https://www.reddit.com/user/Paddy48ob/

• signed a post as "Pat (OBC)" obstensibly for Obsidian Book Club via https://www.reddit.com/r/antinet/comments/13m2j5b/comment/jkzhedk/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

• also mentions being a 20 year user of TheBrain at https://www.reddit.com/r/antinet/comments/101st9c/comment/j2qfh5d/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

An Inside Look into Obsidian Book Club

Several nice mentions of me throughout...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Skeptical_Environmentalist

tangentially mentioned in the Dan Allosso Book Club 2023-04-29

Raworth, Kate. Doughnut Economics: Seven Ways to Think Like a 21st-Century Economist. White River Junction, Vermont: Chelsea Green Publishing, 2017.

https://minnstate.pressbooks.pub/ushistory1/

<small><cite class='h-cite via'>ᔥ <span class='p-author h-card'>Dan Allosso</span> in Welcome to US History & Primary Source Anthology, vol. 1 (<time class='dt-published'>08/21/2022 14:41:00</time>)</cite></small>

My Current OER Project by Dan Allosso

Labour Exchange - Encyclopedia

Encyclopedia Britannica 1911

Graeber, David. Pirate Enlightenment, or the Real Libertalia. New York: Farrar, Straus and Giroux, 2023.

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Blair, Ann M. Too Much to Know: Managing Scholarly Information before the Modern Age. Yale University Press, 2010, https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300165395/too-much-know.

ISBN: 978-0-300-11251-1 (cloth) Library of Congress Control Number: 2010024663

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Paul, Annie Murphy. The Extended Mind: The Power of Thinking Outside the Brain. Houghton Mifflin Harcourt, 2021, https://www.hmhbooks.com/shop/books/The-Extended-Mind/9780544947580.

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Graeber, David & Wengrow, David. The Dawn of Everything: A New History of Humanity, McClelland & Stewart, 2021.

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Ahrens, Sönke. How to Take Smart Notes: One Simple Technique to Boost Writing, Learning and Thinking – for Students, Academics and Nonfiction Book Writers. Create Space, 2017.

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Scheper, Scott. Antinet Zettelkasten: A Knowledge System That Will Turn You Into a Prolific Reader, Researcher and Writer. Greenlamp, LLC, 2022.

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Rank, Mark Robert, Lawrence M. Eppard, and Heather E. Bullock. Poorly Understood: What America Gets Wrong About Poverty. Oxford University Press, 2021.

Reading as part of Dan Allosso's Book Club

Mostly finished last week, though I managed to miss the last book club meeting for family reasons, but finished out the last few pages tonight.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uofRqJvc7Lo

https://vimeo.com/showcase/9704917

Vimeo collection of Dan Alloso's work with respect to his book How to Make Notes and Write.

https://www.buymeacoffee.com/MakingHistory

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhH1BOdLKq4

linked notes:<br /> https://docdrop.org/video/LhH1BOdLKq4/

US History and Primary Source Anthology, volume 1<br /> https://minnstate.pressbooks.pub/ushistory1/

https://beta.scrintal.com/b/peppermint-kings--8gm31

https://youtu.be/ILuSxUYYjMs

Luhmann zettelkasten origin myth at 165 second mark

A short outline of several numbering schemes (essentially all decimal in nature) for zettelkasten including: - Luhmann's numbering - Bob Doto - Scott Scheper - Dan Allosso - Forrest Perry

A little light on the "why", though it does get location as a primary focus. Misses the idea of density and branching. Touches on but broadly misses the arbitrariness of using the comma, period, or slash which functions primarily for readability.

Thanks for this! I like the framing and general concept of the book.

It seems like its a good follow on to Dan Allosso's OER text How to Make Notes and Write https://minnstate.pressbooks.pub/write/ or Sönke Ahrens' How to Take Smart Notes https://amzn.to/3DwJVMz which includes some useful psychology and mental health perspective.

Other similar examples are Umberto Eco's How to Write a Thesis (MIT, 2015) or Gerald Weinberg's The Fieldstone Method https://amzn.to/3DCf6GA These may be some of what we're all missing.

I'm reminded of Mark Robertson's (@calhistorian) discussion of modeling his note taking practice and output in his classroom using Roam Research. https://hyp.is/QuB5NDa0Ee28hUP7ExvFuw/thatsthenorm.com/mark-robertson-history-socratic-dialogue/ Perhaps we need more of this?

Early examples of this sort of note taking can also be seen in the religious studies space with Melanchthon's handbook on commonplaces or Jonathan Edwards' Miscellanies, though missing are the process from notes to writings. https://www.logos.com/grow/jonathan-edwards-organizational-genius/

Other examples of these practices in the wild include @andy_matuschak's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGcs4tyey18 and TheNonPoet's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sdp0jo2Fe4 Though it may be better for students to see this in areas in which they're interested.

Hypothes.is as a potential means of modeling and allowing students to directly "see" this sort of work as it progresses using public/semi-public annotations may be helpful. Then one can separately model re-arranging them and writing a paper. https://web.hypothes.is/

Reply to: https://twitter.com/BenjaminVanDyne/status/1571171086171095042

Joseph Harris' text Rewriting: How to do things with texts (2006) sounds like a solid follow on text to the ideas found in Sönke Ahrens (2017) or Dan Allosso (2022).

Allosso, Dan, and S. F. Allosso. How to Make Notes and Write. Minnesota State Pressbooks, 2022. https://minnstate.pressbooks.pub/write/.

Annotatable .pdf copy for Hypothes.is: https://docdrop.org/pdf/How-to-Make-Notes-and-Write---Allosso-Dan-jzdq8.pdf/

Nota Bene:

These annotations are of a an early pre-release draft of the text. One ought to download the most recent revised/final/official draft at https://minnstate.pressbooks.pub/write/.

Allosso, Dan, and S. F. Allosso. How to Make Notes and Write. Minnesota State Pressbooks, 2022. https://minnstate.pressbooks.pub/write/.

Videos of Dan reading the book if you prefer audio format:

Introduction: https://vimeo.com/733674146

Chapter 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UOHIU6-w6A

Chapter 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn6Iar4FYhk

Chapter 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACSyullMgZg

Allosso, Dan. US History and Primary Source Anthology, Vol. 1. 2 vols. Minnesota State Pressbooks, 2022. https://minnstate.pressbooks.pub/ushistory1/

https://danallosso.substack.com/p/welcome-to-us-history-and-primary

Fascinating!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y07l5AsWEUs

I really love something about the phrase "get them [ideas] into a form that students can work with them". There's a nice idea of play and coming to an understanding that I get from it. More teachers should frame their work like this.

https://www.becktench.com/blog/2018/11/12/using-zettelkasten-and-tinderbox-to-document-a-literature-review

I was reminded of this via Dan Allosso's mention of it in https://vimeo.com/729407073. Tench's mention of it in the Tinderbox space was what brought him to the idea of zettelkasten in his own work.

For those curious about the idea of what students might do with the notes and annotations they're making in the margins of their texts using Hypothes.is, I would submit that Dan Allosso's OER handbook How to Make Notes and Write (Minnesota State Pressbooks, 2022) may be a very useful place to turn. https://minnstate.pressbooks.pub/write/

It provides some concrete advice on the topic of once you've highlighted and annotated various texts for a course, how might you then turn your new understanding, ideas, and extant thinking work into a blogpost, essay, term paper or thesis.

For a similar, but alternative take, the book How to Take Smart Notes: One Simple Technique to Boost Writing, Learning and Thinking by Sönke Ahrens (Create Space, 2017) may also be helpful as well. This text however requires purchase via Amazon and doesn't carry the Creative Commons Attribution NonCommercial ShareAlike (by-nc-sa 4.0) license that Dr. Allosso's does.

In addition to the online copy of the book, there's an annotatable .pdf copy available here: http://docdrop.org/pdf/How-to-Make-Notes-and-Write---Allosso-Dan-jzdq8.pdf/ though one can download .epub and .pdf copies directly from the Pressbooks site.

This distinguishing factor is a more useful one than those in other systems.

Compare this with the idea of Beatrice Webb's "analytic notes" versus "synthetic notes" or "scientific notes" which she describes in My Apprentice (1926).

see: - https://hypothes.is/a/Fb3Y4Au1Ee2p_sdveWOJKw - https://hypothes.is/a/WGPrOAoOEe2WJV9yx2SVZg - https://hypothes.is/a/2gdRwgoMEe2mdccJDX6zTw

Web considers "analytic note taking" to be the raw data collection and arrangement (in the same vein of creating databases in the computer science space, which didn't exist when she did her work) upon which historical work is based.

She views "synthetic notes" as observations of behaviours and writings which probably more closely resembles the idea of "literature notes" (Ahrens) or "source notes" (Allosso). Some of the difference is that she's viewing her notes as a tool for her particular work (sociology) rather than as a broader enterprise which might be used in all fields.

Webb's synthetic notes are also likely bound up in her idea of Herbert Spencer's "synthetic philosophy" of thinking, which may require some more reading of these sections on my part to better distinguish her specific meaning.

Webb didn't seem to have a version of "permanent notes" in her conceptualization. Perhaps this is an indication that the evolution of the note really only occurred as it was placed into published writing. This may potentially preclude the reuse of the evolved ideas unless they are separately re-subsumed into one's note collection.

Ahrens' conceptualization of the zettelkasten has all the writing, revision, and evolution work occurring in the slip box itself so it's always available and reusable. Many modern note taking and writing systems would seem to elide this part. (Is this true in practice? Can we provide examples?)

This welcome point is not often seen in the broader literature on this subject! Thanks Dan!

https://danallosso.substack.com/p/note-cards?s=r

Outline of one of Dan's experiments writing a handbook about reading, thinking, and writing. He's taking a zettelkasten-like approach, but doing it as a stand-alone project with little indexing and crosslinking of ideas or creating card addresses.

This sounds more akin to the processes of Vladimir Nabokov and Ryan Holiday/Robert Greene.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G60o31ay_D0

Maintaining multiple blogs or websites for each topic one is interested in can be exhausting.

Example: Dan Allosso indicates that he's gotten overwhelmed at keeping things "everywhere" rather than in one place. (~4:40)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-icwOk8YFk

It's interesting to see the differences between the bookclubs in this visualization of their related notes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdtLlnho1dI

https://danallosso.substack.com/p/new-obsidian-piketty-book-club?s=r

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsRFTd1MndM

Synoptic Obsidian Book Club

Tentative Schedule beginning on Saturday, March 26, 2022

Week 1

Paul: Introduction and Part 1 Blair: Chapter 1

Week 2

Paul:Part 2 Blair:Chapter 2

Week 3

Paul: Part 3 Blair: Chapter 3

Week 4

Paul: Conclusion Blair: Chapter 4

Week 5

Paul: Any overflow from before?? Blair: Chapter 5

Week 6

(just in case we go over a bit???)

Paul: Blair:

Looks like the schedule in the Vault has changed to starting April 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1N02UyrTQJo&t=2s

Email Dan Allosso danallosso at icloud (dot) com

• name
• email address
• location / timezone
• permission to release vault contributions and participation in video
• date/time preferences
• suggestions regarding other pieces

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19_QNqBQ6LE

https://danallosso.substack.com/p/end-of-book-club-and-whats-next

I could be all in on Debt: The First 5000 years!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ydqjJiQ4zs

Dan Allosso looks at the graph view of his Obsidian vault in an attempt to clean up orphaned notes and connect them into his larger knowledge base.

He uses a clever Kuiper belt comet analogy to describe bringing these notes into his his solar system.

https://danallosso.substack.com/p/three-basic-elements-of-taking-notes

Allosso outlines a bit about how he dovetails Research Rabbit (discovery), Obsidian (writing, linking), and Zotero (citations, reading).

An example of someone taking notes in public to model the process. Also an example of the time it takes to make notes.

Has Dan Allosso (@danallosso) done something along these lines as an example on his YouTube channel?