comparison.

      We’ve now included comparisons to Imaris (a commercial) for segmentation and VesselVio (open-source) for graph extraction software.

      For the ilastik comparison, the images were preprocessed prior to ilastik segmentation, specifically by doing intensity normalization.

      Example segmentations utilizing Imaris have now been included. Imaris leaves gaps and discontinuities in the segmentation masks, as shown in Supplementary Figure 10. The Imaris segmentation masks also tend to be more circular in cross-section despite irregularities on the surface of the vessels observable in the raw data and identified in manual segmentation. This approach also requires days to months to generate per image stack.

      A comparison to VesselVio has now also been generated, and results are visualized in Supplementary Figure 11. VesselVio generates individual graphs for each time point, resulting in potential discrepancies in the structure of the graphs from different time points. Furthermore, Vesselvio uses distance transformation to estimate the vascular radius, which renders the vessel radius estimates highly susceptible to variation in the user selected methodology used to obtain segmentation results; while our approach uses intensity gradient-based boundary detection from centerlines in the image instead mitigating this bias. We have added the following paragraph to the Discussion section on the comparisons with the two methods:

      “Comparison with commercial and open-source vascular analysis pipelines

      To compare our results with those achievable on these data with other pipelines for segmentation and graph network extraction, we compared segmentation results qualitatively with Imaris version 9.2.1 (Bitplane) and vascular graph extraction with VesselVio [1]. For the Imaris comparison, three small volumes were annotated by hand to label vessels. Example slices of the segmentation results are shown in Supplementary Figure 10. Imaris tended to either over- or under-segment vessels, disregard fine details of the vascular boundaries, and produce jagged edges in the vascular segmentation masks. In addition to these issues with segmentation mask quality, manual segmentation of a single volume took days for a rater to annotate. To compare to VesselVio, binary segmentation masks (one before and one after photostimulation) generated with our deep learning models were loaded into VesselVio for graph extraction, as VesselVio does not have its own method for generating segmentation masks. This also facilitates a direct comparison of the benefits of our graph extraction pipeline to VesselVio. Visualizations of the two graphs are shown in Supplementary Figure 11. Vesselvio produced many hairs at both time points, and the total number of segments varied considerably between the two sequential stacks: while the baseline scan resulted in 546 vessel segments, the second scan had 642 vessel segments. These discrepancies are difficult to resolve in post-processing and preclude a direct comparison of individual vessel segments across time. As the segmentation masks we used in graph extraction derive from the union of multiple time points, we could better trace the vasculature and identify more connections in our extracted graph. Furthermore, VesselVio relies on the distance transform of the user supplied segmentation mask to estimate vascular radii; consequently, these estimates are highly susceptible to variations in the input segmentation masks.We repeatedly saw slight variations between boundary placements of all of the models we utilized (ilastik, UNet, and UNETR) and those produced by raters. Our pipeline mitigates this segmentation method bias by using intensity gradient-based boundary detection from centerlines in the image (as opposed to using the distance transform of the segmentation mask, as in VesselVio).”

      (3) The manuscript does not clearly visualize performance of the segmentation pipeline (e.g. via 2d sections, highlighting also errors etc.). Thus, it is unclear how good the pipeline is, under what conditions it fails or what kind of errors to expect.

      On reviewer’s comment, 2D slices have been added in the Supplementary Figure 4.

      (4) The pipeline is not fully open-source due to use of matlab. Also, the pipeline code was not made available during review contrary to the authors claims (the provided link did not lead to a repository). Thus, the utility of the pipeline was difficult to judge.

      All code has been uploaded to Github and is available at the following location: https://github.com/AICONSlab/novas3d

      The Matlab code for skeletonization is better at preserving centerline integrity during the pruning of hairs from centerlines than the currently available open-source methods.

      - Generalizability: The authors addressed the point of generalizability by applying the pipeline to other data sets. This demonstrates that their pipeline can be applied to other data sets and makes it more useful.  However, from the visualizations it's unclear to see the performance of the pipeline, where the pipelines fails etc. The 3d visualizations are not particularly helpful in this respect . In addition, the dice measure seems quite low, indicating roughly 20-40% of voxels do not overlap between inferred and ground truth. I did not notice this high discrepancy earlier. A thorough discussion of the errors appearing in the segmentation pipeline would be necessary in my view to better assess the quality of the pipeline.

      2D slices from the additional datasets have been added in the Supplementary Figure 13 to aid in visualizing the models’ ability to generalize to other datasets.

      The dice range we report on (0.7-0.8) is good when compared to those (0.56-86) of 3D segmentations of large datasets in microscopy [2], [3], [4], [5], [6]. Furthermore, we had two additional raters segment three images from the original training set. We found that the raters had a mean inter class correlation  of 0.73 [7]. Our model outperformed this Dice score on unseen data: Dice scores from our generalizability tests on C57 mice and Fischer rats on par or higher than this baseline.

      Reviewer #2 (Public review):

      The authors have addressed most of my concerns sufficiently. There are still a few serious concerns I have. Primarily, the temporal resolution of the technique still makes me dubious about nearly all of the biological results. It is good that the authors have added some vessel diameter time courses generated by their model. But I still maintain that data sampling every 42 seconds - or even 21 seconds - is problematic. First, the evidence for long vascular responses is lacking. The authors cite several papers:

      Alarcon-Martinez et al. 2020 show and explicitly state that their responses (stimulus-evoked) returned to baseline within 30 seconds. The responses to ischemia are long lasting but this is irrelevant to the current study using activated local neurons to drive vessel signals.

      Mester et al. 2019 show responses that all seem to return to baseline by around 50 seconds post-stimulus.

      In Mester et al. 2019, diffuse stimulations with blue light showed a return to baseline around 50 seconds post-stimulus (cf. Figure 1E,2C,2D). However, focal stimulations where the stimulation light is raster scanned over a small region focused in the field of view show longer-lasting responses (cf. Figure 4) that have not returned to baseline by 70 seconds post-stimulus [8]. Alarcon-Martinez et al. do report that their responses return baseline within 30 seconds; however, their physiological stimulation may lead to different neuronal and vessel response kinetics than those elicited by the optogenetic stimulations as in current work.

      O'Herron et al. 2022 and Hartmann et al. 2021 use opsins expressed in vessel walls (not neurons as in the current study) and directly constrict vessels with light. So this is unrelated to neuronal activity-induced vascular signals in the current study.

      We agree that optogenetic activation of vessel-associated cells is distinct from optogenetic activation of neurons, but we do expect the effects of such perturbations on the vasculature to have some commonalities.

      There are other papers including Vazquez et al 2014 (PMID: 23761666) and Uhlirova et al 2016 (PMID: 27244241) and many others showing optogenetically-evoked neural activity drives vascular responses that return back to baseline within 30 seconds. The stimulation time and the cell types labeled may be different across these studies which can make a difference. But vascular responses lasting 300 seconds or more after a stimulus of a few seconds are just not common in the literature and so are very suspect - likely at least in part due to the limitations of the algorithm.

      The photostimulation in Vazquez et al. 2014 used diffuse photostimulation with a fiberoptic probe similar to Mester et al. 2019 as opposed to raster scanning focal stimulation we used in this study and in the study by Mester et al. 2019  where we observed the focal photostimulation to elicited longer than a minute vascular responses. Uhlirova et al. 2016 used photostimulation powers between 0.7 and 2.8 mW, likely lower than our 4.3 mW/mm<sup>2</sup> photostimulation. Further, even with focal photostimulation, we do see light intensity dependence of the duration of the vascular responses. Indeed, in Supplementary Figure 2, 1.1 mW/mm<sup>2</sup> photostimulation leads to briefer dilations/constrictions than does 4.3 mW/mm<sup>2</sup>; the 1.1 mW/mm<sup>2</sup> responses are in line, duration wise, with those in Uhlirova et al. 2016.

      Critically, as per Supplementary Figure 2, the analysis of the experimental recordings acquired at 3-second temporal resolution did likewise show responses in many vessels lasting for tens of seconds and even hundreds of seconds in some vessels.

      Another major issue is that the time courses provided show that the same vessel constricts at certain points and dilates later. So where in the time course the data is sampled will have a major effect on the direction and amplitude of the vascular response. In fact, I could not find how the "response" window is calculated. Is it from the first volume collected after the stimulation - or an average of some number of volumes? But clearly down-sampling the provided data to 42 or even 21 second sampling will lead to problems. If the major benefit to the field is the full volume over large regions that the model can capture and describe, there needs to be a better way to capture the vessel diameter in a meaningful way.

      In the main experiment (i.e. excluding the additional experiments presented in the Supplementary Figure 2 that were collected over a limited FOV at 3s per stack), we have collected one stack every 42 seconds. The first slice of the volume starts following the photostimulation, and the last slice finishes at 42 seconds. Each slice takes ~0.44 seconds to acquire. The data analysis pipeline (as demonstrated by the Supplementary Figure 2) is not in any way limited to data acquired at this temporal resolution and - provided reasonable signal-to-noise ratio (cf. Figure 5) - is applicable, as is, to data acquired at much higher sampling rates.

      It still seems possible that if responses are bi-phasic, then depth dependencies of constrictors vs dilators may just be due to where in the response the data are being captured - maybe the constriction phase is captured in deeper planes of the volume and the dilation phase more superficially. This may also explain why nearly a third of vessels are not consistent across trials - if the direction the volume was acquired is different across trials, different phases of the response might be captured.

      Alternatively, like neuronal responses to physiological stimuli, the vascular responses elicited by increases in neuronal activity may themselves be variable in both space and time.

      I still have concerns about other aspects of the responses but these are less strong. Particularly, these bi-phasic responses are not something typically seen and I still maintain that constrictions are not common. The authors are right that some papers do show constriction. Leaving out the direct optogenetic constriction of vessels (O'Herron 2022 & Hartmann 2021), the Alarcon-Martinez et al. 2020 paper and others such as Gonzales et al 2020 (PMID: 33051294) show different capillary branches dilating and constricting. However, these are typically found either with spontaneous fluctuations or due to highly localized application of vasoactive compounds. I am not familiar with data showing activation of a large region of tissue - as in the current study - coupled with vessel constrictions in the same region. But as the authors point out, typically only a few vessels at a time are monitored so it is possible - even if this reviewer thinks it unlikely - that this effect is real and just hasn't been seen.

      Uhlirova et al. 2016 (PMID: 27244241) observed biphasic responses in the same vessel with optogenetic stimulation in anesthetized and unanesthetized animals (cf Fig 1b and Fig 2, and section “OG stimulation of INs reproduces the biphasic arteriolar response”). Devor et al. (2007) and Lindvere et al. (2013) also reported on constrictions and dilations being elicited by sensory stimuli.

      I also have concerns about the spatial resolution of the data. It looks like the data in Figure 7 and Supplementary Figure 7 have a resolution of about 1 micron/pixel. It isn't stated so I may be wrong. But detecting changes of less than 1 micron, especially given the noise of an in vivo prep (brain movement and so on), might just be noise in the model. This could also explain constrictions as just spurious outputs in the model's diameter estimation. The high variability in adjacent vessel segments seen in Figure 6C could also be explained the same way, since these also seem biologically and even physically unlikely.

      Thank you for your comment. To address this important issue, we performed an additional validation experiment where we placed a special order of fluorescent beads with a known diameter of 7.32 ± 0.27um, imaged them following our imaging protocol, and subsequently used our pipeline to estimate their diameter. Our analysis converged on the manufacturer-specified diameters, estimating the diameter to be 7.34 ± 0.32. The manuscript has been updated to detail this experiment, as below:

      Methods section insert

      “Second, our boundary detection algorithm was used to estimate the diameters of fluorescent beads of a known radius imaged under similar acquisition parameters. Polystyrene microspheres labelled with Flash Red (Bangs Laboratories, inc, CAT# FSFR007) with a nominal diameter of 7.32um and a specified range of 7.32 ± 0.27um as determined by the manufacturer using a Coulter counter were imaged on the same multiphoton fluorescence microscope set-up used in the experiment (identical light path, resonant scanner, objective, detector, excitation wavelength and nominal lateral and axial resolutions, with 5x averaging). The images of the beads had a higher SNR than our images of the vasculature, so Gaussian noise was added to the images to degrade the SNR to the same level of that of the blood vessels. The images of the beads were segmented with a threshold, centroids calculated for individual spheres, and planes with a random normal vector extracted from each bead and used to estimate the diameter of the beads. The same smoothing and PSF deconvolution steps were applied in this task. We then reported the mean and standard deviation of the distribution of the diameter estimates. A variety of planes were used to estimate the diameters.”

      Results Section Insert

      “Our boundary detection algorithm successfully estimated the radius of precisely specified fluorescent beads. The bead images had a signal-to-noise ratio of 6.79 ± 0.16 (about 35% higher than our in vivo images): to match their SNR to that of in vivo vessel data, following deconvolution, we added Gaussian noise with a standard deviation of 85 SU to the images, bringing the SNR down to 5.05 ± 0.15. The data processing pipeline was kept unaltered except for the bead segmentation, performed via image thresholding instead of our deep learning model (trained on vessel data). The bead boundary was computed following the same algorithm used on vessel data: i.e., by the average of the minimum intensity gradients computed along 36 radial spokes emanating from the centreline vertex in the orthogonal plane. To demonstrate an averaging-induced decrease in the uncertainty of the bead radius estimates on a scale that is finer than the nominal resolution of the imaging configuration, we tested four averaging levels in 289 beads. Three of these averaging levels were lower than that used on the vessels, and one matched that used on the vessels (36 spokes per orthogonal plane and a minimum of 10 orthogonal planes per vessel). As the amount of averaging increased, the uncertainty on the diameter of the beads decreased, and our estimate of the bead's diameter converged upon the manufacturer's Coulter counter-based specifications (7.32 ± 0.27um), as tabulated below in Table 1.”

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    1. Briefing détaillé : L'Endométriose – Vers de nouvelles thérapies

      Ce document présente une revue détaillée des thèmes principaux, des idées les plus importantes et des faits marquants concernant l'endométriose, basés sur les extraits audio fournis.

      Introduction : Une Maladie Complexe et Invalidante

      L'endométriose est une maladie complexe et insidieuse qui touche environ une femme sur 10, soit 200 millions de personnes dans le monde.

      Elle se caractérise par la présence de tissu semblable à l'endomètre (la muqueuse utérine) en dehors de l'utérus, pouvant se fixer sur divers organes comme les ovaires, la région pelvienne et abdominale, la vessie, l'intestin, et même les poumons.

      Ces lésions s'épaississent et saignent lors des règles, mais contrairement aux menstruations, le sang ne peut être évacué, entraînant des inflammations, des kystes, des cicatrices et des adhérences entre les organes.

      La douleur est un symptôme central, souvent décrite comme "transperçante, on dirait des lames" ou "un arrachement d'organe", et "pire que celle d'un accouchement".

      Elle peut être aiguë dans l'abdomen et le dos, lors des rapports sexuels et en allant aux toilettes.

      Cette douleur chronique peut également engendrer une "mémoire de la douleur", rendant les patientes encore plus sensibles.

      La maladie est évolutive et très invalidante, affectant profondément la qualité de vie des femmes, comme en témoigne Amandine Paul André : "On peut pas avoir une vie entre guillemets normale quoi. On est obligé de faire avec la forme du moment".

      Un Diagnostic Tardif et une Souffrance Ignorée L'un des problèmes majeurs de l'endométriose est le délai de diagnostic, qui est en moyenne de 7 à 10 ans.

      Cette latence est principalement due au fait que "la souffrance des patientes n'est pas prise au sérieux".

      De nombreuses femmes entendent des phrases comme "on me dit que je suis folle, mon IRM est normal, c'est dans ma tête". Historiquement, la médecine a longtemps négligé les douleurs féminines, les considérant comme normales, voire les associant à l'hystérie ou à des problèmes psychologiques. Jasmine Cando raconte : "j'en ai parlé à ma mère qui m'a dit 'Mais c'est normal, moi j'étais comme toi, ça va durer un certain temps.' Donc j'ai appris à me taire, à terre mes douleurs."

      Le manque de connaissances médicales sur la maladie a également contribué à ce retard.

      En France, l'endométriose n'a fait son entrée dans les programmes de médecine qu'en 2020, et en Allemagne en 2018 pour la spécialisation en gynécologie obstétrique.

      Causes Mal Connues, Traitements Non Curatifs mais en Évolution

      Les causes exactes de l'endométriose restent encore "mal connues".

      Cependant, la recherche progresse et suggère qu'il n'y a pas "un seul type d'endométriose, mais plusieurs", partageant des traits communs avec d'autres maladies chroniques complexes.

      Il n'existe actuellement aucun traitement curatif pour l'endométriose. Cependant, des options sont disponibles pour atténuer les symptômes et enrayer sa progression :

      Thérapies hormonales : Souvent recommandées en première intention (pilule contraceptive, traitement progestatif) pour limiter la production d'œstrogènes et les saignements, interrompant ainsi la prolifération des lésions.

      Cependant, cette solution "ne convient pas à tout le monde" et peut avoir des effets secondaires. Gestion multimodale de la douleur : Intègre des approches médicamenteuses (antalgiques, parfois morphine comme pour Yasmine, bien que cela puisse entraîner une dépendance) et non médicamenteuses.

      Parmi ces dernières, on trouve le yoga, les changements d'alimentation, l'ostéopathie, l'acupuncture et l'accompagnement psychologique.

      Maria Bambec a appris à "se composer comme un bouquet de fleurs de toutes les choses qui m'aident et je pioche dedans".

      Chirurgie : Vise à retirer ou détruire les lésions d'endométriose.

      Ces interventions peuvent être complexes, en particulier pour les formes sévères touchant plusieurs organes.

      Amandine a subi une intervention de 5 heures pour des lésions obstructives de l'intestin, utilisant la chirurgie robotique pour une "précision inégalée".

      Cependant, la maladie peut récidiver après la chirurgie, comme l'a expérimenté Yasmine, qui a subi neuf opérations.

      Avancées Prometteuses en Diagnostic et Traitement

      Malgré les défis, la recherche "rattrape peu à peu son retard" et les "dernières avancées en matière de diagnostic et de thérapie sont particulièrement prometteuses."

      Test salivaire (EndoTest) : Cette avancée est "absolument phénoménale". Développé par une entreprise lyonnaise de biotechnologie, ce test permettrait de diagnostiquer l'endométriose avec une "précision diagnostique de plus de 95 %" à partir d'un échantillon de 2 ml de salive, évitant ainsi des cœlioscopies diagnostiques. L'étude actuelle sur 25 000 femmes vise à évaluer son impact sur la prise en charge et le nombre d'opérations.

      Ultrasons focalisés à haute intensité (HIFU) : Cette nouvelle approche thérapeutique, testée à Lyon, permettrait d'éviter des chirurgies lourdes pour les lésions profondes, notamment celles infiltrant la paroi rectale.

      La sonde utilise des ultrasons à très haute énergie pour "brûler" et détruire les lésions, leur vascularisation et les fibres nerveuses responsables de la douleur.

      Les premiers résultats sont très encourageants : sur 60 femmes traitées, seules trois ont connu une récidive, et les patientes témoignent d'une réduction significative de la douleur. Gill du Bernard, le médecin menant l'essai, déclare : "C'est un rêve devenu réalité".

      Recherche génétique : Des études à Oxford, menées par Krina Zondervan, analysent l'ADN de dizaines de milliers de femmes pour identifier les "variants génétiques correspondant à un risque d'endométriose" (42 régions du génome identifiées).

      Ces recherches révèlent des recoupements avec d'autres comorbidités (douleurs dorsales, migraines, maladies inflammatoires auto-immunes, asthme).

      L'objectif est de développer des "médicaments adaptés aux différentes manifestations de l'endométriose" et d'individualiser le diagnostic et la prise en charge, à l'image de l'oncologie.

      Sensibilisation et Soutien : Un Enjeu Sociétal

      L'endométriose est de plus en plus reconnue comme un "problème de société", comme l'a souligné le président Macron en janvier 2022. En 2024, le gouvernement allemand a alloué 15 millions d'euros sur 3 ans à la recherche.

      Des actions de sensibilisation sont menées activement par des associations de patientes comme Endofrance, où Yasmine Cando intervient dans les collèges et lycées.

      Grâce aux réseaux sociaux et à des célébrités (Alexa Chung, Lena Dunham, Laetitia Milot), la parole se libère autour des règles et des douleurs gynécologiques. Yasmine constate une évolution positive, notamment chez les garçons, qui "posent les questions, qui interviennent", changeant la perception de cette maladie longtemps considérée comme strictement féminine.

      Le soutien des proches est également crucial. Lucas, le compagnon de Maria, a appris à être présent sans chercher à "soulager sa douleur" directement, mais en "communiquant", "juste une pression de la main ou le fait de dire 'Je suis là, je peux te réchauffer quelque chose, comment tu te sens ?'".

      Conséquences de la Maladie au-delà de la Santé Physique

      Les conséquences de l'endométriose s'étendent bien au-delà de la douleur physique :

      Infertilité : Plus d'une patiente sur trois a des difficultés à tomber enceinte naturellement.

      Souffrances psychiques : Dépression, anxiété, et sentiment de "flou en permanence" sont fréquents. Impact socio-économique :

      La maladie entraîne des arrêts de travail, une diminution de la productivité, et parfois l'incapacité de travailler.

      "Cette situation pèse sur l'économie, le système de santé et de sociale. Une maladie mal prise en charge a des conséquences pour toute la société."

      Conclusion : Un Espoir Renouvelé

      • Malgré le parcours souvent long et difficile des patientes, les avancées récentes en matière de diagnostic (test salivaire) et de traitements (ultrasons focalisés, recherche génétique pour des thérapies ciblées) offrent un immense espoir.

      L'amélioration de la prise en charge, à travers des structures comme les hôpitaux de jour proposant une approche pluridisciplinaire, permet un suivi plus rapide et plus global, essentiel pour améliorer le confort de vie des patientes.

      L'objectif est de tendre vers des "thérapies beaucoup plus ciblées, du sur-mesure grâce à la recherche génétique."

      La sensibilisation croissante et la reconnaissance de l'endométriose comme un problème de société sont également des pas importants vers un avenir où les femmes atteintes pourront vivre une vie plus apaisée.

    1. L'extrait du documentaire ARTE, intitulé « Premier de corvée », offre un aperçu poignant de la vie des travailleurs sans-papiers en France, se concentrant principalement sur ceux employés dans le secteur de la restauration.

      Les discussions mettent en lumière les défis quotidiens de ces individus, notamment la précarité de l'emploi, les longues heures de travail et la difficulté d'obtenir des papiers de régularisation, souvent via des syndicats ou des avocats.

      Les témoignages révèlent le sacrifice personnel impliqué dans l'exil, le manque de sommeil et l'exploitation, ainsi que l'importance cruciale de ces travailleurs pour le fonctionnement de certaines industries.

      Le texte souligne également les efforts collectifs de grève pour revendiquer leurs droits, illustrant leur lutte pour la dignité et l'unité des salariés.

      Premiers de corvée : Synthèse du documentaire

      Résumé

      Ce document synthétise les thèmes centraux du documentaire "Premier de corvée", qui explore la vie des travailleurs immigrés sans papiers en France, particulièrement dans le secteur de la restauration.

      Il met en lumière une réalité paradoxale : ces travailleurs, bien qu'essentiels au fonctionnement de pans entiers de l'économie, sont privés de droits fondamentaux et vivent dans une précarité constante.

      Le documentaire retrace leur parcours, depuis les motivations du départ et les périls du voyage jusqu'à la dure réalité du travail non déclaré, l'exploitation et la séparation familiale.

      La lutte pour la régularisation est au cœur du récit, illustrant le rôle crucial des employeurs, le soutien syndical et la nécessité de l'action collective, comme la grève, pour obtenir des droits.

      La régularisation est présentée comme une libération, un soulagement immense qui ouvre la voie à la liberté, à la dignité et à de nouvelles perspectives professionnelles et personnelles, soulignant en creux l'injustice d'un système qui dépend d'une main-d'œuvre qu'il maintient dans l'illégalité.

      1. Le Parcours de l'Immigration

      Le documentaire dépeint l'immigration non pas comme un choix facile, mais comme une nécessité dictée par des impératifs familiaux et économiques, un chemin semé d'embûches et de sacrifices profonds.

      Motivations du départ : L'exil est présenté comme une mission et une source de fierté pour la famille restée au pays. Les raisons sont multiples : "aller chercher ta vie", "tenter ma chance", et surtout "aider la famille".

      Un témoignage brutal résume cette pression : "ta famille est de la merde toi aussi tu es de la merde tu es venu pour aider la famille".

      Les risques du voyage : Le périple est marqué par un danger mortel, notamment la traversée de la Méditerranée.

      Ce sacrifice initial est une réalité incontournable : "Tu as traversé la Méditerranée tu as risqué ta vie pour ces pays tu pouvais mourir dans dans la mer".

      La réalité en France : L'arrivée en France est une désillusion. Loin d'être des touristes venus admirer la Tour Eiffel, les immigrés sont là pour une seule raison : le travail.

      "On n'est pas venu en vacances [...] on est venu ici pour bosser". Cette focalisation sur le travail et l'objectif de régularisation impose une vie recluse : "J'ai fait tout pour rester dans mon coin jusqu'à ce que je vais recevoir mes papiers".

      Le coût psychologique et familial : L'éloignement est une source de douleur constante.

      La nostalgie du "village" et la séparation d'avec les enfants sont des peines profondes ("ça me donne l'arme aux yeux", "ça fait mal très très mal").

      L'impossibilité de retourner au pays, même pour le décès d'un parent, est une des facettes les plus cruelles de leur condition.

      2. La Vie et le Travail en Situation Irrégulière

      La condition de "sans-papiers" est définie par l'absence de droits et une vulnérabilité extrême, qui se manifestent dans tous les aspects de la vie quotidienne et professionnelle.

      L'absence de droits : La conclusion est sans appel : "pour nous les sans papiers on n'a pas le droit". En France, tout est conditionné à la possession d'une pièce d'identité, rendant l'existence légale impossible.

      Le travail non déclaré : Pour survivre, les travailleurs ont recours à des subterfuges, comme l'utilisation des papiers d'un proche : "j'ai pris les papiers de mon frère pour [...] tenter ma chance".

      Ils travaillent "en extra", souvent avec des volumes horaires très élevés ("en extra à 200 heures par mois"), dans des secteurs comme la restauration ou le nettoyage.

      La précarité et la dévalorisation :

      Logement : Le logement est une difficulté majeure, nécessitant des arrangements précaires, comme la cohabitation pour économiser ("il faut des personnes dans la chambre") ou le recours à un tiers qui loue en son nom.  

      Épuisement : Les journées sont longues et le repos rare. Les transports tard dans la nuit, comme le VTC, sont une nécessité coûteuse après un service éreintant.  

      Injustice sociale : Les diplômes obtenus dans le pays d'origine n'ont aucune valeur. "Si tu as bac 5 ici on s'en fout des diplôme [...] vous Tous pareil".

      Cette dévalorisation est vécue comme une profonde "injustice".

      3. La Lutte pour la Régularisation

      Le processus de régularisation est un combat administratif et social complexe, où la volonté de l'employeur est déterminante et l'action collective souvent indispensable.

      Le rôle pivot de l'employeur : La régularisation est à la discrétion de l'employeur.

      "C'est le patron qui décide si vous serrez régularisé ou pas".

      Il doit accepter de remplir les documents nécessaires, notamment le formulaire CERFA 158603, mais n'a "pas d'obligation" légale de le faire.

      Le soutien syndical et associatif : Des organisations comme la CGT (mentionnée comme "CBT") et des personnes comme Marline Poulin jouent un rôle essentiel.

      Elles guident les travailleurs dans les démarches, vérifient l'éligibilité des dossiers (par exemple, la condition d'être entré en France depuis plus de 3 ans) et contactent les employeurs pour les convaincre de coopérer.

      L'action collective : La Grève : Face à des employeurs récalcitrants, "s'ils comprennent que le langage de la force", la grève devient le seul moyen de "créer un rapport de force".

      C'est une action risquée ("même si tu es un CD ou tu es un extra tu es viré tu es viré tu es fout tu as pas de papier tombe dans la galère"), mais elle est menée pour des objectifs clairs : "vos droits pour votre régularisation pour l'égalité pour l'unité du salarié et la solidarité de classe".

      Le contexte politique : Cette lutte s'inscrit dans un contexte politique tendu, marqué par le débat sur les quotas d'immigration économique et "la montée des idées extrême droite", ce qui rend la visibilité de ces mouvements d'autant plus importante.

      4. L'Indispensable Main-d'œuvre Immigrée

      Le documentaire met en évidence la dépendance de l'économie française à cette main-d'œuvre, créant un paradoxe entre son utilité économique et son invisibilité juridique.

      Des secteurs dépendants : Un constat est partagé par les syndicats et certains employeurs : sans les travailleurs immigrés, de nombreux secteurs ne pourraient fonctionner.

      Les questions rhétoriques posées sont éloquentes : "S'il n'y avait pas l'immigration si vous n'étiez pas là qui irait à 5h du matin pour ramasser les poubelles qui permettrait aux gens d'aller manger au restaurant et du plus petit au plus cher qui est en cuisine qui est à la plonge".

      La perspective des employeurs :

      ◦ Certains chefs et managers reconnaissent cette réalité : "je pense que certaines cuisines ne tourneraient pas sans les immigrés" et admettent avoir du mal à recruter pour ces postes difficiles ("c'est des boulots vous avez du mal à recruter on va pas se mentir oui quand la plonge oui").   

      ◦ Beaucoup d'employeurs sont "assez conscients de la réalité" et accompagnent leurs salariés.

      D'autres, cependant, se déresponsabilisent : "j'avoue que moi je occupe pas on a des RH pour ça".

      5. La Vie Après la Régularisation

      L'obtention des papiers est une véritable renaissance, un moment de libération qui transforme radicalement la vie des travailleurs et leur ouvre de nouvelles perspectives.

      La libération d'un poids : Les témoignages après la régularisation expriment un immense soulagement.

      "Ils avaient beaucoup de poids maintenant on dirait ils avaient 100 kg sur moi".

      La fin du stress constant est palpable.

      La conquête de la liberté : La régularisation est synonyme de choix et d'autonomie.

      "Avec tes papier les choix tu es avec ton liberté fait ce que tu veux [...] tu peux changer où tu veux les métiers où tu veux faire l'information que tu veux".

      Le retour au pays et le statut retrouvé : Le voyage au pays natal, désormais possible, permet de renouer avec la famille et de changer de statut social.

      En France, l'immigré est un "salarié" ; au pays, il redevient un "chef de famille".

      Nouveaux horizons professionnels : La régularisation permet d'envisager un avenir au-delà des métiers précaires.

      Le documentaire se conclut sur des images de formation pour des métiers aéroportuaires (agent de piste, conduite de tracteur d'avion), symbolisant la possibilité d'acquérir de nouvelles qualifications et de construire une carrière.

      Le bonheur, comme le dit un témoin, "ça va venir après".

    1. L'Échec comme Moteur : Analyse et Perspectives

      Résumé

      L'analyse des contextes fournis révèle une vision contre-intuitive et multifacette de l'échec, le présentant non pas comme une finalité mais comme un processus fondamental, voire essentiel, au développement humain, artistique et social.

      Loin d'être une simple absence de succès, l'échec est dépeint comme une ressource active : il est le carburant de la créativité pour les artistes et les clowns, un catalyseur de transformation personnelle profonde pour l'individu confronté à l'effondrement de ses rêves, et une méthodologie d'innovation pour des projets communautaires.

      Les thèmes centraux qui émergent sont la capacité de l'échec à humaniser en brisant l'illusion de la perfection, son pouvoir de générer du lien social par le rire et l'empathie, et sa fonction libératrice qui, bien que douloureuse, peut ouvrir la voie à une existence plus authentique.

      Il est également souligné que la capacité à surmonter un échec majeur est un "luxe" qui dépend d'un soutien social et structurel, mettant en lumière une inégalité face à la possibilité même de "chuter".

      1. L'Échec comme Ressource Créative et Artistique

      Le document met en évidence comment plusieurs disciplines artistiques intègrent l'échec non seulement comme un risque inhérent mais comme une composante centrale de leur processus créatif et de leur message.

      L'Art du Clown : L'Échec Humanisant

      Pour les clowns du cirque Ronkali, l'échec est la matière première de leur art. Ils le décrivent comme un élément qui les "alimente" et le considèrent comme de "l'or". Cette approche repose sur plusieurs principes clés :

      Humanisation : L'échec est perçu comme ce qui rend l'être humain, en opposition à une quête de perfection jugée "inhumaine".

      En se "cassant la figure", le clown rappelle au public que l'erreur fait partie de la condition humaine.

      Thérapie et Lien Social : L'échec mis en scène a une fonction quasi thérapeutique pour le public et les artistes.

      Le rire qu'il provoque n'est pas moqueur mais un "nous ri" fondamental, créant une communauté et un sentiment de partage.

      Le clown invite le public à participer, créant "une atmosphère où l'échec n'est pas quelque chose de tragique".

      Improvisation et Transformation : Un échec technique, comme une fausse note de trompette, n'est pas une fin en soi. Il devient une opportunité de jeu, transformé en "blague" ou en "message". La solution est de "saisir ce diamant et le polir" pour en faire un effet comique.

      L'Artiste et la "Méditation sur l'Échec"

      L'artiste américaine Cassidi Toner a fait de l'échec le cœur de sa pratique artistique, qu'elle qualifie de "méditation sur l'échec".

      Figure Totémique : Elle s'inspire de la figure tragicomique de Vil Coyote, qui échoue sans cesse à attraper Bip Bip.

      Citant Mark Twain, elle décrit le coyote comme une "allégorie vivante du désir", toujours affamé mais jamais rassasié, incarnant cet échec constant.

      Valorisation du Ratage : Le titre de son exposition, "besides the point" (hors sujet), est une "invitation au ratage joyeux".

      Elle considère que si l'on accepte le ratage non comme un échec mais comme un "potentiel créatif", la réussite prend une tout autre signification.

      Le Paradoxe de la Maîtrise : Son succès à transformer l'échec en art l'a conduite à un paradoxe : "j'ai tellement récupéré l'échec que même si j'essaie d'échouer [...] je ne peux pas".

      Un véritable ratage de sa part serait interprété par le public comme une démarche intentionnelle.

      2. L'Échec comme Crise Personnelle et Voie de Reconstruction

      Le témoignage de l'auteur Alexander Crutfelt illustre la dimension dévastatrice de l'échec personnel et social, mais aussi son potentiel de reconstruction et de lucidité.

      Le Récit de l'Effondrement

      Le projet de rénovation d'une ferme familiale se transforme en cauchemar, menant à une cascade de faillites :

      Échec Matériel : Le toit de la maison s'effondre, le projet de rénovation est interdit, et la propriété finit par être une "maison hantée" qui "détruit une famille".

      Échec Financier : Il accumule une "dette à six chiffres" et doit déclarer une "faillite personnelle".

      Échec Familial : Le couple se sépare, et il décrit le moment où il a dû annoncer son départ à ses enfants comme la "pire horreur de [sa] vie" et le "moment culminant de l'échec".

      La Dimension Sociale et la Libération par la Parole

      L'échec de Crutfelt met en lumière la pression sociale et le pouvoir de la vulnérabilité.

      Le Poids du Regard Social : Il ressent l'échec "aux yeux de la société" axée sur la performance, qui le marginalise.

      Il prend conscience que, contrairement à ce qu'il pensait, il n'est pas indifférent à "ce que les autres pensaient de [lui]". Il critique l'illusion de perfection véhiculée par les réseaux sociaux comme Instagram.

      La Vertu du Partage : En écrivant sur son expérience et en en parlant publiquement, il découvre qu'il n'est pas seul. Son récit incite d'autres personnes à partager leurs propres échecs, créant un sentiment de connexion et de validation mutuelle.

      La Gratitude Paradoxale et le "Luxe d'Échouer"

      Malgré la douleur, l'échec a été une expérience profondément transformatrice pour Crutfelt.

      Libération du "Moi Antérieur" : Il se dit "reconnaissant à la maison de s'être écroulée", car "sans cet échec, je ne serai jamais sorti de mon ancien moi". Cela lui a permis de vivre dans le présent et de trouver le bonheur dans une vie plus simple.

      La Conscience du Privilège : Il reconnaît qu'échouer et se relever est un "immense luxe".

      Il a bénéficié du soutien de sa famille, d'un thérapeute et de l'État-providence, ce qui lui a permis "d'atterrir sur un doux édredon".

      Il oppose sa situation à celle des "personnes qui n'ont aucune chance de se retrouver dans la situation d'un possible échec parce qu'elles ne peuvent tout simplement pas tomber plus bas".

      3. L'Échec comme Méthodologie d'Innovation et de Cohésion Sociale

      Le projet du "Bosk" à Leeuwarden, mené par un duo de designers, illustre comment l'acceptation de l'échec et de l'imperfection peut devenir une méthode de travail productive et un vecteur de lien social.

      Un Projet Ancré dans un Échec Historique

      Le projet prend racine dans l'histoire de la ville, symbolisée par la tour Oldehove, une cathédrale dont la construction a "magnifiquement échoué" il y a 500 ans en s'enfonçant dans le sol.

      Le "Bosk" se propose de "finir la cathédrale" non pas architecturalement, mais comme un "projet social" temporaire de 100 jours.

      L'Acceptation de l'Imperfection dans le Processus

      Les designers critiquent la culture néerlandaise qui, par excès de planification, cherche à "se préserver de l'échec".

      Leur approche consiste à tester les projets publiquement, comme une "maquette grandeur nature", et à s'adapter aux imprévus.

      Problème / Échec Rencontré

      Solution / Adaptation

      Résultat

      Les voiles de bateau frison ne passent pas le test de sécurité incendie.

      Utilisation de toile de vieux ballons à air chaud.

      Le rendu est "plus coloré" et "convient bien mieux au projet".

      Les fragments de ballon ne pendent pas en triangles géométriques parfaits comme prévu.

      Ils décident de "continuer et on verra ce qui va se passer".

      L'imperfection est acceptée comme une part inévitable de la réalisation.

      Ils affirment : "quand on essaie de traduire [un plan] en une image réelle, on échoue forcément".

      Le Succès par le Lien Social

      Le véritable succès du projet ne réside pas dans la perfection de la structure, mais dans son impact humain.

      La maison communautaire est "vraiment devenue la maison des gens d'ici".

      Le plus beau retour qu'ils aient reçu est que des gens "se sont fait de nouveaux amis".

      La valeur du projet, qui sera démantelé, "restera dans le cœur et dans l'âme des gens".

    1. Analyse de l'Échec : De la Stigmatisation à l'Outil d'Apprentissage

      Résumé

      Ce document de synthèse analyse la nature complexe de l'échec, en s'appuyant sur des perspectives neurobiologiques, sociologiques, scientifiques et pédagogiques.

      Bien que socialement stigmatisé et perçu comme une menace déclenchant une réponse de stress primitive, l'échec est présenté comme un mécanisme fondamental, inévitable et essentiel à l'apprentissage, à l'innovation et à l'évolution.

      L'analyse révèle que l'attitude adoptée face à un revers est plus déterminante que l'échec lui-même.

      Des stratégies comme la résilience, l'optimisme réaliste et l'acceptation des émotions sont cruciales pour transformer une déconvenue en une opportunité de croissance.

      Le concept d' "échec productif", développé par le chercheur Manu Kapour, propose même de provoquer délibérément l'échec dans un cadre contrôlé pour améliorer significativement la profondeur et la flexibilité de l'apprentissage.

      En définitive, l'échec n'est pas une fin en soi mais une négociation avec soi-même et le monde, un puissant moteur de changement dont la valeur dépend de notre capacité à l'analyser, à en tirer des leçons et à oser le regarder en face.

      1. La Perception Sociale et la Réponse Neurobiologique à l'Échec

      La société contemporaine, décrite comme une "société de performance", juge les individus à l'aune de leur succès, ce qui rend l'échec tabou et stigmatisé.

      Cette pression culturelle inculque l'idée que l'échec est intrinsèquement négatif, ce qui peut ébranler la confiance en soi et générer une panique à sa simple perspective.

      Réponse Cérébrale et Psychologique :

      Activation de l'Amygdale : Face à un échec, le cerveau déclenche une réaction de peur et de stress.

      L'amygdale, une structure cérébrale impliquée dans les émotions, s'active automatiquement, envoyant un signal de danger. Ce mécanisme est un héritage de l'évolution, datant de l'époque où une erreur pouvait être fatale.

      Court-circuit du Cortex Préfrontal : Dans un premier temps, le circuit neuronal menant à l'amygdale est plus rapide que celui qui achemine l'information au cortex préfrontal.

      Ce dernier, responsable de l'analyse cognitive et de la régulation des réactions, est donc "court-circuité". Il en résulte une réaction initiale souvent explosive et disproportionnée.

      Pensées Catastrophiques : La réaction émotionnelle (peur, angoisse) et la réaction cognitive s'influencent mutuellement.

      Après un revers, comme un entretien d'embauche raté, les peurs peuvent tourner en boucle, menant à des "pensées catastrophiques" (ex: "je suis un incapable", "je finirai à la rue"). Même le cortex préfrontal, censé modérer la peur, peut alors s'emballer.

      2. L'Échec comme Moteur d'Apprentissage et d'Adaptation

      Malgré la réaction négative qu'il provoque, l'échec est un mécanisme d'apprentissage fondamental. L'être humain est décrit comme une "machine conçue pour s'adapter et pour apprendre".

      Chaque échec pousse à un changement et ancre une expérience dans la mémoire.

      Stratégies d'Adaptation :

      Adaptatives : Stratégies utiles qui permettent de faire face activement au problème et d'en tirer des leçons.

      Maladaptatives : Mécanismes qui apportent un soulagement momentané mais sont nocifs sur le long terme. Exemples : détourner son attention par l'alcool ou la nicotine, se replier sur soi-même.

      L'attitude face à l'échec est donc aussi déterminante que l'échec lui-même, car les réactions répétées créent de nouveaux automatismes cérébraux.

      L'Inévitabilité de l'Échec dans la Nature :

      Prédateurs : Les super prédateurs échouent à attraper une proie dans 75% de leurs tentatives. L'échec est banal et fait partie intégrante de leur stratégie de survie.

      Évolution : Plus de 99,9% des espèces ayant existé sur Terre ont disparu. Ce processus, vu comme une succession d'échecs, est pourtant le mécanisme qui a permis de créer la diversité biologique actuelle.

      3. Le Rôle Fondamental de l'Échec dans la Science et l'Innovation

      Le progrès scientifique est rarement une avancée rectiligne. Il est le plus souvent le fruit d'un processus de tâtonnement, où l'échec joue un rôle primordial.

      Exemples de Découvertes Issues d'Échecs ou d'Accidents : | Découverte | Inventeur(s) | Contexte initial | | :--- | :--- | :--- | | Pénicilline | Alexander Fleming | Oubli de ranger son bureau, menant à la contamination d'une culture bactérienne. | | Porcelaine | Alchimistes allemands | Tentative infructueuse de fabriquer de l'or. | | Fond Diffus Cosmologique | Wilson et Penzias | Un "bruit de fond" persistant, d'abord considéré comme une interférence ou un défaut de leur radiotélescope, s'est révélé être la première preuve de la théorie du Big Bang, leur valant un prix Nobel. |

      Concepts Clés :

      Méthode Essai-Erreur : Cette approche est intégrante au progrès scientifique et apporte des enseignements précieux.

      L'Entropie comme Métaphore : Le deuxième principe de la thermodynamique stipule que l'entropie (le désordre) d'un système ne peut qu'augmenter.

      Ce chaos, cet "échec de l'ordre", est présenté comme une source d'innovation, car il offre un nombre infini de nouvelles possibilités qui n'existaient pas dans un état parfaitement ordonné.

      Publication des Résultats Négatifs : La non-publication des résultats négatifs en science est qualifiée de "terrible erreur".

      Un échec expérimental est productif car il permet de découvrir "quelque chose qu'on ignorait ignorer".

      Des initiatives comme le Journal of Unsolved Questions cherchent à valoriser ces expériences ratées.

      4. Stratégies pour Gérer l'Échec : Résilience et Optimisme Réaliste

      La manière de gérer l'échec est cruciale, car une mauvaise approche peut aggraver la situation.

      Le Danger de l'Optimisme Irréaliste : L'exemple du Fire Festival illustre les conséquences désastreuses d'un déni de la réalité.

      L'organisateur, Billy McFarland, a persisté malgré des problèmes insurmontables, transformant son projet en un fiasco et finissant en prison pour fraude.

      L'Importance de l'Optimisme Réaliste : Cette attitude consiste à prendre la situation au sérieux, à analyser les raisons de l'échec et à accepter sa part de responsabilité sans se décourager, afin d'entrevoir de meilleures solutions.

      La Résilience : La recherche sur la résilience étudie les stratégies permettant de mieux faire face aux revers. Inspirées des thérapies comportementales et cognitives, elles visent à remplacer les automatismes dysfonctionnels par des stratégies saines.

      Composantes Clés :

      1. Régulation des émotions : Accepter de ressentir le stress ou la peur aide paradoxalement à s'en délivrer.    

      1. Proactivité : Être convaincu de pouvoir surmonter l'adversité.    

      2. Appréciation Positive : Tendance à voir les situations menaçantes sous un angle plus positif, sans perdre le lien avec la réalité.

      Facteurs d'Influence : Des facteurs comme l'éducation, un environnement sûr et des liens sociaux forts favorisent la résilience.

      Cependant, des personnes ayant subi de nombreux coups durs peuvent développer une grande capacité d'adaptation, bien que cela puisse avoir un coût physiologique (stress chronique, vieillissement cellulaire accéléré).

      5. L'Échec Productif : Une Approche Pédagogique Révolutionnaire

      Le chercheur Manu Kapour a développé une approche pédagogique consistant à programmer l'échec dans un cadre sécurisé et à faible enjeu pour en faire un puissant outil d'apprentissage.

      Les "4 A" de l'Apprentissage par l'Échec Productif :

      1. Activation : L'échec active les connaissances préexistantes pertinentes de l'étudiant. Plus l'échec est important, plus le "filet de connaissances" s'agrandit.

      2. Acceptation : L'étudiant accepte l'écart entre ce qu'il sait et ce qu'il doit savoir.

      3. Affect : L'acceptation de cet écart crée une motivation, une envie de trouver la bonne solution.

      4. Assemblage : Un expert (professeur) intervient pour aider l'étudiant à assembler les connaissances et à comprendre comment elles s'articulent.

      Des études comparatives montrent que les étudiants formés avec cette méthode obtiennent de meilleurs résultats et développent une compréhension plus flexible et profonde des concepts que ceux ayant suivi un enseignement classique par instruction directe.

      6. La Revalorisation Culturelle de l'Échec et ses Limites

      Une tendance culturelle récente semble valoriser l'échec.

      Exemples : Le Musée de l'Échec, qui expose de grands flops commerciaux, ou les Fuck Up Nights, des soirées où des entrepreneurs racontent leurs ratages professionnels.

      Cette tendance crée cependant une nouvelle pression : celle de "réussir ses ratages".

      Il est rappelé qu'avant d'être une leçon ou une anecdote, un échec est d'abord une "blessure financière, émotionnelle, sociale" et un retour à une "dure et douloureuse réalité".

      Conclusion : Redéfinir l'Échec

      L'échec n'est pas une vérité absolue mais une "négociation avec soi et avec le monde".

      C'est l'individu qui détermine si une expérience constitue un échec, et cette évaluation peut évoluer.

      La question fondamentale n'est pas d'éviter l'échec, mais de savoir comment y réagir.

      Apprendre à "échouer correctement" est la clé pour ne pas "échouer à apprendre".

      En osant le regarder en face, l'échec, bien que rarement reluisant, se révèle être une expérience enrichissante et un puissant moteur de changement.

    1. Synthèse du Stream React : "Pédocriminalité, les failles d'Instagram"

      Résumé

      Ce document de synthèse analyse les points clés de la discussion tenue sur la chaîne Twitch d'ARTE, centrée sur le documentaire du magazine "Source" intitulé "Pédocriminalité, les failles d'Instagram".

      L'échange, réunissant les journalistes Maeva Poulet et Valentin Petit et la chargée de plaidoyer Églantine Camille de l'association Caméléon, révèle que des réseaux pédocriminels opèrent de manière visible et organisée sur des plateformes grand public comme Instagram, déconstruisant l'idée que ces activités sont confinées au Dark Web.

      L'enquête, menée via des techniques de journalisme en source ouverte (OSINT), a mis en lumière des failles critiques dans les mécanismes d'Instagram : une modération opaque et souvent inefficace, et un algorithme qui, au lieu de protéger, peut activement recommander des contenus dangereux, créant une boucle perverse pour les prédateurs.

      L'analyse démontre que les photos d'enfants, même les plus anodines partagées par les parents, sont systématiquement détournées.

      Face à ce phénomène, les associations insistent sur la prévention et la responsabilisation des plateformes, tandis que les journalistes et professionnels exposés à ces contenus doivent mettre en place des protocoles stricts pour leur protection psychologique.

      1. L'Enquête du Magazine "Source" : Méthodologie et Démarche

      L'investigation du magazine "Source" se distingue par son approche méthodologique rigoureuse et transparente, ancrée dans les techniques du journalisme en source ouverte.

      Le Journalisme d'Investigation en Source Ouverte (OSINT)

      L'OSINT, ou Open Source Intelligence, est au cœur de la méthode d'enquête.

      Valentin Petit la définit comme une "enquête qui est faite à partir de sources, donc de documents, de données, etc., qu'on peut trouver ouvertement sur les réseaux sociaux, sur Internet".

      Cette approche ne nécessite pas de sources confidentielles mais repose sur des compétences techniques pour exploiter les traces laissées en ligne.

      Les techniques employées incluent :

      • • La géolocalisation d'images.

      • • L'analyse de données de masse.

      • • L'exploration des réseaux sociaux et l'utilisation d'images satellites.

      • • La recherche d'image inversée pour identifier l'origine de photos de profil.

      • • L'analyse de réseaux sociaux (SNA) pour cartographier les connexions entre les comptes.

      L'émission "Source" a pour particularité d'expliquer sa méthode en même temps qu'elle expose les résultats de son investigation, offrant ainsi une double lecture sur le sujet traité et les techniques journalistiques.

      Origine et Mise en Place de l'Enquête

      L'enquête a été initiée suite à la découverte par les journalistes d'une série de "mise en accusation du groupe méta" aux États-Unis pour manquement à la protection des mineurs.

      Cette information a servi de point de départ pour vérifier si le problème était constatable par un utilisateur lambda sur la plateforme.

      Pour ce faire, les journalistes ont créé un "compte d'enquête" anonyme sur Instagram ("Max, 23 ans") sans publier aucun contenu.

      L'objectif était de répondre à plusieurs questions fondamentales :

      • • Peut-on trouver facilement des contenus problématiques ?

      • • La modération de la plateforme est-elle suffisante ?

      • • Comment l'algorithme réagit-il à un intérêt pour ce type de contenus ?

      2. Le Fonctionnement des Réseaux Pédocriminels sur Instagram

      L'enquête révèle que, loin d'être cachés, les réseaux pédocriminels prospèrent au vu et au su de tous sur Instagram, utilisant la plateforme comme une vitrine pour attirer des acheteurs et organiser leurs activités.

      Stratégies de Dissimulation et de Recrutement

      Les prédateurs emploient diverses tactiques pour contourner les filtres de modération et se retrouver entre eux :

      Mots-clés anodins : Ils utilisent des mots-clés apparemment inoffensifs comme "sport boys" pour trouver des comptes agrégeant des photos d'enfants, souvent dans des contextes sportifs (gymnastique, water-polo) où les tenues sont légères.

      Langage codé : Dans les hashtags et les commentaires, ils utilisent des codes spécifiques, comme le "leet speak" (remplacement de lettres par des chiffres), pour éviter la détection automatique.

      Comptes "vitrines" : Des comptes publics sont utilisés pour republier des photos et vidéos d'enfants, souvent volées sur les profils de leurs parents.

      Les commentaires laissés sous ces publications, d'une "incroyable obscénité" ("quelle petite délice", "une belle petite fente"), servent de signaux entre prédateurs pour se reconnaître et indiquer la disponibilité de contenus illégaux.

      Faux comptes de mineurs : Les journalistes ont identifié au moins 15 comptes francophones se faisant passer pour des adolescentes.

      Ces profils volent des photos et vidéos sur les comptes réels de mineurs (sur Instagram ou TikTok) pour se donner une apparence de crédibilité.

      D'Instagram à Telegram : Le Commerce d'Images Illégales

      Instagram sert de porte d'entrée vers des plateformes de messagerie cryptée comme Telegram, où le commerce d'images et de vidéos pédocriminelles a lieu.

      • Les "comptes vitrines" et les faux comptes de mineurs incluent des liens vers des groupes Telegram dans leur biographie, leurs publications ou leurs stories.

      • Dans ces groupes, des "packs" sont proposés à la vente, classés par âge ("un pack 4-12 ans").

      Les prix sont relativement bas (ex: "300 photos + 50 vidéos 50 €"), ce qui, selon les enquêteurs, "refléterait la grande quantité d'images existantes".

      • Les vendeurs partagent des "preuves de vente" (captures d'écran de transactions) pour attester de la fiabilité de leur commerce.

      3. Les Failles Critiques de la Plateforme Meta

      L'enquête met en évidence une défaillance systémique d'Instagram, tant au niveau de sa modération humaine et automatisée que de son algorithme de recommandation.

      Une Modération Opaque et Inefficace

      Le processus de modération d'Instagram apparaît défaillant et incohérent.

      Exemple du compte "Arba" : Ce compte, avec près de 40 000 abonnés, publiait des images de petites filles et se vantait de son impunité ("les rageux peuvent continuer à me signaler, je gagne à chaque fois").

      Un premier signalement des journalistes a été rejeté par Instagram, qui a conclu que le compte "ne va pas à l'encontre de nos règles de la communauté".

      Ce n'est qu'après une demande de réexamen que la plateforme a fait "volte-face" et supprimé le compte, invoquant une "erreur".

      Sentiment d'impunité : Les journalistes ont constaté que de nombreux commentaires obscènes étaient postés depuis des comptes personnels non anonymisés, où les auteurs se mettent en scène avec leurs propres enfants ou petits-enfants, illustrant un sentiment total d'impunité.

      Création continue de nouveaux comptes : Bien que Meta supprime certains comptes, de nouveaux profils "exactement similaires" et utilisant les "mêmes codes" sont créés quotidiennement, rendant les efforts de la plateforme "insuffisants".

      L'Algorithme : Un Puissant Facilitateur

      L'un des constats les plus alarmants de l'enquête est le rôle actif de l'algorithme d'Instagram dans la promotion de contenus dangereux.

      • Après deux mois d'enquête, le compte "Max, 23 ans" a commencé à recevoir des recommandations quasi-exclusivement composées de contenus problématiques.

      Onglet "Découverte" et "Reels" : L'algorithme ne proposait plus des photos de vie de famille, mais des vidéos "d'enfants qui dansent", "d'enfants dont on voit les sous-vêtements", ou "d'enfants qui sont en maillot de bain", des contenus jugés "très suggestifs".

      Onglet "Suggestions" : La plateforme a directement suggéré de suivre des comptes ouvertement pédocriminels, dont un publiant des images "camouflées de jeunes garçons en train de se masturber".

      Conséquence : Les prédateurs n'ont "même plus à faire l'effort de rechercher du contenu, le contenu est offert à eux", ce qu'Églantine Camille qualifie de "mise à disposition du corps des enfants" qui est "redoublée" et "servi sur un plateau".

      La Position de Meta et les Poursuites Judiciaires

      Interrogée par les journalistes, Meta a fourni une réponse vague, affirmant développer des technologies pour "débusquer ces prédateurs" et avoir supprimé "une grande majorité des comptes identifiés" avant même le signalement.

      Cependant, l'entreprise fait l'objet de poursuites judiciaires, notamment une plainte de l'État du Nouveau-Mexique en décembre 2023, l'accusant d'être un "vivier pour les prédateurs sexuels" et de faire passer "leur profit avant la sécurité des enfants".

      Un ancien ingénieur de Meta, Arturo Béjar, a également témoigné devant le Sénat américain des manquements de la plateforme.

      4. Prévention, Risques et Actions Citoyennes

      La discussion a largement porté sur les mesures de prévention et la responsabilité collective face à ce phénomène.

      Le Risque du Partage de Photos d'Enfants ("Sharenting")

      Églantine Camille de l'association Caméléon a souligné un fait crucial : toute photo d'enfant postée publiquement est susceptible d'être récupérée.

      Contenus "autoproduits" : En 2022, 50 % des contenus échangés sur les forums pédocriminels étaient "autoproduits", c'est-à-dire créés par l'enfant lui-même ou postés par son entourage.

      Détournement de photos anodines : Une simple photo de classe ou de vacances peut "devenir l'objet d'un fantasme".

      Risque en cercle privé : Partager des photos en privé n'élimine pas le risque, car "les premiers agresseurs c'est des membres de l'entourage".

      Conseils de prévention : L'association préconise de s'interroger sur la nécessité de partager, et d'utiliser des techniques comme l'ajout d'un émoji sur le visage ou la prise de vue de dos.

      Le Rôle des Associations et l'Appel à l'Action

      Les associations comme Caméléon jouent un rôle essentiel sur plusieurs fronts :

      Prévention : Elles interviennent directement auprès des enfants, des parents et des pouvoirs publics pour sensibiliser et faire évoluer les lois. Leur campagne "Merci" visait à choquer pour faire prendre conscience des risques du partage de photos.

      Plaidoyer : Elles militent pour que les plateformes deviennent "volontaires et proactives" dans la lutte, en intégrant la sécurité ("Trust and Safety") dès la conception de leurs produits et pas seulement en réaction.

      Signalement : Tous les intervenants ont insisté sur l'importance pour les citoyens de signaler systématiquement tout contenu illégal à la plateforme Pharos, le portail officiel du gouvernement français.

      5. L'Impact Psychologique sur les Enquêteurs et les Modérateurs

      La confrontation à des contenus d'une extrême violence a un coût psychologique important pour les professionnels qui y sont exposés.

      Protocoles de protection : Les journalistes ont mis en place une méthodologie pour se protéger :

      • ◦ Discussions régulières au sein de l'équipe.  
      • ◦ Consultation d'associations spécialisées.  
      • ◦ Signalement systématique des contenus à Pharos et Instagram pour agir concrètement.  
      • ◦ Mise en place de "sanctuaires" : horaires de travail limités, éviter de consulter ces contenus la nuit ou à domicile.  
      • ◦ Utilisation de techniques de distanciation (ex: mettre/retirer ses lunettes).

      Risque de normalisation : Un danger identifié est la "normalisation de ces contenus", qui peut mener à une désensibilisation ou, chez les plus jeunes, à une recherche de contenus de plus en plus violents.

      Ce risque concerne autant les journalistes que les équipes de modération des plateformes.

    1. Les Failles d'Instagram face à la Pédocriminalité : Synthèse d'Enquête

      Résumé

      Une enquête approfondie révèle de graves défaillances sur Instagram, qui permettent à des réseaux pédocriminels de prospérer sur la plateforme.

      Malgré des mesures de protection superficielles, le réseau social est utilisé comme une plaque tournante pour le vol d'images d'enfants, le réseautage entre prédateurs et la vente directe de contenus d'abus sexuels.

      L'enquête démontre que les systèmes de modération d'Instagram sont incohérents et facilement contournés.

      De manière plus alarmante, l'algorithme de recommandation de la plateforme, au lieu de protéger les utilisateurs, peut activement proposer des contenus pédocriminels aux profils manifestant un intérêt pour ce type de matériel.

      Face à ces révélations, la réponse de la société mère, Meta, est jugée insuffisante, alors même qu'elle fait l'objet de poursuites judiciaires aux États-Unis l'accusant de faire passer ses profits avant la sécurité des enfants.

      Principales Conclusions de l'Enquête

      1. Des Mécanismes de Protection Facilement Contournés

      L'enquête a débuté par la création d'un profil anonyme ("Max, 23 ans") pour explorer les mesures de sécurité de la plateforme.

      Blocage des mots-clés évidents : Instagram bloque les recherches explicites comme "sexy kids", affichant un avertissement sur l'abus sexuel d'enfants.

      Prolifération via des termes anodins : Cependant, en utilisant des mots-clés plus neutres comme "sport boys", les enquêteurs ont facilement trouvé une multitude de comptes problématiques.

      Ces comptes, aux noms évocateurs ("Hot Boys", "bikini young kids", "boys for you"), publient quotidiennement des photos et vidéos volées de mineurs, souvent dans des poses suggestives.

      Exemple du compte "Arba" : Un compte nommé "Arba", avec près de 40 000 abonnés, publiait exclusivement des images volées de petites filles. Il citait même les comptes sources et ses publications attiraient des commentaires ouvertement pédophiles comme : "absolument sexy j'aimerais bien la remplir" ou "délicieux je veux la bouffer".

      Le titulaire du compte se vantait de son impunité : "les haineux peuvent continuer à me signaler je gagne à chaque fois je ne publie rien d'inapproprié".

      2. Une Modération Inefficace et Incohérente

      Le système de signalement d'Instagram s'est avéré défaillant et contradictoire lors de tests pratiques.

      Premier signalement ignoré : Les enquêteurs ont signalé le compte "Arba" pour "nudité ou acte sexuel impliquant un enfant". Après 24 heures, la réponse d'Instagram a été que le compte "ne va pas à l'encontre de nos règles de la communauté".

      Volte-face après réexamen : Face à cette réponse, une demande de réexamen a été effectuée.

      De manière surprenante, Instagram a changé sa décision, supprimé le compte et admis son erreur : "nous avons réexaminé le compte de Arba et nous l'avons supprimé merci de nous avoir informé de notre erreur".

      Conséquences pour les victimes : Cette incohérence démontre une faille majeure dans les processus de modération, laissant des contenus dangereux en ligne et exposant les mineurs à des risques.

      3. Instagram comme Plaque Tournante pour les Réseaux Pédocriminels

      L'enquête révèle qu'au-delà de la simple exposition, Instagram est une plateforme active pour l'organisation et la commercialisation de contenus pédocriminels.

      Lieu de réseautage : Selon An Ggender, d'une organisation britannique de protection de l'enfance, ces comptes servent de point de ralliement pour les prédateurs.

      Ils y partagent des images pour "signaler à d'autres délinquants leur intérêt pour les enfants" et s'orienter mutuellement vers des plateformes où des contenus plus extrêmes sont accessibles.

      Vente directe sur la plateforme : Des comptes se présentant comme des adolescentes, tel que celui de "Nina" (prétendument 13 ans), proposent ouvertement des packs d'images et de vidéos à caractère sexuel : "300 photos plus 50 vidéos pour 50 €".

      L'enquête a révélé que les photos de "Nina" étaient volées à une véritable adolescente française de 14 ans. Au moins 15 comptes similaires francophones ont été identifiés.

      Utilisation de messageries cryptées : Ces comptes Instagram servent de vitrine et renvoient systématiquement vers des groupes sur l'application de messagerie cryptée Telegram pour finaliser les transactions.

      Organisation de la vente sur Telegram : Dans ces groupes Telegram, les contenus sont classés par âge ("pack 13-17 ans", "pack 4-12 ans") et vendus à bas prix (20 € pour plusieurs centaines de vidéos), ce qui suggère un volume très important de matériel disponible.

      Les vendeurs fournissent des aperçus montrant des vignettes de vidéos d'abus sexuels, parfois très violents.

      Identification des acheteurs : Certains vendeurs publient des preuves de vente, incluant les pseudonymes des acheteurs.

      Les enquêteurs ont retrouvé deux de ces acheteurs sur Instagram, confirmant qu'ils suivaient bien les comptes des vendeurs identifiés.

      Ampleur du phénomène

      L'enquête a permis de quantifier l'étendue de ces réseaux :

      Réseaux francophones : Au moins 15 comptes Instagram identifiés.

      Réseaux internationaux : Des centaines de profils anonymes, utilisant souvent l'acronyme "CP" ("Child Pornography"), ont été découverts lors de recherches en anglais.

      Analyse à grande échelle : L'analyse de 1000 de ces comptes "CP" a montré qu'ils renvoyaient vers près de 300 groupes Telegram distincts dédiés à la vente d'images illégales.

      4. Le Rôle Complice de l'Algorithme de Recommandation

      L'une des découvertes les plus inquiétantes est que l'algorithme d'Instagram, loin de contrer ces activités, les facilite activement.

      Après deux mois passés à suivre des comptes problématiques dans le cadre de l'enquête, l'algorithme a commencé à proposer de manière proactive des contenus similaires au profil "Max".

      Onglet "Découverte" : Cet onglet ne présentait presque plus que des contenus mettant en scène de très jeunes enfants.

      Onglet "Reels" : Le flux de vidéos proposait quasi exclusivement des mineurs qui dansent, s'embrassent ou se dénudent.

      Onglet "Suggestions" : L'algorithme a suggéré de suivre des comptes extrêmement problématiques, notamment :

      ◦ Un compte rassemblant des photos de jeunes garçons avec des commentaires tels que "je veux les violer".    ◦ Un autre compte publiant des images camouflées de jeunes garçons en train de se masturber.

      L'algorithme a donc cessé d'être un outil passif pour devenir un moteur de proposition actif, rendant la recherche de contenus pédocriminels superflue.

      Ce constat est corroboré par le témoignage d'Arturo Béjar, un lanceur d'alerte et ancien ingénieur de Meta, qui a dénoncé devant le Sénat américain les manquements de la plateforme en matière de protection des mineurs.

      5. Réponse d'Instagram et Contexte Juridique

      Interrogée sur les résultats de l'enquête, l'entreprise a fourni une réponse via son agence de communication.

      Déclaration officielle : _"L'exploitation des enfants est un crime terrible [...] c'est pourquoi nous développons des technologies pour débusquer ces prédateurs [...]

      Dans le cadre de nos efforts continus pour faire respecter la législation, nous avons supprimé une grande majorité des comptes identifiés par Arte avant même qu'ils ne nous soient signalés."_

      Une action insuffisante : La mention d'une "grande majorité" implique que certains comptes n'ont pas été supprimés.

      De plus, l'enquête a montré que bien que 30 des 32 comptes d'un réseau aient été supprimés par Instagram, les deux restants ont continué leurs activités pendant au moins deux semaines, et de nouveaux comptes sont créés quotidiennement.

      Poursuites judiciaires : Le groupe Meta fait face à des actions en justice aux États-Unis. En décembre 2023, l'État du Nouveau-Mexique a porté plainte, accusant l'entreprise d'être un "vivier pour les prédateurs sexuels" et de faire passer "leur profit avant la sécurité des enfants".

    1. Wednesdays : Synthèse et Analyse Approfondie

      Résumé Exécutif

      Ce document présente une analyse détaillée du jeu vidéo Wednesdays, coédité et coproduit par Arte, sorti le 26 mars 2025 sur PC (Steam et Itch.io).

      Conçu par l'auteur et directeur créatif Pierre et l'illustratrice Exaeva, ce jeu narratif aborde les thématiques complexes et sensibles de l'inceste, de la pédocriminalité et des violences intrafamiliales.

      Malgré la dureté des sujets, le jeu adopte un ton qualifié de "lumineux et bienveillant".

      D'une durée moyenne de deux heures, Wednesdays se distingue par une direction artistique unique, inspirée de la bande dessinée indépendante, où les personnages victimes sont représentés avec des têtes cubiques.

      Un pilier central du projet est son accessibilité, pensée à la fois pour les non-joueurs et les personnes en situation de handicap, avec un travail approfondi sur la lisibilité des couleurs et des mécaniques de jeu simplifiées.

      Le développement, mené par une petite équipe de sept personnes travaillant à distance, a été marqué par des choix créatifs forts, notamment la création de l'espace de décompression "Orcopark" et une conception sonore immersive qui pallie l'absence de doublage.

      Wednesdays se positionne comme une œuvre cherchant à libérer la parole et à utiliser le médium du jeu vidéo comme un outil de prise de conscience et d'écoute.

      I. Présentation du Jeu "Wednesdays"

      A. Concept et Thématiques Abordées

      Wednesdays est un jeu vidéo narratif qui plonge le joueur dans les souvenirs fragmentés de Timothé, un personnage victime d'inceste.

      Le but est de reconstituer son histoire en explorant différentes scènes de sa vie, de l'enfance à l'âge adulte. Le jeu traite frontalement de sujets difficiles comme la pédocriminalité et les violences intrafamiliales.

      Malgré la gravité de ces thèmes, la démarche des créateurs est de proposer une expérience "lumineuse et bienveillante".

      L'approche narrative et visuelle évite toute représentation graphique de la violence, privilégiant la suggestion, la pédagogie et l'émotion.

      Des avertissements de contenu (trigger warnings) sont intégrés directement dans le jeu pour permettre aux joueurs de se préserver.

      B. Équipe de Développement et Édition

      Le jeu est le fruit d'une collaboration entre plusieurs talents de la scène indépendante, sous l'égide d'Arte qui coproduit et coédite des jeux vidéo depuis plus de dix ans.

      Membre

      Rôle

      Contributions Notables

      Pierre

      Auteur et Directeur Créatif

      Conception du projet, écriture du scénario et des dialogues.

      Exaeva

      Illustratrice

      Création de toute la direction artistique, des personnages et des décors.

      Virginia

      Sound Designer

      Conception de l'univers sonore, incluant les gimmicks sonores des personnages.

      Florent Morin (The Pixel Hunt)

      Éditeur

      Accompagnement du projet, gestion administrative, conseils créatifs.

      Chris

      Programmeur

      Développement technique, lui-même concerné par le sujet du jeu.

      Nico Novac

      Artiste Pixel Art

      Création des visuels pour la section "Orcopark".

      Dianne

      Programmeuse (renfort)

      Aide à la programmation sur des aspects spécifiques du jeu.

      L'équipe principale de sept personnes a travaillé majoritairement à distance via Discord, sans réunions formelles, démontrant une grande autonomie de chaque membre.

      C. Données Clés

      Caractéristique

      Détail

      Date de sortie

      26 mars 2025

      Plateformes

      PC (via Steam et Itch.io)

      Durée de jeu moyenne

      Environ 2 heures à 2 heures 30

      Genre

      Jeu narratif, Bande dessinée interactive

      II. Direction Artistique et Conception Visuelle

      A. Un Style "Bande Dessinée Interactive"

      La direction artistique de Wednesdays est l'un de ses aspects les plus marquants. Elle s'inspire fortement de la bande dessinée indépendante franco-belge et américaine, avec des références citées comme Frédéric Peeters, Craig Thompson et Tillie Walden.

      Le processus de création est traditionnel et méticuleux :

      1. Dessin sur papier : Exaeva réalise tous les dessins des décors et des personnages sur papier, son support de prédilection. Les personnages sont dessinés sur des calques en papier "layout", un peu transparent, utilisé en animation traditionnelle.

      2. Numérisation : Tous les éléments graphiques sont ensuite scannés.

      3. Colorisation numérique : Les couleurs sont ajoutées digitalement, en respectant une technique de bichromie, qui consiste à utiliser principalement deux teintes dominantes par image pour créer des ambiances colorées et lumineuses spécifiques.

      Cette approche donne au jeu une texture unique, avec un aspect crayonné très personnel qui va à contre-courant des productions 3D ultra-réalistes.

      B. Le Symbolisme des "Têtes Cubiques"

      Un choix visuel central du jeu est la représentation des personnages victimes d'inceste avec des têtes cubiques. Cette idée, présente dès la genèse du projet, a plusieurs fonctions :

      Visibilité de l'invisible : Elle rend les victimes, souvent invisibles dans la société, immédiatement identifiables pour le joueur.

      Faciliter la projection : En s'appuyant sur les théories de Scott McCloud (L'Art invisible), un visage moins détaillé et réaliste permet au joueur de se projeter plus facilement dans le personnage.

      Défi artistique : Contrairement à l'idée initiale que cela simplifierait le travail, l'absence d'expressions faciales a représenté un défi majeur. Toute l'émotion des personnages doit être transmise par la corporalité, les postures et la gestuelle, ce qui a demandé un travail d'animation et de dessin très poussé.

      C. Processus Créatif et Influences

      La collaboration entre Pierre et Exaeva a été fondamentale. Pierre arrivait avec des idées de scènes, parfois sous forme de placeholders (visuels de substitution) très simples, et Exaeva les transformait en scènes complètes.

      De nombreuses décisions de mise en scène ont été prises lors de sessions de travail à Bruxelles, autour d'un verre. Le jeu alterne entre les scènes dessinées par Exaeva et l'univers en pixel art d'Orcopark, créant un contraste visuel fort.

      III. Conception Sonore et Narrative

      A. Sound Design sans Voice Acting

      Le jeu ne contient pas de dialogues parlés (voice acting), un choix justifié par le budget mais aussi par une volonté artistique.

      La sound designer Virginia a créé un univers sonore immersif basé sur des sons réalistes et des "gimmicks" sonores pour chaque personnage, tous liés à l'univers du papier et de l'écriture :

      Timothé : Bruit de machine à écrire.

      Les enfants : Bruits de Crayola ou de feutres.

      Joël (le père) : Son de stylo-plume.

      Fatia (l'institutrice) : Bruit de craie sur un tableau.

      Cette approche permet non seulement d'identifier auditivement qui parle, mais renforce aussi l'idée que l'histoire est en train de s'écrire ou de se reconstituer.

      B. La Libération de la Parole par le Gameplay

      La structure narrative et les mécaniques de jeu sont conçues pour servir le thème principal : la difficulté et les étapes de la libération de la parole.

      Souvenirs fragmentés : Le joueur peut choisir les souvenirs dans un ordre non linéaire, reflétant le processus non chronologique de la mémoire traumatique.

      Mécaniques de dialogue : Dans certaines scènes, comme celle de la voiture avec le personnage de Yeram, le gameplay joue avec les bulles de dialogue.

      Le joueur sélectionne une option, mais le personnage peine à la formuler, la phrase change ou est remplacée par des points de suspension.

      Cela représente la lutte interne pour verbaliser le trauma. Pierre note que près de 4% des bulles de dialogue du jeu sont des silences ("..."), soulignant l'importance de ce qui n'est pas dit.

      IV. L'Accessibilité : Un Pilier du Projet

      L'accessibilité a été une priorité dès le début du développement. L'objectif était double :

      1. Rendre le jeu jouable par des non-joueurs : Avec des contrôles simples et une interface claire.

      2. Inclure les personnes en situation de handicap.

      Pour y parvenir, l'équipe a collaboré avec Game Accessibility Hub, une société spécialisée. Des tests ont été menés avec des joueurs ayant différents handicaps.

      Un exemple marquant est celui d'un testeur achromate (qui ne voit aucune couleur).

      Il a trouvé le jeu parfaitement lisible et a même ressenti une différence dans la seule scène conçue en noir et blanc pur, validant ainsi l'efficacité des contrastes et de la direction artistique.

      Le travail sur les palettes de couleurs a été systématiquement testé à l'aide d'outils simulant différentes formes de daltonisme. Arte a soutenu cette démarche en allouant un budget supplémentaire dédié à l'accessibilité.

      V. Genèse et Coulisses de la Production

      A. D'un "One-Man Show" au Jeu Vidéo

      L'idée de Wednesdays est née de l'inspiration de Pierre après avoir vu L'Imposture, un spectacle de marionnettes de Lucie Arnodin.

      Fasciné par la capacité du spectacle à traiter de sujets graves avec légèreté et une narration éclatée, il a d'abord tenté d'écrire un one-man show sur le sujet.

      Après un retour mitigé d'un ami proche, il a abandonné cette idée pour se tourner vers un médium qu'il maîtrisait : le jeu vidéo, tout en conservant le ton et l'approche narrative du projet initial.

      B. Orcopark : L'Espace de Décompression

      L'interface de sélection des chapitres a connu une évolution significative. Le concept initial était un bureau sur lequel le joueur cliquait sur différents objets pour lancer les souvenirs. Jugée "un peu chiante" par Arte, cette idée a été remplacée par Orcopark, un parc d'attractions rétro en pixel art.

      Orcopark sert de hub central mais aussi d'espace "safe" pour le joueur.

      Entre des scènes émotionnellement intenses, il peut prendre le temps de se détendre, de ramasser des débris, de cliquer sur des éléments interactifs et de décorer son parc.

      Cet espace a été développé plus que prévu initialement, à l'encouragement d'Arte, pour renforcer son rôle de sas de décompression.

      C. Anecdotes de Développement

      Moustache le chat : Le chat Moustache a été ajouté dans une scène finale à la demande de Nil, le fils de Pierre.

      Joël, l'alter ego vieilli : Le design du personnage du père, Joël, est basé sur une version vieillie de l'auteur, Pierre.

      Figurine en argile : L'objet mystère de l'émission était une statuette en argile réalisée par la grand-mère de Pierre, qui a aussi servi de base pour une marionnette dans un autre de ses projets de jeu sur Game Boy Camera.

      VI. Réflexions sur l'Impact et la Réception

      A. Le Jeu Vidéo comme Média d'Écoute

      Les créateurs soulignent la position particulière de Wednesdays, un "OVNI" qui se situe à l'intersection du jeu vidéo et de l'œuvre culturelle. Cette position hybride pose des défis de réception :

      • Les journalistes spécialisés jeu vidéo peuvent être déroutés par un jeu qui ne correspond pas aux critères d'évaluation habituels (gameplay, durée de vie, etc.).

      • Les journalistes culturels généralistes peuvent être réticents en raison d'un mépris ou d'une méconnaissance du médium.

      Malgré cela, le jeu a reçu une bonne couverture en France et a trouvé son public.

      B. Un Outil pour la Prise de Conscience

      Le retour le plus gratifiant pour l'équipe vient des joueurs.

      De nombreux témoignages font état de l'impact positif du jeu, y compris de la part de personnes victimes qui se sont senties comprises ou qui ont eu des prises de conscience sur leur propre vécu en jouant.

      Le jeu semble ainsi atteindre son objectif : non seulement libérer la parole de son personnage, mais aussi potentiellement celle de ses joueurs, et sensibiliser l'entourage aux réalités de l'inceste.

    1. These are not big, challenging questions to ask, they’re just big, challenge questions to answer.

      I often find that the questions that are worth solving are the most complex to answer, but the problems that I'm most capable of solving are often very niche and specific usage scenarios (e.g. filtering emails into 3 separate buckets). So I think a big part of being creative is also knowing where to set your scopes & boundaries. Often times it's more effective to solve part of the problem than trying to tackle the whole (e.g. Tesla solved the entire EV infrastructure from production to charging & maintenance, but not all EV companies need to do that in order to be considered an effective solution).

    1. Ulster Nation. Viewed: 2003;* 26/7/04; 21/3/05; 21/9/05.

      Weird "third-way" Loyalism project -> Anti-Bush, Anti-war. Maybe still conservative? Last updated in 2007 so idk.

    1. Relationalpartners sometimes upset each other, and when not realizing they have done so,MRE increase the degree to which they become upset. In effect, a partner not onlycommitted an offensive behavior but violated the expectation that he=she shouldhave been aware of and sought amends for the offense. This heightened reactionincreases the likelihood that an individual will become combative toward their part-ner and use the silent treatment.

      I am wondering what impact a variable like "time-spent together/time spent knowing each other" might have on MRE.

    1. Novel transcript discovery

      Quote GPT: "Let’s break this down step by step and look carefully at the computational procedure they used, assessing both its strengths and weaknesses.


      What They Did Right

      1. Choice of Reference and Annotation

      2. They used hg38 as the reference genome and the GENCODE v39 comprehensive transcript annotation set.

      3. This is good practice, since hg38 is the current gold-standard reference, and GENCODE is the most complete and high-quality human transcript annotation resource.

      4. Tool for Isoform Discovery (IsoQuant v3.3.1)

      5. IsoQuant is designed for long-read transcriptome analysis and is well-suited to Oxford Nanopore data, which has unique error profiles compared to Illumina.

      6. They set -d nanopore, which ensures that IsoQuant applies the correct error model and alignment heuristics.

      7. Quality Control (SQANTI3)

      8. They validated the assembled transcript models with SQANTI3, which is one of the standard tools for assessing structural and quality metrics of novel isoforms (junction accuracy, coverage, splice motif analysis, etc.).

      9. This helps filter out false positives and adds confidence to reported novel isoforms.

      10. Quantification Strategy

      11. Using --gene quantification all and --transcript quantification all ensures they didn’t limit themselves to annotated transcripts, which is important for discovery.


      Potential Weaknesses / Flaws

      1. Batch Analysis of All FASTQs Together

      2. They ran IsoQuant on all FASTQs in one batch.

      3. This risks pooling artifacts across samples: rare or sample-specific isoforms may look more convincing when aggregated, but they might not be real if not supported in individual samples.
      4. Ideally, one should assemble transcripts per sample first and then merge, to track sample-specific expression and minimize false discoveries.

      5. Strandedness Setting (-stranded none)

      6. For cfRNA, strandedness is often important to distinguish sense from antisense transcription.

      7. By setting it to "none," they lose orientation information, which could inflate the number of apparent novel transcripts or misclassify antisense transcription as novel.

      8. Loose Matching Strategy (-matching_strategy loose)

      9. This increases sensitivity but at the cost of specificity.

      10. Nanopore reads have higher error rates, and loose matching risks aligning spurious sequences as novel isoforms when they might be alignment artifacts.

      11. Novel Transcript Reporting (--report_novel_unspliced true)

      12. Allowing unspliced transcripts to be reported as novel might overcount pre-mRNA fragments or degraded cfRNA, which are abundant in plasma.

      13. Without careful filtering, many of these could be biologically irrelevant.

      14. SQANTI3 with Default Parameters

      15. While SQANTI is robust, running it with defaults only may not be enough. For cfRNA (which is fragmented and low-abundance), more stringent filters (on junction support, read coverage, canonical splice motifs) are usually needed.

      16. Otherwise, false positives could pass QC.

      Overall Reliability

      • Strengths: They used well-regarded tools (IsoQuant + SQANTI), a proper reference (hg38 + GENCODE), and applied the Nanopore-specific model. That’s a solid foundation.
      • Weaknesses: They pooled samples, did not use strandedness, allowed loose matching, and reported unspliced transcripts—all of which tend to inflate the number of “novel” transcripts and may misclassify artifacts as biology. For cfRNA, which is already fragmented and noisy, these issues are magnified.

      Conclusion

      Their method is adequate for generating hypotheses about novel cfRNA transcripts, but the reliability of their discoveries is questionable without stronger filtering and sample-level validation. The key weaknesses (pooling, unstranded analysis, permissive matching, unspliced reporting) suggest their reported “novel transcripts” are likely overestimates.

      If I were evaluating this, I’d say:

      • Good first pass, but high false discovery rate.
      • They should have assembled per-sample, used stranded protocols if possible, tightened alignment criteria, and reported only spliced, reproducible isoforms across samples."

    Annotators

    1. 1-3 of Skellig

      Page1 :A boy finds a mysterious, otherworldly creature in a garage. Page2:Family moves into old house; baby arrives unexpectedly early. Page3:Old, creepy garage full of junk and scary noises. Page4: Mum scolds Michael for entering unsafe garage; he stormed off. Page5: Garden's a mess Michael misses his old life and hates Dr. Death. Page6:Michael explores garage, finds mysterious pale figure covered in dust. Page7:Michael meets mysterious man in garage and he hides truth from Dad.

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    1. My family have been prominent, well-to-do people in this Middle Western city for three generations. The Carraways are something of a clan, and we have a tradition that we’re descended from the Dukes of Buccleuch, but the actual founder of my line was my grandfather’s brother, who came here in fifty-one, sent a substitute to the Civil War, and started the wholesale hardware business that my father carries on today. I never saw this great-uncle, but I’m supposed to look like him—with special reference to the rather hard-boiled painting that hangs in father’s office. I graduated from New Haven in 1915, just a quarter of a century after my father, and a little later I participated in that delayed Teutonic migration known as the Great War. I enjoyed the counter-raid so thoroughly that I came back restless. Instead of being the warm centre of the world, the Middle West now seemed like the ragged edge of the universe—so I decided to go East and learn the bond business. Everybody I knew was in the bond business, so I supposed it could support one more single man. All my aunts and uncles talked it over as if they were choosing a prep school for me, and finally said, “Why—ye-es,” with very grave, hesitant faces. Father agreed to finance me for a year, and after various delays I came East, permanently, I thought, in the spring of twenty-two.
      • Nick (his family) has been wealthy for 3 generations in Midwest his great uncle started their family wealth) after nick graduated, he decided to move East to study bond business, his family was hesitant at first. Nick end up renting a small house outside the city. (His worn out house cost 80$) New life: old car, Finnish woman working for him that speaks to herself
    1. Reviewer #1 (Public review):

      Summary:

      In this study, Gu et al., employed novel viral strategies, combined with in vivo two-photon imaging, to map the tone response properties of two groups of cortical neurons in A1 - The thalamocortical recipient (TR neurons) and the corticothalamic (CT neurons). They observed a clear tonotopic gradient among TR neurons but not in CT neurons. Moreover, CT neurons exhibited high heterogeneity of their frequency tuning and broader bandwidth, suggesting increased synaptic integration in these neurons. By parsing out different projecting-specific neurons within A1, this study provides insight into how neurons with different connectivity can exhibit different frequency response-related topographic organization.

      Strengths:

      This study reveals the importance of studying neurons with projection specificity rather than layer specificity since neurons within the same layer have very diverse molecular, morphological, physiological, and connectional features. By utilizing a newly developed rabies virus CSN-N2c GCaMP-expressing vector, the authors can label and image specifically the neurons (CT neurons) in A1 that project to the MGB. To compare, they used an anterograde trans-synaptic tracing strategy to label and image neurons in A1 that receive input from MGB (TR neurons).

      Weaknesses:

      - Perhaps as cited in the introduction, it is well known that tonotopic gradient is well preserved across all layers within A1, but I feel if the authors want to highlight the specificity of their virus tracing strategy and the populations that they imaged in L2/3 (TR neurons) and L6 (CT neurons), they should perform control groups where they image general excitatory neurons in the two depths and compare to TR and CT neurons, respectively. This will show that it's not their imaging/analysis or behavioral paradigms that are different from other labs.  

      - Fig 1D and G, the y-axis is Distance from pia (%). I'm not exactly sure what this means. How does % translate to real cortical thickness? 

      - For Fig. 2G and H, is each circle a neuron or an animal? Why are they staggered on top of each other on the x-axis? If x-axis is thedistance from caudal to rostral, each neuron should have a different distance? Also,it seems like it's because Fig. 2H has more circles, that's why it has morevariation thus not significant (for example, at 600 or 900um, 2G seems to haveless circles than 2H).  

      - Similar in Fig 2J and L, why are the circles staggered onthe y-axis now? And is each circle now a neuron or a trial? It seems they havemuch more circles than Fig 2G and 2H. Also I don't think doing a correlation isthe proper stats for this type of plot (this point applies to Fig. 3H and 3J)

      - What does inter-quartile range of BF (IQRBF, in octaves) imply? What's the interpretation of this analysis? I am confused why TR neurons showhigh IQR in HF areas compared to LF areas mean homogeneity among TR neurons (line 213 - 216). On the same note, how is this different from the BF variability?  Isn't higher IQR = tohigher variability?

      - Fig. 4A-B, there's no clear critieria on how the authors categorize V, I, and O Shape. The descriptions in the Methods (line 721 - 725) are also very vague.  

      Comments on revisions:

      The authors have addressed all my questions in the previous round.

    2. Reviewer #2 (Public review):

      Summary:

      Gu and Liang et. al investigated how auditory information is mapped and transformed as it enters and exits a auditory cortex. They use anterograde transsynaptic tracers to label and perform calcium imaging of thalamorecipient neurons in A1 and retrograde tracers to label and perform calcium imaging of corticothalamic output neurons. They demonstrate a degradation of tonotopic organization from the input to output neurons.

      Strengths:

      The experiments appear well executed, well described, and analyzed.

      Weaknesses:

      (1) Given that the CT and TR neurons were imaged at different depths, the question as to whether not these differences could otherwise be explained by layer-specific differences is still not 100% resolved. Control measurements would be needed either by recording 1) CT neurons upper layers 2) TR in deeper layers 3) non-CT in deeper layers and/or 4) non-TR in upper layers.

      (2) What percent of the neurons at the depths being are CT neurons? Similar questions for TR neurons?

      (3) V-shaped, I-shaped, or O-shaped is not an intuitively understood nomenclature, consider changing. Further, the x/y axis for Figure 4a is not labeled, so it's not clear what the heat maps are supposed to represent.

      (4). Many references about projection neurons and cortical circuits are based on studies from visual or somatosensory cortex. Auditory cortex organization is not necessarily the same as other sensory areas. Auditory cortex references should be used specifically, and not sources reporting on S1, V1.

      Comments on revisions:

      The authors have fully addressed my concerns.

    3. Reviewer #3 (Public review):

      Summary:

      The authors performed wide-field and 2-photon imaging in vivo in awake head-fixed mice, to compare receptive fields and tonotopic organization in thalamocortical recipient (TR) neurons vs corticothalamic (CT) neurons of mouse auditory cortex. TR neurons were found in all cortical layers while CT neurons were restricted to layer 6. The TR neurons at nominal depths of 200-400 microns have a remarkable degree of tonotopy (as good if not better than tonotopic maps reported by multiunit recordings). In contrast, CT neurons were very heterogenous in terms of their best frequency (BF), even when focusing on the low vs high frequency regions of primary auditory cortex. CT neurons also had wider tuning.

      Strengths:

      This is a thorough examination using modern methods, helping to resolve a question in the field with projection-specific mapping.

      Weaknesses:

      There are some limitations due to the methods, and it's unclear what the importance of these responses are outside of behavioral context or measured at single timepoints given the plasticity, context-dependence, and receptive field 'drift' that can occur in cortex.

      (1) Probably the biggest conceptual difficulty I have with the paper is comparing these results to past studies mapping auditory cortex topography, mainly due to differences in methods. Conventionally, tonotopic organization is observed for characteristic frequency maps (not best frequency maps), as tuning precision degrades and best frequency can shift as sound intensity increases. The authors used six attenuation levels (30-80 dB SPL) and report that the background noise of the 2-photon scope is <30 dB SPL, which seems very quiet. The authors should at least describe the sound-proofing they used to get the noise level that low, and some sense of noise across the 2-40 kHz frequency range would be nice as a supplementary figure. It also remains unclear just what the 2-photon dF/F response represents in terms of spikes. Classic mapping using single-unit or multi-unit electrodes might be sensitive to single spikes (as might be emitted at characteristic frequency), but this might not be as obvious for Ca2+ imaging. This isn't a concern for the internal comparison here between TR and CT cells as conditions are similar, but is a concern for relating the tonotopy or lack thereof reported here to other studies.

      (2) It seems a bit peculiar that while 2721 CT neurons (N=10 mice) were imaged, less than half as many TR cells were imaged (n=1041 cells from N=5 mice). I would have expected there to be many more TR neurons even mouse for mouse (normalizing by number of neurons per mouse), but perhaps the authors were just interested in a comparison data set and not being as thorough or complete with the TR imaging?

      (3) The authors definitions of neuronal response type in the methods needs more quantitative detail. The authors state: ""Irregular" neurons exhibited spontaneous activity with highly variable responses to sound stimulation. "Tuned" neurons were responsive neurons that demonstrated significant selectivity for certain stimuli. "Silent" neurons were defined as those that remained completely inactive during our recording period (> 30 min). For tuned neurons, the best frequency (BF) was defined as the sound frequency associated with the highest response averaged across all sound levels." The authors need to define what their thresholds are for 'highly variable', 'significant', and 'completely inactive'. Is best frequency the most significant response, the global max (even if another stimulus evokes a very close amplitude response), etc.

      Comments on revisions:

      I think the authors misunderstood my point about sound level and characteristic frequency vs best frequency tonotopic maps. Yes, many studies of cortical responses present stimuli at higher intensities than the characteristic frequencies, but as tuning curves widen with sound level, the macroscopic tonotopic organization of primary auditory cortex breaks down at higher intensities. This is why most of the classic studies of tonotopy e.g., from the Merzenich lab) generated maps of characteristic frequency. As I mentioned before, this isn't so much of an issue for the authors' comparisons of TR vs CT organization in their own study, but in general, this makes it difficult to compare aspects of spatially-organized tonotopy from imaging studies with the older electrophysiological 'truer' tonotopic maps. That said, this means that CT cells also might be tonotopically organized if the authors had been able to look at lower intensity tuning properties.

    1. art. 5:91 jo. 5:104 lid 2 BW

      Andere beperkte rechten: - hypotheek- en pandrecht zijn allebei een afhankelijk recht (art. 3:7 BW). Zij zijn verbonden aan de vordering tot voldoening van een geldsom die zij verzekeren. (art. 3:82). Deze rechten kunnen dus niet zelfstandig worden overgedragen, enkel samen met dde vordering die het verzekert. De vordering is dan het hoofdrecht, het pand- of hypotheekrecht is het afhanelijke recht.

    2. Vorderingsrechten kunnen bij beding onoverdraagbaar gemaakt worden (art. 3:83 lid 2 BW). Of dat beding goederenrechtelijke werking heeft moet naar objectieve maatstaven worden uitgelegd met inachtneming van de Haviltex-maatstaf (HR Oryx/Van Eesteren & HR Coface/Intergamma). Het moet dus echt duidelijk blijken.

      Om een beding met zekerheid goederenrechtelijke werking te geven (in de zin dat de vordering niet overdraagbaar is, in plaats van dat alleen de overdracht verboden is), moet de formulering de vordering zelf tot object maken.

      Juridisch de meest zekere en overduidelijke formuleringen zijn:

      Directe koppeling aan de vordering:
      
          "Deze vordering is onoverdraagbaar in de zin van artikel 3:83 lid 2 BW."
      
          "De vordering(en) voortvloeiend uit deze overeenkomst kan/kunnen niet worden overgedragen."
      
      Nadruk op de goederenrechtelijke consequentie:
      
          "De goederenrechtelijke overdraagbaarheid van deze vordering wordt uitgesloten."
      
          "De vordering is een goederenrechtelijk onoverdraagbare vordering."
      
    3. Overdracht is geregeld in Boek 3 afdeling 3.4.2. Deze regeling is van toepassing op alle soorten goederen. Bij overdracht wisselt een goed van vermogen. Het moet gaan om een overdraagbaar goed (art. 3:83 BW), hier staat anders geen bescherming tegenover. Eerst moet altijd voldaan zijn aan het vereiste van overdraagbaarheid, anders kom je niet toe aan art. 3:84 BW. Eigendom, beperkte rechten en vorderingsrechten zijn overdraagbaar, tenzij anders blijkt uit de wet of aard van het goed. Een voorbeeld waarbij overdraagbaarheid is uitgesloten, is te vinden in art. 3:226 lid 4 BW. Afhankelijke rechten zijn naar hun aard onoverdraagbaar (bijvoorbeeld pand- en hypotheekrechten), omdat zij slechts bestaan in verbinding met het recht waarvan ze afhankelijk zijn. Het kan bijvoorbeeld ook dat de gemeente een voorkeursrecht heeft op een bepaald stuk grond, als de eigenaar het dan wil vervreemden, is het onoverdraagbaar wanneer hij het niet eerst aan de gemeente aanbiedt. Ook mandeligheid en erfdienstbaarheid zijn voorbeelden die naar aard onoverdraagbaar zijn.

      -> vergunningen die persoonsgebonden zijn -> een vordering tot betaling van alimentatie, aangezien het naar zijn aard onlosmakelijk verbonden is met de persoon van de gerechtigde.

    1. Author response:

      The following is the authors’ response to the original reviews.

      Reviewer #1 (Public review):

      Summary:

      In this study, Ledamoisel et al. examined the evolution of visual and chemical signals in closely related Morpho butterfly species to understand their role in species coexistence. Using an integrative, state-of-the-art approach combining spectrophotometry, visual modeling, and behavioral mate choice experiments, they quantified differences in wing iridescence and assessed its influence on mate preference in allopatry and sympatry. They also performed chemical analyses to determine whether sympatric species exhibit divergent chemical cues that may facilitate species recognition and mate discrimination. The authors found iridescent coloration to be similar in sympatric Morpho species. Furthermore, male mate choice experiments revealed that in sympatry, males fail to discriminate conspecific females based on coloration, reinforcing the idea that visual signal convergence is primarily driven by predation pressure. In contrast, the divergence of chemical signals among sympatric species suggests their potential role in facilitating species recognition and mate discrimination. The authors conclude that interactions between ecological pressures and signal evolution may shape species coexistence.

      Strengths:

      The study is well-designed and integrates multiple methodological approaches to provide a thorough assessment of signal evolution in the studied species. I appreciate the authors' careful consideration of multiple selective pressures and their combined influence on signal divergence and convergence. Additionally, the inclusion of both visual and chemical signals adds an interesting and valuable dimension to the study, enhancing its importance. Beyond butterflies, this research broadens our understanding of multimodal communication and signal evolution in the context of species coexistence.

      Weaknesses:

      (1) The broader significance of the findings needs to be better articulated. While the authors emphasize that comparing adaptive traits in sympatry and allopatry provides insights into selective processes shaping reproductive isolation and coexistence, it is unclear what key conceptual or theoretical questions are being addressed. Are these patterns expected under certain evolutionary scenarios? Have they been empirically demonstrated in other systems? The authors should explicitly state the overarching research question, incorporate some predictions, and better contextualize their findings within the existing literature. If the results challenge or support previous work, that should be highlighted to strengthen the study's importance in a broader context.

      We thank the reviewer for their valuable feedback. We understand that the framing of the results and the discussion may fail to convey the broader significance of our findings. In the first version of the manuscript, we framed our manuscript around the processes shaping reproductive isolation and co-existence in sympatry, but now realize that this question was too broad in regards to our results. We thus strictly focused on outlining the importance of ecological interactions in the evolution of traits in sympatric species. In the revised version of the manuscript, we rewrote the first paragraph of the introduction to introduce context regarding the effect of ecological interactions on trait evolution (lines 43-60). We then explicitly introduce the theoretical question investigated in our paper (i.e. “we investigate how ecological interactions in sympatry can constrain natural and sexual selection shaping trait evolution”, lines 62-63) and our predictions regarding the evolution of traits in sympatry vs. allopatry (lines 74-80). We also added predictions regarding our experiments on Morpho at the end of the introduction (lines 146-157). As a result, the discussion is now better aligned with the introduction, by discussing the putative effect of predation and mate choice on the evolution of wing iridescence in Morpho.

      (2) The motivation for studying visual signals and mate choice in allopatric populations (i.e., at the intraspecific level) is not well articulated, leaving their role in the broader narrative unclear. In particular, the rationale behind experiments 1, 2, and 3 is not well defined, as the authors have not made a strong case for the need for these intraspecific comparisons in the introduction. This issue is further compounded by the authors' primary focus on signal evolution in sympatry throughout both the results and the discussion. For instance, the divergence of iridescence in allopatry is a potentially interesting result. But the authors have not discussed its implications.

      We now clearly state in the introduction our motivation for studying visual signals and mate choice in allopatric populations (lines 74-80, lines 146-157). We argued that intraspecific comparisons help identify whether visual cues can be used in mate recognition between phylogenetically close subspecies, between whom visual resemblance is supposed to be higher than between closely-related species (tetrad experiment, and experiment 1). As M. h. bristowi and M. h. theodorus have different wing pattern, we also used this comparison to identify the traits involved in male mate preference within a species, testing the importance of iridescent color (experiment 2) or iridescent patterning (experiment 3). The results of those experiments can then be used to assess whether these traits are used in species recognition between sympatric species. See also our answers to recommendations 11 and 15 from reviewer #1.

      Overall, given that the primary conclusions are based on results and analyses in sympatry, the role of allopatric populations in shaping these conclusions needs to be better integrated and justified. Without a stronger link between the comparative framework and the study's key takeaways, the use of allopatric populations feels somewhat peripheral rather than central to the study's aim. Since the primary conclusions remain valid even without the allopatric comparisons, their inclusion requires a clearer rationale.

      To make a stronger case for the use of the allopatric population in our manuscript, we strengthened the justification behind the study of intraspecific allopatric populations vs. interspecific sympatric populations, as the iridescence measurements and the mate choice experiments in allopatric populations can serve as a baseline in studying how species interactions can shape the evolution of traits and mate recognition when compared to sympatric populations. Following your major comment #1, we rewrote the introduction to include a justification to the need for studying allopatric vs. sympatric populations (lines 74-80), and also further highlighted the need to study iridescence in sympatric species to fully understand the trait evolution of sympatric species in the discussion (339-343).

      (3) While the authors demonstrate that iridescence is indistinguishable to predators in sympatry, they overstate the role of predation in driving convergence. The present study does not experimentally demonstrate that iridescence in this species has a confusion effect or contributes to evasive mimicry. Alternatively, convergence could result from other selective forces, such as signal efficacy due to environmental conditions, rather than being solely driven by predation.

      We acknowledge that our study does not directly demonstrate that iridescence contributes to evasive mimicry. We did tone down the interpretation of the results in the discussion and state that predation is not the only selective pressure that could have promoted a convergent evolution of iridescence in sympatric species, as iridescence is a trait that could be involved in thermoregulation (lines 346-353) and camouflage (lines 363-369) for example. We made sure to mention that convergence in iridescent signals in sympatry is only an indirect support to the evasive mimicry hypothesis, and that further research is still needed, including direct predation experiments, to show that this convergence is indeed triggered by predation (lines 391-396).  

      Reviewer #2 (Public review):

      This study presents an investigation of the visual and chemical properties and mating behaviour in Morpho butterflies, aimed at addressing the nature of divergence between closely related species in sympatry. The study species consists of three subspecies of Morpho helenor (bristowi, theodorus, and helenor), and the conspecific Morpho achilles achilles. The authors postulate that whereas the iridescent blue signals of all (sub)species should function as a predator reduction signal (similar to aposematism) and therefore exhibit convergence, the same signals should indicate divergence if used as a mating signal, particularly in sympatric populations. They also assess chemical profiles among the species to assess the potential utility of scent in mediating species/sex discrimination.

      The authors first used reflectance spectrometry to calculate hue, brightness, and chroma, plus two measures of "iridescence" (perhaps better phrased as angular dependence) in each (sub)species. This indicated the ubiquitous presence of sexual dimorphism in brightness (males brighter), which also appears to be the case for iridescence (Figure 3A-B). Analysis of these data also indicated that whereas there is evidence for divergence among subspecies in allopatry, the same evidence is lacking for species in sympatry (P = 0.084). This was supported further by visual modelling, which showed that both conspecifics and birds should be (theoretically) capable of perceiving the colour difference among allopatric populations of M. helenor, whereas the same is not true for the sympatric species.

      The authors then conducted mate choice trials, first using live individuals and second using female dummies. The live experiments indicated the presence of assortative mating among the two subspecies of M. helenor (bristowi and theodorus). The dummy presentations indicated (a) bristowi males prefer conspecific wings, whereas theodorus have no preference, (b) bristowi males prefer the con(sub)specific colour pattern, (c) theodorus prefer the con(sub)specific iridescence when the pattern is manipulated to be similar among female dummies. A fourth experiment, using sympatric M. achilles and M. helenor, indicated no preference for conspecific female dummies. Finally, chemical analysis indicated substantial differences between these two species in putative pheromone compounds, and especially so in the males.

      The authors conclude that the similarity of iridescence among species in sympatry is suggestive of convergence upon a common anti-predation signal. Despite some behavioural evidence in favourof colour (iridescence)-based mate discrimination, chemical differences between Achilles and Helenor are posed as more likely to function for species isolation than visual differences.

      Overall, I enjoyed reading this manuscript, which presents a valiant attempt at studying visual, chemical and behavioural divergence in this iconic group of butterflies.

      Major comments

      My only major comment concerns the authors' favoured explanation for aposematism (or evasive mimicry) for convergence among species, which is based upon the you-can't-catch-me hypothesis first presented by Young 1971. Although there is supporting work showing that iridescent-like stimuli are more difficult to precisely localize by a range of viewers, most of the evidence as applied to the Morpho system is circumstantial, and I'm not certain that there is widespread acceptance of this hypothesis. Given that the present study deals with closely-related  (sub)species, one alternative explanation - a "null" hypothesis of sorts - is for a lack of divergence (from a common starting point) as opposed to evolutionary convergence per se. in other words, two subspecies are likely to retain ancestral character states unless there is selection that causes them to diverge. I feel that the manuscript would benefit from a discussion of this alternative, if not others. Signalling to predators could very well be involved in constraining the extent of convergence, but this seems a little premature to state as an up-front conclusion of this work. There is also the result of a *dorsal* wing manipulation by Vieira-Silva et al. 2024 which seems difficult to reconcile in light of this explanation. Whereas this paper is cited by the authors, a more nuanced discussion of their experimental results would seem appropriate here.

      We thank the reviewer for their constructive comments on our manuscript. We appreciate the reviewer’s concern regarding the way iridescence convergence between sympatric species is discussed in our manuscript, which align with similar concerns raised by Reviewer 1. Indeed, the you-can't-catch-me hypothesis has not been yet empirically tested in Morpho, this is currently a working hypothesis only supported by indirect lines of evidence.

      Among the 30 known Morpho species, iridescence is most likely the ancestral character, notably because iridescence is a trait shared by a majority of Morpho (we now mention this in the introduction lines 108-110). In this paper, we thus did not aim to identify the evolutionary forces involved in the appearance of iridescence in this group, but rather wanted to understand to what extent ecological interactions can impact the diversification (or not) of this trait. As such, the dorsal manipulations performed in Vieira-Silva et al 2024 showing that iridescence in Morpho may have a similar effect than crypsis does not impact our working hypothesis. Instead, we use VieraSilva et al 2024 to discuss the potential anti-predator effect of iridescence, that could potentially promote convergent evolution of iridescent patterns.

      In the main text, we now clearly mention our null hypothesis: under a scenario of neutral evolution of iridescence, we would expect that the divergence in wing coloration between two M. helenor subspecies would be lower than between two different Morpho species (M. helenor and M. achilles) and showed that our results sharply differ from this null expectation.

      We then improved the discussion by adding alternative hypotheses potentially explaining the convergent iridescent signal detected in sympatric species: we discussed the expected effect under neutral evolution (lines 339-343), but also added alternative hypotheses regarding the diversification of iridescence due to camouflage (lines 363-369), predator evasion (lines 373-377) and thermoregulation (lines 346-353).

      Reviewer #3 (Public review):

      The authors investigated differences in iridescence wing colouration of allopatric (geographically separated) and sympatric (coexisting) Morpho butterfly (sub)species. Their aim was to assess if iridescence wing colouration of Morpho (sub)species converged or diverged depending on coexistence and if iridescence wing colouration was involved in mating behaviour and reproductive isolation. The authors hypothesize that iridescence wing colouration of different (sub)species should converge in sympatry and diverge in allopatry. In sympatry, iridescence wing colouration can act as an effective antipredator defence with shared benefits if multiple (sub)species share the same colouration. However, shared wing colouration can have potential costs in terms of reproductive interference since wing colouration is often involved in mate recognition. If the benefits of a shared antipredator defence outweigh the costs of reproductive interference, iridescence wing colouration will show convergence and alternative mate recognition strategies might evolve, such as chemical mate recognition. In allopatry, iridescence wing colouration is expected to diverge due to adaptation to different local conditions and no alternative mate recognition is expected.

      Strengths:

      (1) Using allopatric and sympatric (sub)species that are closely related is a powerful way to test evolutionary hypotheses

      (2) By clearly defining iridescence and measuring colour spectra from a variety of angles, applying different methods, a very comprehensive dataset of iridescence wing colouration is achieved.

      (3) By experimentally manipulating wing coloration patterns, the authors show visual mate recognition for M. h. bristowi and could, in theory, separate different visual aspects of colouration (patterns VS iridescence strength).

      (4) Measurements of chemical profiles to investigate alternative mate recognition strategies in case of convergence of visual signals.

      Weaknesses:

      In my opinion, studies should be judged on the methods and data included, and not on additional measurements that could have been taken or additional treatments/species that should be included, since in most ecological and evolutionary studies, more measurements or treatments/species can always be included. However, studies do need to ensure appropriate replication and appropriate measurements to test their hypothesis AND support their conclusions. The current study failed to ensure appropriate replication, and in various cases, the results do not support the conclusions.

      First, when using allopatric and sympatric (sub)species pairs to test evolutionary hypotheses, replication is important. Ideally, multiple allopatric and sympatric (sub)species pairs are compared to avoid outlier (sub)species or pairs that lead to biased conclusions. Unfortunately, the current study compares 1 allopatric and 1 sympatric (sub)species pair, hence having poor (no) replication on the level of allopatric and sympatric (sub)species pairs,

      We would like to thank the reviewer for their constructive feedback. We agree that replication is important to test evolutionary hypotheses and that our study lacks replication for allopatric and sympatric Morpho populations. Ideally, one would require several allopatric and sympatric replicates to conclude on the effect of species interaction in trait evolution. Our study is a preliminary attempt at answering this question, covering a few Morpho populations but proposing a broad assessment of iridescence and mate preference for those populations. We clearly mentioned in the discussion that investigating multiple populations is needed to test whether the trend we observed in this paper can be generalized (line 388-392).

      Second, chemical profiles were only measured for sympatric species and not for allopatric (sub)species, which limits the interpretation of this data. The allopatric (sub)species could have been measured as non-coexistence "control". If coexistence and convergence in wing colouration drives the evolution of alternative mate recognition signals, such alternative signals should not evolve/diverge for allopatric (sub)species where wing colouration is still a reliable mate recognition cue. More importantly, no details are provided on the quantification of butterfly chemical profiles, which is essential to understand such data. It is unclear how the chemical profiles were quantified and what data (concentrations, ratios, proportions) were used to perform NDMS and generate Figure 5 and the associated statistical tests.

      We recognize that having the chemical profiles of the genitalia of the Morpho from the allopatric populations would have made a stronger case in favor of reinforcement acting on the divergence of the chemical compounds found on the genitalia of the sympatric Morpho species. Due to limited access to the biological material needed at the time of the chromatography, we could not test for lower divergence in the chemical profiles of allopatric Morpho butterflies. We made sure to mention this limitation in the discussion (lines 457-461). 

      We already stated in the methods that we compiled the area under the peak of each components found in the chromatograms of our samples and that we performed all the statistical analyses on this dataset. To make it clearer, we mention in the new version of the manuscript that the area under the peak of each component allows to measure the concentration of the components (in the methods lines 720, 723, 733). We also added some precisions in the legend of Figure 5.

      Third, throughout the discussion, the authors mention that their results support natural selection by predators on iridescent wing colouration, without measuring natural selection by predators or any other measure related to predation. It is unclear by what predators any of the butterfly species are predated on at this point

      We made sure to mention in the introduction (line 132-136) and in the discussion (line 373-377) that previous predation experiments performed on Morpho and other butterflies showed evidence that birds are likely predators for these species. These observations lead us to test for the putative effect of predation on the evolution of their color pattern, without directly testing predatory rates. We made sure this information is transparent in the revised manuscript, and now precise that assessing wing convergence is only an indirect way of testing the escape mimicry hypothesis (line 393-396).

      To continue on the interpretation of the data related to selection on specific traits by specific selection agents: This study did not measure any form of selection or any selection agent. Hence, it is not known if iridescent wing colouration is actually under selection by predators and/or mates, if maybe other selection agents are involved or if these traits converge due to genetic correlations with other traits under selection. For example, Iridescent colouration in ground beetles has functions as antipredator defence but also thermo- and water regulation. None of these issues are recognized or discussed.

      The lack of discussion of alternative selective pressures involved in the evolution of iridescence was pointed out by all reviewers. We thus modified the text to account for this comment, and no longer limit our discussion to the putative effects of predation. We now specifically discuss alternative hypotheses, including crypsis (362-369) and thermoregulation (line 346-353).

      Finally, some of the results are weakly supported by statistics or questionable methodology.

      Most notably, the perception of the iridescence coloration of allopatric subspecies by bird visual systems. Although for females, means and errors (not indicated what exactly, SD, SE or CI) are clearly above the 1 JND line, for males, means are only slightly above this line and errors or CIs clearly overlap with the 1 JND line. Since there is no additional statistical support, higher means but overlap of SD, SE or CI with the baseline provides weak statistical support for differences.

      We thank the reviewer for bringing interpretation issues concerning the chromatic distances of allopatric Morpho species measured with a bird vision model. We made sure to be nuanced in the description of this graph in the results section (line 208-212). Note that this addition does not change our main conclusion stating that Morpho and predator visual models better discriminate iridescence differences between allopatric subspecies than between sympatric species.

      We now also clearly mention in the figure’s legend that the error bars represent the confidence intervals obtained after performing a bootstrap analysis, in addition to the mention of the nature of the error bars already mentioned in the methods (line 580).

      Regarding the assortative mating experiment, the results are clearly driven by M. bristowi. For M. theodorus, females mate equally often with conspecifics (6 times) as with M. bristowi (5 times). For males, the ratio is slightly better (6 vs 3), but with such low numbers, I doubt this is statistically testable. Overall low mating for M. bristowi could indicate suboptimal experimental conditions, and hence results should be interpreted with care.

      We recognize that the tetrad experiment results are mainly driven by M. bristowi’s behavior as already mentioned in the results (line 231-232) but we now also mention it in the discussion (lines 401-402). This experiment would have benefited from more replicates, but the limited access to live males and virgin females for both subspecies was a limiting factor. Fisher’s exact test used to assess assortative mating is specifically appropriate to small sample sizes. We recognize that the sampling size is not ideal, however it is still statistically testable.

      Regarding the wing manipulation experiment, M. theodorus does not show a preference when dummies with non-modified wings are presented and prefers non-modified dummies over modified dummies. This is acknowledged by the authors but not further discussed. Certainly, some control treatment for wing modification could have been added.

      The use of controls to consider the effect of wing modification and odor by the permanent marker were already mentioned in the methods (lines 636-639). Following your recommendation and comments from the other reviewers, we now mention the use of this control in the results (lines 278283). We also address a potential issue that would have resulted in the rejection of these modified dummies by live males: we cannot be sure whether butterflies perceive these modifications as equivalent to natural coloration (lines 281-282). An additional control could have been used, adding black ink on the black dorsal parts of the pattern to assess its potential visual effect. The constraints on sampling unfortunately did not allow to add another treatment.

      Overall, the fact that certain measurements only provide evidence for 1 of the 2 (sub)species (assortative mating, wing manipulation) or one sex of one of the species (bird visual systems) means overall interpretation and overgeneralization of the results to both allopatric or sympatric species should be done with care, and such nuances should ideally be discussed.

      The aim of the authors, "to investigate the antagonistic effects of selective pressures generated by mate recognition and shared predation" has not been achieved, and the conclusions regarding this aim are not supported by the results. Nevertheless, the iridescence colour measurements are solid, and some of the behavioural experiments and chemical profile measurements seem to yield interesting results. The study would benefit from less overinterpretation of the results in the framework of predation and more careful consideration of methodological difficulties, statistical insecurities, and nuances in the results.

      Overall, we would like to thank all reviewers for their thorough assessment of our work. We understand that the imbalance between mate choice data, visual model data and chemical data only gives us a partial assessment of species recognition in Morpho butterflies, thus requiring more precision in the interpretation and the discussion of our results. We made sure to add balanced interpretations in our discussion, by mentioning the lack of replicates for allopatric and sympatric populations (lines 391-392), and the lack of chemical characterization of allopatric species (lines 458361, see previous comments) and by being more transparent on methodological limitations that we failed to convey in the first version of our manuscript. We brought nuance to our discussion and also discussed alternative hypotheses to predation to explain the convergence of iridescence found in sympatry.

      Reviewing Editor Comments:

      While all reviewers acknowledge the value of your data, they converge in their recommendations to tone down the evolutionary interpretations. Ideally, to test your main hypothesis, you would need several species pairs, or if only one, as in your case, replicated sympatric and allopatric sites for both species. Furthermore, your more specific hypotheses about convergence (vs. nondivergence), response to predators (vs. other environmental variables), and avoiding interspecific mating in sympatry (vs. not avoiding it in allopatry) would require appropriate alternative treatments/controls. We therefore recommend that you focus on those statements that you can support with your experiments and data, and introduce these statements in the introduction with reference to the appropriate literature.

      Reviewer #1 (Recommendations for the authors):

      (1) Line 25: This stated aim seems a bit off. The authors did not sensu stricto quantify 'how shared adaptive traits may shape genetic divergence' in this study. I suggest rewriting or deleting this whole sentence altogether. The study's aim is already clear in lines 29-34.

      We deleted the mention of the characterization of genetic divergence, since this study did not focus on any genetic analysis.

      (2) Line 34: The authors here state that they compared allopatric vs sympatric populations. This is strictly not true for M. Achilles. Further, the results after this sentence focus solely ondivergence/convergence in sympatry, nothing at the intraspecific level and implications of the findings

      We now mention that we tested allopatric vs. sympatric species of M. helenor only (lines 28-29). We also mention that the behavioral experiments were based on intraspecific comparisons, and discuss the implications of this result in the discussion.

      (3) Line 35: 'convergence driven by predation': this is a strong statement and cannot be directly inferred from the present set of experiments. Consider toning it down.

      We added nuance to this statement by rephrasing it “suggesting that predation may favors local resemblance” (lines 32-33)

      (4) Line 36: Replace 'behavioral results' with 'behavioral experiments' or something similar.

      Corrected

      (5) Line 45-49: These opening statements need some citations.

      We provided references for the first few lines, by citing terHorst et al 2018 (line 44) underlining the importance of species interactions in trait evolution, and Blomberg et al 2003 (line 45) showing that closely-related species tend to resemble each other by quantifying the phylogenetic signal of various traits.

      (6) Line 83, 165: 'visual effect', not sure what the authors are referring to. Please rewrite.

      We defined “visual effect” as the way wing color patterns could be perceived by predators or mates. We removed mentions of “visual effect” and directly used its definition instead.

      (7) Line 105 onwards: This section of the introduction could benefit from more concise writing. The authors might consider reducing the number of specific examples and instead offering broader general statements, supported by citations from multiple studies.

      We reduced the number of examples given in this paragraph and used general statements supported by multiple citations as examples. (lines 102-119).

      (8) Line 108-110: This sentence seems to be redundant with the previous one.

      We merged this sentence with the previous one to improve clarity. (lines 103-105)

      (9) Line 140: 'with chemical defenses': include citations here.

      We added citations of Joron et al 1999 and Merrill et al 2014, which document the evolution of convergent wing patterns (mimicry) in butterfly species with chemical-defenses.

      (10) Line 149: This is a bit of a stretch. Note that genetic divergence could be influenced by many other things, not only the processes that the authors examined.

      We agree with the reviewer that the study of the convergent vs. divergent evolution of visual cues is not enough to fully understand the mechanisms allowing genetic divergence between species. Because this paper does not focus on characterizing genetic divergence, we removed it from the manuscript to avoid oversimplification.

      (11) Line 151: Again. Here, the author's primary focus seems to be at an interspecific level. One is left to wonder about the need for comparisons at the intraspecific level in M.helenor and the implications. Please clarify

      In the end of the introduction (lines 146-157), we specifically highlighted the importance of intraspecific comparisons. While studying the effect of sympatry on the evolution of the iridescent color pattern, we use this intraspecific comparison as a baseline to account for convergence or divergence of iridescence in a sympatric interspecific pair of Morpho, because under neutral evolution two subspecies are expected to be more similar than two different species (this assumption has been clarified line 147-148). We also used intraspecific mate choice to test for the use of visual cues in mate recognition (experiment 1) and to test what type of signal could be perceived by Morphos (the iridescent coloration or the iridescent pattern, experiment 2 and 3). These results help contextualize the interspecific mate choice, focused on determining whether visual cues could also be used in species recognition. Since we show that iridescent coloration is important in mate recognition at the intraspecific scale, it helps understand why species recognition is low at the interspecific scale because of wing color convergence between M. helenor and M. achilles.

      (12) Line 154: 'signals on mate preferences'.

      Corrected.

      (13) Line 189: 'At the intraspecific level', maybe in the brackets include 'allopatric populations' just so the results are in a similar format as in the color contrast section below.

      We added details to make clearer that the intraspecific level is studied between allopatric Morpho populations (line 189).

      (14) Line 189-192: Please rearrange the figure (current B as A and vice versa) or present the results in order as in the figure (interspecific first and then intraspecific level).

      We rearranged Figure 3 so that the intraspecific comparison (allopatric population) appears as A and the interspecific level (sympatric population) appears as B, to follow the order of presentation in the main text.

      (15) Line 232: The motivation behind experiments 1, 2, and 3 is unclear. The authors have not made a strong point in the introduction about the need for these comparisons at an intraspecific level. Given that the authors are focused on divergence/convergence at an interspecific level, this set of experiments seems to be irrelevant to the present study. The implications of these findings are also not discussed.

      We added motivation to the use of experiment 1, 2, and 3 in the introduction (lines 151-154) by stating that those experiments were used to assess whether blue color could indeed be used as a mating cue in Morpho helenor (experiment 1) and to try to understand what part of the visual signal is important in mate choice in Morpho helenor: the wing pattern (experiment 2) or the iridescent coloration (experiment 3). Although motivation for these experiments was not detailed in our manuscript, we already discussed the implications of the results of experiments 1, 2 and 3 in the discussion by stating that visual cues can take many forms and that considering both color AND pattern is important in understanding visual cues (lines 408-416). We carefully reworked this new version to make it more straightforward.

      (16) Line 260: Insert 'wild-type' before model to ensure similar wording as in the previous section.

      Corrected.

      (17) Line 286: Insert 'sympatric' after mimetic.

      Corrected.

      (18) Line 307: Include a reference to the figures or table where these results are presented.

      We now mention in the main text that the different proportions of beta-ocimene found between males M. helenor and M. achilles are shown in Table S2.

      (19) Line 343: These inferences are speculative. Add a line here, something like 'although this warrants further research in this species'.

      We detailed what additional experiments are needed lines 388-396.

      (20) Line 357: The authors have not discussed their results on iridescence divergence in allopatric populations (line 190) and its implications.

      We now made clear in the beginning of the discussion that the divergence of iridescence in allopatric populations is used as a baseline to test for convergent iridescence between species (lines 339-343).

      (21) Line 361 onwards: This first paragraph is a bit confusing, as the results mainly focus on allopatry, while the title refers to sympatry.

      To avoid confusion between the title and the content of the discussion, we divided the last part of the discussion into two different parts. As the first paragraph mainly focus on allopatry, we isolated it and titled it “Iridescent color patterns can be used as mate recognition cues in M. helenor” (line 498). The next paragraph of the discussion, focusing on the sympatric Morpho populations, has been titled “Evolution of visual and olfactory cues in mimetic sister-species living in sympatry” (line 418).

      (21)  Line 383: visual cues 'as' poor species.

      Corrected.

      (23) Line 405: Why females here and not males? This is again confusing since the authors tested for male mate choice in the main experiments. Some background information on sex-specific mate choice in the methods might help.

      In this specific sentence, we talk about performing mate choice experiments to test for the discrimination of olfactory cues by females (and not males) because we found a high divergence in the chemical compounds found on male genitalia. Although female chemical compounds could also be used as a cue by males in mate recognition, olfactive mate choice is often driven by female choice in butterflies. We recognize that this perspective does not line up with the mate choice presented in our results section which focused on male mate choice based on visual cues, because of ecological reasons (Morpho males tend to be attracted to bright blue colorations but not females) and technical reasons (in cages, females tend to hide away from the males or male dummies, and this behavior is not compatible with experiments involving flying around false males). In the discussion, we made sure to precise that the perspective we cite here is about testing the implications of divergence in male olfactory cues (line 454). We also added motivation to why we chose to investigate male (and not female) mate choice based on visual cues in the methods (lines 613-618) and in the results (219-223).

      (24) Line 417: This inference is speculative. Consider toning it down.

      We rewrote the sentence: “We find evidence of converging iridescent patterns in sympatry suggesting that predation could play a major role in the evolution of iridescence. Further work is nevertheless needed to directly test this hypothesis and establish the important of evasive mimicry in Morpho” (lines 465-468).

      (25) Line 429: 'Convergent trait evolution leads to mutualistic interactions enhancing coexistence'. Careful here. It is not very evident how convergent trait evolution (iridescence) is mutualistic in this case, as there is no experimental evidence for evasive mimicry yet. Consider rewording or toning this sentence down.

      We agree with the reviewer and removed this statement, only keeping the end of the sentence: “Altogether, this study addresses how convergence in one trait as a result of biotic interactions may alter selection on traits in other sensory modalities, resulting in a complex mosaic of biodiversity. (lines 479-481).

      (26) Line 442: Since the samples come from a breeding farm, I have a few questions. How are the authors sure about the location where the specimens were collected? How long have they been kept in captivity? Have they been subjected to any artificial selection? More details are needed here.

      Since M. helenor bristowi and M. helenor theodorus are only found in the wild in West and East Ecuador respectively, those M. helenor subspecies can only be collected in those two allopatric populations. Their phenotype is directly linked to their geographic repartition, this is how we made sure about their collect location. M. h. theodorus we used in this study were caught in East Ecuador in Tena, and M. h. bristowi were caught in West Ecuador in Pedro Vincente Madonado. We received pupae from the breeding farm, meaning that the Morpho used for the experiments were raised in captivity since their date of emergence. Upon emergence, they were transferred into cages for 4 to 5 days to wait for sexual maturity before performing the tetrad and mate choice experiments. This information was added to the method (lines 490-496).

      (27) Line 476: Include some citations supporting this statement.

      We now cite Bennett and Théry (2007), reviewing avian color vision, and Briscoe (2008), characterizing the sensitivity of the photoreceptors found in the eyes of butterflies. Both citations show that the 300-700nm range is seen by avian and butterfly visual systems.

      (28) Line 480 onwards: Please clarify if the analysis used only one value (mean?) per species, sex, angle of measurement, and locality or included data from multiple individuals.

      The analyses of both colorimetric variables and global iridescence were performed using iridescence data from multiple individuals (10 males and 10 females from M. h. bristowi, M. h. theodorus, M. h. helenor and M. a. achilles), for which we measured iridescence at 21 angles of illumination. Sampling size are mentioned lines 507, 515, 540-542.

      (29) Line 510: Is there a specific reason that authors did not investigate achromatic contrasts? Provide some justification here. Or include the results of achromatic contrasts in the supplement.

      We added the achromatic results in the supplement and in the results (lines 200-204). For both the avian visual model and the Morpho visual model, the confidence intervals always overlapped with the JND threshold, showing that neither birds nor butterflies could theoretically discriminate the wing reflectance brightness in allopatric and sympatric populations.

      (30) Line 552 onwards: I may have missed it. It is not entirely clear why the authors focused on male mate choice rather than female preference for visual cues. The authors should explicitly justify this choice and cite previous studies demonstrating that male mate choice, rather than female preference, is important in this species. This should be stated in the results section as well.

      We added a paragraph in the method (lines 613-618) to describe the ecological and technical reasons leading to testing only male mate choice using visual cues (also see our response to recommendation #23).

      (31) Line 537 onwards: What was the criterion used to score that mating had occurred? Why first mating and not how long they were mating? Please add these details.

      We stopped the experiment as soon as a male/female pair was formed by joining their genitalia (we added this information in the method lines 599-600). Since the tetrad experiment involves the interaction of two males and two females from different subspecies, we considered that mate choice happened before the formation of any couple, and is not necessarily dependent on how long they mate by observing their mating behavior. For instance, we witnessed avoidance behaviors from females that systematically hide their genitalia and refused to join their abdomen to some males, while being very ‘open’ to others (but did not quantify it).  

      (32) Line 571: The authors used a black permanent marker to modify wing patterns but did not validate whether butterflies perceive these modifications as equivalent to natural coloration. It is possible that the alterations introduced unintended visual cues and may explain why most males rejected the dummies (line 267). The authors should acknowledge this limitation here.

      We now acknowledge this limitation in the method (lines 638-639) and in the results section (lines 278-283).

      (33) Line 591: Insert 'above' after protocol.

      Corrected.

      (34) Line 605: If the authors included random effects in their model, then it should be generalized linear mixed model (GLMM) and not GLM as they wrote.

      We indeed included a random effect in our model accounting for male ID and trial number, we thus replaced “GLM” by “GLMM” in the manuscript.

      (35) Line 615: This set of analyses does not seem to account for pseudo-replication, as the data were recorded from the same male more than once (Line 583). Please clarify and redo the analysis with the GLMM framework

      We run new analyses using the GLMM framework: we used a binomial GLMM to test whether individuals preferentially interacted with dummy 1 vs. dummy 2 while accounting for pseudoreplication. The previously detected tendencies hold true with these new analyses, except for the visual mate discrimination of M. achilles: we now find statistical evidence that M. achilles tend to approach more their conspecifics during the mate choice experiment, although the signal is weak (line 297-307). Indeed, while we previously concluded that both species in sympatry (M. helenor and M. achilles) could not discriminate their conspecific mates, we now emphasize that M. achilles is somewhat sensitive to some visual signals. However, its estimated probability of approaching a conspecific is only 0.54, which is low compared to the estimated probability of approaching (0.61) or touching (0.84) a con-subspecific for M. bristowi. We thus concluded that even though some visual cues could be relevant for mate recognition, they are less reliable for male choice in sympatric populations were color patterns are more convergent, compared to allopatric populations. We thus updated Figure 4 and Figure S8 and S9, which are now picturing the probability of approaching or touching a conspecific or con-subspecific with the updated pvalues retrieved from the GLMM analyses. We also updated the results (line 297-307) and the discussion (lines 430-438) to bring nuance to our previous results.  

      (36) Line 963: Figure 3D. Is there a particular reason for comparing allopatric populations only within Ecuador rather than between Ecuador and French Guiana for M. helenor? Please clarify.

      We aimed at comparing the putative discrimination of blue coloration using visual models vs. what the butterflies actually discriminate using mate choice experiments. Since we only performed mate choice experiments involving M. h. bristowi x M. h. theodorus (allopatric populations within Ecuador) and M. h. helenor x M. a. achilles (sympatric population from Ecuador), we only looked at those comparisons using visual models. We added this precision lines (559-560).

      (37) Line 980: Are these predicted probabilities or just mean proportions as written in line 614? Then the label should be changed to 'Proportion of approaches' or something similar.

      Following our answer to recommendation #35, the points now represent the probability of touching a conspecific in the graph for each male, for every trial of every male tested. We corrected the legend of the figure. 

      Reviewer #2 (Recommendations for the authors):

      (1) Line 25: "...therefore facilitating co-existence in sympathy".

      Corrected.

      (2) Line 28: "contrasting" instead of contrasted.

      Corrected.

      (3) Line 33: begin a new sentence at the colon.

      Corrected.

      (4) Line 49: the phrase "habitat filtering" is unclear and should perhaps be defined or qualified.

      We replaced “habitat filtering” by its definition and cited Keddy (1992), describing the community assembly rules and defining habitat filtering (line 46)

      (5) Line 52: remove "even".

      Corrected.

      (6) Line 53: divergent suites may also result because traits are often constrained by genetic architecture (multivariate genetic covariances). This is discussed at length and specifically in relation to ornamental coloration by Kemp et al. 2023

      We rewrote the introduction and focused on only reviewing the ecological interactions promoting trait divergence in sympatric species, and did not mention genetics in this paper.

      (7) Line 87: (and throughout) refer to "colouration" or "colour pattern" rather than "colourations".

      Corrected.

      (8) Line 151: Remove "To do so,".

      Corrected.

      (9) Line 191: I would like to see the degrees of freedom for this test.

      We added the F-statistic=2.09 and the degrees of freedom df=1 of this test, and for all the following tests.

      (10) Line 201: (and throughout) replace "on" with "of".

      Corrected.

      (11) Line 205: modelling the visual properties of the wings allows one to infer what is theoretically visible/distinguishable. The modelling is useful but not necessarily definitive of vision/behaviour per se under different conditions in the wild. I therefore think it is appropriate to phrase the wording around the modelling approach more carefully. Perhaps refer to "theoretical" or "inferred" discriminability, or state (e.g.) that species should/should not be capable of perceiving differences based on the modelling data. You do this well in your wording of lines 207-209. This need not apply in the discussion because you're then dealing with the combination of modelling results and behaviour (mating trials).

      We agree with the reviewer that visual modelling only allows to infer what is theoretically discriminated by the butterflies, and that the wording of our sentence is confusing. We therefore modified the sentence to account for those precisions: “Morpho butterflies and predators can theoretically visually perceive the difference in the blue coloration between different subspecies of M. helenor…… using both bird and Morpho visual models” (line 206-209).

      (12) Line 222: Either the chi-square test or Fisher's exact test should be sufficient (why report both?)

      Chi-square test relies on large-sample assumptions (expected counts>5) whereas Fischer’s exact test does not and is valid even with small or unbalanced sample sizes. Since the M. bristowi female/M. h. theodorus male paring only occurred 3 times, we do not meet the primary assumptions to apply a Chi-square test, although it is significant. We used a Fischer’s test to confirm the results. Using both and finding that both tests are significant shows that the results are robust, although they may appear redundant. To simplify, we remove the results of the Chisquare test and only keep the Fisher’s test in the methodology and the results.

      (13) Line 224 (and throughout): Degrees of freedom should be provided for statistical tests.

      We reported the statistic value and the degrees of freedom for all mentions of the statistical tests in the main text, except for the Fischer test which does not rely on an asymptotic distribution like the Chi-squared distribution as it is an exact test.

      (14) Lines 266-267: This sentence has interest, but it is rather vague at present. Wouldn't your controls account for the effect of manipulation? This could be explained further.

      During our mate choice experiments, all Morpho female dummies used for the experiments were painted with black markers, either on their dorsal blue band to modify their blue iridescent phenotype, or on their ventral side, thus controlling for the effect of manipulation. However, we cannot rule out that the modification of the dorsal blue iridescence could have had a “repulsive” effect for males for several reasons. For example, depending on the visual discrimination of darker colors by Morphos, the painted black band could have a slightly different color compared to the dark “brown” usually surrounding their blue iridescent patterns. We now explain this in the results (lines 278-283) and in the methodology (lines 638-639)  

      (15) Line 316: I'm not certain that the similarity is best described as "striking", given a P-value of 0.084 for this contrast

      We agree with the reviewer and removed this adjective for this line.

      (16) Lines 387-390: This sentence is puzzling because, theoretically speaking, we should expect selection on visual preference to be heightened (not relaxed) in sympatry if colouration isincluded among the traits used in mate selection. I'm not certain I have understood the meaning here.

      We would like to thank the reviewer for pointing out this typo. If shared predatory pressures favors convergent evolution of color pattern, then the visual signals become less reliable for species recognition. As a result, sexual selection on visual preference is heightened and becomes stronger, favoring the evolution of alternative cues used to discriminate conspecific mates. We changed the sentence and now write “the convergent evolution of iridescent wing patterns… may have negatively impact visual discrimination and favored the evolution of divergent olfactory cues” (lines 457-458).

      (17) Line 529: Mating experiments. Given that these are quite large butterflies, I wondered whether a 3x3x2m cage would be sufficient in size to allow the expression of male courtship. A brief description of the courtship behaviour in these species or Morphos generally would be a useful addition to the paper.

      A cage this size was enough for the males to express a flight behavior similar to what can be seen in nature, while also being able to see the females (live females or dummies). We tried to perform mate experiments in a larger cage (7m x 5m x 3m) but the trials were not conclusive because male did not find the dummies depending on where they were flying in the cage. A 3mx3mx2m cage is a good compromise maximizing interactions while still allowing enough space to fly. We now describe Morpho male behavior and female behavior in the methods (lines 613-618).

      (18) Line 546: Why are both tests needed (chi-square AND Fisher's exact)?

      Similarly to our answer on recommendations #12, were used both tests to show robustness in the statistical results. We only kept the Fisher’s test results to simplify the results.

    1. bootstrap resample and the resulting metrics presented as risk ratios along with their bootstrap distribution.

      Kan man tänka sig att SAH-patienterna följs upp mycket bättre än en generell IVA-kohort. Dvs att det finns en diagnostik-bias eller vad det nu kan heta. SAH får oftare uppföljning hos dr Alpqvist, Lundberg, Svensson som är inkännande och sätter in AD? Gubben med dille får uppföljning vid behov? Om ja så kanske man kan gräva i det och jämföra med en annan omhuldad grupp. Alternativt testa med “negativ kontroll”. Välj ett LM som INTE är kopplat till depression. Typ Omeprazol. Eller nåt vanligt blodtrycksläkemedel. Om SAH också har en ökad förskrivning av detta icke-depressionskopplade läkemedel så indikerar det på att de bara följs upp mer och bättre och inte givet har mer depressioner. /JE Fundera och regionala skillnader??? /LH

      Jag vet inte hur generella IVA-pat följs upp men SAH-pat har en enormt standard uppföljning och kontroll-schema sedan 2005. Samtliga inkluderas i neurorehab-kedja, samtliga har åt 3 mån + 1år hos ansv neurokir. Samtliga har en uppföljning via neurorehab i öppen-vård, efter utskrivning från inneliggande neurorehab och därefter går remissen till husläkare. ALLA aSAH pat som är yrkesföra (dvs inte pensionärer) får en sjuksrivningsperiod om minst 100% i 3 mån /PA

    2. 180

      Är det inte rimligare att räkna med 1 år innan? Om frågeställningen är om SAH inducerar egentlig depression så känns 3 mån innan lite väl snålt. En del pat kommer då ha förskrivning hemma och vara under diagnosen depression, men inte under behandling. Rimligare och jmf med diagnoskod ICD för depression? /PA

    3. Using the nationwide study cohort, selection of aSAH cases were subsequently performed using the steps seen in Figure 1 (SQL source code available in Supplementary Materials).

      Här tycker jag det finns utrymme för att betona selektionen. I60-I60.9 inkluderar även blödning pga fistlar, AVM med blödning utan parenkymblödning samt dissektionsorsakad blödning. I text tycker jag det ska beskrivas även och inte bara ref till supplementary. Räknar jag grovt blir detta incidens om 7/100000/år, vilket är i överkant mtp att vi idag snarare har sjukhusbehandlad incidens omkring 3/100000/år sedan 2010.

    1. Reviewer #1 (Public review):

      Summary:

      In this manuscript, the authors demonstrate for the first time that opioid signaling has opposing effects on the same target neuron depending on the source of the input. Further, the authors provide evidence to support the role of potassium channels in regulating a brake on glutamatergic and cholinergic signaling, with the latter finding being developmentally regulated and responsive to opioid treatment. This evidence solves a conundrum regarding cholinergic signaling in the interpeduncular nucleus that evaded elucidation for many years.

      Strengths:

      This manuscript provides 3 novel and important findings that significantly advance our understanding of the medial habenula-interpeduncular circuitry:

      (1) Mu opioid receptor activation (mOR) reduces postsynaptic glutamatergic currents elicited from substance P neurons while simultaneously enhancing postsynaptic glutamatergic currents from cholinergic neurons, with the latter being developmentally regulated.

      (2) Substance P neurons from the Mhb provide functional input to the rostral nucleus of the IPN, in addition to the previously characterized lateral nuclei.

      (3) Potassium channels (Kv1.2) provide a break on neurotransmission in the IPN,

      The findings here suggest that the authors have identified a novel mechanism for the normal function of neurotransmission in the IPN, so it would be expected to be observable in almost any animal. In the revised manuscript, the authors put forth significant effort to increase the n, thus increasing the confidence in the observations.

      There are also significant sex differences in nAChR expression in the IPN that might not be functionally apparent using the low n presented here. In the revised manuscript, the authors increased the n, and provided data to the reviewers that no significant sex differences were apparent, although there was a trend. Future studies should examine sex differences in detail.

      There are also some particularly novel observations that are presented but not followed up on, and this creates a somewhat disjointed story. For example, in Figure 2, the authors identify neurons in which no response is elicited by light stimulation of ChAT-neurons, but application of DAMGO (mOR agonist) un-silences these neurons. Are there baseline differences in the electrophysiological or morphological properties of these "silent" neurons compared to the responsive neurons? In the revised manuscript, the authors directly tested this with new experiments in SST+ neurons in the IPN, demonstrating convincingly that mOR activation unsilences these neurons.

      With the revisions, the authors have addressed the reviewers' concerns and significantly improved the manuscript. I find no further weaknesses.

    2. Reviewer #3 (Public review):

      Summary:

      Here the authors describe the role of mORs in synaptic glutamate release from substance P and cholinergic neurons in the medial habenula to interpeduncular nucleus (IPN) circuit in adult mice. They show that mOR activation reduces evoked glutamate release from substance P neurons yet increases evoked glutamate release and Ach release from cholinergic neurons. Unlike glutamate release, Ach release is only detected when potassium channels are blocked with 4-AP or dendrotoxin. The authors also report a previously unidentified glutamatergic input to IPR from SP neurons and describe the developmental timing of mOR- facilitation in adolescent mice.

      Strengths:

      - The experiments provide new insight into the role of mORs in controlling evoked glutamate release in a circuit with high levels of mORs and established roles in relevant behaviors.

      - The experiments are rigorous, and the results are clear cut. The conclusions are supported by the data.

      - The findings will be of interest to those working in the field of synaptic transmission and those interested in the function of the medial habenula or interpeduncular nucleus, as well as those seeking to understand the role of opioids on normal and pathological behaviors.

      Weaknesses:

      - The mechanistic underpinnings of these interesting and novel results are not pursued.

    1. Reviewer #3 (Public review):

      Summary:

      Lin et al report on the dynamic localization of EXOC6A and Myo-Va at pre-ciliary vesicles, ciliary vesicles, and ciliary sheath membrane during ciliogenesis using three-dimensional structured illumination microscopy and ultrastructure expansion microscopy. The authors further confirm the interaction of EXOC6A and Myo-Va by co-immunoprecipitation experiments and demonstrated the requirement of EHD1 for the EXOC6A-labeled ciliary vesicles formation. Additional experiments using gene-silencing by siRNA and pharmacological tools identified the involvement of dynein-, microtubule-, and actin in the transport mechanism of EXOC6A-labeled vesicles to the centriole, as they have previously reported for Myo-Va. Notably, loss of EXOC6A severely disrupts ciliogenesis, with the majority of cells becoming arrested at the ciliary vesicle (CV) stage, highlighting the involvement of EXOC6A at later stages of ciliogenesis. As the authors observe dynamic EXOC6A-positive vesicle release and fusion with the ciliary sheath, this suggests a role in membrane and potentially membrane protein delivery to the growing cilium past the ciliary vesicle stage. While CEP290 localization at the forming cilium appears normal, the recruitment of other transition zone components, exemplified by several MKS and NPHP module components, was also impaired in EXOC6A-deficient cells.

      Strengths:

      (1) By applying different microscopy approaches, the study provides deeper insight into the spatial and temporal localization of EXOC6A and Myo-Va during ciliogenesis.

      (2) The combination of complementary siRNA and pharmacological tools targeting different components strengthens the conclusions.

      (3) This study reveals a new function of EXOC6A in delivering membrane and membrane proteins during ciliogenesis, both to the ciliary vesicle as well as to the ciliary sheath.

      (4) The overall data quality is high. The investigation of EXOC6A at different time points during ciliogenesis is well schematized and explained.

      Weaknesses:

      (1) Since many conclusions are based on EXOC6A immunostaining, it would strengthen the study to validate antibody specificity by demonstrating the absence of staining in EXOC6A-deficient cells.

      (2) While the authors generated an EXOC6A-deficient cell line, off-target effects can be clone-specific. Validating key experiments in a second independent knockout clone or rescuing the phenotype of the existing clone by re-expressing EXOC6A would ensure that the observed phenotypes are due to EXOC6A loss rather than unintended off-target effects.

      (3) Some experimental details are lacking from the materials and methods section. No information on how the co-immunoprecipitation experiments have been performed can be found. The concentrations of pharmacological agents should be provided to allow proper interpretation of the results, as higher or lower doses can produce nonspecific effects. For example, the concentrations of ciliobrevin and nocodazole used to treat RPE1 cells are not specified and should be included. More precise settings for the FRAP experiments would help others reproduce the presented data. Some details for the siRNA-based knockdowns, such as incubation times, can only be found in the figure legends.

      Taken together, the authors achieved their goal of elucidating the role of EXOC6A in ciliogenesis, demonstrating its involvement in vesicle trafficking and membrane remodeling in both early and late stages of ciliogenesis. Their findings are supported by experimental evidence. This work is likely to have an impact on the field by expanding our understanding of the molecular machinery underlying cilia biogenesis, particularly the coordination between the exocyst complex and cytoskeletal transport systems. The methods and data presented offer valuable tools for dissecting vesicle dynamics and cilium formation, providing a foundation for future research into ciliary dysfunction and related diseases. By connecting vesicle trafficking to structural maturation of an organelle, the study adds important context to the broader description of cellular architecture and organelle biogenesis.

    1. Reviewer #2 (Public review):

      Summary:

      In this study, Gamen et al. investigated the roles of hypoxia and HIF1a signaling in regulating epicardial function during cardiac development and neonatal heart regeneration. The authors identified hypoxic regions in the epicardium during development and demonstrated that genetic and pharmacological stabilization of HIF1a during neonatal heart injury prolonged epicardial activation, preserved myocardium, enhanced infarct resolution, and maintained cardiac function beyond the normal postnatal regenerative window.

      Strengths:

      HIF1a signaling was manipulated in an epicardium-specific manner using appropriate genetic tools.

      Weaknesses:

      Some conclusions still need clarification.

      Comments on revisions:

      (1) The authors' comment on the partial overlap of HP1 and HIF1a IF signals (HIF1a is highly unstable ... broader regions of hypoxia) is reasonable and would help readers interpret the data if included in the text describing Fig. 1.

      (2) The conclusion regarding WT1+ cells in Fig. 2a and b remains unclear. Both panels display larger and smaller magenta cells, and when all are taken into account, the overall number does not appear substantially different. Additional clarification is needed on how the quantification was performed.

      (3) Regarding Figure 6-figure supplement 1c, it seems difficult to conclude the endothelial identity of WT1+ cells based on EMCN staining, as the markers do not overlap. The authors note that WT1 is upregulated in endothelial cells, but this has been reported in the context of injury, which differs from the context of the present study involving Molidustat.

    2. Reviewer #3 (Public review):

      Summary:

      The author's research here was to understand the role of hypoxia and hypoxia-induced transcription factors Hif-1a in the epicardium. The authors noted that hypoxia was prevalent in the embryonic heart and this persisted into neonatal stages until post natal day 7 (P7). Hypoxic regions in the heart were noted in the outer layer of the heart and expression of Hif-1a coincided with the epicardial gene WT1. It has been documented that at P7, the mouse heart cannot regenerate after myocardial infarction and the authors speculated that the change in epicardial hypoxic conditions could play a role in regeneration. The authors then used genetic and pharmacological tools to increase the activity of Hif genes in the heart and noted that there was a significant improvement in cardiac function when Hif-1a was active in the epicardium. The authors speculated that the presence of Hif-1a improved cell survival.

      Strengths:

      A focus on hypoxia and its effects on the epicardium in development and after myocardial infraction. This study outlines a potential to extend the regenerative time window in neonatal mammalian hearts.

      Weaknesses:

      While the observations of improved cardiac function is clear, the exact mechanism of how increased Hif-1a activity causes these effects is not completely revealed. The authors mention improved myocardium survival, but do not include studies to demonstrate this.

      There is an indication that fibrosis is decreased in hearts where Hif activity is prolonged, but there are no studies to link hypoxia and fibrosis.

      Comments on revisions:

      In the manuscript revision, the authors address my comments. They outline differences between genetic disruption of Phd2 and chemical inactivation could be due to dosing and drug half-life of Molidustat. The other comments are addressed by explaining that they have analyzed enough heart sections and hearts to come to their conclusions. The authors also state they cannot generate more numbers for this study, therefore I accept their conclusions as stated.

    3. Author response:

      The following is the authors’ response to the original reviews

      eLife Assessment

      This valuable study investigates the role of HIF1a signalling in epicardial activation and neonatal heart regeneration in mice. Through a combination of genetic and pharmacological approaches, the authors show that stabilization of HIF1a enhances epicardial activation and extends the regenerative capacity of the heart beyond the typical neonatal window following myocardial infarction (MI). However, several aspects of the study remain incomplete and would benefit from further clarification and additional experimental support to solidify the conclusions.

      We reveal herein prolonged epicardial activation following myocardial infarction (MI) beyond post-natal days 1-7 (P1-P7) by genetic or pharmacological stabilisation of HIF-signalling. This extends the so-called “regenerative window” during an adult-like response to injury, leading to enhanced survived myocardium and functional improvement of the heart, even against a backdrop of persistent, albeit reduced, fibrosis. The epicardium is known to enhance cardiomyocyte proliferation and myocardial growth during heart development via trophic growth factor (for example, IGF-1, FGF, VEGF, TGFβ and BMP) signalling (reviewed in PMID:29592950) and epicardium-derived cell-conditioned medium reduces infarct size and improves heart function (PMID: 21505261). Further experiments, outside of the scope of the current study, are required to determine whether activated neonatal epicardium elicits similar paracrine support to sustain the myocardium and heart function after injury beyond P7 into adulthood.

      Public Reviews:

      Reviewer #1 (Public review):

      Summary:

      The manuscript by Gamen et al. analyzed the functional role of HIF signaling in the epicardium, providing evidence that stabilization of the hypoxia signaling pathway might contribute to neonatal heart regeneration. By generating different conditionally mouse mutants and performing pharmacological interventions, the authors demonstrate that stabilizing HIF signaling enhances cardiac regeneration after MI in P7 neonatal hearts.

      Strengths:

      The study presents convincing genetic and pharmacological approaches to the role of hypoxia signaling in enhancing the regenerative potential of the epicardium.

      Weaknesses:

      The major weakness is the lack of convincing evidence demonstrating the role of hypoxia signaling in EMT modulation in epicardial cells. Additionally, novel experimental approaches should be performed to allow for the translation of these findings to the clinical arena.

      We respectfully disagree that we have not convincingly demonstrated a role for HIF-signalling in promoting epicardial EMT. We adopt epicardial explant assays utilising a well characterised ex vivo protocol previously described for studying EMT in embryonic, neonatal and adult epicardium (PMID: 27023710, PMID: 12297106; PMID: 17108969, PMID: 19235142). These assays demonstrate in WT1<sup>CreERT2</sup>;Phd2<sup>fl/fl</sup> explants enhanced cobblestone to spindle-like change in cell morphology, increased cell migration, appearance of stress fibres and an up-regulation of the mesenchymal marker alpha-smooth muscle actin (αSMA); all parameters associated with EMT. In addition, our in vivo analyses of Wt1<sup>CreERT2</sup>;Phd2<sup>fl/fl</sup> hearts, in response to neonatal injury, reveal elevated numbers of WT1+ epicardial cells within the sub-epicardial region and underlying myocardium as is associated with active EMT and subsequent migration from the epicardium.

      Reviewer #2 (Public review):

      Summary:

      In this study, Gamen et al. investigated the roles of hypoxia and HIF1a signaling in regulating epicardial function during cardiac development and neonatal heart regeneration. They found that WT1<sup>+</sup> epicardial cells become hypoxic and begin expressing HIF1a from mid-gestation onward. During development, epicardial HIF1a signaling regulates WT1 expression and promotes coronary vasculature formation. In the postnatal heart, genetic and pharmacological upregulation of HIF1a sustained epicardial activation and improved regenerative outcomes.

      Strengths:

      HIF1a signaling was manipulated in an epicardium-specific manner using appropriate genetic tools.

      Weaknesses:

      There appears to be a discrepancy between some of the conclusions and the provided histological data. Additionally, the study does not offer mechanistic insight into the functional recovery observed.

      We respectfully disagree with the comment that our histological data does not support our conclusions and expand on this in the response to specific reviewer comments. We agree that further mechanistic experiments outside of the scope of the current study are required to identify precisely how activated neonatal epicardium results in increased healthy myocardium after injury beyond post-natal day 7 (P7).

      Reviewer #3 (Public review):

      Summary:

      The authors' research here was to understand the role of hypoxia and hypoxia-induced transcription factor Hif-1a in the epicardium. The authors noted that hypoxia was prevalent in the embryonic heart, and this persisted into neonatal stages until postnatal day 7 (P7). Hypoxic regions in the heart were noted in the outer layer of the heart, and expression of Hif-1a coincided with the epicardial gene WT1. It has been documented that at P7, the mouse heart cannot regenerate after myocardial infarction, and the authors speculated that the change in epicardial hypoxic conditions could play a role in regeneration. The authors then used genetic and pharmacological tools to increase the activity of Hif genes in the heart and noted that there was a significant improvement in cardiac function when Hif-1a was active in the epicardium. The authors speculated that the presence of Hif-1a improved cell survival.

      Strengths:

      A focus on hypoxia and its effects on the epicardium in development and after myocardial infarction. This study outlines the potential to extend the regenerative time window in neonatal mammalian hearts.

      We thank the reviewer for this positive endorsement and recognition of the importance of mechanistic insight into how to extend the window of neonatal heart regeneration.

      Weaknesses:

      While the observations of improved cardiac function are clear, the exact mechanism of how increased Hif-1a activity causes these effects is not completely revealed. The authors mention improved myocardium survival, but do not include studies to demonstrate this.

      We report an increase in healthy myocardium arising from prolonged activation of the epicardium during the neonatal window and following injury at post-natal day 7 (P7). We speculate this recapitulates the role of the epicardium during heart development which is known to be a source of trophic growth factors that can enhance myocardial growth. Further experiments are required, out-of-scope of this study, to define a mechanistic link between HIF-signalling, epicardial activation and myocardial survival in the setting of prolonged neonatal heart regeneration.

      There is an indication that fibrosis is decreased in hearts where Hif activity is prolonged, but there are no studies to link hypoxia and fibrosis.

      We believe the decreased fibrosis is a natural consequence of the increase in survived myocardium arising from the activated epicardium. There is strong precedent here following injury at post-natal day 1 (P1) in which fibrosis is evident early-on but is resolved over time with growth of the myocardium in the regenerating heart (PMID: 23248315).

      Recommendations for the authors:

      Reviewing Editor Comments:

      (1) Address issues related to image quality, colocalization, sample labeling, appropriate controls, and quantification - particularly in Figures 1, 2, 6, and Supplementary Figure 9. Increase sample size as noted by reviewers.

      The issues of co-localisation and sample labelling have been addressed under response to reviewers. We are unable to increase sample numbers but have clarified the number of regions per section and numbers of sections per heart analysed where appropriate.

      (2) Clarify the effects of epicardial HIF1a activation on neovascularization.

      We have removed reference in the abstract to an effect on neovascularisation.

      (3) Extend assessments of epicardial hypoxia and HIF1a expression to earlier embryonic stages, when epicardial EMT is more active.

      Our earliest timepoint of E12.5 marks the onset of epicardial EMT and E13.5 is the stage with the most significant mobilisation of epicardium-derived cells (EPDCs) into the sub-epicardial region and underlying myocardium (PMID: 32359445). In the same study, E11.5 lineage tracing of epicardial cells is restricted to outer layer of the heart; thus, our timepoints are representative in capturing both the onset and progression of in vivo EMT.

      (4) Strengthen EMT assays and mechanistic modeling. Provide evidence from physiologically relevant models, as current 2D culture assays do not adequately support conclusions about EMT. Include additional EMT markers and quantification where appropriate.

      We respectfully disagree that epicardial explants are not a valid assay for assessing EMT. As noted under responses to reviewers, such primary explants have been widely described elsewhere (PMID: 27023710, PMID: 12297106; PMID: 17108969, PMID: 19235142) and enable documentation of multiple parameters that are associated with active EMT, including an assessment of the extent of cell migration, cobblestone (epithelial) to spindle-like (mesenchymal) cell morphologies, stress fibre formation and expression of alpha-smooth muscle actin as a mesenchymal marker. We support our findings in explants by revealing reduced WT1+ epicardium-derived cells (EPDCs) in the sub-epicardial region and underlying myocardium of WT1<sup>CreERT2/+</sup>;Hif1a<sup>fl/fl</sup> embryonic hearts (data in Figure 2) indicative of impaired epicardial EMT and migration of EPDCs and in vivo following neonatal MI with pharmacological inhibition of PHD2, where we observe the reciprocal phenotype of increased numbers of epicardium-derived cells emerging from the outer epicardial layer (data in Figure 6).

      (5) Strengthen mechanistic insights into the role of epicardial cells in the functional recovery observed in MI hearts.

      We agree that further experiments are required, out-of-scope of this study, to define a mechanistic link between HIF-signalling, epicardial activation and myocardial survival in the setting of prolonged neonatal heart regeneration.

      Reviewer #1 (Recommendations for the authors):

      The manuscript by Gamen et al. analyzed the functional role of HIF signaling in the epicardium, providing evidence that stabilization of the hypoxia signaling pathway might contribute to neonatal heart regeneration. By generating different conditionally mouse mutants and performing pharmacological interventions, the authors demonstrate that stabilizing HIF signaling enhances cardiac regeneration after MI in P7 neonatal hearts. The study is potentially interesting, but it presents several major caveats.

      (1) One of the critical points reported in the early stages of this study is the early co-localization of Wt1, the hypoxic report (HP1), and HIF signaling pathways master regulators (i.e., HIF1a and HIF1b) during embryonic development. Figure 1 is meant to report such findings. However, unfortunately, I hardly see any co-localization at all in the Wt1+ epicardial cells for HP1, with some colocalization is seen for HIF1 and 2 alpha, although none of these data are quantified. Thus, it is hard to believe such co-localization.

      We respectfully disagree with this comment. We highlight cells in Figure 1 that are co-stained for WT1+ and HP1. In addition, we identify HIF1-α and HIF2- α positive cells which either reside within the epicardium, as the outer cell layer, or within the underlying sub-epicardial region, respectfully.

      (2) The authors claimed that they have analyzed the expression of the hypoxic report, as well as Wt1 and the HIF signaling pathways master regulators (i.e., HIF1a and HIF1b) in the AV groove, as compared to the apex, in embryonic heart ranging from E12.5 to E18.5 (Figure 1). Unfortunately, all images provided that are tagged as AV groove are rather misleading. They do not represent the AV groove but part of the right ventricular free wall. If the authors want to refer to the AV groove, AV cushions should be visible underneath.

      We have removed specific reference to the AV groove and refer to the highlighted regions as the “Base” of the heart.

      (3) The authors analyzed the hypoxic condition of the developing heart from E12.5 to E18.5. However, it remains unclear why the authors only explored the hypoxic conditions from E12.5 onwards, since epicardial EMT mainly occurs earlier than this time point, i.e., E10.5 onwards. Therefore, it would be needed to explore it already at this earlier time point.

      We respectfully disagree with the reviewer and refer to the comment above regarding the fact that E12.5 marks the onset of epicardial EMT and E13.5 is the stage with the most significant mobilisation of epicardium-derived cells (EPDCs) into the sub-epicardial region and underlying myocardium (PMID: 32359445).

      (4) The authors reported a conditional mouse model of HIF1alpha deletion by using the Wt1CreERT2 driver. Curiously, Wt1 is dependent on hypoxia signaling (i.e., HIF1a). Therefore, it is unclear whether there is a negative feedback loop between the deletion of Hif1alpha and the activation of the Cre driver might have functional consequences. Convincing evidence should be provided that such crosstalk does not interfere with Hif1alpha inactivation, and therefore, appropriate controls should be run in parallel.

      We discount a negative feedback loop in this instance based on the fact we have utilised heterozygous mice for the WT1<sup>CreERT2/+</sup> line and observe a consistent and reproducible phenotype for the developing hearts on a Wt1<sup>CreERT2/+</sup>;Hif1a<sup>fl/fl</sup> background and following injury in Wt1<sup>CreERT2/+</sup>;Phd2<sup>fl/fl</sup> mice. Collectively this indicates that the WT1-CreERT2 driver is active in the context of diminishing HIF-1α and Phd2, respectively. In addition, have carried out parallel experiments using epicardial explants derived from R26R-CreERT2;Phd2<sup>fl/fl</sup> (Figure 3) to circumvent any potential confounding issues; the results of which are consistent with increased epicardial EMT in support of our overall hypothesis.

      (5) On Figure 2a-f the authors reported that epicardial cells are diminished in Wt1CreERT2Hif1alpha mice as compared to controls. I am very sorry, but I do not see any difference. Furthermore, it is unclear to me how the authors quantified such differences, i.e., what marker signal did they use and how it was performed (Figure 2c and d)?

      We respectfully disagree with the reviewer and draw attention to the single channel panels of WT1+ staining in Figure 2, which show clear differences between numbers of epicardial cells in the mutant mice compared to controls (comparing magenta cells in panels a) versus b). Quantification was carried out for numbers of WT1+ cells residing within the PDPN-positive epicardium (and underlying PDPN-negative myocardium) across multiple images from multiple sections and multiple hearts.

      (6) On Figure 2g, the authors reported differences in total vessel length. Are they referring to impaired microvasculature development? Or is this analysis also including major coronary vessels? What about the major coronary vessels and trees, is there any affection?

      This analysis refers to the microvasculature and not the major coronary arteries or coronary trees.

      (7) The authors reported that there might be some differences in EMT markers, but unfortunately, all of them are analyzed on 2D cultures, where no substrate for EMT is present, i.e., an underlying ECM bed. Thus, the authors cannot claim that EMT is altered. Additional experiments using either collagen substrate and/or Matrigel are required to fully demonstrate that EMT is impaired. Furthermore, quantitative analyses of such differences should be provided.

      The 2D cultures are epicardial explants from mutant versus wild type hearts and represent a widely adopted previously published ex-vivo assay for investigating epicardial EMT across embryonic to adult stages (PMID: 27023710, PMID: 12297106; PMID: 17108969, PMID: 19235142); including an assessment of the extent of migration and cobblestone (epithelial) to spindle-like (mesenchymal) cell morphologies, stress fibre formation and expression of alpha-smooth muscle actin as a mesenchymal marker. We do not understand the comment regarding an “underlying ECM bed” as the cells exhibit EMT routinely on tissue culture plastic and will deposit their own ECM during the culture time course and in response to EMT/cell migration. In terms of quantification this was carried out for scratch assay experiments, as a proxy for EMT and emergent mesenchymal cell migration, as presented in Figure 3i, j with significant enhanced scratch closure and cell migration following Molidustat treatment.

      (8) The description of data provided on Supplementary Figure 5 is spurious and should be removed. A note in the discussion might be sufficient.

      We respectfully disagree. The ChIP-seq data, in what is now Figure 2- figure supplement 3, highlights a HIF-1 α binding site within the Wt1 locus suggesting putative upstream regulation of WT1 by HIF-1α. Thus this provides a potential explanation as to how HIF-1α may activate the epicardium through up-regulation of Wt1/WT1.

      (9) On Figure 3, the authors further illustrate the change of EMT markers using ex vivo cardiac explants. They reported increased expression of Snai2 that, although statistically significant, is most likely of no biological relevance (increase of only 20% at transcript level). What about Snai1, Prrx1, and other EMT promoters? Are they also induced? As previously stated, these 2D cultures do not provide supporting evidence that EMT is occurring, thus 3D gel assays should be performed in which Z-axis analyses will provide evidence on the different migratory behaviour of those cells.

      We respectfully suggest that a 20% change in snai2 expression is biologically meaningful with respect to EMT. This in-turn is supported by associated cell migration, reduced ZO-1 expression, increased stress fibres and increased alpha-SMA as a mesenchymal marker; all properties associated with active EMT. Other suggested markers have not been validated as formally required for EMT, for example Snai1 (PMID: 23097346). The migratory capacity of targeted versus epicardial cells was assessed by combined explant and scratch assay experiments.

      (10) The description of single-cell analyses is very incomplete. Which mice were used for these analyses, wildtype control, or hypoxic mice? Please provide a clearer description of the samples used. Additionally, the entire rationale of these analyses is dubious. Doing single-cell analyses to analyze a couple or three markers in a very small cell population is rather ridiculous. qPCR might be far more appropriate and convincing, or a bulk RNAseq analysis of isolated epicardial cells.

      The single-cell analyses represent an unbiased assessment of different pathways in epicardial cells (identified bioinformatically) between intact P1 and P7 stages in wild type (control) hearts, with a focus on hypoxia-related gene expression and HIF-dependent pathways. It was not designed to analyse a small number of genes, rather global differences in the hypoxic states between P1 and P7 hearts. Selected genes (Vegfa, Pdk3, Egln 1 (Phd2)) were analysed to highlight the key differences in hypoxic signalling across the regenerative window. The fact the hearts were uninjured/intact is clarified in the text and legends for Figure 4 and now Figure 4-figure supplement 1.

      (11) The analyses provided in Figure 5 are very interesting and their findings are very relevant. However, I would think that the complementary experimental approach should also be done, i.e, MI followed by activation with tamoxifen, since that situation would be more realistic in the clinical setting.

      Tamoxifen causes respiratory failure in neonates with MI, so the two cannot be combined at the same time or soon after surgery. Moreover, tamoxifen takes significant time to take effect on targeted gene down-regulation which may negate sufficient activation of the epicardium following injury.

      The experiments in Figure 5 were designed to demonstrate that prolonged heart regeneration could be elicited in a cell-specific (epicardial-specific) manner via a genetic approach. The pharmacological experiments in Figure 6 are complementary in this regard by demonstrating equivalent effects with drug (Molidustat) delivery to reduce PHD2 and stabilise HIF post-MI.

      (12) In Figure 6, expression of Wt1 is highly prominent in P7 controls, mainly restricted to the epicardial lining while in the experimental setting, such Wt1 expression is broadly distributed on the subepicardial space, nicely demonstrating epicardial activation. However, it is very surprising to see such Wt1 expression in controls, something that is not expected, as compared to the data reported in Figure 4g. Could the authors please reconcile these findings?

      Figure 6 represents the injury setting and Figure 4g the intact setting (as clarified above, in the text and revised figure legends). Hence in the latter WT1 expression is significantly reduced in the P7 heart, as anticipated. With injury at P7 we anticipate activation of WT1 in control hearts, albeit restricted to the epicardial layer (as occurs in adult hearts, PMID: 21505261). In contrast, following Molidustat-treatment of P7 hearts post-MI we observe extensive epicardial expansion into the sub-epicardial region and EPDC migration into the underlying myocardium (Figure 6b).

      Reviewer #2 (Recommendations for the authors):

      The role of hypoxia and HIF1a signaling in epicardial activation is an important topic, and the genetic approaches employed in this study are appropriate. However, several aspects of the study remain unclear and would benefit from further clarification or explanation by the authors:

      (1) The authors detected hypoxic regions using an anti-pimonidazole fluorescence-conjugated monoclonal antibody (HP1). The data would become more compelling if negative and positive controls were provided.

      We believe the HP1 staining is compelling in the images shown and is consistent with hypoxic regions of the developing heart. We reveal HP1 staining at cellular resolution with neighbouring cells positive and negative for the HP1 signal in the apex of the heart and within the epicardium and sub-epicardial regions at E12.5 (Figure 1a) and diminished/altered hypoxic/HP1 regional signal through subsequent developmental stages at E14.5-18.5 (Figure 1a-d).

      (2) Many HIF1a-positive cells in the AV groove region do not appear to overlap with HP1 staining (Figure 1a). Providing a low-magnification image of HIF1α expression would be helpful to better assess the extent of overlap with HP1 staining

      HIF-1 is highly unstable and hence detection of HIF-1+ cells will likely only sample of cells compared to HP1 which is a surrogate for broader regions of hypoxia.

      (3) Although the authors conclude that epicardial HIF1a deletion results in a significant reduction of WT1⁺ cells in both the epicardium and myocardium (Figure 2a-d), the provided images are not sufficiently clear to fully support this interpretation. Providing additional evidence to support this conclusion would be helpful.

      We respectfully disagree with the reviewer and draw attention to the single channel panels of WT1+ staining which show clear differences between numbers of epicardial cells in the mutant mice compared to controls (Figure 2a versus 2b; magenta WT1+ staining).

      (4) Similar to the point raised above, the authors' conclusion regarding the increased expression of WT1 following Molidustat treatment does not appear to be fully supported by the provided images (Figure 6b-f). Immunofluorescence staining for WT1 does not clearly demonstrate epicardial expression in the remote zone of either the control or Molidustat-treated hearts. In addition, while an increase of WT1<sup>+</sup> cells is observed in the infarct zone of the Molidustat-treated heart, it is somewhat unexpected that such expansion is not evident in the corresponding region of the control heart, given that epicardial cells typically expand near the infarct area. Clarification on these points would be helpful.

      Figure 6b reveals WT1 expression in controls (upper panel set) that is reactivated proximal to the infarct region, given WT1 is not expressed in adult epicardium but restricted to the epicardial layer (as occurs in injured adult mouse hearts PMID: 21505261). This contrasts with what is observed in the Molidustat-treated P7 hearts post-MI, where we observe epicardial expansion and migration of WT1+ cells into the underlying myocardium (Figure 6b, lower panel set, infarct zone).

      (5) The authors conclude that WT1<sup>+</sup> cells in the myocardial tissue exhibit endothelial identity based on the colocalization of WT1 and EMCN signals (Supplementary Figure 9c). However, this interpretation is difficult to assess, as WT1 is a nuclear marker and EMCN is a membrane protein, which makes precise colocalization challenging to confirm with confidence. Additional supporting evidence may be necessary to substantiate this conclusion.

      WT1 is known to be up regulated in endothelial cells in response to injury as shown previously in several studies (for example, PMID: 25681586). Here we show clear co-localisation of nuclear WT1 and cytoplasmic Endomucin (EMCN) in what is now Figure 6- figure supplement 1c and would encourage the reviewer and readers to magnify the image by zooming-in on the relevant co-stained panel.

      (6) The authors conclude that activation of epicardial HIF1a signaling has no effect on neovascularization in postnatal MI hearts (Figure 5c). However, the abstract states: "Finally, a combination of genetic and pharmacological stabilisation of HIF ... increased vascularisation, augmented infarct resolution and preserved function beyond the 7-day regenerative window" (Lines 38-41). Clarification regarding this apparent discrepancy would be appreciated.

      The abstract has been altered to remove the statement of increased vascularisation.

      (7) The study appears somewhat incomplete, as it lacks mechanistic insight into the functional recovery observed following epicardial Phd2 deletion and Molidustat treatment in postnatal MI hearts. Although the authors suggest a potential paracrine role of the epicardium in protecting cardiomyocytes from apoptosis, this hypothesis has not been experimentally addressed. Incorporating such analysis would help to reinforce the study's conclusions.

      Further experiments are required, which are out-of-scope of this study, to define a mechanistic link between the genetic or pharmacological stabilisation of HIF-signalling, epicardial activation and myocardial survival in the setting of prolonged neonatal heart regeneration.

      Other points:

      (1) Providing single-channel images for Figures 1a-d and 6g would be helpful for clarity and interpretation.

      We believe the combined channel views of co-staining for two markers on a background of DAPI staining to pin-point cell nuclei, are informative and support our conclusions.

      (2) Have the authors considered using AngioTool to quantify the number of vessels in Figure 5b-c?

      AngioToolTM was used to quantify the vessels, as we have used previously (PMID: 33462113) and this is now added to the methods and legend of Figure 2.

      Reviewer #3 (Recommendations for the authors):

      There are several areas where the manuscript can be improved, such that its conclusions can be solidified.

      (1) The authors highlight a point where blocking Phd2 can enhance survival of cardiac tissue, but did not report on survival markers. They surmised that apoptosis could be decreased in Phd2 mutant or Molidustat treatment but did not show this. The authors should determine if apoptosis is decreased in the myocardium and epicardium.

      We show evidence of increased levels of healthy myocardium in the genetic and pharmacological models of stabilised HIF-signalling. We exclude increased cardiac hypertrophy or increased cardiomyocyte proliferation as causative, so suggest as a reasonable alternative enhanced survival, albeit this need not necessarily be via an apoptotic pathway given the incidence of necrotic cell death during MI. We are unable to generate new surgeries and mutant/treated heart samples to analyse for apoptotic markers at this stage.

      (2) There appears to be no difference in cardiomyocyte proliferation in Molidustat-treated animals, but the experiment was only performed on 2 to 3 animals. This is too small a sample size to conclude from these results. The authors should increase the sample size to make this assertion.

      We respectfully disagree that we are unable to conclude no effect on cardiomyocyte proliferation. We analysed multiple heart regions per section, for EdU+/cTnT+ colocalised signals across several sections per heart, set against a consistency of effect on other parameters in hearts treated with Molidustat. We are unable to generate more P7 heart surgeries +/- Molidustat and +/- EdU at this stage.

      (3) It is curious as to how, after myocardial infarction, the fibrotic scar tissue is decreased in the Phd2 deletion but not as profound in Molidustat-treated mice at d21. Can the authors speculate why the difference exists and how this decrease arises? For example, are there decreased pro-inflammatory signals in Phd2 deleted mice? Is there decreased collagen deposition and ECM gene expression? Do macrophage recruitment into the infarct zone differ between mutant/treated vs WT?

      The representative images in Figure 6k reveal a trend towards reduced fibrosis with Molidistat treatment (Figure 6l), but across all hearts analysed this was not as significant as observed in the epicardial-specific deletion injured hearts (Figure 5g, h). This may be due to the relatively short half-life of Molidustat (approximately 4-10 hours, PMID: 32248614), the dosing regimen for the drug and/or the fact that it was not specifically delivered/targeted to the epicardium.

      (4) The magnified images in Figure 1 do not match the boxes in the whole heart images. It is unclear what the white boxes signify.

      The white boxes have been removed from Figure 1. The magnified image panels are from serial heart sections and this is now clarified in the Figure 1 legend.

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      List is very convenient for the programers. We can store as many number we want into the list. When we want to use the specific number inside the list, we can just state the location of that number in the list. Also, if you want to add more into the list, it is also flexible for programmers.

    1. 3I/Atlas距太阳约6.7亿公里,预计10月29日达到近日点,穿过火星轨道,12月7日经过地球

      如果3i/atlas利用太阳进行减速,而逐步的进入地球轨道。那就有戏看了!

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      I never took a tour of an actual castle, sounds fun actually.

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    1. Art. 12
      Ponto-Chave:

      O Art. 12 NÃO cria uma proteção maior para as APAs. Ele estabelece um critério de licenciamento mais RACIONAL e EFICIENTE para elas, tratando-as como uma exceção à regra geral das Unidades de Conservação (UCs).

      A Lógica em 3 Passos:
      1. A Regra Geral (Para a maioria das UCs): Normalmente, quem licencia uma atividade dentro de uma UC é o mesmo ente federativo que a criou (Ex: ICMBio/União licencia tudo em um Parque Nacional criado pela União).
      2. O Problema das APAs: APAs são enormes, habitadas e com muitas atividades econômicas. Aplicar a "regra geral" nelas seria um caos: o órgão que a criou (ex: IBAMA) teria que licenciar desde uma pequena reforma até um grande projeto, sobrecarregando-o com questões de impacto puramente local.
      3. A Solução do Art. 12: O artigo cancela a "regra geral" para as APAs. Em vez de perguntar "quem criou a APA?", ele manda perguntar: "Qual o tamanho do impacto da atividade?". Com isso, a competência dentro de uma APA segue as regras padrão da LC 140:
        • Impacto Local → Município (Art. 9º)
        • Impacto Regional/Estadual → Estado (Art. 8º)
        • Impacto Nacional/Federal → União (Art. 7º)

      Art. 7º. São ações administrativas da União: - a) localizados ou desenvolvidos conjuntamente no Brasil e em país limítrofe;

      • b) localizados ou desenvolvidos no mar territorial, na plataforma continental ou na zona econômica exclusiva;

      [...]

      • e) localizados ou desenvolvidos em 2 (dois) ou mais Estados;

      • f) de caráter militar, excetuando-se do licenciamento ambiental, nos termos de ato do Poder Executivo, aqueles previstos no preparo e emprego das Forças Armadas, conforme disposto na Lei Complementar no 97, de 9 de junho de 1999;

      [...]

      • h) que atendam tipologia estabelecida por ato do Poder Executivo, a partir de proposição da Comissão Tripartite Nacional, assegurada a participação de um membro do Conselho Nacional do Meio Ambiente (Conama), e considerados os critérios de porte, potencial poluidor e natureza da atividade ou empreendimento;

      Art. 8º São ações administrativas dos Estados:

      • XIV - promover o licenciamento ambiental de atividades ou empreendimentos utilizadores de recursos ambientais, efetiva ou potencialmente poluidores ou capazes, sob qualquer forma, de causar degradação ambiental, ressalvado o disposto nos arts. 7o e 9o;

      Art. 9º São ações administrativas dos Municípios:

      XIV - observadas as atribuições dos demais entes federativos previstas nesta Lei Complementar, promover o licenciamento ambiental das atividades ou empreendimentos:

      • a) que causem ou possam causar impacto ambiental de âmbito local, conforme tipologia definida pelos respectivos Conselhos Estaduais de Meio Ambiente, considerados os critérios de porte, potencial poluidor e natureza da atividade; ou
    1. perdas e danos

      AGRAVO REGIMENTAL NO RECURSO ESPECIAL. AÇÃO INDENIZATÓRIA. DIREITO DE PREFERÊNCIA. AVERBAÇÃO DO CONTRATO NO REGISTRO IMOBILIÁRIO. PRESCINDIBILIDADE. - 1. Nos termos da jurisprudência desta Corte, a inobservância do direito de preferência do locatário na aquisição do imóvel enseja o pedido de perdas e danos, que <u>não se condiciona ao prévio registro do contrato de locação</u> na matrícula imobiliária. Precedentes. - 2. Agravo regimental não provido. (AgRg no REsp n. 1.356.049/RS, relator Ministro Ricardo Villas Bôas Cueva, Terceira Turma, julgado em 25/2/2014, DJe de 28/2/2014.)


      PROCESSUAL CIVIL. NEGATIVA DE PRESTAÇÃO JURISDICIONAL. NÃO OCORRÊNCIA. CIVIL. LOCAÇÃO. DIREITO DE PREFERÊNCIA. EFEITOS OBRIGACIONAL E REAL. PLEITO INDENIZATÓRIO E DE ADJUDICAÇÃO COMPULSÓRIA DO IMÓVEL. CONTRATO DE LOCAÇÃO NÃO AVERBADO NO CARTÓRIO DE REGISTRO DE IMÓVEIS POR FALHA DO LOCADOR. IRRELEVÂNCIA. INEXISTÊNCIA DE DIREITO DE REAVER O BEM. MANUTENÇÃO DO ARESTO RECORRIDO. - 1. Afasta-se a alegada negativa de prestação jurisdicional quando o acórdão recorrido, integrado por julgado proferido em embargos de declaração, dirime, de forma expressa, congruente e motivada, as questões suscitadas nas razões recursais. - 2. O art. 27 da Lei n. 8.245/91 prevê os requisitos para que o direito de preferência seja exercido pelo inquilino que tenha interesse em adquirir o imóvel locado em igualdade de condições com terceiros, sendo certo que, em caso de inobservância de tal regramento pelo locador, poderá o locatário fazer jus a indenização caso comprove que tinha condições de comprar o bem nas mesmas condições que o adquirente. - 3. Além dos efeitos de natureza obrigacional correspondentes ao direito a perdas e danos, o desrespeito à preempção do locatário pode ter eficácia real consubstanciada no direito de adjudicação compulsória do bem, uma vez observados os ditames do art. 33 da Lei do Inquilinato. - 4. O direito real à adjudicação do bem somente será exercitável se o locatário a) efetuar o depósito do preço do bem e das demais despesas de transferência de propriedade do imóvel; b) formular referido pleito no prazo de 6 (seis) meses do registro do contrato de compra e venda do imóvel locado adquirido por terceiros; c) promover a averbação do contrato de locação assinado por duas testemunhas na matrícula do bem no cartório de registro de imóveis, pelo menos 30 (trinta) dias antes de referida alienação. - 5. Impõe-se a obrigação legal de averbar o contrato de locação para possibilitar a geração de efeito erga omnes no tocante à intenção do locatário de fazer valer seu direito de preferência e tutelar os interesse de terceiros na aquisição do bem imóvel. - 6. Ainda que obstada a averbação do contrato de locação por falha imputável ao locador, não estaria assegurado o direito à adjudicação compulsória do bem se o terceiro adquirente de boa-fé não foi cientificado da existência de referida avença quando da lavratura da escritura de compra e venda do imóvel no cartório de registro de imóveis. - 7. Recurso especial conhecido e desprovido.

      (REsp n. 1.554.437/SP, relator Ministro João Otávio de Noronha, Terceira Turma, julgado em 2/6/2016, DJe de 7/6/2016.)

    1. For supervised fine-tuning on small-to-medium-sized instruction-tuning and reasoning datasets, LoRA performs the same as full fine-tuning. For datasets that exceed LoRA capacity, LoRA underperforms FullFT. Rather than the loss reaching a distinct floor that it can’t go below, LoRA results in worse training efficiency that depends on the relationship between model capacity to dataset size. In some scenarios, LoRA is less tolerant of large batch sizes than full fine-tuning — it pays a larger penalty in loss as batch size increases beyond some point. This penalty is not mitigated by increasing the LoRA rank; it is a property of the product-of-matrices parametrization, which has different training dynamics than optimizing the original weight matrix. Even in small data settings, LoRA performs better when applied to all weight matrices, especially MLP and MoE layers. Attention-only LoRA underperforms even when we match the number of trainable parameters by using higher rank for attention-only LoRA. LoRA performs equivalently to FullFT for reinforcement learning even with small ranks. We find that RL requires very low capacity, a result we anticipated based on information-theoretical arguments.

      For 2. The fact that training efficiency is worse seems to indicate that we somehow keep on refining the combination of components that we encode to better fit the dataset, but still have the fundamental limitation of not enough directions. For 3, this is not quite understood or explained well, only the throwaway line regarding the product of matrices with no explanation

    2. The total number of multiply-adds is 2N2+6NR2N^2 + 6NR2N2+6NR. With R≪NR \ll NR≪N, this is slightly more than 23\frac{2}{3}32​ of 3N23N^23N2. If we plotted LoRA performance over FLOPsThis analysis omits FLOPs used for attention, which could be significant in long-context settings. instead of training steps, it would show a clear advantage over FullFT.

      Even beyond the memory and adapter benefits, we have also computational benefits in training

    1. Summarize each page in 10 words or LESS.

      Page 1: Day after move, found something in place Stone called garage.

      Page 2: Previous Owner, dead under table, child didn't want to move.

      Page 3: Dirty, trash filled garage; refused task, child scolded by mother.

      Page 4: Yelled out to not go into unsafe garage until checked.

      Page 5: In unfinished garden eating sand which; missing home.

      Page 6: Investigating dirty basement; found man that seemed dead that talked.

      Page 7: His father reminded him no entering the basement, because safety.

    1. Chapter 1: Michael moves to a new house, finds a strange man.

      Chapter 2: Michael worries, brings food to the weak man secretly.

      Chapter 3: Man eats food, speaks oddly, Michael feels responsible and curious.

    2. pages 1-3: Michael found a mysterious, filthy creature in the abandoned garage. in the new house. a sick baby. and worried parents. pages 4-7: Michael tried to enter the garage, but his mother shouted while being very stressed, worried about the baby, and Michael felt alone. pages 8-11: House renovations stopped. Michael felt lonely, missing his old friends. Michael went back. The strange man sat behind the chests.

    3. page 1 Boy finds mysterious creature in garage after family’s house move.

      page 2 Boy explores filthy collapsing garage hears noises interrupted by mom

      page 3 Michael explores filthy garage finds strange man alive inside.

    1. Chapter 1 - Michael moves to a new house, finds a strange man.

      Chapter 2 - Michael worries, brings food to the weak man secretly

      Chapter 3 - Man eats food, speaks oddly, Michael feels responsible and curious